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(38,501 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Not me...
I am a grown up and understand the differences.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)that should put the DU 'claim to be a democrat but never support one' crowd into perspective.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Since then between the Mark Levine story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026500202
and that video of hers and the unbelievable support of gay and minority communities, I can admit I am excited to work for her
RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)As a democratic socialist who would love to see Bernie as president, i will accept reality
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)think he has a chance.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)And choose your words carefully...
RealityAdvocate
(106 posts)I want a liberal progressive; she is neither. I don't believe her rhetoric is genuine, merely convenient.
Careful enough for you?
William769
(55,124 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)but should she win the nomination I'll be voting for her (and trust me I don't like her that much). Either her or another Bush in the White House and you know what happened last time.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's fun to pretend we know how others arrived at a conclusion. Petulant and churlish, but quite fun...
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I know exactly, EXACTLY what you mean. Yesterday I felt
utterly indifferent. Today.. not so much.
I confess I am being easily influenced.. not sure what to
think.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again?detail=email
Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)And then vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever she may be...
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)A lot of us, however, would prefer to have a choice, someone to the left of Hillary. Hillary is too cozy with Wall Street and the likes of Henry "Chilean Coup" Kissinger and was too eager to carry the bucket for Bush's war, and her husband is way too cozy with the Bushes and has campaigned against at least one liberal Democratic candidate.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Talk is cheap
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)You know damn well that I would have an ice cube's chance of coming anywhere near the presidency. But I have every right to express my displeasure at what I see as a deterioration of the principles of the Democratic Party that I joined in the '70s, and every right to express my support for a Democratic candidate who better reflects those principles.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Nothing is stopping anyone from running.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)See...cheap. Didn't cost me nuthin'.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I already have a candidate, the next president.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)QED ....
arikara
(5,562 posts)And why are they using a 20+ year old photo of her on that logo at the top of this thread?
That's a bit ageist.
I'm sure not joining any cheerleading squad for her.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If they did they wouldn't they be banned right away?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)They said they'd vote for Bush over Clinton. They were banned. Good riddance to garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=164856&sub=trans
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)could be more. I'm not on MIRT...so I don't know.
They were a long term member...been here since 2005, over 8,000 posts. They trolled pretty well.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)the dem.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Being displeased that Clinton has been anointed by the party doesn't mean support for the fascists of the GOP.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)There are more. I've seen them scuttling about.
msongs
(67,193 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)while Goldman-Sachs coerces us out of another trillion. She is all up into the neocons, they love her hawkish foreign policy.
Clinton vs. Bush has the Powers That Be snickering "Win-Win".
Let's try a real progressive.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)our government? Don't you feel that those responsible should be held accountable? Of course you don't. Maybe hold Republcons accountable but not Democrats. It's cool if it's your authoritarian that is responsible. Situation ethics.
Do you get a gold star every time you use that rude emoticon?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Appeal to emotion, straw people a'plenty.
Learn to make a coherent argument yourself before dissing "emotions" (sic) that communicate better than yourself. btw I blame Nader for all those dead Iraqis. Him and his buddy Cheney.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of H. Clinton. Funny how you can pick and choose who was responsible. Seems your differentiation doesn't go beyond whether a person is a D or R.
Why would we choose someone that betrayed the party and high-fived Cheney after the I-War vote?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Wow.
Good day.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)are so short. If you want to defeat Bush, nominate a real progressive. One that won't sell out her party and invade Iraq.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Republicons and some turncoat Democrats lied to the American people and ended up murdering 1,000,000 people, mostly innocent plus untold other damage. They all need to be held accountable.
emulatorloo
(43,979 posts)Wes Clark has described them, how detailed they were, down to showing exactly where the WMD's were stored.
This was Bush/Cheney's war
Kerry stood up and admitted the vote was wrong and apologized for it. Since then he's done a hell of a job as SOS, avoiding war w Iran
In the meantime, Bush/Cheney/Rove are still boasting about the Iraq war.
And Bush III has employed all the PNAC crowd as his foreign policy advisors.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But Democrats were not fooled by the lies. They are way smarter than that. No, they chose to bow down before Bush/Cheney and give them the authority to destroy Iraq. The consequences are so sever that those that "made the mistake" need to be held accountable.
By the way, the PNAC neocons have a soft spot for hawkish H. Clinton.
arikara
(5,562 posts)the millions who took to the streets worldwide in protest knew it was bs, and we didn't have as much information as they did.
They were a bunch of self serving complicit cowards who voted yes because thought all that oil was a good idea, or they followed their marching orders, or so they would appear to be getting some sort of revenge for 911 and were stupid enough to believe the PNAC lies.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)your attempt to bring everything and anything to sum total of the Iraq war is pretty narrow and unrealistic in the big picture....replace your constant and single minded chatter on "Iraq" with "Benghazi" and you may finally understand why you sound much more RW than you'd like.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Some are in total denial of the consequences of the decision to allow Bush/Cheney a free hand in destroying Iraq. All responsible should be held accountable. To "forgive" H. Clinton for such a huge mistake doesn't make sense. It's as if there are no other possible candidates. Who's to say she won't make the same mistake in the future? The Neocon hawks are rooting for her.
If you don't agree with my assessment of H. Clinton's responsibility, why don't you actually make a case in lieu of telling me I am "fucking hilarious"?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)may blance it all out.
nikto
(3,284 posts)I'm sure she'll be telling Janie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein what's what.
Right?
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)arely staircase
I guess that will blow a few fuses around.... And hopefully she will be the next US president to boot - that would do a lot of early graves for some of the hard-line Gop hopeful les if she was elected the next president of the United States...
But then again - she have a long way to go yet - before the election - and I am sure the GOP will do everything in their power, to damage her as best as they are able to do it.. Even if it means cheat, steal and do every bad trick in the book - and then some who still are not on the books...
Diclotician
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I listen to Nate Silver whether I like his conclusions or not. And yes. They will be vicious going after her. They will do that to whomever we nominate. She knows how to fight.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Her campaign is 1 day old and already peeps here are decrying her as not liberal and progressive enough. I call that prejudiced, judgmental, closed-mindedness. Do you think that you could maybe practice a little patience, a little wait-and-see and let her run her campaign to see what she says about various policies and issues?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)You think her wall street ties just started yesterday?
Go to the pumas group and get some talking points that are at least sensible
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Coming to a Koch funded, homophobe appeasing son of a Bush 3 near you soon.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)more than an a** stomping reference. But I'm cool with it.
No biggie.
Just trying to pass the time at work.
I figured my "rape reference" comment in my original reply would generate a few responses.
flamingdem
(39,303 posts)This will be somethin'!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Can't wait to see those spineless jellyfish teabaggers get their unamerican asses kicked coast to coast by Hillary!
They are scared shitless already!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I am ready to take the fight to the these a-holes. If the other side nominates Son of A Bush 3, even better.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...now to make it so
Orsino
(37,428 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)distraction. While we watch the Republicon train wreck, the Oligarchs are backing Democrats. It's a win-win if HRC runs against Jeb.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..before or after the Prayer Breakfast with the C-Street Republicans?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I guess it's all over except for the Secondary.
olddots
(10,237 posts)for not being as " hep " as you are .