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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:58 PM Apr 2015

So Bernie Sanders Can't Win, Huh... Might Wanna Read This:

The Worst Week of 1968
By Evan Thomas - Newsweek
11/10/07 at 10:03 AM

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Lyndon Johnson's presidency was collapsing. By day, LBJ watched as the Vietnam War worsened and his polls and credibility plummeted. Brave boasts by the generals that they could see the light at the end of the tunnel in Vietnam had been swept away; now even establishment figures like CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite were saying the United States had to begin winding down the war. In the New Hampshire primary in mid-March, an upstart peace candidate, Eugene McCarthy, a senator heretofore known more for his poetical moods than his legislative achievements, had nearly upset the incumbent president. As the winter of 1968 turned to spring, LBJ's aides were telling him he would lose the Wisconsin primary to McCarthy on April 2.

Johnson dreaded the nights. He dreamt that he was lying in the Red Room of the White House, his body wasted and numb. His grandmother had been paralyzed in her last years, and so had Woodrow Wilson, another president who had struggled with the burden of war. Waking from his tortured sleep, LBJ would take a small flashlight and walk the halls of the White House until he found the portrait of Wilson. Touching the painting, he would be soothed, for the moment, and go back to bed.

Johnson was bitter. "How is it possible," he repeatedly asked, "that all these people could be so ungrateful to me after I had given them so much? Take the Negroes. I fought for them from the first day I came into office. I spilled my guts in getting them the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress … I asked so little in return. Just a little thanks. Just a little appreciation. That's all. But look what I got instead. Riots in 175 cities. Looting. Burning. Shooting …" On and on, Johnson would rant, against the students and poor people who had turned against him, despite all he had done for them, "young people by the thousands leaving their universities, marching in the streets, chanting that horrible song about how many kids had I killed that day …" ("Hey! Hey! LBJ! …&quot

Johnson's worst dream, the most violent and diabolical, began with a twisted take on a cattle stampede. "I felt," Johnson later confided to historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, "that I was being chased on all sides by a giant stampede coming at me from all directions." There were "the rioting blacks, demonstrating students, marching welfare mothers, squawking professors, and hysterical reporters. And then the final straw. The thing that I had feared from the first day of my Presidency was actually coming true. Robert Kennedy had openly announced his intention to reclaim the throne in the memory of his brother. And the American people, swayed by the magic of his name, were dancing in the streets."

Sen. Robert Kennedy had announced for the presidency on March 16. On Sunday evening, March 31, Johnson was scheduled to go on national television to address the nation. The speech was supposed to be about Vietnam, and it contained some surprising news on the war front. Johnson announced that the United States would cease bombing in almost all of North Vietnam, and he invited the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table. But as evening air time approached, the speech still didn't have an ending. At about 5 p.m., as Johnson's speechwriter, Harry McPherson, was laboring over a draft, the president phoned McPherson to tell him he had written his own peroration. McPherson instantly guessed what it would say. "I'm very sorry, Mr. President." "Well," Johnson replied, "I think it's best. So long, podner."

March 31, 1968, was the beginning of one of the worst weeks in American history. From works by historians like Goodwin, Taylor Branch and Arthur Schlesinger Jr., it is possible to reconstruct the inner thoughts of the major players who staggered on- and offstage that week, like doomed actors in a Greek tragedy.

Speaking somberly, slowly, to a nationwide audience that night, Johnson recalled how the country had unified behind the presidency when JFK was shot in 1963. With the country now divided by distrust and suspicion, this was the wrong time, LBJ reasoned, for the president to plunge into partisan politics. "Accordingly," he concluded, "I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."

"You're kidding," Robert Kennedy said when he heard the news as he landed at La Guardia Airport that night. On the way into Manhattan, he was silent, lost in thought. "I wonder if he would have done this if I hadn't come in," he finally said. At his apartment at the U.N. Plaza, he glared at his boisterous aides when their revelry drowned out the sound of the TV news. RFK said he didn't want to hear any champagne corks popping, so his wife, Ethel, brought out the Scotch instead. Ethel, at least, was in a buoyant mood about LBJ's decision not to run again. "Well, he didn't deserve to be president anyways," she remarked. Ethel Kennedy gave her anxious husband what he most craved, unquestioning loyalty and love. Her husband could be a stiff-necked moralist. But he was also a brooder, who kept tattered copies of the Greeks and Shakespeare in his pocket, and he was well acquainted with the darker shades of life.

Kennedy had anguished over the decision to run...

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Much More: http://www.newsweek.com/worst-week-1968-96797
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So Bernie Sanders Can't Win, Huh... Might Wanna Read This: (Original Post) WillyT Apr 2015 OP
And the Democrats lost the election. 4now Apr 2015 #1
Yes... And They Just Might Again... If They Don't Unite Under A Progressive/Liberal Standard Bearer WillyT Apr 2015 #3
Eugene McCarthy would have made all the difference 4now Apr 2015 #9
I'm sorry, but.... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #11
I'm not so sure the Socialist word is that toxic, In a Bernie sort of way madokie Apr 2015 #19
You think Republicans will have a functioning govt with a Socialist? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #26
How will that be different? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #27
I love Bernie too Dem2 Apr 2015 #20
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2015 #28
Thank you! Dem2 Apr 2015 #29
I do too! gopiscrap Apr 2015 #32
It's likely Bobby would have beaten Nixon. n/t hootinholler Apr 2015 #6
No doubt about it. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #8
Unfortunately that was not an option. 4now Apr 2015 #10
Like a gong. hifiguy Apr 2015 #33
I don't know if Bernie can win or not, but what I do know for sure is that he will bring important still_one Apr 2015 #2
Exactly! Andy823 Apr 2015 #14
His entry will also pressure the other candidates to be specific on the issues. That still_one Apr 2015 #17
Sorry, I don't see the analogy... brooklynite Apr 2015 #4
Don't Worry... You'll See Soon Enough... WillyT Apr 2015 #5
I also don't see the beloved brother of the martyred president DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #7
Johnson Chose Not To Run For A Second Term... Unheard Of... Because... WillyT Apr 2015 #15
He was going to lose because he was unpopular...I don't see an analogy for 2016. brooklynite Apr 2015 #16
Sure... A Year And A Half Before The Election... WillyT Apr 2015 #18
This is the primary, not the election. onehandle Apr 2015 #21
We'll See... WillyT Apr 2015 #23
This op will only piss off all the right people. I thank you! L0oniX Apr 2015 #12
You Are Quite Welcome ... WillyT Apr 2015 #13
Utterly wrong election. You mean 1972. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #22
Um... No... I Didn't... WillyT Apr 2015 #24
No--you mean 1972. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #25
In 1968, Johnson was the incumbent and chose not to run for re-election. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #30
That is adorable! Orsino Apr 2015 #31
It is interesting to me that this was written by hifiguy Apr 2015 #34
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
3. Yes... And They Just Might Again... If They Don't Unite Under A Progressive/Liberal Standard Bearer
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

Let the debate begin.



BTW... I'd rather get shot down standing on my feet, Than shot down bowing down to TPTB.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
11. I'm sorry, but....
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

First of all, I wanna say I love love love Bernie (see my sig line), but there is no way Bernie will win. The opposition will be using his soundbite calling himself a socialist over and over. And you know the rest.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. I'm not so sure the Socialist word is that toxic, In a Bernie sort of way
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:04 PM
Apr 2015

I think many people are unhappy with the way things are and would like to have a functioning government where the government provided some services that we can't on our own. His using the word socialist is what got my attention in the first place

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
26. You think Republicans will have a functioning govt with a Socialist?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:28 PM
Apr 2015

One compromise with a Socialist and Republican base will lose their minds.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
27. How will that be different?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 10:19 PM
Apr 2015

Statistically, the Democrats don't need a single Republican vote to win a national election. So why do candidates cater to them?

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
20. I love Bernie too
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:08 PM
Apr 2015

I don't think I've ever disagreed with a word he's said.

That being said, I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of being President. Even if his ideas were "mainstream America", he'd still lose in my opinion.

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
29. Thank you!
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 11:37 PM
Apr 2015

and I am glad he'll be serving this vital function.

I wish there were 1 or 2 more viable left of Hillary candidates as well.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
2. I don't know if Bernie can win or not, but what I do know for sure is that he will bring important
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:12 PM
Apr 2015

Issues to the table that our inept media would never cover

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
14. Exactly!
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:47 PM
Apr 2015

The debates will NOT be boring, that's for sure. I am very glad he has jumped in, win or lose, he will make a difference.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
17. His entry will also pressure the other candidates to be specific on the issues. That
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

should be good for Hillary, and I suspect she will do less triangulation on the issues because of it, and that will only help her positions.




 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
4. Sorry, I don't see the analogy...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:16 PM
Apr 2015

Johnson was, as you point out, remarkably unpopular. Barack Obama is not. Hillary Clinton is not. I welcome Bernie Sanders getting into the race, but I still haven't been presented with a case as to how he wins the Primary, much less the General.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,853 posts)
7. I also don't see the beloved brother of the martyred president
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:22 PM
Apr 2015

I also don't see the beloved brother of the martyred president trying to take back what was so wrongfully taken away.


 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
15. Johnson Chose Not To Run For A Second Term... Unheard Of... Because...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:53 PM
Apr 2015

He was going to lose in Wisconsin to McCarthy...and then Bobby jumped into the race.

He bailed because of Progressive pressure.

He became convinced he could not win a second term.




 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
16. He was going to lose because he was unpopular...I don't see an analogy for 2016.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:55 PM
Apr 2015

Hillary Clinton's popularity today is higher than her high point in 2008.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
18. Sure... A Year And A Half Before The Election...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

And at THIS point... it's ALL about name recognition.



 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
30. In 1968, Johnson was the incumbent and chose not to run for re-election.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:03 AM
Apr 2015

In 1972, Nixon was the incumbent and ran for re-election, winning in a landslide.

What are WillyT and I missing, that makes you think he meant 1972 when he posted about Johnson's decision?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
34. It is interesting to me that this was written by
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:49 PM
Apr 2015

one of the Official Establishment popular historians. I am currently reading the book he wrote with Walter Isaacson, The Wise Men, and Thomas sees some of the same parallels I have been thinking about the last few days.

Yes, we live in a post-Citizens United world, the Money has an immense vested interest in making sure HRC is the nomnee, and any analogy will necessarily imperfect, but there is certainly food for thought here.

Thanks, Willy! Everything you post is always worth reading and thinking about.

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