A question on Neo-Fascism.

[white_wolf]

I've been following some of the European elections and as I'm sure most of you know various Fascist parties have gotten elected in Greece and Hungary. From all I've read on the parties in these two countries and ones in the rest of Europe such as the UK's BNP, it seems that these parties are neo-Fascists are the neo-Nazi type. My question is this, does anyone know of any Fascists groups that advocate for something along the lines of Mussolini's original type of Fascism.

I'm just asking because I find it strange that neo-Nazis have managed to take root in so much of Europe when their doctrine is so limited by race. I'm just surprised, I thought Mussolini's style would be easier to adapt and use since it doesn't focus so much on race and focuses more on promoting a strong state, which the Right in nearly every country is for, whereas Nazism is a very limited ideology in terms of appeal. Mussolini seemed to focus more on culture than race, which I would think would be a more effective rallying cry, but then again right-wingers have never been too bright so maybe I'm over thinking this. I just find it strange how such a limited ideology as Nazism has taken root in so many countries, especially in countries that suffered so much under Nazi rule. I mean, I could see how the Golden Dawn could appeal to Greek nationalism by emphasizing Greek culture, but I can't see people hailing the swastika getting much support there.

[ZombieHorde]

1. Calling Nazis fascist is unfair to fascists.

I think fascism is extremely undesirable, but Nazism is special because it includes systematic, mass executions of whole communities. They combined murder and factories in a way that has never been done before or since. I really think Nazism should be considered its own thing.

[ellisonz]

2. You're overthinking this!

[katsy]

3. 7% for Golden Dawn

That's 7 out of 100 people. Do you think we can find 7 vile racists in any group of 100 Americans?

That is not out of range for lunatics in any particular culture, whether USA, France, Greece, Italy, Mexico.

The Greeks spilled much blood fighting nazis. This is not who we are as a people. Golden Dawn should fade into even more obscurity than it enjoys right now. They are hateful. They are an embarrassment to any decent human being. But these nazis do not define the Greek people. The 7% vote this party received helped oust PASOK but in no way is a bellwether for a nazi takeover of Greece.

That being said, my family in Greece is in limbo. They have only enough to provide for themselves in a modest way. I was planning to send my DD there for the summer. As long as there are no problems near Sparta, she will go.

[The Magistrate]

4. A couple of points, Sir

First, race is a supremely powerful appeal, working on a wholly visceral level. From a demagogue's point of view, Mussolini's lack of emphasis on race stands as one of the great weaknesses of his movement, and accounts for its relatively shallow rooting in Italy. Nowadays, in Europe, immigrant Moslems provide an obvious, clearly visible focus for racial animus. Long-standing hate between Greeks and Turks, extending even to mutual exchanges of genocidal killing and expulsion within the previous century, probably provides some extra 'zing' in the individual case you are focused on.

Second, it is worth remembering that most countries the Nazis occupied had willing collaborators, drawn from native rightist circles. These attachments in many instances lasted throughout the occupations, and can even be found to have persisted after the war. To these people, their country did not suffer under Nazi occupation; in their view, the Nazis killed the people who ought to have been killed, and would have been killed by their own governments if their political life had been healthy, and not so tainted by leftists and Jews ( largely, then, interchangeable categories to such people ). Hitler was a great darling of the European right before the Second World War, viewed as the great champion against Bolshevism.