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[bluestate10]

1. Terrorists.

That wake every day thinking of ways to kill innocent people should be boycotted. Until people calling for a boycott of the US for killing those bastards start putting the burden on those killers, I will continue to support drone strikes against them because I know that our soldiers, officers and CIA don't wake each and every day with the desire to kill innocent people if not stopped.

[lib2DaBone]

2. Your missing the point...

The point is ....when drones kill innocent women and children.

Maybe.. just maybe.. if we quit killing women and children.. the Terrosist wouldnt hate us?

[bluestate10]

5. Terrorists kill men, women and children.

American was not killing women and children when it was attacked in 1994, 1998 and 2001. CIA operatives and military people don't wake every day with the intent to kill as many people as they can. You are wrong. You attempt to set moral equivalency between accidental killing and purposeful killing of as many human being as possible. There is a fucking moral difference, I suggest that you discover that difference. I thought Timothy McVeigh was a bastard, I feel the same about al quida members and violent members of the taliban. I also accept the fact that some taliban fight us because they see us as invaders, that strain of taliban will be happy enough when we leave their country and will not atempt to murder innocent people.

[Zalatix]

23. And so do our drones.

[think]

31. Correct. America just set up the puppet dictators that trained the troops who killed the women

and children. Why sully our reputation when we can pay a dictator to do the dirty work....

[white_wolf]

4. You're right all the children killed by our drones are terrorists.

You can't be serious.

[bluestate10]

6. Don't twist my words.

The CIA and military doesn't wake each day trying to kill innocent people. Do innocent people sometimes get killed when the CIA and/or military kills a dedicated terrorist, yes, I don't dispute that happens on occasion. What I have a problem with is the insane attempts to equate CIA operatives and military people with terrorists that would happily set off a nuke in a major city if they could, or bring down a plane over a major city. There IS NO moral equivalence.

[whatchamacallit]

7. Insane?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwoods

[bluestate10]

8. Gee. What an astounding source of information.

What do you say about the rightwing stuffing of wikpedia? Is that any worse than leftwing stuffing? I think so, but the difference is not large.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Are you claiming this is untrue?

[bluestate10]

15. It is as reliable as the source. nt

[whatchamacallit]

20. Here, read it for yourself

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

National security document released under FOIA request, archived at George Washington University.

[Zalatix]

10. So collateral damage is OK, even if it means we kill more innocent bystanders than who died on 9/11?

And we are getting close to reaching that mark now,

[Major Nikon]

12. Only if you believe the official mouthpiece of the Iranian government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presstv.ir

Most aren't that naive.

[bluestate10]

19. I did not write that.

Distortion is no way to win a debate. I don't want innocent people to be killed, neither does a good CIA operative or military person. Do realize that innocent people sometimes get killed when a missle strikes a terrorist? Yes. But I also see indications that the CIA and military make efforts to get terrorists away from other people, even if that means not killing them.

[Zalatix]

22. But you showed no sign of giving a damn if innocents are killed

as long as we get a few people who have been accused of being terrorists (without any proof, mind you), you have no problem with these drone strikes.

If you have a problem with the drone strikes, please, list them.

[Zalatix]

9. Show me proof that these people being killed are terrorists.

No proof, no summary executions.

[FSogol]

3. Presstv.ir? More Iranian Government proproganda.

[Zalatix]

11. And they're different from our propaganda exactly how?

[Major Nikon]

13. They are owned, operated, and financed by a government that exports terrorism

Just sayin'

[FSogol]

16. Yeah, but in the minds of some "Democrats" here, we are no different from Iran.

Just another puke worthy thread.

[Fumesucker]

18. Of course we are different than Iran..

Iraq actually attacked Iran at the start of their war..

The US, not so much..

[Zalatix]

21. Unlike our Government, which does the following:

Exports weapons of mass destruction, such as those which were given to Saddam Hussein, whom we supported

CIA interference in legitimate foreign Government elections, like in Latin America; see: the Contra/Sandinista scandal (aka Iran-Contra), and the CIA-assisted coups in Guatemala, etc.

The Government's arming of the Taleban (and Osama Bin Laden) in order to defeat the USSR in Afghanistan (3 guesses as to who we're fighting in Afghanistan now)

The bombing of weddings in Afghanistan

Abu Ghraib

The countless numbers of civilians killed as collateral damage from drone strikes


Yeah, America's leaders don't export terrorism. They just kill a lot of innocent people, overturn a lot of legitimately elected governments, and support a lot of madmen as long as they oppose our enemies.

And then they lie to us about it.

[Major Nikon]

24. Unlike our government which does not own, operate, or finance the media

Not sure why that is such a hard concept to grasp.

Try writing the exact same things you're writing about the Iranian government from inside Iran. Then see how long you remain breathing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_murders_of_Iran

Free speech is an amazing thing. The US has it. Iran doesn't. Whatever dissatisfaction you feel with US government policy doesn't change that reality.

[Zalatix]

25. No, the Military-Industrial complex owns the media.

And in America you can speak up all you want to. Problem is it won't mean a damned thing. Why kill people who speak ill of you if you can manipulate the press, disenfranchise your opposition, and hack the vote?

[Major Nikon]

26. Hmmm, OK

This is about as fruitful as trying to have an objective discussion with a streetcorner preacher.

I'm done. You can continue if you want.

Cheers!

[Zalatix]

27. You, of course, being the preacher. Have a nice day!

[SidDithers]

17. Wow. You really like presstv...

Interesting.

Sid

[RZM]

28. Why do you post this bullshit?

Not only is it PressTV, but it's also pimping that loser Sherwood Ross.

Here's a cute little passage from his 2011 article entitled 'Impeach Obama Now':

We tolerate President Obama, the war-maker and tyrant, at our peril. He is a menace to America and humankind, the palpable, living symbol of the military-industrial complex run amok. He should be impeached. Viable candidates to replace him need to step forward and stand for election. The Democrats still have a number of capable prospects. And the Green Party is calling for an immediate withdrawal from the Middle East and its candidates should be rewarded accordingly at the polls.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Commentary-Impeach-Obama-by-Sherwood-Ross-110722-125.html

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. And with that, I'm pretty much sure this thread is finished...

Excepting of course, responses from those who don't read the thread before posting.

[SidDithers]

32. Well done...

Sid

[Poll_Blind]

30. Fair point- but does anyone know if this has even been brought up in the UN yet in some form?

If it hasn't, I'm maybe a little surprised it hasn't.

PB

[Robb]

33. "The Northerner," you are again promoting the efforts of bigots.

It has been explained to you...

Press TV, and its affiliates, are required by the Iranian constitution to represent the opinions of the government. That is no small matter.

It might be one thing to cite a questionable source. But you are citing a source that is part and parcel to a government. You are helping contribute to increasing the reach and influence of a government, not an independent news source.

And this is a government that makes being gay an imprisonable offense.

...and you continue to do it.