Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:25 PM
TheNutcracker (2,104 posts)
Hillary Clinton crushes Republican rivals in new poll
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hillary-clinton-crushes-republican-rivals-in-new-poll-2015-04-20
By Robert Schroeder Apr 20, 2015 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — If the presidential election were held today, it wouldn’t even be close. Hillary Clinton is crushing her potential Republican rivals by double digits in a new CNN/ORC International poll. The Republicans’ best showing is by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who trails the former senator and secretary of state by 14 points. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who hasn’t declared his candidacy yet, lags Clinton by 17 points. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie are each 19 points behind Clinton. Rubio and Paul have declared their candidacies, but Christie hasn’t said he’ll run. Clinton is also the overwhelming favorite for the Democratic nomination, with nearly seven in 10 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents supporting her. Even including the poll’s margin of error, Clinton would still have a double-digit lead on Rubio and the others. The poll was taken April 16-19 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. It was released Monday. "We do better when we work together. Women & men, all of us across every line that is used to divide us.” - Hillary.
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TheNutcracker | Apr 2015 | OP |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #1 | |
MoonRiver | Apr 2015 | #2 | |
okasha | Apr 2015 | #4 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Apr 2015 | #11 | |
William769 | Apr 2015 | #23 | |
leftofcool | Apr 2015 | #31 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #36 | |
iandhr | Apr 2015 | #57 | |
MaggieD | Apr 2015 | #63 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #3 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #6 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #7 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2015 | #15 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #30 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #34 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #35 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #43 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2015 | #64 | |
procon | Apr 2015 | #60 | |
LanternWaste | Apr 2015 | #62 | |
hrmjustin | Apr 2015 | #5 | |
Name removed | Apr 2015 | #8 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #9 | |
JaneyVee | Apr 2015 | #10 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #14 | |
Name removed | Apr 2015 | #19 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #21 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Apr 2015 | #39 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #40 | |
1StrongBlackMan | Apr 2015 | #44 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #50 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #25 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #37 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #54 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #55 | |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin | Apr 2015 | #22 | |
Name removed | Apr 2015 | #26 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Apr 2015 | #12 | |
Name removed | Apr 2015 | #18 | |
Dr Hobbitstein | Apr 2015 | #27 | |
Name removed | Apr 2015 | #29 | |
TheNutcracker | Apr 2015 | #33 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #17 | |
Dr Hobbitstein | Apr 2015 | #49 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #51 | |
Dr Hobbitstein | Apr 2015 | #52 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #53 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #59 | |
misterhighwasted | Apr 2015 | #13 | |
FiveGoodMen | Apr 2015 | #16 | |
snooper2 | Apr 2015 | #20 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #42 | |
lewebley3 | Apr 2015 | #24 | |
underpants | Apr 2015 | #28 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #32 | |
SCantiGOP | Apr 2015 | #41 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #38 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Apr 2015 | #45 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2015 | #47 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Apr 2015 | #48 | |
NYC_SKP | Apr 2015 | #58 | |
realFedUp | Apr 2015 | #46 | |
Richardo | Apr 2015 | #56 | |
IdiotsforPalin | Apr 2015 | #61 |
Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
1. This is going to encourage the Pukes to quadruple down on their efforts to smear her./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:28 PM
MoonRiver (36,926 posts)
2. They don't need any encouragement.
Game on for the rat fuckers.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
okasha (11,573 posts)
4. Not to mention their little echoes here.
Response to okasha (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:27 PM
MaggieD (7,393 posts)
63. +3
Sadly, that is true.
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:29 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
3. Meh. A random national sample of 1,018 adult Americans, by telephone.
Unimpressed, but it's quite early in the process.
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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:31 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
6. How would you contact prospective voters?
NT
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:37 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
7. I wouldn't. I wouldn't poll people on who they might vote for. It helps the wrong people.
Why would I want to help the opposition?
By opposition, I mean the media who play games promoting their agenda, their narrative, and their choice of candidates. I don't mind polling, done well, of opinions and publishing these results and the study methodology, as regards issues, but don't support "who would you vote for". These favor people with name recognition and people with the money to project an image, which may be a false one. We are seeing that right now, and this poll outcome is evidence of these phenomena. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:50 PM
pnwmom (107,996 posts)
15. It's a poll by a well-respected polling company using a typical sample size and methods.
But of course you reject it.
What's wrong with a telephone poll? Will you only be satisfied with a door-to-door? Or are you trying to imply that users of cell phones weren't included? If so, you're wrong. "This sample includes 615 interviews among landline respondents and 403 interviews among cell phone respondents." |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:30 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
30. The poll excludes people without phones and who don't participate in phone polls.
And people who screen their calls, or who only take voice messages, etc.
And it assumes that people answer honestly. Really, a valid methodology would require a higher N and a mixture of engagement strategies. The poll is useful in one respect, it can be administered repeatedly and show trends but the trends will only apply to: people who pick up the phone and participate in the poll, a likely minority of all phone users. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #30)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:32 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
34. Cellphone and landline phone penetration is like 99%
And there are controls put in place to ensure respondents and non respondents preferences are the same.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #34)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:39 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
35. It measures a sample limited to people who engage in phone polls. That's a problem.
I can't think of a mechanism that can be build into the methodology to adjust for this factor.
Busy people, hard working people, people who distrust polls or strange numbers calling them are not included in these polls. I would not be included in this study because I have a life. I would submit that people with less to do and who just don't care are over-represented. People with less to do who just don't care people lurve Hillary Clinton! ![]() |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:48 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
43. If the desires of non -respondents and respondents diverged in significant ways
If the desires of non -respondents and respondents diverged in significant ways then all polls would be similarly flawed but everything we know suggests they are very effective.
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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:01 PM
pnwmom (107,996 posts)
64. ORC has used these polls to predict elections for decades. ORC doesn't have a particular
political agenda, and their results are usually within the stated margin of error.
I'm sure you would be touting them if the results looked bad for HRC. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:35 PM
procon (15,805 posts)
60. Without the sarcasm thingy, I cant tell
if you're joking. Maybe you have an a really impressive idea to share about some other means of conducting a survey that is quicker or better, or maybe just a different methodology that produces the outcome that you'd find more agreeable?
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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:53 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
62. I'd "meh" a statistically valid poll if it didn't validate my biases too.
I'd "meh" a statistically valid poll if it didn't validate my biases too. Just wait til they publish polls that do in fact, validate our biases-- then we'll rationalize a distinction without difference and somehow justify holding them to different standards.
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
5. Impressive but early.
Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
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Response to Name removed (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:44 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
10. He's polling at 1%.
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #10)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:50 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
14. Does that mean he is literally the candidate of the 1% or he has nowhere to go but up?
NT
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)
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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:02 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
21. It is interesting that he decided to become a Democrat after his 22% approval ratings...
It is interesting that he decided to become a Democrat after his 22% approval ratings compelled him not to run for re-election for the Rhode Island governorship:
Hard as it is to imagine, Congressman David Cicilline and Gov. Lincoln Chafee have managed to lose even more public support. Cicilline’s job approval rating has sunk to just 15% among all Rhode Island voters, down from 24% in December, according to a new Brown University poll released Thursday morning. Chafee’s approval rating isn’t much higher at 22%, down from 27%. To put those numbers in perspective, President Richard Nixon’s approval rating was 24% a week before he resigned over Watergate in 1974. Slightly more voters rated Chafee’s job performance as poor (45%) than said so about Cicilline’s (43%). http://wpri.com/blog/2012/02/23/cicilline-chafee-approval-ratings-now-worse-than-nixon-in-1974/ |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #21)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:41 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
39. I was going to ask about this ...
Don't forget that probably the biggest reason that Senator Obama, at the time, defeated Hillary Clinton in '08 was because of the Iraq war vote. That was the issue,” Chafee said on CNN.
But the poster is gone. But if Chaffee thinks that HRC's IW vote was the "biggest reason" she lost to Candidate Obama, then, I suspect he's been hanging out on DU to get his HRC attack points; rather than, talking to the Democratic base. |
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #39)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:45 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
40. African Americans were/are an essential part of her base
African Americans were/are an essential part of her base. Once Barack Obama demonstrated he was a viable general election candidate by beating Hillary in the Iowa caucus was when her campaign went south , figuratively of course.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:52 PM
1StrongBlackMan (31,849 posts)
44. I can tell you, HRC's IW vote had zero to do with ...
my vote for Candidate Obama. And it will likely to have the same effect on whomever I vote for in 2016.
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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #44)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:00 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
50. LOL
I can tell you, HRC's IW vote had zero to do with my vote for Candidate Clinton. And it will likely to have the same effect on whomever I vote for in 2016.
But I still love you and President Obama. |
Response to Name removed (Reply #19)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:07 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
25. Will you please...
No, I will vote my conscience regardless of how I am smeared by others
Will you please let us know who is smearing you? |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #25)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:41 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
37. Damn. We'll never know!
They are poof, gone.
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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #37)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:08 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
54. If I ever smeared you I apologize. I intend to use my scintillating personality...
If I ever smeared you I apologize. I intend to use my scintillating personality to win you over to our side.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #54)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:12 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
55. I consider us to be buds, despite our tastes in candidates!
My dog, your baby, at least our avatars are a cute match!
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #14)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:02 PM
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (99,571 posts)
22. Rim shot
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #22)
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Response to Name removed (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Tarheel_Dem (31,137 posts)
12. Doesn't stand a chance. I find it curious that the folks who have most recently evolved from Repuke
to Dem seem to be the ones that certain "progressives" are pushing the hardest. Chafee, Webb, Warren? Really? WTF?
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Response to Name removed (Reply #18)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
27. Chafee supports privitization of Social Security.
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #27)
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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #27)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:32 PM
TheNutcracker (2,104 posts)
33. YES...END of Chafee, for he does support privatizing Soc Sec. DONE!
Dems don't want you Mr. Chafee for even entertaining this!
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Response to Name removed (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:52 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
17. Welcome to Democratic Underground./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:59 PM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
49. Didn't seem to last... N/T
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #49)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:01 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
51. At least I gave him a proper welcome. "Welcome back" would have been more appropriate./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #51)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dr Hobbitstein (6,568 posts)
52. I didn't recognize the tone of their text...
I assume you've scrapped with this one before, though. I saw your post about contacting MIRT. Had a feeling it was this one.
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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #52)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:05 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
53. I didn't have much contact with him because I ignore the Obama Bashers./NT
Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #52)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:29 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
59. You can tell by their toes and their feet.
Ingrown nails, purple toe tips, and mud between the toes.
These are all indicators. |
Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)
13. Impressive considering She hasn't appeared on any Sunday morning talk shows.
..and She hasn't spoken to a staged media group with pre-approved questions.
Far ahead in the polls with barely an appearance & only simple small gatherings along a slow moving campaign trail. No lights cameras nor profound statements splashed across the News to be picked apart. And She holds double digit numbers above the rest. Pretty impressive indeed. |
Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:52 PM
FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)
16. And once she's in office, her policies will crush us (unless we're CEOs)
What's to get happy about?
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
snooper2 (30,151 posts)
20. I think by June we will just about be done with fucking polls LOL
Response to snooper2 (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:46 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
42. You should turn this question into a DU poll!
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:03 PM
lewebley3 (3,412 posts)
24. Yep! You cannot count on GOP going Neg early!Bring up her neg!!
All the GOP has to pay off the New York time reporters, they are happy to leave things out of a story, and leave the wrong impression, and when they get called wrong, they just pretend they fixed it by reporting errors days later, but not before the sell their news papers with lies first. |
Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:19 PM
underpants (176,904 posts)
28. But Hurricane Huckabee and the Santorum Storm are on the horizon
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Response to underpants (Reply #28)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
32. Ewww, a tidal surge of Santorum?
RUN AWAY!!!
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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #32)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:45 PM
SCantiGOP (13,246 posts)
41. I'll write a check to Santorum
IF.........he will promise to go on Jon Stewart before he leaves the show.
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:41 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
38. I believe Name Removed was Will Twain.
Same m.o.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #38)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:53 PM
Tarheel_Dem (31,137 posts)
45. Dammit, I missed it. MIRT is on the ball. Were you able to see his response to me?
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #45)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:56 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,840 posts)
47. This was one of Will's posts. Don't know if it was directed to you./NT
No, I will vote my conscience regardless of how I am smeared by others
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #47)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:58 PM
Tarheel_Dem (31,137 posts)
48. Goodness, how many socks can one troll have? He really likes this place. A+++ for persistence.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #48)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:28 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
58. 17. One troll can have as many as 17 socks, which is amusing.
As socks are usually found in pairs!
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:55 PM
realFedUp (25,053 posts)
46. At least, Americans still recognize intelligence
Sometimes I think this country has a majority of stupid people.....
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:14 PM
Richardo (38,391 posts)
56. Unless they break out the respondents by state so we can add up electoral votes, it's meaningless
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Response to TheNutcracker (Original post)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:43 PM
IdiotsforPalin (158 posts)
61. LMAO
What? Cruz and Trump didn't even register?
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