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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:04 AM Apr 2015

Martin O'Malley

Last edited Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Looks like the announcement may be very soon. From an email I just received I realize he's looking for donations here but I still like the message. Though not really thrilled with the "In God we trust. " part but they're all going to go there.

Email from O'Malley:

During my travels to Iowa last week, and New Hampshire the week before, I was amazed by the activists I met, and humbled by the enthusiastic crowds that greeted me at every stop.

Repeatedly, voters told me that they want an open and frank conversation about the future of our party and our country. One of the many great things about the people of Iowa and New Hampshire is that they take seriously and personally their responsibility to vet anyone offering themselves for higher office.

Here is a short video so you can see first hand what I am seeing on the ground.




There are moments in our history when new leadership is needed to move our country forward. This is one of them.

I am encouraged and look forward to the road ahead.

Martin O'Malley

His website
http://martinomalley.com/

Unlike Republicans, he secured his name as a domain
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Martin O'Malley (Original Post) marym625 Apr 2015 OP
running for (Vice) President... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #1
no. marym625 Apr 2015 #2
How do you know Sanders will not? mylye2222 Apr 2015 #4
I don't. marym625 Apr 2015 #14
Yes he is.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #5
NO BUSH NO CLINTON! snooper2 Apr 2015 #8
LOL!! Dawgs Apr 2015 #16
Sorry marym625 Apr 2015 #17
Not on that site you haven't! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #44
I didn't say only on that site. marym625 Apr 2015 #47
Proof please! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #49
wow! marym625 Apr 2015 #59
VoteMatch's methodology is a joke. progressoid Apr 2015 #37
ain't it though! marym625 Apr 2015 #76
Beware of "On The Issues"-- it's filled with lies. Look at this lie, no way it can be true. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #10
Thank you. You can't be pro-war, which she is, and be anywhere left of moderate in that chart. Dawgs Apr 2015 #13
No she isn't....that is Hogwash! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #45
Rubbish written by one person with an agenda and bias NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #67
Nope wrong...not written by one person! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #73
Sorry. One Person: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #88
Nope...you do know that only one person can have a domain name registered to them right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #89
And oh yes...THESE are all stupid people... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #90
The charts, they are way stoopid. They call HRC a "Hard-Core Liberal". Now tell me, really... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #91
Just because YOU do not like the charts do not mean they are wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #92
The only reason she "got it wrong" was because she expected it to go quick and easy. Dawgs Apr 2015 #71
says who? YOU??? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #43
Happily NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #62
To Warren. "President Warren". Damn, that sounds good. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #6
I really don't think she will run marym625 Apr 2015 #19
You don't really think she will run??? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #46
What exactly is your problem? marym625 Apr 2015 #58
It really does! nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #104
pretty fundamental that he is not cali Apr 2015 #18
Ridiculous theory! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #48
lol. it's a standard political calculation rarely deviated from. cali Apr 2015 #54
Maryland is not quite the Northeast KamaAina Apr 2015 #70
Politically it is. Adrahil Apr 2015 #105
By that logic Bill Clinton would never have picked Al Gore Jim Lane Apr 2015 #87
The difference between Clinton/Gore and Sanders/Warren Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #95
The last four elections go against your theory. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #108
Delaware was technically a Southern state Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #109
Running for President. Now it's getting more interesting. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #55
Anyone know O'Malley's position on Wars without End for Profits without Cease? Octafish Apr 2015 #3
Why? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #7
Because war is good for warmongers, not Democrats. Octafish Apr 2015 #11
What Democratic Warmongers are you speaking of exactly? Do you have any evidence to support VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #12
Carlyle Group shows bipartisan revolving door between Wall Street on the Potomac and War Inc. Octafish Apr 2015 #21
these are opinion pieces....where is the evidence? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #22
No opinion at all. Facts show who started Carlyle Group. What contracts they have with Feds, etc. Octafish Apr 2015 #24
Facts about what exactly? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #50
Yes, and the fact private banks make big money off their connections in Washington and Wall Street. Octafish Apr 2015 #57
absolutely wonderful information you are sharing marym625 Apr 2015 #75
Your ubiquitous little chart is just an opinion. djean111 Apr 2015 #52
The New American? Bob Adelmann? NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #98
Thanks. Did not know that. I'll stop using that article. Octafish Apr 2015 #103
How DARE you want to discuss anyone besides the anointed one!!!! jeff47 Apr 2015 #15
heehee! marym625 Apr 2015 #20
If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, great. Until then, I'll back the Democrat(s) I like. Octafish Apr 2015 #23
..... merrily Apr 2015 #28
The money has corrupted politics, like what Gen. Doolittle said we'd need do to fight commies... Octafish Apr 2015 #64
You mean you back who 75% of Democrats support? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #51
75-percent in your head? Not one vote has been cast. Octafish Apr 2015 #63
and after all the marym625 Apr 2015 #74
O'Malley/DuFresne 2016: TASTE OBLIVION NuclearDem Apr 2015 #9
My first choice right now too JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #25
Any one who can play banjo can't be all bad. Octafish Apr 2015 #26
Bill played the Sax JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #27
He also promised campaign finance reform. Octafish Apr 2015 #31
I don't regret my vote JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #56
yep. marym625 Apr 2015 #96
True Dat! FrodosPet Apr 2015 #34
If you don't mind, please share who is second, either on the board or via pm. merrily Apr 2015 #30
Because you don't think they'll run? marym625 Apr 2015 #33
Warren isn't running JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #53
yep marym625 Apr 2015 #60
Me too! JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #61
I don't think Warren will endorse Clinton marym625 Apr 2015 #66
In God We Trust. Didn't Dems remove this at convention? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #29
Thank Moon it's not The Family. Octafish Apr 2015 #32
Oh I completely forgot about this marym625 Apr 2015 #36
They did? marym625 Apr 2015 #35
It would be dumb, if true. Octafish Apr 2015 #38
But would they care if the god stuff just wasn't mentioned? marym625 Apr 2015 #40
I've joined both O'Pac and Bernie's Pac and am waiting to see how things shake out. mmonk Apr 2015 #39
As much as I hate the nearly constant campaign marym625 Apr 2015 #41
Me too. mmonk Apr 2015 #42
Anyone but Clinton Crowd Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #65
oy vey! marym625 Apr 2015 #68
I'm not 'anyone but Clinton' and am very interested in O'Malley.. one_voice Apr 2015 #83
+1000 marym625 Apr 2015 #97
I'm very interested in O'Malley... one_voice Apr 2015 #69
Same here! marym625 Apr 2015 #72
I liked this from his site Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #77
Cool! marym625 Apr 2015 #79
I've only had a few issues with him. bravenak Apr 2015 #78
I think Sanders is the only one I would support besides O'Malley. marym625 Apr 2015 #80
Me too. bravenak Apr 2015 #82
Oh sure you are. We agree on pretty much everything marym625 Apr 2015 #85
True!! bravenak Apr 2015 #86
I like this guy! nt Stellar Apr 2015 #81
Oh good! marym625 Apr 2015 #84
He sings, plays the guitar, has an Irish band .... what's not to like? kwassa Apr 2015 #93
There ya go! marym625 Apr 2015 #94
R#26 & K n/t UTUSN Apr 2015 #99
Thank you marym625 Apr 2015 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author fadedrose Apr 2015 #101
I must apologize marym625 Apr 2015 #102
No apologies needed.... fadedrose Apr 2015 #106
No, I fixed the op after your reply marym625 Apr 2015 #107

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. no.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

No no no no no no no.
.
I think he has a shot. And, with the assumption that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders don't run, I like O'Malley the best, so far

marym625

(17,997 posts)
17. Sorry
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

Until they actually take one of these themselves they're not at all useful. I have seen both Hillary and President Obama all over the place on these things

marym625

(17,997 posts)
47. I didn't say only on that site.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:16 PM
Apr 2015

Doesn't change the fact of what has been shown on many different sites.

Until the people take the time to fill these out themselves, it's nothing but conjecture.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
59. wow!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:34 PM
Apr 2015

You have some issues and I really wish you would work them out elsewhere.

There is already proof on this thread. If that's not enough for you, too bad

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. Beware of "On The Issues"-- it's filled with lies. Look at this lie, no way it can be true.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:16 AM
Apr 2015

A person can't vote for wars and support offshoring of jobs and wall street and get a rating like this:

It's fucking bullshit but get used to a LOT of spam and cuts and pastes from the site and this wretched lying graphic:




On the Issues is a hack personal site, not at all scientifically conducted, consisting mostly of quotes (in Hillary's case) which really end up being meaningless when contrasted with voting record.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
13. Thank you. You can't be pro-war, which she is, and be anywhere left of moderate in that chart.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:22 AM
Apr 2015

It's just a fact.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
45. No she isn't....that is Hogwash!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:14 PM
Apr 2015

Supported decision to target Osama bin Laden. (Sep 2013)
Would have never diverted attention from Afghanistan. (Jan 2008)
After 9/11:Those helping terrorists would feel “wrath” of US. (Jun 2007)
1960s conversion to liberalism based on opposing Vietnam. (Jun 2007)
At Wellesley in ‘68, steered anti-war movement within system. (Jun 2007)
I have seen firsthand terrorists’ terrible damage. (Jun 2007)
Ok to target Al Qaeda in Pakistan; we did that 10 years ago. (Jan 2006)
Strategizing about Pakistan destabilizes a nuclear power. (Aug 2007)
Iran

Policy of prevention, not containment, on Iranian nukes. (Jan 2013)
Trust but verify Iran: goal is diplomacy & open inspections. (Jan 2013)
Massive retaliation from US if Iran attacks Israel. (Apr 2008)
Continue diplomatic engagement with Iran. (Dec 2007)
Believed, with others, that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapon. (Dec 2007)
Pledge that Iran will not develop a nuclear bomb. (Oct 2007)
Rushing to war with Iran vs. doing nothing is a false choice. (Oct 2007)
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard promotes terrorism. (Sep 2007)
Prevent Iran from becoming nuclear power by diplomacy first. (Sep 2007)
Rule out nukes against Iran. (Aug 2007)
Iran having a nuclear weapon is absolutely unacceptable. (Jun 2007)
Iraq War

I got it wrong on 2002 Iraq War vote. (Jun 2014)
OpEd: Iraq war follows tradition of active US leadership. (Jun 2012)
OpEd: 2003 Iraq vote unmistakably authorized war. (Nov 2010)
2007: Avoided war apology to avoid "flip-flopper" label. (Jan 2010)
2007: Opposed funding Iraq War; no escalation. (Aug 2009)
2002: Saddam gave aid to Al Qaeda terrorists. (Oct 2008)
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have. (Feb 2008)
Some tactical success in Iraq, but no strategic success yet. (Feb 2008)
Leaving 130,000 troops in Iraq is irresponsible abdication. (Jan 2008)
Have nearly all combat troops out in a year. (Jan 2008)
Voted against precedent of US subordinate to UN in Iraq. (Jan 2008)
Iraq war authorization was not authority for preemption. (Jan 2008)
Told by the White House how the war resolution would be used. (Jan 2008)
Withdrawing troops is dangerous, including 100,000 civilians. (Jan 2008)
No military solution in Iraq; this debate motivates solution. (Jan 2008)
Called war on terror “Bush’s war” but has played active role. (Nov 2007)
2002: Accepted connection between Saddam & Al Qaeda. (Nov 2007)
Leave combat troops in Iraq only for conterterrorism. (Sep 2007)
Pentagon calls her unpatriotic for asking about exit plan. (Jul 2007)
Bush misused authorization for war. (Jun 2007)
The Iraq war is Bush’s war. (Jun 2007)
Iraq war wouldn’t have happened had the inspectors been sent. (Jun 2007)
It was a mistake to trust Bush on his judgment to wage war. (Jun 2007)
This war is up to Iraqi people to win or lose, not the US. (Apr 2007)
No permanent bases, but continuing residual force in Iraq. (Apr 2007)
Takes responsibility for Iraq war vote, but not a mistake. (Feb 2007)
OpEd: Voting for war enabled criticizing how it was waged. (Oct 2005)
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N. (Feb 2004)
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it. (Feb 2004)
Middle East

Not helping Free Syrian Army left vacuum for ISIS to fill. (Aug 2014)
Don't demand complete moratorium on Israeli settlement. (Jun 2014)
2012: We helped Syrian rebels, but we should have done more. (Jun 2014)
Invested in Israel: negotiate a ceasefire in Gaza. (Jun 2014)
I wanted to arm Syrian rebels, along with regional partners. (Jun 2014)
Obama rejected her 2012 plan to arm the Syrian rebels. (Aug 2013)
Clinton-Gates combo won push for Afghan surge. (Jun 2012)
Supports border security fence in Israel. (Oct 2006)
Cut off US aid if Palestine declares a state unilaterally. (Oct 2000)
Focuses on increasing relationship between US and Israel. (Oct 2000)
Support Israel in finding a safe and secure peace. (May 2000)
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese. (Nov 1999)
Russia

Putin's annexing Crimea plays outdated zero-sum game. (Jun 2014)
Putin wants to reassert Russia's dominance in its own areas. (Jun 2014)
Contain Russia or Putin will expand beyond Crimea. (Apr 2014)
Voting Record

Iraq war vote was meant to be used as coercive diplomacy. (Jan 2008)
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US. (Jan 2008)
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not. (Apr 2007)
Critic of Iraq war, but won’t recant 2002 vote in its favor. (Nov 2006)
Regrets Bush’s handling of war, but not her war vote. (Oct 2006)
Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq. (Jan 2007)
Deploy UN multinational peacekeeping force in Darfur. (Jul 2007)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
73. Nope wrong...not written by one person!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:01 PM
Apr 2015

Issues2000.org Staff
Dr. Naomi Lichtenberg, President & CEO
MA Columbia University, PhD Indiana University
Jesse Gordon, content manager & technical manager
MPP Harvard University
Cathy D. Wanzo, content editor, Senate races
MPA Harvard University
Dr. Catherine A. Womack, content editor, Vice Presidential races
MA, Univ. of S.C.; PhD, MIT
Paul Hrabal, VoteMatch manager
Proprietor of GoVote.com
Jan Innes & Lisa Thomas, graphic designers
Matthew Handlemam & Vlad Koval, technical staff
Volunteer Staff
Jeff Rushing, GOP candidates
Alan K. Jansen, Libertarian Party candidates
Dr. Travis Kidd, Constitution Party candidates
Paul Wilson, Natural Law Party candidates
Tony Santini, Green Party candidates


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
88. Sorry. One Person:
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:21 PM
Apr 2015
http://whois.domaintools.com/issues2000.org

http://whois.domaintools.com/ontheissues.org

Dr. Naomi Lichtenberg is the head, of course she has help but she alone makes the decisions.

There is no peer review, she can select whichever positions, votes, comments she wishes to make anyone look good or bad.

It would NEVER be allowed as a source for even a middle school essay.

It's an advocacy website, unreliable.

I think Naomi is a nutcase.

The charts are way stoopid.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
89. Nope...you do know that only one person can have a domain name registered to them right?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:44 PM
Apr 2015

Epic Fail!

That name as the owner of the domain of a website that she is CEO doesn't prove its a one person operation....LMMFAO!!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
90. And oh yes...THESE are all stupid people...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

Issues2000.org Staff
Dr. Naomi Lichtenberg, President & CEO
MA Columbia University, PhD Indiana University
Jesse Gordon, content manager & technical manager
MPP Harvard University
Cathy D. Wanzo, content editor, Senate races
MPA Harvard University
Dr. Catherine A. Womack, content editor, Vice Presidential races
MA, Univ. of S.C.; PhD, MIT
Paul Hrabal, VoteMatch manager
Proprietor of GoVote.com
Jan Innes & Lisa Thomas, graphic designers
Matthew Handlemam & Vlad Koval, technical staff
Volunteer Staff
Jeff Rushing, GOP candidates
Alan K. Jansen, Libertarian Party candidates
Dr. Travis Kidd, Constitution Party candidates
Paul Wilson, Natural Law Party candidates
Tony Santini, Green Party candidates



(not to mention so active it has been in existence for 15 yrs!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
91. The charts, they are way stoopid. They call HRC a "Hard-Core Liberal". Now tell me, really...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:52 PM
Apr 2015

...even you don't believe THAT, now do you?



Clinton:


Warren:



THEY USE THE EXACT SAME IMAGE FOR BOTH WOMEN!



 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
92. Just because YOU do not like the charts do not mean they are wrong....
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:56 PM
Apr 2015

Uh perhaps they have the same results?



Try reading WHY they reached the results depicted by the charts.....there's a start.


Oh and here is Barack Obama's.....

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
71. The only reason she "got it wrong" was because she expected it to go quick and easy.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

Everyone knows she did it for her future presidential run.

That's almost worse than being pro-war.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
58. What exactly is your problem?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:33 PM
Apr 2015

We were asked to post for our candidates. I did.

I don't believe she will run. I think that's pretty clear. Sorry you can't seem to decipher it. Or that I didn't just respond to someone else with what you say. I will certainly keep you in mind any time I answer someone in the future so as not to hurt your delicate sensibilities

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. pretty fundamental that he is not
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

there is no way Clinton will pick a white male from the Northeast. It makes no sense.

He knows that.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
105. Politically it is.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:48 AM
Apr 2015

Generally pretty liberal (despite the recent election), reliably blue in the Presidential election. But I spent most of my life in Southern Maryland, so I know it definitely has a certain element in it, politically, if you know what I mean.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
87. By that logic Bill Clinton would never have picked Al Gore
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 07:01 PM
Apr 2015

They were white Protestant males from adjoining states.

O'Malley is a male Catholic with executive experience in city and state government. Those characteristics are all complementary to Hillary.

Maryland is generally considered a border state and it's not all that close to New York -- plus which, Clinton isn't strongly identified with New York in many people's minds anyway, given that she moved there fairly late in life and only to run for Senator.

If Clinton wins the nomination but O'Malley has made a good impression on the campaign trail and shown some electoral strength, and -- the biggest uncertainty -- if the contest between the two has been cordial and nonconfrontational, then I think he'd be on the short list.

I personally am hoping for a campaign that is confrontational. I'm hoping O'Malley channels his inner Sa ders/Warren and mounts a frankly ideological campaign. In this scenario, he criticizes Clinton as being too conservative on a range of issues. By doing so he reduces the likelihood of being her VP but increases the likelihood that he mobilizes progressive discontent within the party and pulls off the upset to head the ticket.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
95. The difference between Clinton/Gore and Sanders/Warren
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:13 PM
Apr 2015

Is that the Northeast would support the Democrats regardless, but a Democratic ticket of two Southerners would pick up a few Southern states (like Arkansas) that would otherwise have gone into the Red column. However, two Northeastern Democrats on the same ticket would have a tougher time with electoral votes (as much as I would love to see a Sanders/Warren or Warren/Sanders ticket).

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
108. The last four elections go against your theory.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:42 PM
Apr 2015

The Democrats won twice with an Illinois-Delaware ticket. Before that, the Republicans won twice (won in the sense of gaining the White House) with a Texas-Texas ticket, masquerading as a Texas-Wyoming ticket to fraudulently circumvent the Constitution. In each case, the two candidates on the ticket were from states that party would almost certainly carry anyway.

In 2004, Kerry picked Edwards but still couldn't carry North Carolina (or any other Southern state).

I don't know how much geography is a factor. If Kerry had instead picked Congressmember Ted Strickland, would he thereby have carried Ohio and become President? Maybe. If Charlie Crist had won his election last year, he might be an appealing VP choice for any Democratic nominee because he could help deliver a swing state. With Crist out of the picture, maybe Tim Kaine or Mark Warner would be the "geography" choice, for help in Virginia (although probably not a good choice if O'Malley is the nominee). Julian Castro has been mentioned but his appeal would be in mobilizing Hispanics nationally, not in making Texas competitive

If you're negative about O'Malley as a Clinton running mate because of geography, are there any names that strike you as more plausible?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
109. Delaware was technically a Southern state
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:16 AM
Apr 2015

But like Maryland, it was a slave state that stayed in the Union (and for probably for the same reason-- the threat of Federal intervention if it seceded).

And while Obama was a Senator from Illinois, he was also originally from Hawaii. Clinton and Gore were originally from Arkansas and Tennessee, respectively. And their first election was in 1992, when things were a little different from the situation today.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Anyone know O'Malley's position on Wars without End for Profits without Cease?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:09 AM
Apr 2015

I'm interested in learning if he's in favor of cutting the Pentagon contractors' share of our grandkids' future.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
12. What Democratic Warmongers are you speaking of exactly? Do you have any evidence to support
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:19 AM
Apr 2015

your contention?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Carlyle Group shows bipartisan revolving door between Wall Street on the Potomac and War Inc.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:28 AM
Apr 2015




The Knights of the Revolving Door

When War is Swell: the Carlyle Group and the Middle East at War

by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition September 6-8, 2013

Paris.

A couple of weeks ago, in a dress rehearsal for her next presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton, the doyenne of humanitarian interventionism, made a pit-stop at the Carlyle Group to brief former luminaries of the imperial war rooms about her shoot-first-don’t-ask-questions foreign policy.

For those of you who have put the playbill of the Bush administration into a time capsule and buried it beneath the compost bin, the Carlyle Group is essentially a hedge fund for war-making and high tech espionage. They are the people who brought you the Iraq war and all those intrusive niceties of Homeland Security. Call them the Knights of the Revolving Door, many of Carlyle’s executives and investors having spent decades in the Pentagon, the CIA or the State Department, before cashing in for more lucrative careers as war profiteers. They are now licking their chops at the prospect for an all-out war against Syria, no doubt hoping that the conflagration will soon spread to Lebanon, Jordan and, the big prize, Iran.

For a refresher course on the sprawling tentacles of the Carlyle Group, here’s an essay that first appeared in CounterPunch’s print edition in 2004. Sadly, not much has changed in the intervening years, except these feted souls have gotten much, much richer. – JSC


Across all fronts, Bush’s war deteriorates with stunning rapidity. The death count of American soldiers killed in Iraq will soon top 1000, with no end in sight. The members of the handpicked Iraqi Governor Council are being knocked off one after another. Once loyal Shia clerics, like Ayatollah Sistani, are now telling the administration to pull out or face a nationalist insurgency. The trail of culpability for the abuse, torture and murder of Iraqi detainees seems to lead inexorably into the office of Donald Rumsfeld. The war for Iraqi oil has ended up driving the price of crude oil through the roof. Even Kurdish leaders, brutalized by the Ba’athists for decades, are now saying Iraq was a safer place under their nemesis Saddam Hussein. Like Medea whacking her own kids, the US turned on its own creation, Ahmed Chalabi, raiding his Baghdad compound and fingering him as an agent of the ayatollahs of Iran. And on and on it goes.

Still not all of the president’s men are in a despairing mood. Amid the wreckage, there remain opportunities for profit and plunder. Halliburton and Bechtel’s triumphs in Iraq have been chewed over for months. Less well chronicled is the profiteering of the Carlyle Group, a company with ties that extend directly into the Oval Office itself.

Even Pappy Bush stands in line to profit handsomely from his son’s war making. The former president is on retainer with the Carlyle Group, the largest privately held defense contractor in the nation. Carlyle is run by Frank Carlucci, who served as the National Security advisor and Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Carlucci has his own embeds in the current Bush administration. At Princeton, his college roommate was Donald Rumsfeld. They’ve remained close friends and business associates ever since. When you have friends like this, you don’t need to hire lobbyists..

Bush Sr. serves as a kind of global emissary for Carlyle. The ex-president doesn’t negotiate arms deals; he simply opens the door for them, a kind of high level meet-and-greet. His special area of influence is the Middle East, primarily Saudi Arabia, where the Bush family has extensive business and political ties. According to an account in the Washington Post, Bush Sr. earns around $500,000 for each speech he makes on Carlyle’s behalf.

One of the Saudi investors lured to Carlyle by Bush was the BinLaden Group, the construction conglomerate owned by the family of Osama bin Laden. According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal, Bush convinced Shafiq Bin Laden, Osama’s half brother, to sink $2 million of BinLaden Group money into Carlyle’s accounts. In a pr move, the Carlyle group cut its ties to the BinLaden Group in October 2001.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/06/when-war-is-swell-the-carlyle-group-and-the-middle-east-at-war/



For some reason, many on "the left" at CounterPunch, like the super-scribes at the New York Times, have failed to make clear Carlyle Group's connection to the NSA spying scandal: They OWN it.



Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann
The New American; June 13, 2013

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden. By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever. When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter. But there wasn't much butter: After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

Unwittingly, the Post authors exposed the real reason for the jump in profitability: close ties and interconnected relationships between top people at Carlyle and BAH, and the agencies with which they are working. The authors quoted George Price, an equity analyst at BB&T Capital: "[Booz Allen has] got a great brand, they've focused over time on hiring top people, including bringing on people who have a lot of senior government experience." (Emphasis added.)

For instance, James Clapper had a stint at BAH before becoming the current Director of National Intelligence; George Little consulted with BAH before taking a position at the Central Intelligence Agency; John McConnell, now vice chairman at BAH, was director of the National Security Agency (NSA) in the ‘90s before moving up to director of national intelligence in 2007; Todd Park began his career with BAH and now serves as the country's chief technology officer; James Woolsey, currently a senior vice president at BAH, served in the past as director of the Central Intelligence Agency; and so on.

BAH has had more than a little problem with self-dealing and conflicts of interest over the years. For instance in 2006 the European Commission asked the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Privacy International (PI) to investigate BAH’s involvement with President George Bush’s SWIFT surveillance program, which was viewed by that administration as “just another tool” in its so-called “War on Terror.” The only problem is that it was illegal, as it violated U.S., Belgian, and European privacy laws. BAH was right in the middle of it. According to the ACLU/PI report,

Though Booz Allen’s role is to verify that the access to the SWIFT data is not abused, its relationship with the U.S. Government calls its objectivity significantly into question. (Emphasis added.)

Among Booz Allen’s senior consulting staff are several former members of the intelligence community, including a former Director of the CIA and a former director of the NSA.


As noted by Barry Steinhardt, an ACLU director, “It’s bad enough that the [Bush] administration is trying to hold out a private company as a substitute for genuine checks and balances on its surveillance activities. But of all companies to perform audits on a secret surveillance program, it would be difficult to find one less objective and more intertwined with the U.S. government security establishment.” (Emphasis added.)

CONTINUED w Links n Privatized INTEL...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group



Are you interested in discussion or are you just trying to get me angry so I tell you where to go so you can hit Alert, VanillaRhapsody?
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
22. these are opinion pieces....where is the evidence?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:28 AM
Apr 2015

And you can tell me where to go...it will be someone else that will alert on you!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. No opinion at all. Facts show who started Carlyle Group. What contracts they have with Feds, etc.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:32 AM
Apr 2015

Here's a documentary, for those who think reading is a chore:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/iron-triangle-the-carlyle-group-2/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
57. Yes, and the fact private banks make big money off their connections in Washington and Wall Street.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

From war. Take the PNAC crowd, please.



Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.

SNIP...

Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.

CONTINUED...

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/Neocons_and_Liberals_Together_Again



That's from Rightweb. They're full of facts, for those who take the time to read and learn. One name to pay attention to is Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, who is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
75. absolutely wonderful information you are sharing
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:23 PM
Apr 2015

Thank you very much.

Don't think you are wasting your time because I and others will/are reading it. But yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
52. Your ubiquitous little chart is just an opinion.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

No matter how very many times you post it. Other people are entitled to their opinions.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
98. The New American? Bob Adelmann?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015
In addition to political topics, The New American also publishes articles about economics (from a free-enterprise perspective of course!), culture, and history. It is published by American Opinion Publishing, a wholly owned subsidiary of The John Birch Society.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/about


Bob Adelmann is a right-wing nut — that includes being a birther and a climate change denier — as well as a member of the John Birch Society — who has written fascinating articles such as:

And in his own words:
I became a Chapter leader and then a Section leader overseeing, in our heyday, about seven local chapters. They asked me to help out with a JBS Summer Youth Camp, indoctrinating young people with all manner of conservative philosophy, love of country, understanding the Constitution, learning how free markets work, blowing the lid off Social Security, why the Second Amendment is in second place just behind the First, and all sorts of things that just drive liberals crazy.

http://lightfromtheright.com/meet-bob-adelmann/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
103. Thanks. Did not know that. I'll stop using that article.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

Carlyle Group spawned many identical monsters. Just-ex Government big wigs and their cronies use inside information gleaned from their future employees working in government to see where the wars are and are going to be.



Below, where he literally belongs, Richard "PNAC Pearl Harbor" Perle and his $10 million pitch to Adnan "Iran-Contra and Selection 2000 Fixer-Upper" Khashoggi, please:



Lunch With The Chairman

by Seymour Hersh
The New Yorker March 17, 2003

EXCERPT...

The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay, include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the country’s strategic defense policies.

Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

The letter mentioned the firm’s government connections prominently: “Three of Trireme’s Management Group members currently advise the U.S. Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and one of Trireme’s principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board.” The two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a member of Trireme’s advisory group and is not involved in its management), and Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perle’s who handles matters in Trireme’s New York office. The letter said that forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair.

Perle served as a foreign-policy adviser in George W. Bush’s Presidential campaign—he had been an Assistant Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan—but he chose not to take a senior position in the Administration. In mid-2001, however, he accepted an offer from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to chair the Defense Policy Board, a then obscure group that had been created by the Defense Department in 1985. Its members (there are around thirty of them) may be outside the government, but they have access to classified information and to senior policymakers, and give advice not only on strategic policy but also on such matters as weapons procurement. Most of the board’s proceedings are confidential.

As chairman of the board, Perle is considered to be a special government employee and therefore subject to a federal Code of Conduct. Those rules bar a special employee from participating in an official capacity in any matter in which he has a financial interest. “One of the general rules is that you don’t take advantage of your federal position to help yourself financially in any way,” a former government attorney who helped formulate the Code of Conduct told me. The point, the attorney added, is to “protect government processes from actual or apparent conflicts.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/03/17/030317fa_fact?currentPage=all



PS: I won't edit that post so others can see what you're writing about. Thank you for pointing out his affiliations, NYC Liberal.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, great. Until then, I'll back the Democrat(s) I like.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

Can't believe the heaping outrage over acting like a democrat, you know, interested in finding and nominating the best candidate and actually VOTING for him or her.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. The money has corrupted politics, like what Gen. Doolittle said we'd need do to fight commies...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015
"It is now clear that we are facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination by whatever means and at whatever costs. There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto acceptable norms of human conduct do not apply. If the US is to survive, longstanding American concepts of 'fair play' must be reconsidered. We must develop effective espionage and counterespionage services and must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated means than those used against us. It may become necessary that the American people be made acquainted with, understand and support this fundamentally repugnant philosophy." -- https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol36no3/html/v36i3a05p_0001.htm


And now THAT has blown back to corrupt the national soul with wars for profit on innocent people and countries.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
63. 75-percent in your head? Not one vote has been cast.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

I'm in Michigan. The primary here is sometime in 2016. Remind me to report the results to you.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
74. and after all the
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:02 PM
Apr 2015

Please just support your candidate and leave Hillary alone.

Yep, all discourse is just those that don't support Hillary being mean.

Sigh.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. He also promised campaign finance reform.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:19 AM
Apr 2015

Instead, he deregulated Wall Street and the New Deal protections with Senate republian now UBS vice chairman, Phil Gramm.

Wealth Management, they call it now days:

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

JustAnotherGen

(31,907 posts)
56. I don't regret my vote
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

He was pretty much the only white guy in power on my side in America in 1994.

Somone has to lose and someone has to win. Simple message/lesson learned from Croquet.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
96. yep.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:19 PM
Apr 2015

He is obviously not alone but he is sure part of why the banks and corporations own the country

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. If you don't mind, please share who is second, either on the board or via pm.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:12 AM
Apr 2015

I promise no comment, good, bad or indifferent.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
33. Because you don't think they'll run?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

Or because you don't care for them?

Until we have more information about who will run, I'm obviously with you on O'Malley

Nice to see you!

JustAnotherGen

(31,907 posts)
53. Warren isn't running
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:25 PM
Apr 2015

She's been very clear about that.

Sanders hasn't declared - but he'd have to Declare as a D to get my attention.

It's not a matter of 'don't care' for them . . .


I'll focus on the positives - in looking at (Biden - but he's not running ) O'Malley, Webb, and Clinton have VERY long records as Democratic Party members and I can see how each has evolved.

I'm not a Green, a Democratic Socialist and I've never been a Republican. I certainly wasn't one in the early 1990's when I came of age to vote and saw the Republican party blame every ill in society on young women that looked like me.

So sometimes there just "ain't no takesy backsey".

marym625

(17,997 posts)
60. yep
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015

On Warren and Sanders.

I liked Biden a great deal a while ago. I am not sure I think he can win though.

I just wish they would announce already! The ones that are going to I mean. Obviously

JustAnotherGen

(31,907 posts)
61. Me too!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:43 PM
Apr 2015

And I agree 100% with O'Malley -

Nothing.

I mean NOTHING is inevitable . . . but he should have added with the exception of death. It's the great equalizer.

And the fact that he said it out loud - tells me he thinks he can beat her.

Not everyone loves an under dog - but I certainly do.


Go ahead and let Warren endorse Clinton.

I've got a feeling Sanders won't be.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
66. I don't think Warren will endorse Clinton
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

Too much conflict with what Warren is all about.

I suspect Sanders won't either.

I love a good underdog!

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. It would be dumb, if true.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:44 AM
Apr 2015

For instance, 48-percent of Catholics consider themselves Democrats or lean-Democratic as opposed to 33-percent of Catholics who consider themselves Republicon or lean-Repukish.

http://religions.pewforum.org/portraits

marym625

(17,997 posts)
40. But would they care if the god stuff just wasn't mentioned?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:56 AM
Apr 2015

I know that my irish Catholic family wouldn't.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
41. As much as I hate the nearly constant campaign
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:57 AM
Apr 2015

It sure seems to be getting close to the wire. I wish they would just announce already

Evergreen Emerald

(13,070 posts)
65. Anyone but Clinton Crowd
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:53 PM
Apr 2015

In looking at the differences between he and Clinton...I see that he has zero foreign policy experience. Less experience in governing. His top corporate donors include lobbyists and finance, insurance and real estate... And Clinton is more liberal in her stances on the issues both social and economic.

So, "anyone but Clinton" crowd might be happy with less experience, less liberalism, less knowledge of foreign policy, less knowledge of governing.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
83. I'm not 'anyone but Clinton' and am very interested in O'Malley..
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:38 PM
Apr 2015

I would like to see him toss his hat into the race.

Nothing wrong with seeing who's on our team & hearing from different players. How is that 'anyone but Clinton'?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
80. I think Sanders is the only one I would support besides O'Malley.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015

At least of those we suspect might run.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
93. He sings, plays the guitar, has an Irish band .... what's not to like?
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:06 PM
Apr 2015

been my governor for eight years.

With his band, O'Malley's March.

Response to marym625 (Original post)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
102. I must apologize
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:21 PM
Apr 2015

I didn't make it clear where the email from O'Malley started in the OP. I just fixed it. Those are his words, not mine.

However, if he does declare, and I decide to volunteer for him and not Duckworth, I will share everything

Thank you for your reply. My apologies again

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
106. No apologies needed....
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:27 AM
Apr 2015

I deleted my OP to hide my stupidity. You did make yourself clear, but it was wishful thinking that distorted your message, not your words..

Love and good luck with the volunteering. I'm too old to go, but my man got in in 2008, still there, and I can't find anyone who could close to taking his place....will give your O'Malley another look.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
107. No, I fixed the op after your reply
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:02 AM
Apr 2015

It wasn't very clear. So thank you.

We are going to have to elect someone else. Those are the rules

You're never too old. But I understand that!

Thank you! Very sweet post

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