How will Hillary defend the Nato bombing of Libya now that people are drowning in the Mediterranean

[betterdemsonly]

Really the Nato bombing of Libya has to be the most tragic mistakes this administration made and it is on her. She bragged of pushing Obama to do this for months.




Europe
Europe Faces Crisis as Hundreds of Migrants Die in Mediterranean Sinkings


ROME — European leaders were confronted on Monday with a full-blown humanitarian crisis in the Mediterranean, as estimates that as many as 900 migrants may have died off the Libyan coast this weekend prompted calls for a new approach to the surging number of refugees crossing from Africa and the Middle East.

Even as efforts continued to collect the bodies from the sinking off Libya late Saturday and early Sunday — only 28 survivors have been found — Italian rescue ships responded to new distress calls from other vessels. A second migrant ship crashed near the Greek island of Rhodes, underscoring the relentless flow of people fleeing poverty, persecution and war.......................

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/21/world/europe/european-union-immigration-migrant-ship-capsizes.html?_r=0



Since Richard Engels kidnapping has been outed as a fraud, the Syrian excellent adventure is becoming equally tragic.. Let's not forget all the Nazi love from the Ukrainian regime. All inspired by neocon holdovers that Hillary rescued.

[Thinkingabout]

1. Perhaps no more than you need to explain on why this question was ask.

How in the hell do you hold Hillary responsible for the migrants drowning. It is shameful this has occurred. Blaming Hillary for this is akin to Pat Robertson saying Katrina hit New Orleans because of the gays.

[brooklynite]

3. Much better to have Gadaffi kill a few at a time?

[betterdemsonly]

10. How do you know they weren't isis troublemakers? n/t

[FarPoint]

22. How do you know they were?

Tell us more.

[betterdemsonly]

23. why do we have any obligation to support wars in other countries we

know little about? We have a long an illustrius track record of doing far more harm than good. Libya, Syria and the Ukraine are just adding to the mess that started when Bush took us into Iraq. Electing a dem should have changed things. Unfortunately New Dems just want to tweak shitty ideas rather than chart a different course.

[libdem4life]

25. +1000 Truth is, we need to use the military stuff we have, not "waste" the trillions.

Truly bipartisan, unfortunately. All has to do with keeping the MIC intact and the warmongers rich.

[betterdemsonly]

5. They are mostly Libyan and Syrian refugees.

Both wars have done nothing but fuel ISIS. There were no refugees before we incited them.

[tritsofme]

4. Benghazi!!!1!1

[betterdemsonly]

7. Yes, her enabling of the neocons did nothing to stop them making up

more faux scandals.

[DURHAM D]

14. Could you provide a list of the neocons she enabled?

Thank you.

[betterdemsonly]

15. Start with Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan.

Than moveon to their kissing cousins, the socalled liberal hawks like Samantha Power and Susan Rice.

[DURHAM D]

24. Okay. I get it.

This OP should be locked and you should re-post in CT.

btw - Did you forget that Samantha Power called Hillary "a monster".

[betterdemsonly]

33. I don't get you?

You are saying UN Ambassador Samantha Power called Hillary a monster? Do you have a link?

[DURHAM D]

36. google it

[JI7]

6. when was the kidnapping outed as fraud ?

Wasn't the issue over who was behind it ?

[betterdemsonly]

9. It was the Sunnies not the Shias.

i posted on this the other day. Dead silence on how this fueled the rush to war against Assad.

[JI7]

12. It didn't fuel anything

The place was already at war

[betterdemsonly]

13. It fuelled our rush to arm the socalled "Syrian moderates"

Who have revealed themselves as Al Qaeda. They are now killing non wahhabis with American weaponry.

[quadrature]

16. wrong. the 'Arab Spring' movement was ongoing ,

and then Hillary-et-al decided to
kick Ghadaffi out of Libya.
which gave encouragement to the
so-called 'rebels' in Syria,
in addition to weapons that
went all over Africa
and the middle east.
Add to that, Mali and Yemen.

[JI7]

19. Syria was already a war zone when Engel was kidnapped

[betterdemsonly]

21. but we hadn't funded the "Syrian opposition"

without which the war wouldn't be nearly so nasty or danderous. Noone with common sense would want isis to win. People at the time were warning the adminstration that the Syrian moderates were Al Qaeda but they wouldn't listen. They were more interested in appeasing neocons.

[betterdemsonly]

20. Without American weaponry these two movements would have gone nowhere

and wouldn't be producing near as much death and destruction. Isis would never have gotten off the ground without us. Arab spring didn't make us bomb anything or give isis weapons.

[SidDithers]

8. Oh FFS...

Keep trying.

Sid

[betterdemsonly]

11. the libyan bombings are a real fuckup

and I hope she is made to answer for it in the primary debates. Maybe it will remind people of her IWR vote and other foreign policy errors.

[FSogol]

18. Seriously.

x 100

[zappaman]

17. Uh huh.

Keep going.
I'm sure eventually you will find something that sticks,

[BainsBane]

26. Don't you mean?

[hrmjustin]

27. Really? FFS!

[pampango]

28. By asking us if we prefer there to be dictators across north Africa so that desperate refugees can

be prevented from attempting to cross the Mediterranean and either drowning or, more likely, becoming refugees in Western countries which increases the popularity of the far-right, anti-immigrant political parties.

Friendly dictators, like Gaddafi, do a good job of controlling their countries and preventing unseemly things like throngs of refugees from Syria, Sudan, Nigeria, etc. from escaping their suffering. Friendly dictators have been a staple of American foreign policy for decades. I would hope we can one day transition away from that policy.

Gaddafi was being paid quite handsomely by the EU to prevent immigrants from transiting through Libya. And he gave them their money's worth. He was quite good at stopping refugees. I suppose Europeans knew that the departure of Gaddafi would start the flow of refugees again.

[DCBob]

29. This sounds like RW logic.

[betterdemsonly]

30. Only to people who confuse notions of left and right with partisan needs n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

31. Odd how some people don't see a connection from the NATO actions in Libya to a refugee crisis...

Seems obvious that civil war and all that follows from it would create a flood of refugees.

Not only the direct NATO bombing, but also flooding the place with weapons. It also destabilized northwest African countries like Mali. Sad to see so many unable to fit these puzzle pieces together.

[betterdemsonly]

35. There is a personal stake in not connecting the dots. n/t

[kelliekat44]

32. She can always point out the pressure from the GOP like McCain, Graham, Cruz and others.

They insisted that this be done and even wanted boots on the ground...or Obama administration would have been the most anti-American, pro-Islam administration in history. Another Bibi triumph...much like what is about to happen with Iran if Obama doesn't stop it.

[betterdemsonly]

34. Maybe true, but McCain lost so Obama and Hillary

should have said tuff poop!

[jakeXT]

37. FOX says "What's done is done " and Kucinich isn't running