Will you vote for Hillary, gun control advocate?

[jimmy the one]

Many democrat gun enthusiasts have admonished democrat politicians who support gun control, often saying or suggesting or implying that they would not vote for such a person if they were running in their own district. Or that democrat politicians and the democrat party are somewhat doomed for taking on gun control positions.
How does this rationale sit with election 2016 & Hillary Clinton? presuming Hillary is heiress presumptive to the democrat nomination, will her gun control stance affect your 2016 vote against a surely far more 'pro gun' republican nominee? (third party candidates, regrettably, deemed negligible for this poll, but use your discretion).

Some background: Hillary Clinton lashed out at opponents of gun control regulations, saying they hold a viewpoint that “terrorizes” the majority of Americans. “We cannot let a minority of people, and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people, hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” http://time.com/2891821/hillary-clinton-2016-gun-control/

lapierre-head: I vow on this day the NRA will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and good, honest decent Americans and we will stand and fight with everything we've got and in 2016, by God, we will elect the next great president of the United States of America and it will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton,” Mr LaPierre said.

As Hillary Clinton mulls running for president in 2016, she has been careful to shy away from broad, sweeping policy declarations. But not when she delivered harsh criticism of gun culture in America and denounced the idea that "anybody can have a gun, anywhere, at any time." Clinton didn't dispute Americans' right to own guns. But she said access to guns in the US had grown "way out of balance." "We've got to rein in what has become an almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime..".

Gun rights groups have long considered Mrs. Clinton their foe. Her 2000 Senate campaign centered on a push to keep guns off the streets, and she was a forceful advocate of creating a national gun registry.. as she faced off against Barack Obama in the Democratic primary, she positioned herself as more conservative than him on gun control. She backed off the proposal for a national registry..

As presumed Democrats here on the Democrat Underground, will you or won't you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016? .. expound upon your reasoning if you wish. I know it's an 'unscientific internet poll', just amongst ourselves, could be interesting.

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	I WILL vote for presumptive nominee Hillary, no matter what
	5 (33%)
	I WILL vote for Hillary, despite her gun control advocacy
	0 (0%)
	I will ABSTAIN from voting, due her gun control position
	0 (0%)
	I DON'T KNOW if I will vote for her or not, due gun control issue
	0 (0%)
	I will NOT vote for Hillary, due her gun control position
	1 (7%)
	I will NOT vote for Hillary, for other reasoning
	9 (60%)
	Prefer not to answer
	0 (0%)
	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[madokie]

1. I am a Democratic Party animal

and I WILL vote for the nominee even if its a yellow canine.

[darkangel218]

3. This is the reason why fake Dems as Hilarry still run.

Because people keep saying they will support her no matter how they feel about her, if she becomes the nominee.

We can do better than this.

[Cirque du So-What]

5. Umm...

That would make *you* the yellow dog by your inference that Hillary Clinton is the*blue* dog.

[OKNancy]

9. Me too. I believe that the Democratic party best represents my views

and I DO NOT believe all the bullshit about how Hillary is not a Democrat, or a blue dog, or other poo flung at her.

[DrKZ]

29. Belief is for religion and I am not going to believe in a candidate

I learn to dig deeply into issues and understand that despite the marketing involved in those who are running for President people have records even if those records are often obscured during primaries and the whole election season ... you ought to completely trust who you are voting for because of their long held positions on different issues ... you ought to analyze the positions deeply because there is often Orwellian languaging being used ...

What I am positive about from Clintons record is that she is both a neo-conservative and a neo-liberal ... her connections to Wall Street are problematic etc ...

[OKNancy]

34. I'm a pretty smart older woman, and no newbie

coming on DU is going to try to tell me how to think or what to believe.

DOn't bother responding.

[darkangel218]

2. I will never ever ever vote for Hillary. Not in a million years.

It has nothing to do with her position on "gun control". I just simply don't trust her as far as I can see.

[pintobean]

7. Why are you on DU, again?

"never"
"Not in a million years"

And if she is the nominee...

[darkangel218]

10. Why dont you ask other DUrs beside UnrepentedLiberal ,if they want my phone number,

Which I shared with you because you were consoling me and I trusted you, like an idiot, back in 2012/13???

Go ahead and publicise it. No need to ask specific posters if they want it anymore.

[pintobean]

14. Why are you on DU, again?

"never"
"Not in a million years"

And if she is the nominee...

I don't have your number. I never gave anyone your number. We were never friends, and I didn't console you, I advised you to delete a post that contained personal information.

[darkangel218]

16. Seriously???

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1025&pid=5554

Qukid (2,743 posts)
18. No. I wouldn't do that.

I replaced the digits with Xs, or something like that.
XXX-XXX-XXXX

I once jokingly offered it to UL. He wanted nothing to do with it.

Also, I was wrong about that. I replied with an asterisk, not a period. Everything else was accurate.
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[darkangel218]

23. You have my number and admitted to asking UnrepentedLiberal if he wants it.

Why are you lying???

Qukid (2,743 posts)
18. No. I wouldn't do that.

I replaced the digits with Xs, or something like that.
XXX-XXX-XXXX

I once jokingly offered it to UL. He wanted nothing to do with it.

Also, I was wrong about that. I replied with an asterisk, not a period. Everything else was accurate.
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[pintobean]

44. *

[darkangel218]

47. Yah, an *., Because you got caught in the lie.

Nice try denying it though.

[pintobean]

52. *

[darkangel218]

55. Lolol!!

What do you think "*"s are going to do? Lessen what you did, or the fact that you tried to lie about it?

[pintobean]

63. Point out my lie

you haven't posted anything to contradict what I posted.

You're bringing your DI drama over here because you're in time-out over there. I looked at your transparency page over there. All of your hidden posts are attacks on liberals. Funny that.

[pintobean]

68. 2 years ago, you told me you had changed it

so, you know damn well I don't have your number. Also, I deleted those emails, so I don't even have your old number. Not that I ever wanted the damn thing.

[darkangel218]

72. So why dont you just admit to what you did?

You had/have my (old) number. And you had no right to offer it ro someone else. Simple as that.

[pintobean]

88. I didn't alert on you

but I sure would like to see the jury results. Will you PM them to me?

[Kali]

71. it is DA drama

all the time

the whole situation is because YOU have boundary problems and sent a stranger on the internet your freaking phone number because they gave you some friendly advice to calm down when you were on one of your numerous and ever-continuing melt-downs.

stop blaming other people for YOUR idiotic actions.

[darkangel218]

74. Stay out of it, kali.

[MoonRiver]

75. Hey, wake up call, this isn't junior high.

You can't shout your way out of your histrionic dramatics.

[darkangel218]

77. Wake up call for you to mind your damn bussiness.

And stop following me around both here and on DI. It's ridiculous.

[MoonRiver]

78. You really do think way too highly of yourself.

Always stirring shit, then pretending that people who respond to your melodramatics are stalking you.

[Kali]

76. stop posting about it every chance you get

and you won't have the problem of everybody seeing how stupid you can act.

and like you mentioned elsewhere - I donate too, and can post anywhere I like.

[darkangel218]

80. Youre the one acting "stupid".

How many times have I followed you around attacking your job, your lifestyle, or your significant other??
You have issues, and I'm not qualified to help you. Out of the thousands of people both here and on DU you are the ONLY ONE following me around, and interjecting in my conversations with personal attacks.

[Kali]

83. yes, I send strangers my phone number and then whine about it every chance I get

I am constantly on time outs, have hundreds of self-deleted posts, probably an equal number of hidden ones, threaten to leave every few weeks, make outrageous claims about lifestyles and education, bad-mouth one site then the other, pick fights over dead conservatives and all manner of other silliness.

Yep, I am the one with "issues."

[Kali]

62. because she is on "time out" at DI

wow, she only has one hide here! that doesn't happen often, wonder how long it will last?

[darkangel218]

69. Im here because ive been a paying member for years and i have a right to be here.

Why are YOU here?

[Kali]

41. what a crock

beating that same old dead horse are you?

and we already know you aren't voting for Hillary since you said elsewhere you would vote for fucking Rand Paul over her. Some trolls get banned for that kind of shit.

ToS for election time is coming up. You might want to review:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose.But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day.Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

[Kali]

51. ...

egotistical much?

[darkangel218]

59. Go try to flamebait someone else.

I dont have time for you.

[Kali]

64. oh sorry

wouldn't want to interfere with the

[darkangel218]

66. Not sure,

Your time seem to start really early.

[Kali]

42. change the subject much?

what if she is the nominee?

[darkangel218]

48. We are not there yet.

Get back to me when she is ellected.

Toodles!

[MoonRiver]

49. Ooooo, that is so upsetting and important,

NOT. Sigh, some people just take themselves far too seriously.

[darkangel218]

50. Exactly my thought. nt

[MoonRiver]

53. Glad you have some self insight.

[darkangel218]

56. It aplies to everyone, not just me. Im not special.

[madokie]

87. I question your motives for being here then

She just may be our nominee and if she is I expect to see my fellow DU's to support her

You'd rather have a republiCON in the oval office than see Hillary win. MY MY

[bigwillq]

4. I will not be voting for Hillary (nt)

[leftofcool]

17. Will you be leaving DU if she is the nominee?

You will be missed. Many of your posts are insightful.

[bigwillq]

35. No.

I would have no issue with her being the nominee and winning. I just don't want to vote for her. So, I won't.

[okasha]

45. Do you have an issue with an all-Republican federal government?

President, Congress, judiciary?

I do, which is why I will vote for Hillary in the primaries: because she has the best chance to win in the general.

I also like her positions on issues. But stopping right-wing idiots from.wreaking permanent damage on land and people is an overriding priority.

[bigwillq]

58. My vote will not matter

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for the position of president. I live in CT, and the DEM nominee will win my state with or without my vote.
If I lived in a swing state, I would vote differently.

[NutmegYankee]

6. I may disagree with her on gun policies...

but I sure as hell agree with her a lot more on all the other things I care about. I myself would prefer Bernie Sanders' economic policies more, but Clinton is light years beyond the opposite side of the aisle.

[PowerToThePeople]

8. Ban all guns!

That is all I want.

[hack89]

20. You know that is presently impossible, don't you?

I am assuming you are thinking many many years down the road?

[99Forever]

11. I don't do pledges.

Especially over a year out.

[Hoyt]

12. She'll make a good Prez. Her stance against gun yahoos is a bonus.

[sufrommich]

13. I hope she will be a gun control advocate.

Someone needs to take on the NRA without cowering in fear.

[Quackers]

15. I really hope Hillary doesn't win the nomination, but if she does

I will willingly leave DU. I'm sorry but I can't support a republican with a D by her name.

[misterhighwasted]

18. Ok. Bye. Good luck finding that fantasy land where all your wishes come true.

Geez. This is getting laughable already.
Pout, stomp your feet and don't vote at all if you don't want to.
The Republicans in the clown car are your third choice.
Enjoy your day.

[Quackers]

21. Well hello Mr. Snarky!

[misterhighwasted]

33. HAAHA. No. Snark at all. You say you will leave, go ahead.

You have 3 choices if Hillary is the Dem candidate.
Hillary
Clown Car
No one.

Whomever you choose is your private decision.
So is leaving DU because you preferred someone else.

In fact I will speed up your pouty exit with an IGNORE.
Because I don't support anyone from the clown car & will do what I can to keep them from a 2016 win.

Do as you wish.
Snark is saying she is no different than what is riding in the clown car.
And you are wrong. But hey, you just may have the 3 above.choices or you could work to get another candidate.
You have that right.
Bye.

[Quackers]

43. Thanks for the ignore. Have a nice day!

[treestar]

27. Then all the people who support her are Republicans too

Yes, time to start the socialist Worker's party or join it.

[DrKZ]

30. I agree with you

[Quackers]

31. Not at all!

There are some very good people here who support Hillary. I don't. I think she will do more to hurt the party than help it. I just can't support her. That's why if she is the nominee, I will bow out of DU per the TOS.

[onehandle]

36. Oh noes!

Wait... Who are you?

And goodbye.

[Quackers]

40. Me? I'm just a registered voter. So basically no one of importance to Hillary.

And the goodbye is premature. Only IF Hillary gets the nomination will I leave. And I would leave due to respect of Skinner's TOS.

[hack89]

19. If eight years of Obama did not erode my gun rights

There is no reason to be concerned about eight years of Hillary.

[leftofcool]

22. Dems are not coming for your guns but repukes are damn sure coming for your Social Security

[TheKentuckian]

24. They are both coming for our Social Security, they just have different ideas on how

though some "bipartisan" agreements on methods of screwing us over.

[hack89]

32. That is why I am a Dem. nt

[pintobean]

25. I think gun control, pro or con, is pretty

far down on most peoples priority list - especially here.

[Electric Monk]

54. There's a paragraph from The New Yorker that I think really sums up the gun debate here on DU

and in America in general.

I like to re-post it every once in awhile, and this seems like a good time for it.

The underlying politics of gun control has always been the same: the majority of Americans agree that there should be limits and controls on the manufacture and sale and ownership of weapons intended only to kill en masse, while a small minority feels, with a fanatic passion, that there shouldn’t. In a process familiar to any student of society, the majority of people in favor of gun sanity care about a lot of other things, too, and think about them far more often; the gun crazy think about guns all the time, and vote on the issue with fanatic intensity.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/newtown-lawsuit-moral-work-gun-control

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=158158

[pintobean]

57. It's an opinion piece

and the claim is not sourced.

[Electric Monk]

61. Of course. I just think it was well said, and the evidence is, well, all around us. nt

[treestar]

26. She is not presumptive heiress; she has supporters

in the Democratic party and that is why she has a chance of wining the primaries.

If she is for gun control, good.

[tularetom]

28. She'll say whatever her media gurus and focus group pollsters tell her to say

And right now they have picked up on the fact that there is some agitation out there for enhanced gun control. I don't think Clinton has a dog in this fight, I doubt that she even knows how to fire a gun. However, she is a panderer par excellence and she'll go with whichever side puts the most pressure on her.

Personally, I would be opposed to any gun control measures beyond universal background checks. But I don't care how Clinton comes down on this issue, since I have a shitload of other reasons to oppose her.

As somebody mentioned elsewhere on this thread, Obama has not taken one gun away from me, despite seven years of hysterical screeching by the NRA and some other nervous nellies. So I couldn't care less about Clinton.

[jimmy the one]

89. perhaps hillary never did shoot a gun, kerry/gore did

I don't think Clinton has a dog in this fight, I doubt that she even knows how to fire a gun.

Perhaps not, but what diff? Kerry had a shotgun, gore was in the army, doesn't matter whether a democrat knows how to use a gun or not, nra would never support a democrat.

[BainsBane]

37. I will vote for the Democratic nominee

whoever it is. I may caucus for Clinton but I don't know yet, as it is still early on and I don't know what the rest of the field will be. Whichever Democratic candidate I vote for will support gun control. I will not support a pro-gun candidate.

[Eleanors38]

38. Gee, I went to a GD gun discussion, and a purge broke out!

[Iggo]

39. Not in the primary.

[metalbot]

60. Gun rights are important to me

I get that removing those rights is important to a lot of people here.

However, if I wanted to vote for the person who was most likely to support those rights, I'd have to vote for bat-shit crazy anti-science republicans. I can't say that I'll happily vote for Hillary, but I'll happily vote against crazy people.

[Hekate]

67. "Democrat" Underground? "democrat politicians"? Why the RW tags, jimmy? nt

[stevenleser]

90. Glad others caught that. Pretty obvious tell tale sign that something is amiss. nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

70. Your use of "Democrat" appears to be taken from right wing Republican talking points.

especially in the way you use "democrat."

So, I will not vote in your poll since I will not vote for a Republican in a real election.

[jimmy the one]

94. have a nice day

agn sherbet: Your use of "Democrat" appears to be taken from right wing Republican talking points. .. especially in the way you use "democrat."

Well, so what. I didn't do it on purpose, but if you think so, it's your opinny.

ssgn sherbet: So, I will not vote in your poll since I will not vote for a Republican in a real election

Ok, no problem. Have a nice day.

[Feron]

73. Gun control isn't even on my radar.

Hillary is an accomplished woman and I respect her for that. But I won't vote for Hillary because she is another neoliberal like Obama and her husband.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

If Hillary is the nominee, then I will vote third party.

And if Democrats want the votes of progressives, then they need to stop moving to the right.

[liberal N proud]

79. I am a one issue voter

NOT!!!

[orpupilofnature57]

81. I try to tell my Friends who are against gun control, your guns

won't stop Nuclear Holocaust, you won't be able to shoot for recreation if we're starving ,poisoned, and everything is owned by people who don't need money . I'm not voting for because she's a misanthrope with megalomaniac tendencies .

[brooklynite]

82. What's a "Democrat" Gun Enthusiast?

[orpupilofnature57]

84. A politician trying to woo .

[Omaha Steve]

85. Needs another choice

I will volunteer my time and work for the party on the phone or door to door (health permitting) for the eventual nominee regardless of his-her individual positions. There is not an R candidate that comes close to most D's or DUers way of thinking platform wide!!!

OS

[NaturalHigh]

86. Yes, I will vote for Hillary Clinton.

For the sake of her first mid-term elections, I hope she learned the lesson that Bill Clinton learned in 1994.

[yuiyoshida]

91. "democrat politicians and the democrat party"

The word is Democratic.

[11 Bravo]

92. I will vote for the Democratic nominee. Period. Full stop.

[BainsBane]

93. I will vote for the Democratic nominee but am undecided in the primary

I'd describe myself as leaning Clinton, but I am not sure. I will wait until the debates, to see what all the candidates have to say, and who is still in by the time I caucus.

Needless to say, a strong gun control position is a plus for me. A pro-gun position is a big negative.