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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou know when I *know* our teenager's up to no good?
If he gets indignant when I start asking questions about a subject, I know mischief is afoot.
Now about the TPP...
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to say....
i guess that is different parenting styles.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Manny called THAT one.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)He, or his fan club will alert on you for launching a personal attack!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)how dare you call her a pig. !!!
On Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Yes ... That old "wrestling with pigs" admonition. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=404761
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
He says basically talking to this lady is like wrestling with a pig so there is no point. It's just rude to call each other pigs.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:10 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He is NOT calling her a pig and quit lying in an alert. That is disgusting and shame on you. I felt this was a worthless alert. But, reading the alerters message, I think it should be alerted on. Shame, shame.
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merrily
(45,251 posts)this minute.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i know... you do not know if you accuse someone. i have been accused of alerting so many times, alerters chewing my ass off for alerting, using my name, calling me names.... and i didnt. i would not even bother saying you are wrong. cause then a whole lot will jump that .... they know better.
that is nothing but a stupid assumption as if anyone fuckin knows.
i hardly.... i rarely, alert.
that said, this was so long ago, i do not even remember the conversation. i just had a jury, that was such a disgusting alert, i am still pissed about it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)of, holding up different signs. i would prefer all the signs to be forefront, and together, as one. i am not feeling that so much, right now, on du, with our democratic party.
i mean to fix that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you are across the street too. i can share a cup of coffee as we both stand on the side of the same street holding our signs. how hard is that? that is all i am saying.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Jeez.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
snap!Bryce Butler
(338 posts)On Sat Apr 25, 2015, 04:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Just like you do on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6567315
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
What a rude personal attack. This guy is always posting flamebait and tossing out personal attacks. Not really cool at all.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 25, 2015, 04:07 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: Not worthy of a hide
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bullshit alert. Leave it and stop using the jury system
to combat people with who you have political disagreements.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sadly it's true "always posting flamebait and tossing out personal attacks"
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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840high
(17,196 posts)
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If Manny posted "clean air is good" someone would probably alert.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Fried chicken and watermelon, during Black History Month ... that would survive an alert.
So would if he posted 3 posts denying that he posted the original Chicken and Watermelon thread.
So yes ... manny does have a vertical special fan club.
Question: When are the dues due?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And it's pretty uncool that you're claiming I did.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Let's see my watermelon and chicken joke.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just as soon as I get to the house ... just like I did the last time you denied it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It has the "joke" (that you now deny making) AND your apology for the "Joke" (that you deny making).
Now ... Perhaps I should bookmark the link because, if history will serve, you will slink away and deny it again, another day.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Shame on you.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)this is not a good look on you.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Really?
You can spin and contort to your heart's delight, but in the end, it's your own soul that you're wrecking.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I apologized for joking around in a way that might have made people feel bad for historical reasons.
Are you stating that I apologized for making a joke about watermelon and chicken?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and then take exception, and call it spin, when people understand that to be me calling that person an a@@hole.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)call it a personal attack when l am accused of telling them they have their head up their ass.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)she never said "you have your head up your a@@ ... I just don't see it."
"BTW, Fred ... Please know that I was having fun with the situation. But it struck me today that I was inadvertently being a little stupid (first time ever, right?), since my referring to you as 'my dear little Richard' could have been construed as, me calling you a 'dick'. So, I apologize. I should have been a bit more thoughtful."
So now I have license to deny having called Fred a dick. Right?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)but to joke around about a thread that discusses the racial aspects of the watermelon and fried chicken stereotype is okay. You should probably write a whole other OP on it, though, explaining that you are sorry that other people don't understand the difference between racism and what you posted. This is especially important if you have already self-identified as a white, straight, liberal graduate of an Ivy League School, and the people taking you to task over what you wrote tend to be a diverse mix of men and women of varied colors, sexual identities, and life experiences.
You know, I get that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and it seems to be accepted ... no, applauded, by a similarly homogenous demographic.
Now, "Who wants Privilege?!"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)your friends back you, and you all smile recognizing when called on it. but no one is obtuse to it.
the watermelon/chicken is just one example. you got called on it. now you pretend otherwise and have been for a while.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)huge fan club defends ANYTHING said by OP poster and frankly, I'm surprised at some here who are defending OP poster.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts).
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)When my teenager does that, I know that they've been up to no good.
Sid
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your righteous indignation is showing...
Number23
(24,544 posts)this guy's ass. Or flat out minimize anything he says or does when it is hurtful to minorities and women which he has done over and over and over again. BBI had so many recs and fans here it was ridiculous and only the admins were able to do anything about it because other DUers simply REFUSED to see him for what he so blatantly was.
We've been down this road before. I even said something about it in the thread you linked to. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5937307
Protecting this guy's right to minimize and mock people of color and women and CONTINUOUSLY divide this (already divided) web site is more important than anything to these people. WE DON'T MATTER. So we just need to accept that. Do you think these people care about all of the links you've provided that prove this person is a horribly corrosive, divisive figure here? The man has openly said he wants the 2008 election overturned over all others and his fan club couldn't care less. In fact, they APPLAUD that shit!! What more could they do to let it be known they could less than a damn about the Democratic base?
THEY DON'T CARE. WE DON'T MATTER. Be done with him.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I mean, how many ways, how many times do folks have to let you know that they don't give a shit about you before you just go, "okay."
Folks are running like crazy to protect this guy who has admitted that he is a white, Ivy league educated former Republican who wants the 2008 election (McCain vs. Obama) overturned over ALL OTHER ELECTIONS. Seriously.... what the ever loving....
This OP, which is not saying one thing, will get more recs than the OP about abortion rights. The folks here have spoken. We just need to accept it and move the fuck on along with the slew of other minority and feminist posters sick of having our concerns and issues ignored and our cultures and history mocked.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)focus on the ball, manny's issue, or else? well they have lots of names to call people.
why?
because blacks, women, gays refuse to go to the back of the bus. and it really pisses those off shoving us to the back, when we do not meekly go.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Who has told you to "go to the back of the bus"? Who?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Good luck!
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I've still got no idea how that OP's seen as a personal attack, but someone calling Manny a troll is cheered on. Follow the link in my post I'm linking to for that one. I still can't work out how one's a personal attack but the other isn't 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026567163#post116
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There has long been an epidemic of people thinking that anyone who disagrees with them is a troll.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I get that there's a small but very vocal group of DUers who hate Manny and appear in nearly any thread he starts attacking him, but why don't they have the ability that most adults have to ignore him and move on knowing that just because they hate him others don't and shouldn't feel guilty because they do?
I just read a post that pissed me off a bit. It was one that called him a racist and a misogynist and implied that anyone who doesn't agree with them on that are 'protecting' Manny because racism and misogyny aren't important issues to them. Fuck that for a joke. I'm a woman and a feminist and I don't like racists or misogynists (nor anti-Semites, homophobes, Islamophobes etc). Manny's not any of those things and it reminds me of the heady days when the I/P forum at DU2 moved really fast and I could count on being called a fan of Hamas, anti-Semite, and terrorist supporter on a daily basis by a few now banned DUers who just didn't like me at all.
My suggestion to the few vocal folk who dislike Manny and can't stop talking about him either in GD or in any of those 'protected' groups they use is to stop and have a think about how they'd feel if someone was calling them all sorts of names and attacking them. Would that be okay with them? And before they think to themselves 'ah, but I'm not a troll!', here's a newsflash. They don't get to define for DU who is and isn't a troll...
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Fortunately. They keep trying to though. I think the idea is if they insult, bully, and gang up long enough the rest of us will just go away or "come around" to their way of thinking.
Not gonna happen.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)to offend others based on sly, coded implications of racial stereotyping. Why should I want to stereotype anyone who might think, feel, act, on this forum differently, from me? I've seen a lot of that slyness here covered up with great storms of faux indignation. I see in my minds eye, them just laughing out loud as they register their faux indignation or enabling BS. A lot of privileged people, here, are not as slick as they think they are. Transparent as hell!!! And I laugh at their cluelessness, every time it happens.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)detailing who has called you names or told you to go to the back of the bus.
I will continue to wait patiently.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I don't really know what you're talking about, but hey, right on!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are not interested in? Isn't that kind of odd?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Well, odd is a relative term. It's not necessarily odd here since I see it all the time.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)anonymous people on the internet. Why do that to yourself? I worry about them sometimes they get so angry. Bad for BP to be angry all the time. And generally it accomplishes nothing, it's just the same old stuff, boring aside from anything else.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I guess that's about being white. It is what being white is like. But then you condescendingly "worry" about POC being angry about it.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)first, most important clue......who? Right.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Unfortunately I can't say the same for everyone.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)sorry. I just get so fed up with some of the enabling that goes on with the Manny 'fanclub'. My grievous mistake.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Particularly those that have made quite the spectacle out of themselves defending other folks here with well documented histories of race and gender trolling. Who says people learn from their mistakes? If it weren't so pathetic and so totally expected, it would be almost cute.
Yeah, so many AA and gay and feminist posters here are just picking on the straight, used to be Republican Ivy Leaguer! We're just so mean!
And these SAME FOLKS will turn around in a New York minute and scream about how much other folks who fit those exact same demographics are the source of all turmoil and evil. And people wonder why no one takes them and their crocodile tears for the downtrodden even the tiniest bit seriously.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)If it exists, it'll be easy to produce a link.
Also, why do you keep on mentioning that Manny used to be a Republican? Didn't Hillary Clinton used to be one too? I don't see what's so terrible about that...
treestar
(82,383 posts)For being told your issue is less important.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I don't demand that everyone place the same level of importance on issues I place great value on. That'd be stupid.
Them claiming they were told their issues could go to the back of the bus would be a figurative expression for telling someone their issues don't matter at all. And no-one's done that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And one minimizes it by telling them something else is more important, expect them to say things back like figurative expressions about being told to wait in the back of the bus. I've had it done to me.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And like I said that's nothing at all like being told to wait in the back of the bus. It'd be like that if they were told their issue wasn't important at all, and no-one's said that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)person that works hard on their issue, recognizing it is AS valuable and needed in our society, appreciative of their voice and knowledge and educating me cause i do not have the time to spend on that issue, i am focused on another issue.
dismiss one for yours, and ya... there is a problem.
send a group to the back of the bus to sit quietly and obediently, and i expect every one to stand up and say no
not tough violet.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Take your own advice. Not worth your time. Seriously.
You are allowed to put "personas" at DU in the - not one way or the other category.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Perfect summation of the whole clusterfuck.
The rest of the thread just demonstrates what you described so succinctly.
Somebody downthread suggested that a set of alert results be sent to Skinner. I couldn't agree more. In fact, I sincerely hope the poster follows through on the suggestion. This is textbook trolling, and it's reached the point of abusiveness, despite the protestations of the fans who "see nothing." blink blink
Enough is enough.
Number23
(24,544 posts)is running up and down this thread chasing after people for personal attacks and talking about posters and not issues -- the exact same thing s/he is doing. 
They've also made it clear that they don't fully understand what's going on in this thread or on this board, but for some reason, that's not stopping them from trying to take people to task.
There are a number of posters that have gotten attention from us in the AA forum for their incredibly negative, patronizing interaction with black posters here, and many of the ones that haven't been tombstoned already are all in this thread. Need I say more?
But I'm going to take JAG's advice and just walk away, which is what I was trying to tell 1SBM to do as well. But a part of me understands why it's important to "challenge" these people (as Justin noted downthread). As noted by the comments from heaven05, seabeyond and others, these folks are quite transparent and fool no one that don't want to be fooled. I am glad to see people standing up to that.
It begs the question though, "if you only want to shit on Democrats and don't give a damn about the Dem base which you mock and minimize over and over again, why the flying fuck are you haunting the boards of a Democratic web site with your presence?" but that question may be for another day.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)This isn't the first time I've asked you a question only to find you've ignored it in favour of snarking about me at someone else elsewhere in the thread. . It's not a good look IMO.
FYI this thread was well and truly meta by the time I arrived and despite that I managed to talk about the TPP, something you haven't done.
And calling long term duers trolls is a personal attack. Accusing anyone you don't like of being racist or sexist and then getting nasty when people ask you for links to support ur accusation is also Wrong. What's also really wrong is y claiming I don't know what's going on in this thread. It's blatantly obvious. When meta existed threads like this were a dime a dozen. So, what's going on in this thread is a lot of exploding heads. Messy but kind of entertaining.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It's just that simple.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)which was in response to his first attempt to deny that he attempted to mock the "chicken" and "watermelon" threads.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #103)
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I have a stalker here who does the same thing. I don't waste time anymore correcting the false claims, most people by now know they are false.
Going back YEARS to try to find something to turn into something it never was.
I couldn't imagine doing that even though most of us certainly could.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)If you are talking about manny, it makes you look a little silly for you to accuse me of making a false accusation when the accused acknowledged the offensive post and apologized for making it (before he started pretending that he didn't make the post that he apologized for)?
And it makes you look even more silly to defend manny here even after seeing the acknowledgement and the apology and (presumably) knowing that the post you're responding to was in response to manny's 1st attempt to vanish history.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Great!
Please refresh our memories. I don't remember it, at all.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You have no idea how you got to here:
While I'm not sure who's correct, I will say that my inclination is to not allow the bad guys to steal from us. A number of years ago, Republicans demonized the word "Liberal" so many Liberals started calling themselves "Progressives". I think that's a bad idea. We win by fighting, not by letting others claim whats ours.
In the case of my joking about Jewish foods, it struck me today that I was inadvertently being a little stupid (first time ever, right?), since my post could have been construed as "See black folks? I can have fun with foods that *my* people eat: why can't you?" But there's a reason that it's easier for me than for black folks: the Jewish experience in America has been unbelievably different than the Black experience. Jews have had some issues (e.g., the Italian Catholic kids used to beat on the Jewish kids when I grew up in Queens), but basically we've been as accepted into our nation about as smoothly as any other minority - perhaps even more smoothly than any other. Blacks, on the other hand, started off here with SLAVERY. @#$%ing SLAVERY. And for a century-and-a-half since that was over, they've suffered so many other depradations and degradations, terrible, terrible stuff. In their case, perhaps the pain is so great that it's best avoided rather than launching it back at the savages.
So, I apologize for my post. I should have been a bit more thoughtful.
No idea, whatsoever.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)greater concerns than the mere social groups, dontcha know. the $. which was all the way back to when? a good year ago?
i am told down below from him, we will find no more than a few posts, stating social issues are minor. (exactly what he said last week in a thread i am not hunting). i have to wonder why how many times a person says something should matter.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)repeatedly allege and then are unable to produce.
Your dancing around this issue is pretty clumsy, and your repeated accusations awful.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)While I'm not sure who's correct, I will say that my inclination is to not allow the bad guys to steal from us. A number of years ago, Republicans demonized the word "Liberal" so many Liberals started calling themselves "Progressives". I think that's a bad idea. We win by fighting, not by letting others claim whats ours.
In the case of my joking about Jewish foods, it struck me today that I was inadvertently being a little stupid (first time ever, right?), since my post could have been construed as "See black folks? I can have fun with foods that *my* people eat: why can't you?" But there's a reason that it's easier for me than for black folks: the Jewish experience in America has been unbelievably different than the Black experience. Jews have had some issues (e.g., the Italian Catholic kids used to beat on the Jewish kids when I grew up in Queens), but basically we've been as accepted into our nation about as smoothly as any other minority - perhaps even more smoothly than any other. Blacks, on the other hand, started off here with SLAVERY. @#$%ing SLAVERY. And for a century-and-a-half since that was over, they've suffered so many other depradations and degradations, terrible, terrible stuff. In their case, perhaps the pain is so great that it's best avoided rather than launching it back at the savages.
So, I apologize for my post. I should have been a bit more thoughtful.
Is, now, or was, from the jump, complete bullshit.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)That apology that you keep posting (but, oddly, without the offending post itself) ain't for a chicken and watermelon joke as you allege.
A strong black man - or any strong person - would apologize and stop digging.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Making a joke comparing A to B is still a joke about A even if you don't use those specific words. Just like, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." That's a penis joke even though the word "penis" isn't used. You just look silly here.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)As evidenced by 1SBM's repeated unwillingness to produce it, prefering to produce my apology and pretend what you're saying is true.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)that's why he posted that.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Good summary of this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6572266
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and you are pretty transparent. You know the gelfite fish thing was making fun of people being offended by the chicken/watermelon thing.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Seriously? How do you even come up with that? That's a leap Batman couldn't make. 
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You don't have to mention the word for it to be obvious what a joke is about. Were you active during that specific time period? Do you remember the timing of the gelfite fish thread to the chicken/watermelon thread. It was and still is very obvious what was going on, and it is no leap. It is ridiculous to try to say anything other than that's what that thread was about.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I don't remember the thread at the time. Looking at it now, I just don't see it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:13 AM - Edit history (2)
before some other persona took hold ... a persona that he believes can bend time and alter history.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)He always did what he thought was right regardless of the consequences or whom he might offend. Of course that was in the comic book days.
So many are afraid to do or say something they believe because they are afraid someone might be offended.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You don't see how on that context of that day on DU that it was not an obvious making fun of people objecting to the watermelon stereotype?
It is very subtle and clever because without saying it explicitly it still gets the message across that I can take gefiltle fish jokes and I'm Jewish. So why can't you take watermelon jokes?
And then hides behind well I did not say that exactly.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Especially since that is almost word for word his apology!
All this wide-eyed, "What???" looks bad on conservatives, but it looks far worse on "liberals/progressives."
treestar
(82,383 posts)sort of admitted it there in that apology. and now today it's all: point to where I ever said that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a rape week, or something really extreme, painful, frustrating.
he pulls an OP that was obvious, to ALL of us participating. and those not participating, or fans could ignore or be unaware or pretend otherwise.
that was the first mannie came on my radar. had ignored him previously. his subjects didnt interest me cause they seemed flame shit, hyperbole. i wish i could find the OP or remember just what it was. i got two hides on the thread, simply saying, the OP was hurtful, for what so many were experiencing on du at that time.
it is a game for him and friends. they got a lot of chuckles out of that thread, also. it hurts those he plays with.
anyone remember that, let me know. i would love to bookmark and familiarize myself with it again.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Maybe I'm missing the context, but no, I don't see the connection.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
When does one stand back, read her posts and say "I've defamed his character enough for one day". This is hurtful, rude and unnecessary - and yes, Manny is a big boy but no-one should be stalked and hounded with continuous personal insults that are no more than a chance to 'hopefully' hurt. It's gotten just stupid.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:24 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Get a grip, alerter. Manny's not whining about being abused, neither should you. Stop stalking seabeyond.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's Manny who keeps defaming people's character. Mocking, whining, bitching...
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not stalking. The poster invites criticism deliberately. No hide from me.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this whole thread makes me throw up in my mouth a bit.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
seabeyond!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Loving the view.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)right after you explain why you felt the need to apologize for something that you now claim you never said/inferred.
manny ... Please stop. Just let it drop ... you did something stupid ... own it and move on. You are making yourself look worse than you did in that "manny has a sad for his working class worker" thread.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)The problem in this case is actually not what Manny said or implied but rather what you inferred from his post.
Autumn
(45,066 posts) seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he used this wording for a reason. he is very specific on the chosen word. nothing is random or accidental. this was a jab, that he was willing to make, mocking black.
one can chose to see that i am too sensitive. one might question why manny so often is "misunderstood" by black and women groups.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)the same way he does. You see that as a jab and are offended by it. Are you offended at the jabs they post to Manny? Manny is Jewish, his people have had a lot of persecution also. No single group, not blacks not women have a lock on that As humans, all people are sensitive... no matter what group they belong to.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out for the very words he uses.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)Maybe we DUers who like Manny are calling people out for the very words that they use against him. And we who know Manny have been called some ugly words too, 'simpletons", that one actually got a hide, the manny fan club, his audience, sycophants. That's a few.
This is just from 2 alerts I saw on this thread,
Obvious troll
Here are some words used against Manny in just this thread.
Manny is called an ANUS up thread, a few other nasty comments in this thread about Manny self deleted by the poster, accused of using the the term "boy." to refer to Obama which is a lie, accused of addressing a Black man ( Obama, again in that posters mind )of being a teenager, another lie, the teenager in the OP referred to is Manny son. Racist, pathetic and transparent, biggest troll on DU. It goes on, yeah no problem with those, Right sea
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)saying on this thread.
in the past, we have had longterm popular posters do the same. people would call them out, and friends would deny, ignore, dismiss and defend that poster. eventually the poster gets kicked off.
then the friends are ANGRY at those that called them out. instead of taking responsibility and being a friend letting him know he was pushing it and to back off the bigotry or whatever offense
Autumn
(45,066 posts)outrage over words that they don't like by a poster they don't like. Work on getting enough hides on him, it only takes 5. Manny will get a forced vacation or banned.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)"I love Obama more then anyone" blanket and have had numerous "vacations" And back they come, again and again. Disrupting and spamming threads.
I just can't take this place very seriously anymore. This thread has been an amusing brawl. Nothing more nothing less.
As I said to you a few days ago. SPSLDD.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)It's so cold and rainy here. 38 degrees all day. The weather is making me
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Blue skies and 70. Been out in the garden all day. This is our last summer here. So it's bitter sweet.
However here is a picture of my garden down south that was taken this morning. I cannot wait.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)when we moved here. Please share some of that blue skies and warmth. 
Lucky you, the big move is close.
treestar
(82,383 posts)when people say they did not mean to offend in a sexist or racist way and it was the way the black person or woman took it that was wrong.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The OP is openly mocking the sensitivities of POC towed racist terminology and then claims it is inadvertent? Like they typed it accidentally? Fucking hilarious.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he typed something he thought was cute ... he thought about how his cuteness might have been taken (after people told him, exactly, how it was taken) and he apologized ... and that was pretty much the end of it ... until, for whatever reason, he came to believe that he could/can just deny his words.
Sad ... just sad. And worse that folks tolerate, and worst still, defend this conduct ... or should I say, character?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Honestly, the way so many are itching to dismiss the concerns of POC (and one threw in feminists for the hell of it) I think hes getting exactly the reactions he wanted. Reminds me of Palin on the campaign trail. There's no content in the OP, only an invitation to mock and demonize the "other". It's pretty transparent.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was just speaking to his initial "joke" post and his apology ... which I, honestly, believe was sincere, at the time it was made. But that was before he gained the celebrity following of the 3rd-way many character ... it has been downhill since then.
I suppose that this should be expected, as in order to maintain one's fan base, one must play to one's fans ... if they are dismissive of PoC, women, "the Others", that is where you must go. And, like with so many actors, the role eventually, overtakes the person, as the actor begins to believe his/her own press.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This many recs for skirting around calling the President a boy. It's pathetic and transparent at this point.
Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #78)
840high This message was self-deleted by its author.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts) sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)will happen. All you have to do is refuse to shut up about liberal policies and suddenly you're a star! lol!
treestar
(82,383 posts)To support them and leave their posts which are wrong under the TOS.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)regardless of who is being alerted on.
So of course it's not alright to vote based on whether or not you like the poster. Why would that even be a question?
treestar
(82,383 posts)and you never read the posted jury results? Or the results you get back when you are on a jury? Don't see how else you could seriously pretend there are not often juror comments that show they went on whether they agree with the content of the post to decide on it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Never. If he'd left the last sentence out of this one, it might seem to invite discussion on raising teenagers. That wouldn't get an alert. But he's not really trying to discuss that is he? He's comparing the President to a teenager while still preserving the ability to claim he never said that. And that's how he deals with the push back, just see below.
Besides, usually he wants the President to "lead" so it's really funny now he thinks he is "raising" him. It's just another pot shot.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That illustrates the weakness of this system. Personal attacks can stand if enough of the jurors happen to misuse the system to use it to get at whichever poster they favor or dislike
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And counting.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Considering you are being rightfully challenged you should be able to defend yourself.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)2 different things sir.
You are being rightfully challenged on your tactics.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)No i didn't alert on it but I want people to see it. It really pissed me off.
I get people sre pissed about TTP and with reason but using free republic language against the president is not appropriate imho.
My problem with you is not your opinions on TTP or Hillary but the way you present your arguments.
like this thread. Did you not think you would get a reaction from people when you posted this thread?
Did you not think I would not react whywhen you called the president a scoundrel?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and I doubt that is the goal, is that the OP is gathering more and more recs. Maybe it's because there is no discussion of the ISSUE, but attacks on the OP. DUers in general don't like to see that. I know, I have received dozens of emails when this has happened in any of my threads. It doesn't stop anyone from expressing their views, doesn't diminish any support they have. So to me, that is total failure.
'You catch more flies with honey' is still very true.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
This is not about recs but challenging him. You like him, great but others havd the right to different opinions.
there are plenty of people here who can't stand me and challenge me all the time.
That's life.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts) A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)My vote for post of the day.
Oh yeah, stupid alert.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) Marr
(20,317 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Perhaps it is because we are mothers.....but I cannot imagine it.
Given Manny's repeated stance on the President.....I don't understand the likening.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i told them how much they teach me. that it was not a one way street.
ya. i hear ya.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)And like you...that's because I listen. Not always well, but damn....
Number23
(24,544 posts)An actual child.
And not just a child. A recalcitrant, surly, dishonest one too!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)something they shouldn't be up to. That's a good quality for a parent to have.
Not all teenagers are perfect no matter how good their parents are.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)"scoundrel" is a term used by Victorian women fanning themselves and giving advice to debutatntes. Think Rhett Butler.
"Teenager" is a more modern term, but I admit I am uncomfortable at the implication of such a term. Historically, Black people have been infantilized by usage that does not reflect their age and position.
In the 1950s South, Black married women were not addressed as "Mrs." by White people, nor "Ma'am." They were called by their first names, or pet nicknames, or by a generic name that reflected their employment.....Cook, Nanny, Maid. Black men, regardless of age were not addressed as "Mr." but were addressed as "boy" or whatever nickname the White person chose.
I cannot imagine that any DUer would knowingly address a Black man with teenage daughters as a teenager himself. Certainly no one is ignorant of American history to that extent.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:33 PM - Edit history (1)
After the scoundrel comment I will not be pretending anymore.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I am gratified that Manny took my advice and has been more forthright in the terms he uses to address the President.
Because, you see, he hasn't deleted his OP...even though I've explained the historical implications of what he chose to use.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)to go, eventually.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)anymore. Why would someone delete an OP if the community didn't want it deleted? Have you read the rules of this forum?
I think it's a great system. Instead of a few people deciding the entire community does so. So I guess you'll have to respect that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to racism and sexism. i cannot imagine he is just trippin along in this mess of insult unaware. i have to believe it is done purposely. what does that say about the people that support him. and i gotta tell you, i am really really surprised on the support for some quiet racism and sexism. are people just pretending he is not saying what he is? or battle to win allows all things that can be gotten away with?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cause it is in your face. coy. he plays coy. i hate coy. coy makes me say it out loud
Response to seabeyond (Reply #244)
msanthrope This message was self-deleted by its author.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Can't imagine why any DUer would have to resort to being coy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)one to say stuff and not get hides.
i have never cottoned to passive aggressive. it is dishonest, in my opinion.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Yr the only person who's mentioned passive aggressive in this thread. And I suspect you may not know what it means.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #259)
msanthrope This message was self-deleted by its author.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Whistles that have been a constant for that party.
Seems it never bothered some, and they can still ignore it. I sure can't.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He has been insulated from what amounts to raw hatred and endless contempt for women and POC because they have enough green.
Can you imagine what bigoted republicans would say about his entire family in private? im guessing he's going to find out soon. Ain't going to be pretty.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... is that Obama is a "teenager" who has no right to become "indignant" when "questioned" repeatedly about things he has already expressed his opinion on, over and over again.
What you have also missed is that Manny G "knows" when "mischief is afoot" - and should NOT be "questioned" on his opinion of anything - lest he become "indignant" as a result of said questioning.
I hope that clears everything up for you.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)I think he meant he was against citizens,
united.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)united.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I seem to see this same stupid comment in other threads today. Is this something the anti Obama crowd has started using as their new snarky talking point?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)For some here, it's OK if a Democrat does it
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that comment got you some dap!
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Enough! Leave us a little flesh on our bones.
////////////////////
literally what do you think we will export?
there are only a handful of big manufacturers left...
catapillar,harley davidson,schwinn,ford, gm and maybe john deere
no trade agreement is going to produce a huge demand for these brands around the world but what there is a huge demand for is
OUR FOOD SUPPLY
hamburger is already 4 bucks a pound because our hay and grain is sold to japan and other asian countries (and because beef is listed as a commodity but that is a different fight)
open foreign markets translates to bidding for our own food supply
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The only people that aren't aware of this are people that have been living under a rock. It's about stripping our natural resources for pennies while returning to the American people cast-off garbage.
liberalhistorian
(20,818 posts)what will happen and why the TPP must be stopped. But what you describe is exactly what we and other western powers have been doing to too many non-first-world nations for many decades, continuing to now. It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The Grand Canyon should bring a good price.
merrily
(45,251 posts) Autumn
(45,066 posts)I know Doctors without Borders is against it because of the pharmaceutical section, they say that will really fuck poor countries over.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)it will stop generic drugs from being produced as it lengthens the patents protections timeframe...but it will not just affect poor countries
interesting story...20 years ago my daughter had a connective tissue disease, they treated her with an experimental treatment using a generic drug (predisone) it was about 4 bucks a month...it worked then they found you can treat all kinds of things with it
arthritis,ms,crohns disease,acme...there are several patented varieties now , humara was the first and it runs over 4500 bucks a month...yea it is in liquid form,you take a shot every 2 weeks instead of a pill everyday but basically it is the same drug that we had success with for 4 bucks a month
i think this was the med will's wife was denied thru the aca
imagine the lack of compassion it took to take a 4 dollar miraculous cure (her specialists' words) and change it into a $4500/month nightmare
treestar
(82,383 posts)We are still the world's biggest manufacturer. I was actually surprised.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)(Sorry, I couldn't help it.)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He's reducing Obama to his teenager.
Par for the course...
Arrogance abounds.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)deliberately referred to a Black man with teenage daughters as a teenager himself. No one can be that ignorant of American history, and the use of the term "boy."
I am sure this is a mistake.
JI7
(89,248 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)If I had a hammer picture I'd post it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And then leave the ability to say whomever? I didn't say that! Not exactly.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Happy hunting!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you're going to DENY the thread that got a couple hundred views ... BEFORE you apologized for your insensitivity in making the post ... and a couple 'nother views ... the last time you denied making the post several months later?
Wow, manny ... You've got stones!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I've never seen it. Obviously most people here never have. Manny denies it. If you have proof then post it already.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It is disgusting.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You apologized for the post that you now claim you didn't make. That's beyond "not cool" and moving into asshole territory.
I know ... I know ... ALERT - personal attack ... ALERT!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Nor is it even a joke.
Your spinning and nonsense isn't a joke, either. It's just sad, very sad.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but you had better hurry ... I'm pretty sure the "Friends of Manny" have alerted and I willsoon be out of this thread.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Perhaps a reading of it would help you, but why bother, amiright? More fun to make stuff up and hope that nobody checks the facts, yes?
As to your nonsense about alerts... I find your wailing and gnashing of teeth to be highly amusing in a thread where there have been at least three alerts lodged against me.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Gefiltle fish op?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)This is getting weirder by the minute.
Yes. You're dues are as paid up as anyone's.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Are your dues paid up?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)your annual dues for the "defend a manny fund" AKA the manny fan club.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I don't really keep up. My wife just pays when we get the statement in the mail.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)The sterling silver decoder ring Manny sent is very nice.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I sprang for the sweatshirt and hat too, so that might be slowing it down.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Kind of like a naughty little boy! 
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)it wasn't intentional.
Either way, the parenting and "behavior issue" analogy is condesending as hell and that was quite intentional.
Petty.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)purposeful and with intent
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)teenager. thought pretty arrogant reducing du'ers as a whole as kids. i am so fuggin tired of people arguing with insults. i stop at the insult and do not read their argument or point.
kath
(10,565 posts)DU.
You keep on keepin' on, Manny.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)posters here are more treasured.
And that should give you pause.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You should write copy for the Reader's Digest people--they'll lap that "he's a treasure" stuff up. And now, back to my Sunday morning, and I'll let you get back to the attempted character assassination of Mr Goldstein.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's about the smearing of Manny And about msanthrope's humorous word choice.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts) Autumn
(45,066 posts) This is weird, even for this thread.treestar
(82,383 posts)"ridiculous?"
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's amazing how much effort went into creating this post. I'm glad it's been properly deconstructed so y'all can see how hard I work to be bad.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)People - especially teenagers, but people generally - get pissy and defensive when you call them on their bullshit the way Warren called Obama about his bullshit on the TPP.
Just how this could have eluded so many ostensibly intelligent people existentially amazes me.
Keep it up, Manny! 
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)when i was seriously supporting the man, right? so wtf hifi
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Yes they do. I have some experience with that. Thank you for recognizing.
trumad
(41,692 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Trolling...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)But if it walks like a duck.....
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)My guess is it "evolves" or shuts its mouth. Either way is fine by me. Skinner is pro-HRC. We'll see how far down the rabbit hole we go.
trumad
(41,692 posts)It will stop.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Ain't it the truth.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)they whining about a personal attack.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)There's one person in this thread who can't alert for the rest of the day. 
kath
(10,565 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Quite a show!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
boston bean
(36,221 posts)and I don't mean you.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Glad to see people doing that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)don't like. I accept the fact that people are going to have many different opinions and mostly when I see certain names, I just pass them by. It's amazingly easy to do.
I don't kick threads I disagree with. It's counter productive.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You do it to me all the time.
and I will challenge Manny. Especially when he calls the president a scoundrel.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026547015#post7
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we don't agree.
I do NOT try to smear people personally, but will defend other good DUers when I see it.
The president is a public figure. How do you feel about people calling other Democrats nasty names?
'Scoundrel' is mild to what I've seen Democrats called here on DU.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)other things.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm not getting it.
So I can't 'tell ya about it' since I don't know what 'it' is!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is exactly what we are saying. the "points" continue to fly over your guy's head.
a populist group that works against democrats and social issues and us calling them out.
you see a snide post about teenagers. we see so very much more, starting a couple years ago.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)FOR Democrats which is why he approved it. But go talk to him and accuse him of working against Democrats. Talk about things flying over heads.
Sorry if you can't control everything on this forum. It's a Dem Forum, everyone in that group is Democrat and everyone in that group is working hard to GET DEMOCRATS ELECTED.
The very fact that you oppose getting Democrats elected is simply stunning. You should be in that group helping u to win back the Senate and Congress lost by the leadership of the party who abandoned great Progressive Dems leaving them to fend for themselves.
If that group upsets you, that's too bad because all over the country right now, there are Progressive Populist Groups working hard and succeeding, to get this party back into the hands of Democrats starting from the bottom up.
Who is this 'we' btw, this small disgruntled group that rarely offers anything positive to this forum? I could not care less about the opinions of other people, unless they are people whose opinions I respect.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)when they advocate not voting 2016 because they do not get their candidate they are working against this party.
i am sure skinner is well aware. now, you are one of my favorite people to put out my point and walk away. so, at this point of our interaction, i am done.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of not being Democrats. You don't get to do that and then decide it's 'done'.
The day you get your way and drive Democrats who happen to have opinions based on Democratic Party principles off this forum will be the day the forum will die. But I'm not worried about that, hundreds of Democrats belong to that group and it has been approved by the admins. Clearly the admins know better than to accuse good, life long Democrats who have worked for this party, many since childhood, of NOT being democrats. And to my knowledge that violates the TOS of this forum.
So take it up with them. But do NOT accuse Democrats on this forum of not being Democrats and expect to get away with it. You make statements like that and you can expect to be challenged.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)dems what teabaggers did to repugs.
fact.... fellow DEMS (populist) advocating not voting in 2016.
fact.... social issues are a minor issue, are not the issues that matter, are irrelevant.
you say they are not dems? well hell, that is on you. pretty damn sure it does not behoove us as a party with those telling us not to vote in 2016
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'Social issues are a minor issue' Wow! To teabaggers, yes. Libertarians are renowned for that particular sentiment.
Our entire system is FOR THE PEOPLE. Social Issues not important?? To Democrats?
I think I am speechless now, Dems = Teabaggers and Social Issues are 'minor'.
I don't understand your last sentence at all, so can't comment on it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and was not challenged.
sabrina, this subthread is not about convincing you of shit. not the purpose. it is putting out the fact and issue that we are addressing in this thread, for those that are not aware.
outta here.... i made my point. and twisting the story around to land on your feet doesnt fly.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that Democrats = Teabaggers, or that 'Social Issues' are minor to Democrats. YOUR WORDS.
Social issues, Civil Rights for Women, for AAs for all minorities, Gays, equal and civil rights. THOSE are Social Issues.
Not to mention, our Social Programs, like SS which is one of the Dem Party's most proud and successful Social Programs that has kept the Elderly, Orphaned Children, the Disabled out of poverty, and saved untold numbers of lives.
Medicare and Medicaid, another Social Program that keeps the poor and elderly from dying without care.
And Dems have to keep fighting off Republicans to keep those Social programs in place.
Social Programs and issues are one of THE most important platforms for the Dem Party.
There are no other issues I can think of that are MORE important.
It is BECAUSE of the Dem party's stand on these issues, that people ARE Democrats.
No wonder you don't like the Populist Dem Forum. But that's your right. As a Democrat no matter who doesn't like it, I and millions of other Democrats, see all the Liberal Organizations who fight for these Social issues, will continue to fend off the Republicans and protect these Social issues.
And that is what the Populist Forum is for. To support those Democrats who fight for these Social Issues and get them elected.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Damn, I would hope every Democrat would disagree with you on that.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
Here he is with his half-pint fans...Big Bad Buffalo Bob!
Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)On Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
You know when I *know* our teenager's up to no good?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026567163
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Obvious troll using Rove tactic 101: divide and conquer. What purpose does this op serve except to be disruptive? This is childish and beneath DU standards.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 25, 2015, 06:38 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This dude has been trolling DU for years. His shtick is old and starting to reek of desperation.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously?
Pardon me for asking, but is your issue more with the author, than the thought posted? Nothing here hide worthy, if one doesn't already have an axe to grind with the author.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)
ananda
(28,858 posts)So so apt!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) heaven05
(18,124 posts)is a boy, is clever? I've watched carefully this type of not so clever implication time after time, by many, who are not followed by me, because this OP poster just remains boring and arrogant to a fault. OP poster, just seems to be able to slyly sway people who want to be swayed easily to insult our POTUS with names that can be construed as having historical, racist implications by others. Not sly or pretty, just lemming like..
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Import and yet here we go again. Obama is a boy now, according to the OP.....and a whole lot of people are ignoring that elephant in GD to hoist him on their shoulders. Wow. More than a little embarrassed to see this ignorant dog whistling celebrated at DU. But it ain't the first time.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the last.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Insulted as being less than men for hundreds of years? It's sad that anyone who calls them self progressive can plead ignorance about it (again!) or excuse it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)is smarmy as hell.
In politics, to make an innocuous statement which is designed to trigger previously indoctrinated bigotry & hatred without being recognized by outsiders.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dog+whistle
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)they are boys, not men.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Not a man. And when called on it, retreats to playing the boo hoo, I've been pegged a racist card. Where have we seen that before? Never with allies.
Anything else I need to explain?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)As you said to me, anything else I need to explain?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Noted.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Same shit, different century. Palin herself never had to use actual racist statements to whip her supporters into a froth of hatred, so I guess it's all good until you're calling someone a ______, right?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Manny didn't mean anything racist at all. Intent matters.
I thought Manny was referring to the President's temper tantrum and how it was teenage boy like. Not that the President was a boy. How ridiculous to characterize what Manny said that way. And I have seen those teenage boy tantrums up close and personal. The President was way out of line in his response to Elizabeth Warren.
For a guy that is ordinarily under control even if the face of monumental abuse he lost his cool. He lets terrible insults from the Righties® roll off his back but was more aggressive toward Elizabeth than I have ever seen him. WTF? This was greatly disappointing to me.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)We can start a support group.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) heaven05
(18,124 posts)to not "see it that way at all". I stand by what I wrote in my response. Too many dog whistle, sly, slick round about insults leveled at this POTUS, that according to some are harmless remarks. If everything negative said about this POTUS in just Democratic Party circles were true, he would have been a one term POTUS. If TPP is as bad as people say, the malignant child of NAFTA, then to point out the mistake of the POTUS being on the wrong side of an issue is appropriate. Not this snide, implying dog whistle BS that I used to just find on sites that are RW. Yes I do go to sites like that to "know my enemy".
Sometimes I don't know, here, whether it's just political, which is expected and accepted in healthy disagreement or otherwise.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I am a fierce defender of civil rights. I would be very angry with Manny if he did that. I think you are being overly defensive of the President.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I stand by my post. I have been here a long time, long enough to get drift of a lot of the members. I stand by my post. Not going to change one iota. Your opinion is just that, yours. Have a good one.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)And when a hard core group of less than 5 or so, of the same folks every.single.time get bent over a Manny OP, it looks even less like a dog whistle and more like a cohesive attempt to shut down a DUer.
1strongblackman can't even produce the supposedly hideous chicken and watermelon post by Manny despite being asked for the example numerous times.
Your outrage over the use of "scoundrel" is even weaker. Again, as a bi-racial woman I'm attuned to dog whistles and this ain't one of them but thanks for crusading on "our" behalf...
.....or something. You do notice that most of the five or so folks who agree with you are not AA, except (purportedly) 1strongblackman.
This thread has devolved into such a train wreck this is my last post on it. Feel free to have the last word. I like you and you may be the only one who would "listen" amongst your group-of-outrage. The others don't really care to "hear" a differing perspective on this imo.
Peace.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I know a dog whistle, no matter how soft or analogous when I read or hear one. You should look at who pulled that train that ended up wrecked from the station and and why he drove it at top speed into this wreck.
I stand by my post. Period.
Manny has never impressed me one bit with his wit or analogies. Period.
His fan club here is entitled to defend him. I am entitled to totally, not.
Peace to you.
Number23
(24,544 posts)for my moniker will feel the need to now reply to me yet again with a bunch of bewildering inanities.
So I wanted to say I agree with your post and conduct my little experiment at the same time.
As for the bit about dog whistles, as I said upthread, these folks don't care. They make that as clear and plain as day. Some of these folks dog whistle like the most rabid Freeper to cheers from others here all the while patting themselves on the back with how "worldly" and "informed" they are. These are also the same folks who are never in a thread about racism and squirm like grubs when the talk goes to white privilege.
Like I said upthread, I'm glad to see so many calling them out and it is truly fascinating and extremely interesting to notice who here seems to be so utterly DISCOMFORTED by the notion of black folks, women and gays calling somebody out for their behavior. And the fact that the ones who seem so put out have NEVER shown any genuine solidarity with the Democratic party or the true members of its base should come as no surprise to anyone.
heaven05
(18,124 posts) Marr
(20,317 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) treestar
(82,383 posts)And I'd get pushback for posting about Elizabeth Warren acting like a teenaged girl, jumping onto a bandwagon created for her by the internet to get attention.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That he can claim he never said it. He knows we are in context able to tells what he means. He says not a word about the President. A newbie to DU would think he is just talking about raising teens.
But we know from his history and today's context and issues that he's making another of his so called critiques of the president.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I haven't heard that phrase in a while.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)to chime in as to why it's racist or sexist. Ya.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I'm peaches and cream with some strategically placed cinnamon sprinkles. And I'm a woman (who can bring home the bacon AND fry it up in a pan). Now don't go saying I'm "self-loathing"...
Destruction of public schools concerns me. Prohibitively expensive college educations. Job-killing trade agreements (hell-o, Obama and ConservaDems!). American cities in decay. Crumbling infrastructure (jobs just waiting to happen).
A woman (who just happens to be black) bent out of shape because some lily-whites wore dreadlocks to a music festival is way down on the list.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Hey,...it's a good excuse.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts) NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... full of substance and demonstrative of your inimitable insight. I especially appreciate your detailed analysis of a very complex matter, and the well-framed argument you've put forward in support of your position on the topic.
IOW, a real contribution to the discussion - as per usual!
I look forward to your next dozen-or-so OPs on the same subject, which will no doubt be forthcoming. I just hope they'll be written in more simplistic language, so that everyone can keep up with your dazzling grasp of a complicated process and its implications.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)What I don't like is seeing the same people popping up over and over again resorting to personal attacks rather than discussing the issue, in this case the TPP...
kath
(10,565 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Which is why I came forward to praise Manny's insightful "discussion of the issue" of the TPP.
As per his usual OPs, Manny has yet again risen above "personal insults" in order to educate us all - repeatedly - on the intricacies of an international trade agreement, and the impact thereof.
Thanks to his uncanny grasp of complex issues, along with his detailed information on the important topics of the day, I always come away from Manny's multiple posts on the same subject feeling fully educated on the matter at hand. Over and over. And over.
I, for one, anxiously await his next OP on the same topic - because he never lets go of a topic that is important enough to garner "recs" from those here who appreciate his uncanny ability to repeatedly say nothing of substance with the same inimitable flair and style.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)And he always gets a lot of 'recs' from those who think he's insulting the right people - the actual substance of what he says being irrelevant.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... based on their insight, and ability to discuss complex issues - the OP herein being a perfect example of said insight and ability.
I guess I'm just one of those people who look for things like facts, and an actual discussion of same. Your mileage may - and obviously does - vary.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)Manny and toss insult's in every single thread of Manny's because his very act of being here at DU and getting recs offends you. I'm grateful that my mileage obviously varies from yours. I consider that a complement. Thank you.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Really? Do you want to back that up with links?
I have discussed my thoughts on the TPP, and other issues, in threads that actually warrant discussion. I don't see an irrelevant OP about what Manny *knows* about his teenager as being relevant to anything of value.
I really don't care how many "recs" this kind of bullshit garners - in fact, it's kind of a given these days.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)I'll give you that but it's a rare one you aren't in nance
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... it's a rare one I post a reply to. Most of the time, I don't even open his threads, no less participate in them.
Manny's OPs are like streetcars - if you choose to miss one, there will be another one - and another one, and another one - along any minute.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)is NOTHING.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)They're kind of hard to miss. Y'know, the accusations of trolling and stuff. Nothing to say about those?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It'd have been more accurate if you'd said: 'when OP consistently has opinions I disagree with...I'm not going to speak out when people throw personal attacks at him.'
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)What you posted made no sense so I don't really know what you were trying to say, hence the question...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he talks exclusively about tpp and warren. what are my position on those two subjects? you do not know shit, yet feel you have it right on to talk for me, saying i disagree on those subjects,
right?
now. i am done doing this petty.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)See, it's pretty damn hard to take someone seriously when they're conjuring up personal attacks on themselves out of posts where they weren't even mentioned and even the most super sensitive soul can't see the connection, yet totally ignoring and justifying attacks on someone where they're openly called a troll and other stuff...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i wont hold my breathe for any kind of consistency from you.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And the only thing I've been doing is pointing out the inconsistency when it comes to personal attacks. Surely you agree that it's wrong and a personal attack to call other long-term DUers trolls? It doesn't matter if someone agrees with their views on issues or not. It's wrong.
on edit: I see that you answered the question I asked a bit further downthread where you posted this agreement http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6568330 in response to someone saying that an alert calling Manny a troll was 100% spot on.
This is where you and I disagree. Even if I don't like someone, I don't agree with them being called a troll.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)If you had, you wouldn't have done a rerun of yr post that I replied to in the first place. See, I disagree with you. I think Manny does have things of substance to say, and I only wish those who have no other tactic than to respond to him with snark and calling him a troll etc would develop a bit of substance and decide to try to discuss issues and not Manny...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)You think I don't agree with you? Never saw that coming.
Just for my edification, could you point out the "substance" displayed in this OP, and how he has "discussed the issue" of the TPP?
I seem to have missed the "substance and discussion" part. Hopefully, you can enlighten me as to where they are.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)i see however that it's escaped you.
Sucks.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... is meant to clarify an issue, and is not to be used in lieu of clarification.
What has "escaped me" is a sound argument based on facts. What we have here instead is a fact-free diatribe based on nothing of substance.
But there are those here who are more than content with such ramblings - regardless of how repetitive those ramblings are, and how often they are posted.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Obama's recent attacks on members of his own party on the TPP are unprecedented in his presidency.
He doesn't even call out republicans like this.
It's actually enlightening to see this point go over whose head, whose desperately trying to paint him as a racist, and whose upset that Manny's pointed this out...very enlightening.
But please carry on. I love the smell of obtuseness in the evening...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... yes, 2.5 sentences that say nothing of substance.
I guess it's that lack of substance that goes over my head - as most hot air without depth or density has a tendency to do.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I was going to write something longer, maybe a 15 word sentence, but I'm worried someone may come along and accuse me of not only doing a diatribe, but a marathon diatribe!!
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)hope that wasn't too long...I can carry on so.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)This thread's been enlightening and kind of fun
L0oniX
(31,493 posts) 
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)<rambling rant> Let's all work on being less verbose, rambly and ranty!</rambling rant>
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Look it up.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Especially since yr one of the people I was talking about when I spoke out against the attacks I see.
I'm also absolutely positive you and I have differing ideas of what substance and discussion is. See, I don't think focusing on another DUer and attacking them while ignoring the issues is substance nor discussion. In fact, I think it's fucking lame shit and I wish people would stop.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... while posting endless OPs without substance that I have a problem with. You obviously don't.
If we have "differing ideas of what substance and discussion" consists of, perhaps you can explain for me what "substance and discussion" the OP herein contains.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Manny mentioned the TPP. I've yet to see you talk about anything but Manny.
Perhaps I won't explain anything for you. I think you've just got to accept that not everyone agrees with what you think and move on.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... agreement or disagreement. It has to do with substantive discussion.
Yes, of course, Manny mentioned the TPP: "Now about the TPP ..."
If that qualifies as "discussing issues" for you, so be it.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Because as I mentioned before, you've done nothing in this thread but talk about Manny.
Y'know, I'm only speaking for myself, but based on what I've seen of you, I really don't give a shit what you think is substantive or isn't. I know what I find important at DU is a combination of good writing, humour, talking about issues that I find important, and generally being nice. What I don't find important or particularly appealing is people who run round sniping at others instead of focusing on issues. In fact, the petty personal attacks shit me.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Talking about issues is important.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Because Manny isn't an issue...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)resort to cursing and diatribe when you ruffle their feathers. You're wasting time on a manny lemming. Not worth it.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... it is pointless.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I like a lot of people at DU. I'm no more their lemming than I am Manny's. Seriously, some of this stuff in this thread is pretty immature...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Agreed.
And first and foremost would be the OP that prompted this thread.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It's not like it's calling for another DUer to be banned or calling other DUers trolls or racists or puppy kickers or something like that.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)That's a big part of the problem.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And also why you were agreeing away with some stupid 'Manny lemming' thing aimed at me?
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)I believe you have attributed more importance to yourself than is warranted.
Your mileage may - and obviously does - vary.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It's not rocket science and I don't place much importance at all to myself. It's not like I brag incessantly about myself like others do...
This was in response to you replying to me and they called me a 'manny lemming.' Or did you think they were calling you one?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6570837
Anyway, you still haven't explained how the OP is worse than people calling other DUers trolls and sexists and racists...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... that the only "manny lemming" being referred to is you. There are quite a few to choose from.
"Anyway, you still haven't explained how the OP is worse than people calling other DUers trolls and sexists and racists... "
Why do you think I am somehow obligated to respond to a question you have decided to pose, or - more to the point - why I am somehow obligated to knock down the strawman you have decided to erect?
I didn't raise the topic of "how the OP is worse than people calling other DUers trolls and sexists and racists". YOU did.
So answer your own question.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)They said 'You're wasting time on a manny lemming.' in response to you replying to me. This may come as a shock to you, but people can like DUers you dislike without being 'lemmings'. If I liked you or admired yr writing style, that wouldn't make me a 'nance lemming' because I make up my own mind about what and who I like and don't give a shit about immature labels like that...
Uh, you did raise the topic yr now denying you raised. Here's what you said:
'Agreed.
And first and foremost would be the OP that prompted this thread.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6573708
So, you going to answer the question I asked about that?
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Here's what you do. Click back until you get to it. If yr still not understanding it, click on the post I was replying to. There's you saying '
And first and foremost would be the OP that prompted this thread.' Seeing you don't want to explain why you find the OP immature or why you think it's first and foremost the immature one above posts calling a DUer you clearly dislike a troll, racist, sexist, or that whole 'many lemming' thing yr on board with, I'll make the rather safe assumption that yr not here for any sort of genuine discussion...
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)If I could comprehend what you're trying to say, I would attempt to respond.
But I literally have NO idea what you're talking about.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)What you do is you read what you said, then you read what I said. Then if you still don't understand what's not particularly complex, you tell me what words you don't understand and ask me to rephrase it.
Here's a shorter version. What's immature about the OP that makes it first and foremost more immature than the troll accusations?
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)No, I did NOT say anything about it being "more immature than the troll accusations".
YOU did.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Oh-kay. Clearly I've got a way to go with my AESL skills!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)regarding it.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)That's a whole lot more than others are doing. They're kinda too busy talking about Manny to mention the TPP, let alone talk about it.
Me, I don't like the secrecy around the TPP. There's real concerns over here that the pharmaceutical bit will damage our PBS (that's our subsidised prescription medicine) and blur the lines between public and private health systems. There's also the sugar and wheat farmers who suspect they'll be left out of any agreement because the US refuses to let them into the US market. And with the RW govt we've got here, no-one trusts the govt when they say 'trust me! this will be good for you!'. I also don't like this stuff I'm seeing about it being motivated by shutting China out. China's one of our biggest trading partners. While we trade with the US, it's not in any big way, so I'm not seeing how this will be good for Australia.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Good to see that things are working out better between us.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Why waste time actually discussing the TPP when talking about your teenager's attitude about answering questions is so much more interesting - not to mention incredibly insightful!
:
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)No matter how far I follow the bogus link trail, I've yet to see the watermelon and fried chicken joke that Manny is being (falsely as far as I can find) accused of.
Link to it or be a willfully malicious fucking liar, I say to the accusers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)being on a democratic board and sensitive to the democratic progressive social issue, most of us are educated on how to look at language, and communicate, interact and discuss.
seeing that most of the people in this thread that are batting heads are long timers, knowing each other, thoughts, issue and communicating style, you would think listening would be a part of this venture.
and you would think, when seeing so many in groups.... group issues, like blacks and women, that maybe we might be seeing something you have been allowed to turn your head away from.
then, since we are democrat on a progressive board, you would think there might be some pondering on why groups have issue with one particular sole.
reading this thread, i want a shout out to william to ask, if this particular group has run into this issue, also.
when manny tells me that i am a minor issue. that women are a minor issue. that blacks are a minor issue, we as progressive democrats get to give him the finger, and we should have support from every person in this thread.
you do not know? fine. you ignore. but we are not gonna go back a year and so, hunting down to show you in so many ways, how we arrive at now.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)does that give me license to lie and twist?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)to whine or be indignant about ignorance.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lol
what a fuggin' hoot.
dude, say something of substance, so i at least know what i am addressing.
heaven05
(18,124 posts) NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)You are entitled to your own opinion, Seabeyond, but not your own facts.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)she tells us what happens without making us see the actual posts that are so offensive our heads might explode. because there are many bad posts. almost all of them are bad in fact, telling us to ignore various people and their concerns. and we don't ever have to be upset by seeing them. thanks to seabeyond.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you can say something, and it will be right there in front of your face. and you will deny it. kinda like the 5 yr old (since you are giving examples using children and parenting, which i found yours to be a failure in arrogance alone. arrogance is what one does NOT use with a teenager if htey are hoping for any kind of success and connection. might be why yours gets his back up.), kinda like the 5 yr old that eats a cookie and says, no i didnt. and will not go off the statement. as i look at all the crumbs on his face. and take him in front of the mirror, and lovingly, with giggles and play, point out the crumbs and chocolate. sometimes, i do not need to take the kid to the mirror. sometimes, i ALLOW them their lie. i always say it out loud so they know, whether they deny or not. own or not. they know i know. first, cause they do not get clued to what to hide. like wiping that mouth clean, so i am one step ahead. and sometimes, they should be allowed to just be "bad" and not disciplined or made aware, or lectured..... in all things.
but then. that is just my parenting style.
hence you all flippin out over teenagers? well.... piece of cake. i have two. one turning 20 and one working to 18. funnnnnn....
my point being manny.
last week you stated in a post that social issues are minor. clear as a bell. you have stated and implied elsewhere. hence, you saying below i would only find a few posts stating your position that as a populist the $ was more important than social. you know. the $ more important than blacks and women.
posters on this thread can insist their voice for equality and they accept nothing less. but, you do give those words, and your friends are ignoring those words and defending you (as a friend, i would be like.... bothered, that you do that to me. or, i would recognize my stance on the social issues are not so concrete. other things take priority). i didnt read all of sabrina above, but isnt she saying NO dem says social issues are minor?
well there you go. friend is also telling you, dems do not say that.
(i didnt read her whole post. we start to get to silly in interaction and i do not play)
so.
last week you said, social issues minor to the $
you cant own it?
i really have to go out and find the post and post it for you?
see. when i hold a position, i continue to be able to put the position out there clearly. when someone asks what my position is, i tell them. you can go to my past, and besides learning, i pretty much hold a consistent position. if i said it last week, i would clearly say it again, without someone having to pull up a post.
but.... the last week. i am seeing posters say... link it. link it or it did not happen. i sould be able to say, hey mannie. didnt you post last week that social issues are minor? and you should be able to answer. not say.... post it or it did not happen.
that is so bushco. i do not respect that much. and i am certainly not playing. not gonna buy a star to be able to do a search to put forth what you said a week ago. what you are probably saying in populist group.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)right?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Pretty unlikely that I did because I don't feel that way.
Can you so us a link to back up your attack, or are you fabricating this stuff?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or it did not happen?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Now let's see that link to my post, thanks.
treestar
(82,383 posts)How is this op about the tpp? It is about raising teens.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I have no problem skipping any OP with your name attached to it.
Mainly I find your posts boring and just a lot of hot air, with very little insight of the subject you like to talk about. Well, mostly I find you like to talk about yourself,....and well B O R I N G
Why do you find it so hard to skip Manny's posts...because of course your dripping sarcasm makes it clear you find his posts worthless?
Answer me that if you dare.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I usually don't read any of her posts here either but scroll past to responses.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Nance, your understated rapier wit is always appreciated.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)with all due respect your bar is somewhat low.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)It would be a rare occasion for me to read what you post, but by the time I see one of your posts it's pretty much over anyway.
840high
(17,196 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lol lol. true.
carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)and the best Dems being the most eloquent about not trusting this process
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Haven't seen the Jury Resuts Yet... Will post them though.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)The peanut gallery seems particularly aggrieved this evening
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6567635
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
OK, Manny is so cool, he posts divisive threads and gets everyone at each other's throats. But calling DUer's "the peanut gallery" like they are insignificant shits? Plainly telling us all that he regards those that disagree with him as "less than" and not Democrats, too? He trolls constantly, and poorly. Bad enough he infantalizes/denigrates the POTUS with barely veiled racism and watermelon jokes, but this kind of thread makes DU suck and these kinds of comments don't build DU community. Keep driving people away Manny, it's what you do best. The admins need to check you, because You Better Believe It, your schtick IS getting old. Don't care if this doesn't get hidden--someone needs to say that what you are doing sucks, Manny. You should be ashamed of yourself.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 25, 2015, 08:48 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I like Manny but this is a childish poster-blast that contributes nothing of substance.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Put him on ignore then, if you don't want to read his stuff.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I normally don't vote to lock the author of an OP out from his own thread, but I agree with the comment.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Some people will do anything for attention.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Who alerted on this? Just curious...
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Three alerts on me (that we know of) in one OP.
Someone wants blood!
Why don't these people just use ignore? Unbelievable.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Like when I challenged you on your scoundrel comment.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026547015#post1
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)People suffer.
People's lives are shattered.
People become homeless.
People die.
To subject millions more Americans to this, all so that some rich people can get richer, is barbaric.
And that you should be more concerned with which word I used, than with the enormity of the human suffering that is proposed... use your head here. You're smarter than this.
How many more children have to live in cars before you begin to think that maybe the people who do this to us are not swell people?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Your ranting against TTP is not the issue here But your tactics are. I DON'T SUPPORT TTP.
you knew damn well what response you would get to this thread and you wanted to get it so you can act like you are being attacked.
You may have some fooled here Manny but I don't buy your Mary Mother of God routine here.
I know this seems harsh and might get my second hidden post here but people need to stand up to you.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)have you ever shown as much upset about what Republicans and Third Wayers are doing to destroy lives, as you're showing, right now, because some nitwit on the Internet used a word that's not to your liking?
You're better than this.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I post on a wide variety of topics.
I understand you don't like it that I'm standing up to your routine but you need to know I will not just shut up and post something else. I will continue to challenge your tactics so get used to it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)as forcefully as you challenge some phantom on the Internet.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Oh and I can challenge your behavior here at the same time.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)but I sure don't recall seeing them.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)President Obama disagrees with your conclusions. So you do ad hominem about him, not argument supporting your contention that the TPP would result in these horrible things.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And given who else is for and against the TPP... one can only wonder why you choose to defend it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)rather than making a decision yourself?
Each of these agreements is complex, so your generalized All Free trade Agreements are Bad is subject to a lot of debate. But that would take some analysis, and not be able to be posted in ten seconds. At least there you are doing more than simply following the internet rage against it that Elizabeth Warren just picked up on and has also failed to explain just why all these things will happen as a result of implementing the TPP.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)rather than in one specific action.
'Bullying is characterized by an individual behaving in a certain way to gain power over another person.'
'Research indicates that adults who bully have authoritarian personalities, combined with a strong need to control or dominate. It has also been suggested that a prejudicial view of subordinates can be a particularly strong risk factor.' (op. cit. 'peanut gallery'...)
'Often, bullying takes place in the presence of a large group of relatively uninvolved bystanders. In many cases, it is the bully's ability to create the illusion that he or she has the support of the majority present that instills the fear of "speaking out" in protestation of the bullying activities being observed by the group.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Fabulous!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I guess that's how certain people feel about facts and evidence.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Other than that you are attempting to be a word smith. Your op requested no facts or evidence. You are backpedaling like a pro. Now go send some more alerts. zero facts or evidence in your op. Just you calling a grown ass black man a boy. Your crew is cheering you on. Good job.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)pissed off over that scandalous word. indignant.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Manny does what Manny wants to do.
This is how it works...
Internet + anonymous poster+ adoring audience= silly immature threads like this one.
I fully expect this to be alerted on and it will probably be hidden. There are different rules for different posters here.
Anyone that would even argue that this thread was anything other than a way to divide DU further isn't fooling anyone. Exactly what was supposed to be discussed? TPP? Sure and I have a bridge to sell and beach front property in AZ.....
WillyT
(72,631 posts)I don't think so.
Definitely not.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)100%
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Weekends belong to the anti everything group. I have found that out almost three months ago when I happened to offend a certain poster, and was alerted on "twice" and accused of stalking him from post to post. It was my only hides in 7 years of posting. Actually I trying not to post more than a couple of times in these threads simply to avoid the "stalking" patrol that shows up on the weeks to squash any decent from those who disagree with their leaders.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Skinner's said that the alert system isn't to be used for personal attacks on other DUers. That alerter's way out of line with that one. There's an alert thingy at the bottom of the email notification you got. You should click on it and make sure Skinner sees it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Damn. That juror #6 really got het up, eh?
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)One of the things I've always enjoyed is watching the dilemma a coach faces when a star player has three fouls. Often that player can still be effective, but really needs to be more careful under the basket. If the player picks up that fourth foul, it becomes an even more difficult decision, as that fifth foul means ejection from the game. There's so little going on in politics right now, I've obviously had more time to follow the NBA playoffs.
FSogol
(45,481 posts) msanthrope
(37,549 posts)anything as beautiful as the walk off homerun. You have to play the long game, carefully calculating the game of inches. The strike zone is sometimes in your favor, sometimes not.
840high
(17,196 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)Not remembering anything of that user but the name, I'm in the dark about why a particular group keeps implicitly accusing various current posters of being zombies/sockpuppets. If that indeed is what they are getting at?
Marr
(20,317 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)that use it over and over and over and think it's just the funniest thing ever.
YBBI was a troll however whenever I see it used I remember that RWingers aren't known for their humor.
neighbor tim
(45 posts)
midnight
(26,624 posts)
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Too funny.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)social issues are not where it is at.
go away.
shoo.
interesting, right?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i do not need to hunt the last couple years manny. and tomorrow you will do it again. i have no doubt
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Somehow, they never appear.
Oh, well.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)about your teenager manny. it really is not that hard, and you are not near as clever as you believe.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that you readily admit for all on du to see only a few posts like that.
how many times do you have to say something for it to be meaningful? simply stating that there are no more than a few, clearly tells us what you stand with.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Consider your behind thoroughly covered.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I think I'm going to go look for a hornet's nest to whack with a broomstick.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I guarantee you, in her own neighborhood, there isn't a democrat that participates in our party who knows her.
GUARANTEE
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I'm so bookmarking this thread!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I think that was during the shift to DU3 when I was taking a bit of a hiatus. From what I've heard it was quite the adventure.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)And there's one featuring heavily in this thread who seems to have totally forgotten that they were the focus of one or two pile-ons back then and how they felt when it was aimed at them. It's like watching a bunch of little kids in the playground picking on one kid one week and then the next week that kid appears as leader of the pack picking on someone else.
Ah, but I'm just jealous coz no-one picks on me
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)If we ever go back to Meta, I'll go out of my way to pick on you so you won't feel left out.
malthaussen
(17,193 posts)You know a politician is lying when his lips are moving; you know a teenager is up to no good when he is breathing.
-- Mal
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cause i almost always made good choices, it allowed me to get away with the times i stepped out. lol
both my boys have mastered that and they are 17 and 20.
i can appreciate. and say, thanks guys. for making life so very fuggin' easy
moondust
(19,979 posts)Git yer drone insurance here!
Step right up and git yer dron 
Tab
(11,093 posts)That'd get my attention.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks Goddess!
Unlikely, given who he is (half his genetics come from his mom) and where we live (suburb of Boston with an incredibly laid-back police force). But... it could happen...
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)My sister's two daughters are 14 and 17 now; the oldest soon to be 18 in less than a week. My sister died in 2006, when they were 8 and 4. Bottom line up front, they're struggling without their mom.
Your comment sums up so much about what they are going through right now and how I can better assess the situation.
TYY
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)and particularly in that situation... so sad, and even more difficult. My heart goes out to them and to you!
A short story:
My sister is a psychologist, smart as a whip but also tough, pragmatic and a problem-solver. Any time we have a problem in our house, she has suggestions on how to make things better. Always. Until a few years ago, when our son started becoming teenagery. I explained his behavior and was shocked to hear her say "Oh! He's becoming a teenager! There's nothing you can do to make that not suck. I can recommend a few books that will help you to cope a little better with how much it will suck, that's about it."
I guess that mostly, we need to live through it.
Good luck to all!
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...everyone took something different from your thread...
Thank you so much, Manny, for replying to my post.
TYY
Rex
(65,616 posts)Wow, did you ever yank some chains or wut!?!?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I have no idea of what the hell happened. I tapped a few keys then looked up to see 106 tons of flaming dung hurtling towards my head.
840high
(17,196 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)As in give up?
merrily
(45,251 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)You haven't taken into account that all that impotent rage and huffing and puffing multiplies the energy produced nearly tenfold!
Rex
(65,616 posts)GD alone could probably power a large size city.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I reckon it'd look pretty awesome and threads like this one would have massive angry red areas in them
Rex
(65,616 posts)
Pure energy.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I've discovered a fun way of making sure it gets most of the way there
Rex
(65,616 posts)I'd rather yuck it up than foam at the mouth.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)So I'm starting my own Yuck It Up Crew. I'm going to be very discerning about who can join coz I don't want anyone sneaking in who doesn't have a sense of humour or think that themselves frothing at the mouth is them just having fun. You get automatic membership, though I am very worried that in making you a member, I'm going to be accused of being a lemming and being in yr fan club. I'm starting to lose track of all the fan clubs I'm finding out I'm a member of!
Whoo hoo! It hit 500 posts! My work here is done!
Rex
(65,616 posts)And if you are into Mai Tai Treehouse parties...well they won't let me in anymore after I accidentally (they say on purpose, but that is just a technicality) threw little Jerry Stone out of the tree house window!
It was a prank! Geez...never get back in now at this rate...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)from the 'manny club' could power many balloons in a hot air balloon race to the finish to see who is the most ardent and fervent admirer. Wow did this thread open my eyes to the DU 'club' within the forum here. Amazing and sickening.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You give him far too much praise imo.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)No praise for the personality cult 'manny club' here at DU. Just pointing out the truth of hot air on this thread praising the "wit" and other misnomers about someone who, in my opinion, and many others by the way, does not deserve that praise. That someone, who's arrogance and disrespect in calling the POTUS. boy, is applauded by many in his cult in the same sly manner of the one they are applauding. You have it backwards, but nothing new there.
Rex
(65,616 posts)What are you foaming at the mouth about? Do I even know you? Hmmm...nope, I guess you just jumped into this thread because your particular crew was losing bad and needed backup.
I kid, seriously who are you again?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)With a few taps of my fingers, I can summon hordes of angry netizens to tell me how much I suck.
Who, I ask, wouldn't be envious of that sort of power?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)As usual, it's about you. U betcha.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Something, something.
randome
(34,845 posts)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)lol, omg. See, I gotta tell ya, it's been real, but I gotta things to do, plenty, if ya know what I mean. So it's been real, but I gotta do some stuff, y'know. lol. later. we all know when someone puttiin' lemons in the fuggin lemonade, lol
I'm so outta here, thanks fear the laughs, lol
closeupready
(29,503 posts)On Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
lol. I'm so fuggin outta here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6573956
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This poster is mocking another Du'er. Bonobo is a host to the men's group and spends all his time on DU attacking our Feminist group. There was no reason for this attack on another member. Rude, disruptive and over the top.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 27, 2015, 12:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster's words are mild as far as ridicule is concerned. The alert seems to be a reaction to previous posts this person has made, rather than this actual one. And I'm only judging this one, so I vote to Leave Alone.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster is frequently RUDE. ARROGANT.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a very strange alert. If I were one for conspiracy theories, I'd think this alert were an attempt to cast shade on the Feminist group by causing a jury backlash. But anyway, the poster is mocking teen-speak in response to a post that references teenagers.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not seeing it. All kinds of DU members are mocked by armchair M.D.'s, bioengineers, and other self-styled experts, so no, I'm not seeing how this should be an exception in any way. Voting to leave.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I wanted to post something similar, but I figured I would get a hide. Amazing that you survived 6-1.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Heads exploding everywhere.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Just get it out of the way and call him a boy.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's a little tough to take you seriously.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Calling a grown ass black man a boy is bullshit and shouldn't be allowed here. It is obvious. There is also nothing about the post you linked that has to do with evidence or facts. Your little slight of hand tricks are getting old. Maybe you should stick with your fried chicken and watermelon jokes. I like the way you do you dishonest little link thing though. Very similar to the way you act like you are attacking from the left.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But every word that you said is 100% true.
DU is a (very tiny) microcosm of the world. I find it fascinating that in a thread full of women, gays, clued in whites and black people saying we are sick and tired of the sleight of hand crap from this OP, there is a group absolutely DETERMINED to minimize what we're saying and accuse us "race baiting" and being "apologists" -- what the fuck any of us is "apologizing" for is truly the question. If anyone is being an "apologist" it's the folks crawling out of the woodwork to stake their claim in support of a poster that has a long and well documented history of dismissing and pissing off minorities -- hardly a stance I'd want to be making anywhere and particularly on a Democratic web site.
But if that's where they wish to stake their claim, so be it. They're not the first and sure as hell won't be the last to try and tell minorities to shut up and that we are simply "misunderstanding" someone's regular and repeated dog whistles. I actually suggested upthread to 1SBM that he stop trying to draw attention to this poster's history because his fans won't care. But now I'm glad that he and a whooooooole bunch of other people didn't.
I like the way you do you dishonest little link thing though. Very similar to the way you act like you are attacking from the left.
Yep, yep and yep. 
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The USA is already fine on social justice issues.
Ignorance. They'd be libertarians if Paul wasn't such a wack job.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)yet when I open it I see no new replies.
I'm able to completely control my experience on DU and so are all of you.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)I know that wasn't your intent, you were going for more of a patronizing "eat your peas" teachable moment, but you might as well compare the TPP to circumcision (there's a tip joke in there somewhere.) This post only gets 2 out of 5 sensible woodchucks, bonus woodchuck for wreaking so much havoc with so few words, but I'd leave the folksy anecdotes to the experts (like, aren't we supposed to be pro-mischief?)
Marr
(20,317 posts)From lame attempts to call him a racist to the usual not-so-oblique troll accusations.
But my personal favorite has to be the 'bully' interlude. It's rare that you get to see 20 people attacking one person while calling them a bully.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)No, I don't catalogue your stated positions.
But generally speaking, it's hard not to notice that the people who jump so aggressively on Manny's posts are the same people who reflexively defend the decisions of the Obama Administration. Not that I think they're always wrong-- I don't. But they are conspicuously consistent in these defenses.
Do you disagree with that?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)couple weeks, with clintons announcement. seeing particular behavior with the populist group and then tpp, throwing in warren.
so, from the position of obama? i have never participated in that drama of it all. i have in the past ignored most of the hyperbole. not my thing.
lately, anyone who speaks up is labeled tpp fans or whatever. lies about clinton called out, and we are all her supporters.
i am not a tpp fan, i am not a clinton supporter, and i love warren.
i am tired of all of us being grouped in that manner, because we call out the bullshit we are seeing now.
i see what you are saying "apologist" now, referencing obama. i had not even considered that angle yet.
Rex
(65,616 posts)THIS THREAD is ALMOST as bad as the standard meta forum thread - complete with 'crews' with their own agendas and other 'crews' following around there cult leader MANNY GOLDSTEIN! Who clashes with other cult leaders here...some of which have been here far longer than Manny has! Cults and crews and swarms called into to protect well really they are gangs of roving pretend outrage to yank the chains and blow the dogwhistles!
YEP YEP...this is all about honesty and sincereness on the part of ALL the posters here in this thread! REALLY they are THAT concerned with each other!
NO WONDER we can never have nice things on DU!
Sometimes I wonder why I quit taking this place seriously years ago...then I read a META post in GD and remember.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)BTY: Your third rail went out of the park, while the other two went to town. How do attract such attention, are you that way in person?
K & R while on the floor
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I had an incident with my kid, thought a funny thought, typed it in, then looked up to see 106 tons of flaming dung heading toward me.
I have an odd writing style, although I don't know what makes it odd. It just is. Even growing up, teachers either totally loved or totally hated my writing.
Thanks!
