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cali
(114,904 posts)I got that wrong. I really didn't think he'd end up running. And this must be real considering the source.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It certainly is exciting.
Stryder
(450 posts)Don't get me wrong. Fanfuckingtastic! (I so seldom use "!"
But my understanding is he would have to declare as a Dem.
That said with no diss to HRC, I want to see some CW challenged
within the party. Go Bernie. Hilary, if you can sell me, go for it
but I need to see something more than "Vote Hilary she's not a Republican."
Good reason but not good enough.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)He's made it clear he will run in the Democratic Primary.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Will they give him fair impartial coverage or brand him as a radical Socialist. We can be best assured how the Conservatives will smear him as a Communist as dreadful as Mao who is going to nationalize corporations, burn churches and indoctrinate the youth in a vile anti-capitalistic, anti-religious anti-democratic liberal philosophy in addition to seizing their cherished guns.
cali
(114,904 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Those ARE social programs. We LIKE them. So we must get over the name calling. He's much stronger than that.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The MSM has become nothing more than the bought and paid for mouth piece of the corporate millionaires. They have the ability to either provide concise accurate reporting or sinking anyone at will. Take for example the ACA. Every article that reports a problem with one of the exchanges no matter how insignificant is reported on the Front Page in bold letters. It is my experience with our local newspaper and a couple of others that I read on vacation that vast majority of numerous positive achievements are totally ignored. FOX is a glaring example of unethical reporting, however, the silence of the MSM is in reality even more effective in skewing public opinion.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)That Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Maoist. Why he'd turn this country into another Cuba, or Venezuela. This ought to be good. Hillary you are going to get hammered with the truth.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Cant wait to see him again!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I hope he does well.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Now or never is here.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Volaris
(10,251 posts)if nothing else comes of it, the American people will get to see what a real primary fight looks like, in comparison to the clown car show that the GOP will be staging
Unfortunately, most people will only see what's on T.V., an onslaught of negative ads from the rich.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Love to see some kind of announcement event? It would be cool to attend.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...hope it's Bernie.
I will support Hillary if she is our nominee.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's early days yet. I wish we could get rid of the mem that "Bernie can't win" because that's meant to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. The conservative meda and the Democratic Party leaders will blast him no doubt. But that doesn't mean what he stands for can not resonate with voters.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it's that simple.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)and DESERVES!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'Aim for the sky, if you want to hit a tree'!
I am thrilled to hear he is going to run.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I'm going to start telling everyone I know about Bernie. Get them to watch him on youtube. Whatever it takes so they start listening. That's all they have to do because he tells the TRUTH. I think he could be the next Teddy Roosevelt (and that's not a bad way to showcase him).
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)other people to support him, and he will need donations, that would be a big help to him.
He does seem to get some media coverage. However there will be smear campaigns to contend with, but I think people are getting really tired about negative campaigns. All it does is show that they candidate isn't confident in their own policies winning an election.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)That's what they'll be screaming.
My reply will be:
"About fucking time."
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and educate them as to the difference!
About fucking time, indeed!
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)who shut out the Republicans in his home state. Nada, zip, zilch for the GOP.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)And Bernie can do that.
Give me Bernie any day of the week, and twice on election Tuesdays!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)appear before we know it. Their game is up, people are sick of the negative smear campaigns, and now we know a lot more about where they come from.
If they want to spend their Wall St money on that, rather than on pushing their choice of candidate's positives, that's their choice.
We don't have to do that, Bernie's record is better than all the expensive smear campaigns they can buy.
I've already lined up one VOTE FOR BERNIE from someone who never heard of him before, but she is now an enthusiastic supporter.
It was an easy sell.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Crucial thing for me.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)he expects that. He has a great sense of humor and gets amused when people throw those irrelevant accusations at him.
Vermont used to be a conservative state -- pre-Bernie.
Bernie is pragmatic in a healthy way. That is he has a good balance between idealism and pragmatism. He is not one who is unable to compromise. He will make a great candidate and a great president.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)As if starting wars, deregulating wall street, allowing corporations to supercede U.S. law is moderate. I just have to laugh at the labels the media puts on reformists like Bernie who are actually trying to get this country out of the mess the "moderates" put us in. If that is "radical" then I guess I'm a radical supporter.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Lots of anti war republicans. Aiken, Prouty, Stafford (as in Stafford loans), Jeffords, Salmon and many more. And Vermont has been solidly liberal for over 40 years.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Even in the 1930s, Vermont voted Republican. Please look at the list of senators from Vermont.
Very, very conservative even in the 1930s. Republicans.
cali
(114,904 posts)I know the history of my state. Yes, these guys were Republicans. They wouldn't be today
Take George Aiken who famously declared that we should declare victory in Vietnam and get the hell out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Aiken
Senator Stafford:
<snip>
A Northeastern Republican, Stafford was generally considered a liberal, or "Rockefeller" Republican.
Stafford is best remembered for his staunch environmentalism, his work on higher education, and his support, as an elder statesman, for the 2000 Vermont law legalizing civil unions for gay couples.
<snip>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stafford
Vermont has a Progressive tradition going back to before it was a state- outlawed slavery in the Vermont Republic Constitution.
I'm not saying these guys were democrats or liberal on all issues, but they weren't considered conservatives in their day, and by today's repub standards, they'd be considered flaming liberals.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Is I've seen some "libertarian" (note quotes) types that have expressed positive things about him. Not sure if that translates into voting for him, but they do think he's genuine.
That's the thing about Bernie, they can throw everything and the kitchen sink at him, but his record, at least from what I know, is spotless. He can deftly side-step those red herrings, and go straight to the issues. And if it's one thing I've learned, if you actually talk about the issues, and I'm talking substantively - no platitudes, then progressives win. If you don't, and you fall into the baiting and trapping caused by the conservative and reactionary establishment, progressives lose.
Give me Bernie any day of the week and twice on election Tuesday!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He is smart as a tack (whatever that means but it sounds good at the moment). He is brilliant in other words. And he is so down-to-earth and genuine. He will do well. His opponents will be surprised by him. The media won't know what to do.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Sometimes, it's warranted!
nikto
(3,284 posts)"I think he could be the next Teddy Roosevelt (and that's not a bad way to showcase him). "
Bernie!
F' Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,103 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)That is why he is becoming a Dem!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,103 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)The establishment on both sides hates him, but that is the very reason to elect him, IMO.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...they hear him well, he might just gain their confidence - and their votes!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)We have to realize the 23%/Tea Party does not need to be catered to. But I know a hell of a lot of independents that might get revved up to vote for him. They are frustrated, tired and feel powerless to change anything. If they would only listen to him, he has so many great ideas.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Many were registered Dems, who helped get Dems control of everything in 2008.
This could bring them back.
Once news gets out to them, I have a feeling they will be excited.
No one can win without that vote.
And I think Bernie can get it.
He will be fighting huge amounts of money, but I think that may be one of the issues he runs on, the poisonous effects of Corporate money on our electoral system.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I get frustrated with all the screeching from third wayers on DU about how he is another Nader (in the primary? duh). Perhaps if I step outside it will be better.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I remember those inspiring days in the winter of Raygun
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)We need to help as much as possible. Bernie is not going to be raising scads of corporate cash, so we need to make sure our people power makes up for it.
Very Orange
(31 posts)and Bernie will be running such an grassroot campaign that will be people-powered.
That's what is very important and Bernie definetely gets it.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...resonate with the Independent Vote, even considering he has to run as a Democrat to have a chance?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is his message. I'm sure they will start polling Independents to see how they feel.
I would think too that his being an Independent shows a lot of savvy. For one thing, while he caucuses with Democrats, he isn't under the pressure to 'just go along' with the party so they have to WORK to get his vote. He uses that to get things for his own state.
Both parties have to work to get the Independent vote, while taking their base for granted.
So I can't answer your question, but I do think they will be interested in his candidacy.
Very Orange
(31 posts)Yes, there are still some, but they are rapidly disappearing in shame of their own party.
Bernie attracts everyone. He has that magnetic personality and understands the 99%.
People will resonate with him, and reject Hillary Clinton as yet another corporatist Democrat that no-one wants for a President.
You guys can see Bernie leading the Party and getting progressives excited, and progessives issues has won in 2014, while Third Wayers lost. It's time to put a progressive program in that will put every progressives on the ballot for every race in the United States.
No more choices of "lesser of the two evils"
renate
(13,776 posts)Welcome to DU!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)lot of them actually and they are really good people. Angry at their own party they are searching for a way to participate without furthering the madness in their own party.
Bernie is a perfect candidate for them. Not that well know so not tarred with the Right Wing Noise Machine feather yet, though I'm sure it will happen.
AND you are correct about the Mid Terms, which many here don't seem to have followed. Those mid terms show great hope for Democratic Candidates who run on Democratic issues, which Bernie will be doing.
You are correct that Dem Issues won on local ballots across the board. Unlike the Dem Leadership who BLAMED the voters for the losses of Third Way candidates, Bernie no doubt looked at those mid terms and what the people were saying and is now responding to that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hardcover
(255 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)That gives me some confidence that he's been getting a lot
of positive reinforcement.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)unless he actually becomes a Democrat...he doesn't have a chance at my vote....I vote for the Democrat. Simple as that.
Very Orange
(31 posts)Or even that he has formally changed his party affiliation already and has not announced it yet.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he is going to run in the Democratic Primary...didnt say he was becoming one at all..
lets take a look at his odds of winning the Primary shall we?
Oh wow...he improved....his chances now? 0!
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
Very Orange
(31 posts)and run in the Democratic primary.
No, he'll turn Democratic on Thursday or he is one already and just haven't announced it yet.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)anyone can SAY they are running as a Democrat....Has he officially become one yet?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)How can you even RESPOND to THAT?
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)and less painful endeavor.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Yes, that's such a powerful argument.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-bernie-sanders-to-launch-presidential-bid-on-thursday/2015/04/28/2b2802b8-edf0-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html
I know you have had so much trouble understanding this. I hope this helps!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)you mean like anonymous sources? That is your proof....when I have just shown that he doesn't have to....and he doesn't have to proclaim he is one in Vermont....and unless he says he is NOT an Independent and IS a Democrat...there is no other way for him to actually BE one...
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Or you will continue with willful ignorance.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and I am merely pointing out how he isn't a Democrat just because he runs in our Primary. He first has to call himself a Democrat....but THEN he has to beat the field....let me introduce you to the field...
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
morningfog
(18,115 posts)which he will be doing, if he were not a Democrat at the time of his running, you don't understand.
Again, your confusion (on this issue, you are on your own on everything else) should be cleared up by Sen. Sanders on Thursday. Join me in welcoming him to the party. It is going to be a joy to watch him run against Hillary. A true liberal enters the race on Thursday.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)read...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-democrat-or-independent/
He CAN run as an Independent in the Democratic Primary....
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Since you SEEM to APPRECIATE randomize capitalization so MUCH:
"He won't have to sign on to every plank of the Democratic platform in order to get in, but he will have to acknowledge that he is running as a Democrat," Devine said. "I think Bernie will have to do that."
As I have tried and TRIED to tell YOU, but you REMAIN so OBTUSE, he will be running as a fucking DEMOCRAT for the DEMOCRATIC nomination. What the FUCK don't you understand about THAT?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)"he thinks"...some guy...and ..not exactly definitive there is it?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)When Sen Sanders announces on Thursday that he is running as a Democrat, will you accept it and shut the fuck up?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and like I told the others....let me introduce you to the field of long standing Democrats with as much or more potential than Sanders...
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I see that you are already accepting it by pivoting to your book maker. A step at a time, congratulations.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)One step at a time?.....
MY gawd...that is like the steps at Chichen Itza at this point!
sheshe2
(83,128 posts)On Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
No he has NOT said that....he said he is running in the Democratic Primary....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6586188
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
The reason for the alert is the constant, consistent, always thread bashing for anyone that is not HC. By all means, cheer for your candidate. Make your points. But this is an always with this poster. This may be the wrong way to go about this but I don't know any other way. 16 posts on one thread bashing the reason for the post, Bernie Sanders. This poster does the same thing with O'Malley and Warren. And about half of the posts use the same links.
Yes, I am putting her on ignore. But she is really trying the patience of many people here. Per TOS: Don't do anything else which is similarly disruptive.
Just because it isn't listed here, doesn't mean it's ok. If you post anything which is obviously disruptive, malicious, or repugnant to this community, its members, or its values, you risk being in violation of these Terms of Service.
So why do so many have to put such a disruptive person on ignore?
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:12 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are we going to alert FOOLISHLY! for a members party choice that we do not agree with? Holy mother. This is going to be a long haul to 2016. I may need a vacation. Facepalm!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this poster's relentless HRC boosterism, to the point of trying to bully the board into accepting "inevitability" and fast forward past the primaries, is lame, to say the least. And monumentally irritating. Personally, I wish they would give it a rest, not for the least reason that this sort of attitude does NOT help Hillary Clinton, who should be able to win a vigorous primary contest IF she is really half as strong a candidate as some of these folks claim.
That said, the post isn't breaking any of the specific list of rules which are the necessarily high par to have a jury hide it. A jury hide is a pretty serious move, only for serious violations. Merely posting something annoying, repetitive, lame, or wrong does not reach that standard. Sorry.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm being asked to hide a post that says that it will be very hard for Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic Primary? Pass. And I like Bernie a lot.
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Holy shit. What a laugh.
I was #1~
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)aches just from reading this exchange.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Hey you 2, cut it out!
We're on the same side here. Stop arguing about whether Certs is a breath mint or a candy mint.
Bernie is running! That's what counts.
Please save your fire for the inevitable rightwing/neoliberal/Mcarthyesque attacks to come.
You will need to save all your ammo for the real enemy.
Stop wasting it on each other over stuff that will definitely be resolved, possibly within days.
All supporters of Bernie are going to have to kick endless ass in the coming months, to make this happen.
Don't argue with each other.
Prepare for the fights to come.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I have no doubt.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)You will vote for him for President when he wins the primary, right? If not, then some people on here might say you weren't a real Democrat.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Those who will NOT vote are voting for a RW GOP POTUS:
If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Wont Be as an Independent: I will not be a spoiler
Naturally, Will you run for president in 2016? was the first question DFA Executive Director Charles Chamberlain asked Sanders. Though not definitive, his answer was enough to leave these activists hopeful.
I am giving very serious consideration to it, but before you make a decision of that magnitude you have to make sure that you can do it well, Sanders said. So what we are doing is reaching out to folks all over this country trying to determine whether or not we can put the grassroots organization together that we need.
Sanders knows he will have to rely on grassroots mobilization to have a fighting chance at being elected, because his campaign will take on every monied interest. If I run, well be taking on the billionaire class, he said. Thats Wall Street, the drug companies, the military industrial complex.
To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler, Sanders said. I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president
to pampango:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top
If he does not win the nomination, he will have taught many in his race and concede with grace. He campaigned against the GOP in 2014, and the alternative to their ruling was clearly by Democrats. He'll support the nominee of the Democratic Party, that I am sure. Obama said essentially, that a vote for Bernie would be like voting for a third term for him.
This primary is finally going to be interesting for all of us. I predict it will make the rightwing media rave and our side will learn a lot, along with the rest of the nation, to get the job done.
I am interested in all Democratic candidates who have shown a serious interest in becoming POTUS and at his point there is only Hillary and Bernie. He has more media coverage than hers, and is more direct. I see where she is coming from... I can grasp where he is coming from better.
I will be glad with both, they each have lessons for Americans to learn to resist aristocracy and inequality. If Sanders holds firm to equality, particularly of half the population of this planet, which would be the true solution to economic issues, I can see HRC supporters getting behind his candidacy if he wins. And HRC herself will. It's really not about the persons who only have a brief time on the world stage, it's about the ideals and lives beyond the one and it's why I'm PROUD to be a DEMOCRAT.
And likewise, if HRC wins, those who care will vote Democratic. We need at least a generation of forward minded people, not those who have fallen for the Bircher line sold by the Koches, to even BEGIN to undo the damage and the horrors that we have seen.
I'm hoping that the real truth teller (not the CT commerical versions of the truth bringing about a Libertarian nightmare) the man in Baltimore who described the reason for the misery and violence in this country, will offer support to Bernie's candidacy, or influence his friends of means, and the fan base of the various cities, to help:
Orioles COO John Angelos offers eye-opening perspective on Baltimore protests
"My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one nights property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every Americans civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state."
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orioles-john-angelos-baltimore-protests-mlb
to chalmers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026574923
This is the unifying cry of the American vision. As FDR said:
A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest - at the command - of his head. We build a way of life, not for America alone, but for all mankind.
That kind of 'exceptionalism,' I can get behind. Millions who came here since then came because of that vision. It is a 'work in progress.' And the war that has been declared upon the African American population for centuries will end under principled hands by Democrats. JMHO.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but lets just pretend that he wins the Primary....currently Bernie has odds of winning the Primary at 0 and doesn't even register for the General.....Let me introduce you to the field of Democrats...
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
and the field...
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)the longest of longshots!
by the way...if you checked it....Bernie is ON the list of Democratic potential candidates...his chances of winning the Primary? 0!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I also think he genuinely feels he can impact the national political discussion in a positive way, I tend to agree.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Show me another who has gone coast to coast like Sanders or Clinton, then we're talking.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Thanks for sharing that.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I realize that's a big "if," but if he wins it, he'll be "the Democrat" running against whoever wins the R primary.
In the primary, there will hopefully be several Democrats from which to choose.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The kind of thinking behind Bernie is the kind of thinking that
put Nadder into the race, and gave us George Bush and
the Irag war!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Nader ran IN ADDITION to a Democratic and Republican candidate. If Bernie wins the primary, he will run AS the Democratic candidate.
Sanders has said he won't run as a spoiler.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... but do as you must.
2banon
(7,321 posts)' And God Bless America'! MUST be said to demonstrate loyalty and patriotism, lest it should ever come into doubt.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)First time in my 44 years I've donated to a politician - just did it. Next up - volunteering...
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Signed up to volunteer too. He needs our help!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I don't see Bernie as aggravating any particular group. He's been caucusing with the Democrats for years. He's not all 'independent,' although it's possible Vermonters don't want two Democrats in the Senate, they may want something different.
Good for you to be working in the campaign. Even if he doesn't win the nomination, the American people need the education that only Bernie can give them in plain talking. I see HRC as wanting the same despite the rumor industry on her, which is not effective on those of us who lived in and were politically active (no, not the fabled third wayers) back then to see the reality on the ground.
She has said Democrats are not elected to be the mouthpiece of Wall Street, so she is not all the bogeywimmen she's been made out to be. That is what she was when she entered office. And she's very hard headed and very consistent. SO IS BERNIE!
But she's so hard to understand until she gets angry and really tells the GOP off, which she has done on numerous occassions. Her life and views were shaped in a later era than Bernie and that's the primary difference between them.
He is like people I know, New Deal Democrats whose main purpose is equality under the law, due process, and social conditions to bring that about. Social justice is what is needed, and we cannot be free without it. That requires unity, and we've not had that for much too long in this country.
Um, maybe I should have said this to the person you were replying to but I've got to go and will leave it.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I am not anti-Clinton, but I do think that we need strong medicine for this country right now, so Sen Sanders has my support. I don't send money to politicians because I think they should all be on public financing. Plus, I send my money to charities and organizations who could really use it instead. I think the main objection to Sanders the candidate is the false notion that "he can't win" which I hope those who support him can prove is not true. We'll see. I hope he is ready for the MSM long knives.
G_j
(40,366 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)SamKnause
(13,009 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)1HappyDemocrat
(62 posts)I LOVE BERNIE! I would vote for Bernie Sanders above anybody else! He is one of the most outspoken politicians that consistently stands up for the underdog in America. He always speaks with integrity and intelligence. He is one of the few who GETS IT. I pray that his campaign finds the support among the American people that we need to see him into office. This made my day!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)gopiscrap
(23,662 posts)1HappyDemocrat
(62 posts)btw I love your quote! that just about sums up America. I posted my first post about a gofundme project I did for college this semester. The first comment? Well it was ugly. I am a single mom whose need was real so the gofundme was a legitimate campaign, but it also served an academic purpose. I came to this forum because my professor recommended it to help gain insight on how people feel towards this issue. The first and only response to my post was, in a nutshell, "you just signed up on here to ask for money, shame on you". My response was, umm, no, I am on here to learn and grow as a Democrat. I posted the post to get feedback. I removed the gofundme link and kept my post hoping that people with genuine thoughts would offer me their insights. Those of you who have been kind to me on here, it is greatly appreciated. Thank you for welcoming me.
william cail
(32 posts)Bernie will drop out of the race by January. Due to a lack of funds. The chances of Bernie getting the nomination are the same as Ted Cruz getting the Republican nomination. It will be political suicide if Bernie gets the nomination. I guess some people who post on DU would like to see Walker or another Bush in the White House.
Be Smart
Hilary 2016
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I would not have even bothered if he ran as an Independent.
I must thank him for running as a Democrat, and will probably support him as much as I would O'Malley at this time, since I haven't decided who I will fully go for.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Best news possible!!
K&R
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Very exciting news!
cali
(114,904 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Now you will have to share your Senator with all of us. I used to envy his constituents. '
Already lined up one vote for him. Someone who didn't know him before, now she does and I have to say, when you stick to the issues it's easy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)C'mon Bernie, get out there!
pa28
(6,145 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)Very Orange
(31 posts)the one on the left - what movie is that from?
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Sorry!
kentuck
(110,916 posts)...is to make a statement that he is running for all disenchanted voters, Republicans and Democrats alike, to try and clean up this mess that both political Parties have gotten our country into. That is just my opinion. I'm sure many will want him to run as a Democrat, which is what I suppose he will do? However, I think his appeal could be very broad with the political realities as they are.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...despite his party affiliation.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)what I think are the very best ideals of the Party and country. So incredibly happy right now to have someone to vote FOR.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)he's got his work cut out for him.
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Hillary's logo set the standard so low... 😊
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Vinca
(50,150 posts)ms liberty
(8,438 posts)You might even be able to organize a meet up at it, he's got a lot of support here. I'm in NC so I won't make it, lol! But we'll expect pics!
LuvNewcastle
(16,813 posts)I hope enough people will see who will move us forward and who will give us the status quo. We need radical change in so many ways, and Bernie Sanders would be the most likely candidate to get things started. He already has my vote and I'll encourage everyone I can to vote for him in the primary.
1monster
(11,012 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/28/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign_n_7165270.html
On their front page too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
boston bean
(36,181 posts)Very Orange
(31 posts)when she is indefensible on her stance with the 1% and Third Way politics.
Bernie will be able to debate Hillary on such issues and hand her ass, because she literally has no defense WRT economics issues and her support of TPP which is 100% indefensible.
So, yeah, I think HRC will lose because of such issues that has hurt the 99%'ers very deeply.
Income inequality is a MAJOR issue and Bernie knows this issue very well. And recent reports shows that Clinton is trying to be the 1% of the 1%. No excuses for that. None.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Lol, what is that supposed to mean?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)will impact on Republicans 100 times more than they impact on Hillary.
And his progressiveness will make Hillary look like a moderate and will help her win swing voters and make it much harder for Republicans to paint her as an extreme Liberal, which is their default strategy against Democrats.
appalachiablue
(40,994 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I think this is a long-shot. However, so many in our party are very unhappy with Clinton--and also with her
seemingly ending up as our only choice.
I think the more people that jump in the race, the better.
I'd like to see Jim Webb dive in head first.
I support Bernie and I love his passion. He's one of the very few people telling it like it is--when it comes to corporatism, political corruption, the decimation of the middle class and the immorality of war.
Glad to see him in!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)is willing to address the needs of Americans. nt
Buenaventura
(364 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)But he's not Kenyan, I don't think.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Towlie
(5,305 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I'm grateful that he will help steer the debate to the left. This is good news!
G_j
(40,366 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Mine is that he is going to play the Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton role. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)odds are 0 of winning the primary...
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
G_j
(40,366 posts)why not go hang out on Hillary thread?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)maybe you'll become the only person I have on ignore..
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)In my not so humble opinion, Bernie is the MOST ELECTABLE candidate! He is speaking out on all the issues that concern each and every one of us, and he doesn't only talk the talk, he walks the walk.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I just don't think the majority would vote for him. Hell they think Obama is a socialist. There is no way they will vote for a real one. Time will tell.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)There IS a difference.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)That's just a fact. Hell, Obama is a democrat and he is perceived as a socialist by many. The general public doesn't do nuance.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)the clowns in the car that is the 2016 Presidential race, Bernie gets out of the bubble and spends time with real people. He knows how to talk to them without being condescending and that goes a long way. My sister who was brain washed by Rush Limbaugh in the 90s likes Bernie Sanders a lot.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I don't share your optimism because I don't think anyone who bills themselves as a democratic socialist is going to do well in the early primary states. And he will have to in order to build momentum to get the nomination. I'm also skeptical that he can raise enough money to mount a credible campaign.
If he runs as an independent he is as dead to me as any republican. If he runs as a democratic candidate I wish him well. And if he gets the nomination I will definitely vote for him in the general. He's a good guy.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)doesn't want to be a spoiler. My Republican sister, who likes Bernie and would vote for him, would rather be eaten alive by fire ants than vote for Hillary.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... stating his camp denied that. But it wouldn't be the first time CNN got something wrong.
tazkcmo
(7,280 posts)or 3rd, 4th and 5th. CNN...what garbage.
G_j
(40,366 posts)Most people won't care about labels, especially once someone hears him talk. He speaks for the American people. You greatly underestimate the enthusiasm he is capable of generating.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)If Bernie runs as a democratic candidate I will support him if he gets nominated. If he doesn't - fuck him. I'm a democrat.
G_j
(40,366 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)so that's virtually meaningless. Maybe a real Democratic Socialist will inspire some left-leaning folks who usually sit out to vote this time around.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They will definitely try to paint him that way but there are more people who support Scandinavian style socialism or a New Deal approach, than the media thinks.
The issues that Bernie is big on resonate with most Americans.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)"President Ronald Wilson Reagan ..." {laughter}
You may not be old enough to remember this, but the phrase "President Reagan" was an actual punch line.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I imagine it's as simple as declaring he's running as a dem. Of course I could be wrong
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)If he runs as an independent then he is as dead to me as any republican candidate.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie's loyalty and motives are not in question.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He becomes a Dem simply by doing so.
Why are you so obsessed with getting him to formally SAY he's a Dem when that's now a moot point? Are you going to demand that he apologize for ever being an independent at all?
Bernie's decision to stand in the primaries proves, once and for all, that he'll never go third-party in the fall.
Give it a rest. You have no reason to keep beating this dead horse.
Bernie's campaign is not against the Democratic Party, and can't hurt the party's chances in the fall.
Initech
(99,881 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,671 posts)Someone that I can now fully support. Fantastic news! I don't really know how I feel, but ecstatic comes close to it!
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Bernie will make the debates worth watching and will help get the issues that are important out in the open so everyone running can tell us how they will fix the problems we have. Go Bernie!
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)kentuck
(110,916 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jon Ace
(243 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,212 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ananda
(28,758 posts)From The Mask of Anarcy
What art thou, Freedom? O! could slaves
Answer from their living graves
This demandtyrants would flee
Like a dreams imagery :
Thou are not, as impostors say,
A shadow soon to pass away,
A superstition, and a name
Echoing from the cave of Fame.
For the labourer thou art bread,
And a comely table spread
From his daily labour come
In a neat and happy home.
Thou art clothes, and fire, and food
For the trampled multitude
Noin countries that are free
Such starvation cannot be
As in England now we see.
To the rich thou art a check,
When his foot is on the neck
Of his victim, thou dost make
That he treads upon a snake.
Thou art Justiceneer for gold
May thy righteous laws be sold
As laws are in Englandthou
Shieldst alike both high and low.
Thou art WisdomFreemen never
Dream that God will damn for ever
All who think those things untrue
Of which Priests make such ado.
Thou art Peacenever by thee
Would blood and treasure wasted be
As tyrants wasted them, when all
Leagued to quench thy flame in Gaul.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)I wish him well. In an utopia( sounds so funny) he wins. And those of you who are working for him, I hope he would win, not just give Clinton a challenge, BUT it ain't going to happen. Been there too many times, when I was passionate about a certain candidate (starting with McCarthy). I've been a pol. junkie for 50 years(as I'm sure a lot of you have too.). I'm convinced that 80% of the country is clueless to what YOU know is happening in Washington. I'm convinced.
TheKentuckian
(24,904 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)who thinks they need to pee on anyone's happiness that there is a candidate to actually support. Any candidate worth supporting always gets the "he can't win."
And while the probability that he could get the nomination might be low, that's not going to stop me. If I don't enthusiastically and energetically support candidates who will make the differences I want to see when I get the chance, those differences never have a chance. And if those differences never have a chance, I don't have a reason to show up at all.
I'm convinced that the changes I want to see will only have a chance if I, and all those who want those changes, have the courage to act on them, rather than be marginalized and silenced by the "never happen" crew.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)I'm happy that you won't stop. I plan to vote for him too. But if I'm in a group, it's a group of one. Your comment about not showing up at all is the same sentiment that got Nixon elected in 1968. Trust me, I'm not trying to throw water on anybody, only being realistic. I truly hope I'm wrong, but have seen defeat so many times. Imagine how much money would be raised by the rich to defeat Sanders in a general.
LWolf, it will take a lot more than courage.
The Blue Flower
(5,419 posts)A great man. So glad we get to work for him now.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)I see nothing positive here.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Then we will know.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Just because he won doesn't me her attack ads didn't hurt him.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)on their own? Did you sleep through the 90s?
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and I see Hillary has come out against TPA and that is from pressure from Dems inspired by Warren and Bernie. Plus Robert Reich wrote a good piece about him being in the race will keep Hillary to the left.
Hey, I am coming around.
ms liberty
(8,438 posts)He will attack the republicans and their issues, and while he will disagree with Hillary on many issues, he will treat her with civility and respect. You may not know, but I do...I have been watching and listening to him for many years.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He has attacked the GOP longer and harder than any Democratic candidate in the field. Who has been there to support working class men and women as often as Bernie? He deserves our trust and support
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)kacekwl
(6,986 posts)who support him spread the word and talk Bernie and his positions up to all we know.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)He has my support ALL THE WAY!
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Republicans already do vote for Sanders in VT.
Want a real Democratic President in 2016? Vote Sanders.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)And not a Democrat?
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)What do you mean?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Not the Independent Underground. We support Democratic candidates for office. Read the charter. Senator Sanders is, quite simply, not a Democrat.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Even still, my statement that republicans will not vote for Clinton but would vote for Sanders remains true...
cali
(114,904 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Whether a state has party registration or not, a candidate has to declare as a Democrat to run in the democratic presidential party.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)He's said this multiple times.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I hope he does. I would welcome him with open arms. I love all democrats. Especially liberal democrats.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You're acting like Bernie's a heretic and you're the Inquisition.
I've proven you have no reason to belabor this tiny technicality.
A candidate in the Democratic primaries IS a Democrat. Case closed.
TekGryphon
(430 posts)After-all, they're the ones who have given him the ranking Democratic seat of the Senate Budget Committee.
If they consider him enough of a Democrat to allow him to represent them in one of the most important committees in the Senate, maybe you could consider him one, too?
I understand your fears that he might run as an Independent and act as a spoiler, much in the way Nader gave us W, but that's not what Bernie's about. He understands his electorate, understands people in general, and he's not going to run for his own vanity just so that purists can ensure the Democratic candidate loses.
He is running for the sole purpose of ensuring the Democratic Party of 2016 has the opportunity to debate among itself the virtues of its platforms.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)the fight for democratic nomination as well surivial of social safety net and middle class.
Isn't it ironic the first one ready to fight hillary for the democratic nomination is untill thursday technically an independent.
Bernie has history of standing up against free trade deals.And for protecting ss,medicare,and medicaid.
Wall street doesn't own him.
he and elizabeth warren are two who talk the real issues.
yuiyoshida
(41,736 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)mike dub
(541 posts)I just went onto his website and donated 45 bucks!
Run Bernie, Run!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Let the race begin, and may the best candidate win.
angrychair
(8,536 posts)Excited...wonderful...awesome
totodeinhere
(13,028 posts)I hope that the admins at DU will allow him to have a fair shake. It's obvious that Skinner is in the tank for Clinton. I hope that he allows us to start up a Bernie group.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)I remember voting enthusiastically for Bill Clinton the first time around, but in my lifetime Bernie is the best candidate I've experienced. Never have disagreed with one single thing he's said, he's truthful and carries absolutely no baggage. "Socialist" is just a label (and not a bad one at that), but his votes and actions are what count and what should get him nominated and elected. A champion is what we need, and we have that in Bernie. I love the enthusiasm in this thread and others - now we have to pony up support by way of time and money.
AllyCat
(15,987 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)this man ???? We've got a shot of avoiding NWO in our life time !!! GO BERNIE !!!!!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Where do I sign up?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(106,789 posts)Glad that he plans to run as a Democrat instead of a third party spoiler.
2banon
(7,321 posts)let's be clear on what a real democratic party actually supposed to be about. HRC does not represent the working class in any way shape or form.
2banon
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)mountain grammy
(26,552 posts)Alkene
(752 posts)underpants
(182,064 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)That's the problem. Most people will learn about him from T.V. and it won't be pretty.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Bernie should get the Bat Mobile. Run Bernie Run
SHRED
(28,136 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)This country NEEDS REAL change and his view is THE PEOPLE'S VIEW!
We can't keep supporting those who we KNOW, or at the very least have some knowledge that our only main candidate is closely connected to TPTB. To have only ONE choice seems UN-Democratic in many ways. In a country with at least 300 million people how is it that THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY can only get behind Hillary. I mean it's so hard to imagine that we are so easily swayed to follow behind as if we're following some Pied Piper! Even IF I was a huge supporter of Hillary it would make me uncomfortable that she won't have a challenge.
We're only in the 4th month of 2015 and somehow the candidate has been decided, and I don't like it at all that I might have to vote for her just because the alternative is too devastating for this country!
IkeRepublican
(406 posts)Hold Hillary's feet to the fire and keep roasting the Wingnuts.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)The cheering section!
--imm
gopiscrap
(23,662 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)Chipper Chat
(9,619 posts)He impresses me with every interview. Hell, he even goes on Fox. He is not afraid to speak his mind. His entry into the primary makes me very happy. If he beats Hillary in Iowa and New Hampshire we're in for a bumpy ride.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Be sure to publically share all web addresses for the most direct contributions to
Bernie, locations/addresses of phone centers (if any), information centers about his campaign,
Plans for groups to be walking the streets & canvassing neighborhoods, etc etc.
Share on this thread to start, end then many others.
I always said I was going to go full-out if Bernie went for it.
Now that he is ...
Let's do this.
Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)Him, Warren, Grayson, Wyden, Brown, Whitehouse. . .these are all real progressives! Go Bernie Go!!!
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)But after his push for the TPP? I'm not so sure. He really, really fucked up big on that. I know at least two people back in OR that won't vote for him ever again.
But Sanders for president?
Hell yes.
Evar
(44 posts)Bernie is a man of integrity who has consistently told the truth about what is happening in America. He's the only candidate who can reach voters on both the right and the left. He has my vote and my support.
marmar
(76,945 posts)democrank
(11,032 posts)He`ll offer up some interesting questions that need to be answered. And, he has a long history of genuine advocacy for all working people and veterans.
TekGryphon
(430 posts)... he knows he doesn't have a chance on the national stage, and he won't run as a spoiler in the General Election so that the same purists who gave us W can give us Jeb.
He's running for the sole purpose of ensuring the Democratic Party of 2016 has the opportunity to debate among itself the virtues of its platforms.
Thank you, Bernie, for always fighting the good fight.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This nation needs you.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)anyway...
(oops...not his) facebook is available:
https://www.facebook.com/Sanders2016
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)and made a teeny contribution....
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)$10 ain't much (to me it is), but it's going to Bernie. It's the first money I've contributed since last election, and it's mostly symbolic.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Hillary always been Dem, she has always worked for them,
she Bernie agree almost all the issue.
Bernie has no foreign policy experience, He is a nice man,
and good supporter of the American people like Hillary!!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Yay, Bernie!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Faux pas
(14,562 posts)Go Bernie Go!!!
Paka
(2,760 posts)I am so happy to have someone I can support heart and soul.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)emulatorloo
(43,922 posts)herding cats
(19,545 posts)As long as Bernie runs on the Democratic ticket, this is nothing but good news for us and our party.
Populism, it's what all the popular Democrats will be wearing in 2016.
CountAllVotes
(20,849 posts)Bernie Sanders for President!!!
& recommend!!!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The GOP would swamp the Dems, if Bernie is the nominee!
He is not even a Dem, they have been to good for him!
But now he wants to join, so he can run for President, I am
going to stick with a reliable Dem Hillary!!
bowens43
(16,064 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I think that Bernie's purpose is to hold Hillary Clinton's feet to the fire. The Left wing of the Dem Party for years has been told to hush up and don't rock the boat too much. On TPP Obama says to trust him, he knows what is good for America. HA! He knows what's good for his bank account.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Kick everything for Bernie. Repub sites are like this. They don't want a Bush either, but won't vote for a Clinton, just as it's truly asking way to much for a dem to vote for another Bush. We need an alternative, for everyone to get behind who cares about people in this country!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I consider myself a moderate in that I see the value of many of the arguments that come from different points of the political spectrum, and going with that, I think it often possible to strike bargains that do a lot of good, and little harm.
I see Sanders as a moderate, and I think his appeal is that he is a moderate's moderate. He's a politician, and as such he has to satisfy the electorate. I can't really expect anyone better and I'm very pleased to see him in the running.
P.S. Lol, Sanders might be a smidge to the right of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt* in some important ways. I'd prefer their fire breathing in the White House but I find a moderate like Sanders a perfectly acceptable, reasonable, alternative.
*Yes, they were both products of their era. I score them by their successes at transcending that.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)red dog 1
(27,575 posts)Bernie will give Hillary a run for her money!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)as this one has received.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Obviously Stewart is a Clinton supporter in that he made reference to how Hillary was going to crush Bernie. I thought it was so unfair of him. It was truly a let down.