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Botany

(71,124 posts)
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:15 AM Apr 2015

2 Questions about the Clinton Foundation

1) Did the funds received by the Clinton Foundation both domestic and foreign go
100% to charity outside of operational and administrative expenses?

2) Why does my skin crawl and I think of Whitewater and Benghazi when our "liberal
media," uses terms such as "Clinton Cash?"

Thank you and grab something to eat.



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2 Questions about the Clinton Foundation (Original Post) Botany Apr 2015 OP
I'm not a Republican Congressteahadist, so I'm not particularly interested. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #1
Well the primaries haven't started, we can advocate for or against anyone we like. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #3
Is your name 'Botany?' I was addressing the OP, and GOPers. You needn't continue lecturing me. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #10
You're an outspoken Hillary supporter. I'm trying to help you. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #11
It might become embarrassing for you if she's the nominee. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #21
If she's the nominee we're going to have a tough time beating the opposition. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #24
LOL. Stepping down. How about others step up instead? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #20
Why are they... odd_duck Apr 2015 #2
it's called swiftboating and the media is going after the clintons. spanone Apr 2015 #4
+ 1 Botany Apr 2015 #5
Answer: 1: NO. Only 32% of CGI revenue was spend on grants paid out. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #6
Where do your numbers show money going directly to the Clintons? pnwmom Apr 2015 #8
Has anyone made that claim? The OP question didn't ask about that. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #9
You just suggested that Chelsea has. The foundation says that none of the Clintons draw salaries. pnwmom Apr 2015 #12
They offerer more assistance than just grants. This smacks of the same right wing meme okaawhatever Apr 2015 #13
Paid staff earn between $138,750 and $464,229 per year. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #15
I don't know where guidestar is getting its numbers. pnwmom Apr 2015 #14
I posted that link earlier, my figures are for CGI, a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #16
But the question was about the Clinton Foundation overall. pnwmom Apr 2015 #17
That's a fair observation, and I only today learned about the whole family of enterprises. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #18
I agree that I would be very unlikely to donate to a charity with huge overhead expenses. pnwmom Apr 2015 #22
I found the IRS filing instructions: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #23
Are those fucking GMO FOODS in that picture! snooper2 Apr 2015 #7
They were picked by little hands in faraway lands.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #19
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Well the primaries haven't started, we can advocate for or against anyone we like.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:46 AM
Apr 2015

I'm advocating against the Clintons, Hillary in particular, but you can't divorce her from the foundation.

While Secretary of State, there is the appearance that she gave the green light to activities that later might have resulted in tens of millions of dollars being passed to her foundation.

Bad form!

Foundation funds pay for fabulous trips all over the world, jets, limos, and I think their daughter enjoyed a nice salary. Maybe she still does, I'm not sure.

No way does this look good for our her.

It's not a Republican problem, it's a Hillary problem.

She needs to step down while there's still time to find a genuine champion.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
10. Is your name 'Botany?' I was addressing the OP, and GOPers. You needn't continue lecturing me. nt
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. You're an outspoken Hillary supporter. I'm trying to help you.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

It might become embarrassing for you as some juncture as you try to tell people that the moment she announced that it was a done deal and everyone should get in line.

As time passes, we might need your support behind a different candidate.

Just sayin'

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. If she's the nominee we're going to have a tough time beating the opposition.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:32 PM
Apr 2015

That's the tragedy of this, but if we're going to vote out of fear and based upon celebrity, accept the lesser of two evils instead of insisting on better, I suppose we will have earned the outcome.

odd_duck

(107 posts)
2. Why are they...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:29 AM
Apr 2015

so concerned about money all of a sudden??
I thought that Citizens United gives sanction to all forms of cash-flow?

Botany

(71,124 posts)
5. + 1
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:00 AM
Apr 2015

In 2004 I met two of the men who served w/John Kerry in Vietnam and what Rove
and others did to Kerry was just awful.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Answer: 1: NO. Only 32% of CGI revenue was spend on grants paid out.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:02 AM
Apr 2015

Reported prior year figures reported on their 2013 Form 990:

Revenue: $28,221,924

Grants paid: $8,975,872

Salaries, benefits: $6,949,577

Other expenses: $12,296,668

Less than 32% of the revenue was spent on grants paid out.
Over 24% was spent on salaries and benefits.
"Other expenses" accounted for almost 44%.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2013/271/551/2013-271551550-0b0d6513-9.pdf

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. Has anyone made that claim? The OP question didn't ask about that.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:29 AM
Apr 2015

GuideStar couldn't provide a Schedule A, which would have listed such details as salaries.

Chelsea V Clinton is listed as a director, but no salary is described, that's often on Schedules A and J.

I don't think anyone has claimed that the Clinton family members received cash.

The claim is that donations to the foundation that paid more for overhead and salaries and travel than for any actual grants to recipients, might have influenced the Secretary of State's decisions.

Personally, when I know that United Way puts out 65-75% of their revenue in grants and CGI can only spit out 32%, it's a red flag.

And when United Way grants paid out are always well above the salaries plus overhead but CGI salaries + expenses are DOUBLE what the grants are, that's a red flag.

There is the appearance that CGI is a money pit that does some good but at a very high cost for doing that good.

Technically, it's legal to have a foundation that takes in money and all they do is fly around and make presentations and shake hands.

The numbers surprised me,

pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
12. You just suggested that Chelsea has. The foundation says that none of the Clintons draw salaries.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:33 PM
Apr 2015

So unless you think they're lying about that . . .

okaawhatever

(9,482 posts)
13. They offerer more assistance than just grants. This smacks of the same right wing meme
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

about Planned Parenthood where they talk about how little of their money went to research. (Research isn't their primary purpose) Nice try.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
15. Paid staff earn between $138,750 and $464,229 per year.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:54 PM
Apr 2015

You can call it RW just because it makes Clintons look bad, but I haven't them reveal these details.

They all do it, all nonprofits have overhead, but usually the overhead is kept to a minimum.

Also, elected officials should recuse themselves from involvement in the affairs of potential donors to their family charitable trust, that's just obvious.

This is why I've been against Hillary from the start. The Clintons think that any shitty thing they do is justified because they're Clintons.

pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
14. I don't know where guidestar is getting its numbers.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:51 PM
Apr 2015

This is what the Clinton Foundation has reported.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_11-19-14.pdf

Program services 196,633,380
Management and general 15,633,562
Fund raising 10,129,160
Provision for uncollectible pledges 225,000
Total expenses and losses 222,621,102

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. I posted that link earlier, my figures are for CGI, a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:04 PM
Apr 2015

.

Here, let me educate you and other readers:

It's a complex series of businesses within the greater organization:





And their expenses versus revenue figures are red flags for a supposed non-profit.





And the salaries, $464,229 plus benefits, OMG!





Really, Hillary should have recused herself from making decisions with potential donors to their foundation, or the foundation should have refused the money.

This is the classic conflict of interest she's put herself in, and by extension, MY PARTY.

She needs to go away.




pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
17. But the question was about the Clinton Foundation overall.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:15 PM
Apr 2015

And you answered, "no" that 100% didn't go to charity outside of operational and administrative expenses.

But I don't see that you've shown that. For this subsidiary, you have shown high administrative costs. But you haven't shown that any funds went to something other than operational/administrative costs or to programs. You've suggested that maybe salaries were paid out to the Clintons, but that isn't true, according to the foundation. They serve without salaries.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. That's a fair observation, and I only today learned about the whole family of enterprises.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

When I looked up the CGI numbers I didn't differentiate between CGI and the Bill Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, the umbrella org, or I'd have used that data.

The OP question is a tricky one:

Operational and Administrative expenses are, pretty much, everything except for block grants, if there are any, or graft.

Not sure what the OP was looking for, Form 990s don't have a category for siphoned funds or such.

But expenses can be lavish, lots of flight and hotels and dinners just to deliver a package or address an audience.

These things start to add up and they take away from putting food in the stomachs of hungry children or clothes on the backs of their parents.

I know you know this, charitable orgs are often evaluated for how much actually served the target populations, and I am interested in learning more.

Also, where the revenue comes from, item by item, not just categorically.

This is a job interview, I'm tough on candidates.

pnwmom

(109,197 posts)
22. I agree that I would be very unlikely to donate to a charity with huge overhead expenses.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

What I've been wondering about with this subsidiary is what the "other expenses" consist of. For example, I know they've been trying to build an endowment. If you put money into an endowment, is that considered an expense? I'm just asking -- I don't know.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. I found the IRS filing instructions:
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:13 PM
Apr 2015

Here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i990.pdf

Click to page 4 through 46.

Lobbying, travel expenses, certain gifts, publishing, communications equipment (everyone gets an iPad mini!) and pages of other costs are permitted here.

And these might justifiably include hiring local doctors or construction people to help a target audience, but also might be paying for lavish dinners and accommodations.

Government employees are typically limited in their expenses, categorically and in terms of cost, ie hotel not to exceed $150/night, meals under $30, but not foundations.

I'm astounded by the size of the Clinton Foundation. The budget is the size of a small nation, larger than the GDP of Palau, Marshall Islands, Falklands, or Micronesia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29



 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
19. They were picked by little hands in faraway lands....
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

....and cooked and served by workers without benefits but who do get food stamps.

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