this is not meta. this is not du. this is not whining. .... this is our political party.

[seabeyond]

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it is the conversation. it is a conversation i am having repeatedly with fellow duers.

i like to understand, and part of that is communication. this is a discussion board after all. we should all excel at communication. especially since most of us have been talking to each other for a decade, lol.

ah the coy.

my political views. the last couple weeks i have had people assuming what my political views are. they have been telling me what my political views are. i tell them they are wrong. for those that accuse to please tell me what they think my political views are. that i will correct them. they have all refused to even ask.

i have it all over the board. not hard to have an honest conversation with me. so..... i am doing this OP to talk about, talking about our political views. i think that is a start. anyone else?

seabeyond (100,541 posts)
189. you can't answer? damn right you cannot answer. so please quit saying you know what my position

is.

how dishonest to not tell me my position. i know you cannot tell me, cause you already made the wrong ASSUMPTIONS. got that. basic logic 101.

my positionSSSS are all out there on the board, for anyone interested in knowing what my positions are.

also

i am more than willing to actually TELL you what my position is. i am not shy. i have nothing to hide or be embarrassed about sitting on a democratic progressive board, .... cause my POSITIONS are democratic and progressive.

i am feeling kinda safe here.

how about you?

cause see. i keep asking what others positions are. they are all yelling prove it. i am all saying. no, just tell me. really. i TRUST you to tell me your position. and you know what. some of them refuse.

why?

i do not get that. why in the world would someone be unwilling to tell us what their political view is?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026579635#post189

i think i am on the side of all democratic progressive views. i am excited for all of our democratic contenders and candidates. i am excited about this election. i love to listen to our democrats speak out and be heard. i cheer them all. i raise my fist, i might even say, yeeehaw, if it is something smart.

[Capt. Obvious]

1. Sending your post through Google translator

This is not good. This is not a friend. This is not whining. .... It is our political party.

This talk. I have repeatedly said that I duers friendly language.

I want to understand and communicate in part. It is after all the discussion board. We must succeed in a statement. Moreover, the majority of us, lol talked to each other for ten years.

of shy.

My political views. In the past few weeks my political views were that people in the assumption. they told me that my political views. I have them, they are wrong. Please tell them that he thought blame my political views. I will fix them. all refused to even ask.

I have them all on board. it's not hard for me to make an honest conversation. So ..... I'm talking about our political views, I do this OP talk. I think this is just the beginning. Someone else?

[seabeyond]

3. wow. cute. hey. ask me where you do not understand. i will clarify it for you. promise.

or, throw out a jab

ya. i know your position not all, but some. your jabs have made it clear. what are you jabbing at, btw?

that i, too, am a populist? that i, too, find warren a strong woman with a strong voice. that i hope, sanders jumps in. my excitement for him.

what is it you are jabbing at?

[chervilant]

25. Do you think this

"Obvious" person is truly transparent? I see consistently argumentative and derisive come-backs from that individual, and will likely relegate said individual to my IL.

I LOVE your posts, sea. I love the ways you express yourself, and I have no difficulty whatsoever understanding you.

[Capt. Obvious]

29. NOT IF I IGNORE YOU FIRST

[seabeyond]

30. when i get the same thing, for three years, from the same posters. ya. kinda obvious, lol.

so many more more articulate, clear, concise. you. meh.... takes a cauldron.

[stevenleser]

2. There is a reason I have that poster on ignore, and it's because their posts don't make sense.

That attack on "Embracing Liberalism" flies in the face of Manny's support of Elizabeth Warren, who took her own good time in "Embracing Liberalism" after supporting Reagan.

If he hates the idea of a need to "Embrace Liberalism", Warren shouldn't be his candidate.

[seabeyond]

4. omg, all the incorrect statements i am seeing, lol. to be political. it is one thing to be

political in some manner, work on not being so obvious. and well, wrong.

i am not talking about the conversation i posted or the poster. geeez. i do not even remember what started this conversation. it is every thread. a handful of people lumping everyone together, so none of us has to be heard.

[seabeyond]

5. friends. allies. lots. people i love. i can list them.

i think we mostly can do this. i have... faith.

[FSogol]

6. He probably just forgot his "3rd-way" tag for the end.

Not that it makes any difference when dividing.

[seabeyond]

7. i do not know all the 3rd way shit. i have heard it in character, mocking, ....

i do not know what all the third way stuff is about.

i am just learning our populist party on du, that want to do to dems what teabaggers did to repugs. i am simply trying to understand that right now.

[JaneyVee]

10. The funniest part is that some of the same posters who are...

Calling for more people to enter the Democratic primary are the same ones calling for Hillary to "step down". How um....democratic?

Hillary supporters want a robust campaign with lots of candidates and will support the nominee, its the anti-Hillary crowd who seems to want a coronation of one very specific candidate. Wink wink.

[seabeyond]

11. this is what i am addressing. dont say she is being coronated. she is a viable candidate that EARNed

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her candidacy. i am not a supporter. but do not ignore her experience, political background, accomplishments, credentials. she gets to run. i have yet to hear people say, she is mine, dont get yours.

i am excited for sanders. i am not throwing him to the side of the road, cause clinton is in the race.

[JaneyVee]

33. I completely agree. I'm sure everyone here...

Has the same dream ticket: Warren/Sanders. And I'm sure we all have the same nightmare: a Republican president. Which is why I will gladly support whoever the Dem nominee is to the fullest. I think we can all agree that a "centrist" Dem (as they like to call Hillary) is still FAAAAAR better than a far right nutjob.

[seabeyond]

35. i hear warren is not running, .... ;) . yes. it would cool to have her in the race, also. nt

[JI7]

31. it's mostly lame shtick anyways

[H2O Man]

8. I like and respect you.

Don't always agree, of course. But I like your contributions to the DU community.

[seabeyond]

9. ah. thank you h20

i hear ya. you are just well liked, but back at you. two different elephants. and that is cool.

thanks. and if you ever want to know where i stand on anything. hey.... ask.

[Hiraeth]

12. I know one thing. I absolutely abhor coy. Especially from grown men on a message board.

It does not look good on a preteen girl (where it can be expected) and looks absolutely disingenuous and pitiful when coming from a grown man. I mean just really sad to see it.

[seabeyond]

13. it looks.... arrogant and condescending coming form a grown man. we have all lived it. we easily

recognize it and some of us actually have the audacity to call it out.

[Hiraeth]

14. And well it should be -called out- by some soul braver than me. I usually just recognize it and

then avoid it where ever possible. Seems to be a lesson in futility to me. But, Kudos to the ones willing to tackle it. May the force be with you!

[seabeyond]

15. lol lol. ya. that. nt

[JI7]

26. i would say cringey

There seemed to be a drop off in recs and responses as it was the same shit over and over again.

So had to come up wIth something that will give more attention.

[msanthrope]

16. Welcome to DU! nt

[JI7]

19. sometimes teens will post pictures saying how horrible they look

Because of some new hairstyle or outfit or whatever. But you see the pics and they are all nice and you know they were just trying to get attention and compliments.

I guess some never grow out of this need for attention. But as you say to see it in grown middle aged types is just sad .

[winter is coming]

20. It doesn't look any better when women do it. n/t

[seabeyond]

21. nah. just not a fan of coy. it is .... coy which ='s dishonest for me. nt

[winter is coming]

24. Then I guess you frown on people badmouthing "that person" without actually naming

them. That's coy, too.

[JI7]

28. nope. Coy would be pretending we had no idea who this is about

[seabeyond]

37. and do it so obviously we are no longer.... coy, lol.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026582780#post36

[seabeyond]

36. what are you talking about.... battin' lashes. lol. do you have someone in mind? nt

[foo_bar]

40. this thread is so weird.

"This OP is not about itself. It's about something else. Ask me anything! Don't be coy!"

[seabeyond]

43. if you have a question, ask. what is so damn weird about that? nt

[foo_bar]

49. about what?

You did mention "talking about our political views", like, this is the GD thread for discussing political views. Which is fine, I guess it's on-topic, but then it's hard to reckon what the non-meta takeaway is from your post. People said stuff, somewhere, so let's clear the air?

[PowerToThePeople]

17. Totally META.

[seabeyond]

18. nu uh. but then, you are the one that will not ask me a simple question,

but tell me my position or lump us all in. you want to know, here i am.... lets talk politics.

[PowerToThePeople]

22. ...

[seabeyond]

23. you do not want to know my position, do you? lol. you just want to assume, thinking you know

dontcha.

[PowerToThePeople]

27. ^

[seabeyond]

32. you are perfect....

thank you

[mmonk]

34. This old school, street protesting, Sanders supporting, old New Deal Democrat

finds you aok as I do everyone except on occasion some arrogant posters. We're all in this together.

[seabeyond]

38. well, bless your heart.

you are a treat mmonk.

[el_bryanto]

39. People use different techniques to get their message across

Whatever that message happens to be - sometimes those techniques or tactics are effective at convincing me and sometimes they aren't - but they presumably work on other people.

Having a discussion about what issues we support - i think it could be useful, but it is probably going to be problematic. We all have different issues that we 1) care about, 2) know about, and 3) are able to communicate passionately about.

On top of that you have to consider what we might consider baseline issues - issues you don't have big arguments over or passionate arguments on because you assume they to be baseline issues; any serious democratic candidate will have the right position on those issues.

One methodology might be to take a set of issues - and then ask the following questions.
1. Is this a baseline issue for you - i.e. you wouldn't vote for any candidate who didn't share your position on it?
2. Is this an issue that you care deeply about and think about often? (if an issue is a baseline issue, you probably care about it a great deal, but you might not think about it that often).
3. Is it an issue that you know a fair amount about?
4. Is it an issue that you are able to argue about passionately (which is probably just a reflection of 2 and 3)?

I do agree that most of us have generally liberal views; one of the things that sets me off is when some one argues essentially that DU is full of conservatives who aren't really liberal, because they aren't paying attention to the specific issue they want to talk about.

And I do appreciate your posts - I don't always agree, but think they are always worth reading.

Bryant

[seabeyond]

42. it really is simple. do not tell me i am a clinton support, i am not. do not tell me i am a tpp

supporter i am not

if you think you know and want to accuse me of something, at least know what the hell you are talking about.

it really

is not that hard.

[LittleBlue]

41. This really is meta though.

Complaining about DU and other DUers is the definition of meta.

You need fo keep the convo in that thread. We don't need more threads about other threads

[seabeyond]

44. have you and i ever seen eye to eye? nt

[LittleBlue]

45. We probably see eye to eye on 90% of issues

It's the 10% that makes up 99% of our discussions

Also you've been really good lately in discussions. You deserve credit for that

[seabeyond]

47. ah. now that is interesting. i do sit in that with a number of people.

i will keep that in mind. i was curious with you, cause that does not seem to ring true with me. but, you very well may be right.

[Kurska]

46. The very definition of a meta thread. EOM

[seabeyond]

48. no. not if we actually talked about what i posted. nt

[seabeyond]

50. example. i simply asked blue. and blue told me we probably agree 90%.

we didnt go into specifics, but that is good to know. ya think?

[DonViejo]

52. Locking...

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From the SOP:

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