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Lincoln Chafee? (Original Post) gwheezie Apr 2015 OP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trickster_gods delrem Apr 2015 #1
he is probably running to debate the issues , probably doesn't think he has a serious JI7 Apr 2015 #2
Well, he should be running as a Republican. FFS! delrem Apr 2015 #3
he is mostly a liberal including among most democrats JI7 Apr 2015 #4
0/100 progressive score. joshcryer Apr 2015 #8
Pro Choice, pro marriage equality, pro gun control, anti drill, anti tax cuts for the wealthy... ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #16
He has always struck me as a genuinely decent man REP Apr 2015 #28
So, you have no problem with his privatizing social security? leftofcool Apr 2015 #29
Outside of a stance he took in 2004, he is closer to what I believe in that anyone who voted for ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #34
why? He hasn't been a republican for years. And when he was he voted against the IWR cali Apr 2015 #6
Would it be that Hillary Clinton got the same level of defense. joshcryer Apr 2015 #7
Nobody sober would seriously suggest that Hillary Clinton was a Republican. delrem Apr 2015 #10
You know shit is fucked when Lincoln Chafee is defended... joshcryer Apr 2015 #11
He's been praised here for years and years. cali Apr 2015 #19
+1. n/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2015 #37
I have never bought into the crap that Hillary was a repub. But Chafee voted against the IWR cali Apr 2015 #13
Oh for fucks sake, HE LEGISLATED AS A REPUBLICAN! delrem Apr 2015 #9
I voted for Jim Jeffords when he was a republican- as did the vast majority of Vermont liberals cali Apr 2015 #20
He voted for DOMA. As did every last one of his fellow Republicans and most Democrats. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #25
I think it's the "anyone but Hillary" effect. MineralMan Apr 2015 #32
That was back when repukes, at least in New England, walked upright. KamaAina Apr 2015 #30
When he was a R back when there were still some good ones most of us expected him to vote with jwirr Apr 2015 #21
I didn't see it coming Kalidurga Apr 2015 #5
My question exactly. MineralMan Apr 2015 #12
he is not a republican and I have long praised him here on DU. cali Apr 2015 #14
Last week, I was talking to another DUer about where Chafee was, so I'm thrilled with this news. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #17
You will do as you choose. MineralMan Apr 2015 #18
Hillary voted with the Republicans. Will you support her? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #22
Joe Biden. Or did you mean John Kerry? Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #24
So who's your candidate? Elizabeth Warren? KamaAina Apr 2015 #31
I have no candidate for President in 2016. MineralMan Apr 2015 #33
He ain't going no where! Privatizing social security will not win you votes! B Calm Apr 2015 #15
+ one more. leftofcool Apr 2015 #27
His voting against the bloodbath in Iraq puts him a big step ahead of another candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #23
... bananas Apr 2015 #26
If we accept Chomsky's premise that President Obama ... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #35
Regardless of how he stands on the issues he was a poor governor. hack89 Apr 2015 #36
Cooking in another room while listening to Chafee, I liked him and forgot he was a republican! TheNutcracker Apr 2015 #38
Thanks, but NO! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #39

JI7

(89,249 posts)
2. he is probably running to debate the issues , probably doesn't think he has a serious
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:58 AM
Apr 2015

chance of winning.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
8. 0/100 progressive score.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:08 AM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure where this is coming from. If he's a liberal then Elizabeth Warren is a conservative if you go by the record.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
16. Pro Choice, pro marriage equality, pro gun control, anti drill, anti tax cuts for the wealthy...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:06 AM
Apr 2015

...voted against IWR, anti death penalty.

I'm freaking thrilled, and he is (as of yet) the only candidate I would go back to knocking on doors for.

He was more progressive than most Dems when he was in the senate, and I'd be proud to back him.

REP

(21,691 posts)
28. He has always struck me as a genuinely decent man
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

He seems to be a very old school Republican (government shouldn't regulate the private lives of the people) and he seems to actually believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
34. Outside of a stance he took in 2004, he is closer to what I believe in that anyone who voted for
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

IWR, is anti gun control (or apathetic), had to be dragged to marriage equality, is pro death penalty, is willing to trade off environmental issues, is willing to let women's reproductive rights be a bargaining chip...

Hell yeah, and then I'll hold his feet to the fire for that stance. Because that's what you do.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. why? He hasn't been a republican for years. And when he was he voted against the IWR
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:58 AM
Apr 2015

supported affirmative action and abortion rights, etc.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
7. Would it be that Hillary Clinton got the same level of defense.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:02 AM
Apr 2015

Being a lifelong democrat (since she was old enough to vote) and being a great supporter of social rights (including affirmative action, abortion rights, climate change, womens equality).

delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. Nobody sober would seriously suggest that Hillary Clinton was a Republican.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:18 AM
Apr 2015

Hillary Clinton is Democratic.

There are differences of opinion about what it means, of course, but to suggest otherwise is absurd.

Not so about this other person.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
11. You know shit is fucked when Lincoln Chafee is defended...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:51 AM
Apr 2015

...by self-professed posters who will never vote for Hillary Clinton edit: nevermind she clarified here.

The dude is a dyed in wool Blue Dog. It's amusing how low the bar is for Anyone But Hillary. It cracks me the fuck up.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. He's been praised here for years and years.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:22 AM
Apr 2015

and at least he's not a fool who voted for the IWR and then defended that vote for years. And yeah, you had to be a fool or an opportunist to vote for it.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. I have never bought into the crap that Hillary was a repub. But Chafee voted against the IWR
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:03 AM
Apr 2015

Hillary is a hawk.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
9. Oh for fucks sake, HE LEGISLATED AS A REPUBLICAN!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:10 AM
Apr 2015

What more evidence is needed, for Dems to distinguish?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. I voted for Jim Jeffords when he was a republican- as did the vast majority of Vermont liberals
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:24 AM
Apr 2015

His voting record is way more liberal than most Senate dems.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. He voted for DOMA. As did every last one of his fellow Republicans and most Democrats.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:06 PM
Apr 2015

He sure did not break away from the pack on that. So of course those who come pushing him as uber gay friendly always leave out DOMA. From Vermont, only Independent Bernie Sanders in the House voted against it. Boxer, Feinstein, Wyden, all no votes. Russ Feingold was a no vote.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
32. I think it's the "anyone but Hillary" effect.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:16 PM
Apr 2015

The only thing they can point to is the IRW vote. That's it.

I am not a single-issue voter. Never have been. But I've never voted for a Republican.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. When he was a R back when there were still some good ones most of us expected him to vote with
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

us. Today he is a Democrat by definition even without changing parties.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
12. My question exactly.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:57 AM
Apr 2015

And there are DUers already defending him. He's a freaking Republican. No, thanks. He hasn't a prayer.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. he is not a republican and I have long praised him here on DU.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:04 AM
Apr 2015

Not a trick question: Which one voted for the atrocious IWR?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
17. Last week, I was talking to another DUer about where Chafee was, so I'm thrilled with this news.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

It goes beyond IWR and on to being pro gun control, pro choice, pro marriage equality (and he wasn't even forced into it)... I could go on.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
18. You will do as you choose.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:20 AM
Apr 2015

I will not support anyone who has voted with the Republicans. Not a chance. You will do as you choose.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
22. Hillary voted with the Republicans. Will you support her?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

See IWR vote for an example of voting with the Republicans.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. Joe Biden. Or did you mean John Kerry?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:54 AM
Apr 2015

Pretending that all those years of Republican policy which lead to that IWR vote are wiped away by his voting no is delusional. Like Warren, he was a Republican during the first Gulf War who continued to vote for Republicans named George Bush for years on end. That also counts for something. He's in his 60's, always been a Republican.
I've never voted for a Republican.
I have on the other hand already voted for 3 different IWR yes voters at the executive level. One assumes you have as well.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
33. I have no candidate for President in 2016.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

After the convention, I will have a candidate. Only then.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
35. If we accept Chomsky's premise that President Obama ...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015

If we accept Chomsky's premise that President Obama "would have been a moderate Republican in the 80s" what does that make a moderate Republican in the first decade of the twenty first century?

Somewhere to the right of Calvin Coolidge?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
36. Regardless of how he stands on the issues he was a poor governor.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:19 PM
Apr 2015

He won one term as an Independent, became a Democrat and decided not to run for a second term because of abysmal approval ratings. We can do better.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
38. Cooking in another room while listening to Chafee, I liked him and forgot he was a republican!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:34 PM
Apr 2015

He's a real alternative for the republicans, even they don't want another Bush.

If Chafee beat Hillary in a primary and won, I wouldn't be scared shitless.

I want to know where he stands on Soc. Sec. and Medicare.

We DO know who he feels about war.

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