So, yeah, here's a big heaping helping of "Shut The Fuck Up"

[WilliamPitt]

to those puling about "He's not a Democrat!"

...and an invitation to get on board.

Jump on. Jump in.

Jump. You are fresh out of excuses.

Bernie Sanders to Run for President as a Democrat
http://www.ecowatch.com/2015/04/29/bernie-sanders-run-president-democrat/

Let's do this.

[joeybee12]

1. Unrec...

I like Bernie, I'm glad he's running...but there are quite a few people here who think people are objecting...at least they think there's a lot more than there actually are...

[Katashi_itto]

62. .....

[joeybee12]

76. Thanks for proving my point!

[Katashi_itto]

121. .

[NYC_SKP]

93. Rerec...

Super powers. I haz 'em.



Warren, Sanders, anybody but another Clinton or Bush.

KTHXBAI

[ashling]

192. "Anybody"

I assume from the fact that you put Bush in that dichotomy that you were not referring to the Democratic primary, but to the whole shebang.

So, your "anybody" would include Christy, Walker, Jindal, Cruz, Paul, Carson, et al.

How is that helpful?

How is that a good thing?

[orpupilofnature57]

197. It's not apologizing for the Popular NOTION . And that's good .

[ashling]

211. Please explain what you mean by

"the popular notion"

[orpupilofnature57]

213. That we shouldn't feel compelled to support Secretary Clinton.

And that the Hostile behavior the last two weeks has been " Over the top " toward All those who didn't jump on the feel good moment . Now there is a viable option and the devoted Clinton supporters, don't have to but should listen to the cheers for another candidate.

[NYC_SKP]

219. Are Christy Walker Jindal Cruz Paul and Carson running in the Democratic Primary?

When I say anybody but Clinton, I'm talking about who I think can beat that bunch.

Sheesh.

[ashling]

222. "Sheesh"

I was responding to your statement"

Warren, Sanders, anybody but another Clinton or Bush.

I wasn't aware that Bush was running in the Democratic primary.

[peacebird]

2. K&R!

[onehandle]

3. I hope you don't mean DU.

Because that strawman hasn't surfaced.

[joeybee12]

77. Exactly...nt

[orpupilofnature57]

82. Guess what surfaces every other day, a new problem with Credibility,

Like it or not it's not a football game, cloaked statements sound like a diversion tactic .

[ieoeja]

186. Oh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026591352#post4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026591352#post43

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026591352#post52

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026591352#post134

[Orsino]

4. Well, I guess that settles that.

A politician says he's suddenly a Democrat, so shut the hell up, anyone pointing out that he wasn't one three days ago.

Me, I wish the Democratic Party would catch the hell up to Sanders. If they don't marginalize him instantly, I'll be impressed.

[immoderate]

33. How else do you become a Democrat?

Is there a way to say it gradually?

--imm

[deutsey]

48. It's kind of like joining the Freemasons

The initiation process is very hush hush and shrouded in mystery...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

137. It can't be that tough. Lieberman got in.

[MNBrewer]

173. So did a certain "Goldwater Girl"

[Hekate]

200. What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college?

Please let us know if you matured or if you sprang fully-formed from the head of Zeus like Athena.

[MNBrewer]

207. Hey, I get it. I was a closet-gay "College Republican" in the early 1980s.

Then I came out.
Now I'm a democratic socialist.
I guess I've evolved even more than "H".

[Orsino]

185. Uh, bad example.

Apparently, though, it's not been an evolution Sanders has been willing to make until this week (or this year). While I'd love to believe that party affiliation isn't important, or that Sanders' entry will push the party leftward, there must be some Dems asking why this Socialist/Independent suddenly climbs aboard the Party Train.

Sanders needs a good story, at least early on, because if we don't ask, Sec. Clinton sure as hell will.

One great sign is his gear for sale at the DemStore.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

188. I'm waiting for the reaction over the "Socialist" label attached to the Dems....

From the Republicans it will be total glee that they can say it.

From the ConservaDems it will be

[Orsino]

176. "How," indeed.

i would like to hear him speak on the subject of how he became a Democrat, when and why. These are good interview questions for anyone wanting to lead our party.

I think I'd even be okay with an answer like, "So I could run for president without helping a Republican get elected." I imagine that many or most Dems would want him to expound on trafitional principles that he suddenly realized we embody, or something.

With luck, his announcement will address all this.

[A Simple Game]

167. As far as I can tell he never supported Goldwater. n/t

[Hekate]

201. What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college?

Please let us know if you matured or if you sprang fully-formed from the head of Zeus like Athena.

[A Simple Game]

204. I was a liberal in high school and still haven't grown out of it through two rounds of college. n/t

[Hekate]

206. And you have not matured in your thinking in ANY area of you life? or you were just born wise?

[A Simple Game]

208. I'm starting to think you actually know someone that supported Goldwater. n/t

[Hekate]

210. Only one friend of mine in high school, not me. And high school was 50 years ago, f'gods' sake.

Saying HRC was a Goldwater Girl and expecting that to invalidate the next 50 years of her life is one of the shallowest and dumbest arguments I have ever heard in my life, and it is all over this board.

It ain't simple and it ain't a game.

Bernie is a great guy, as I have said repeatedly. If he gets the nomination, I will support him, as I have said repeatedly. I have not trashed him and I will not trash him -- it would be nice if the other Dems on this board would extend the same courtesy to the other candidates, such as Hillary.

[A Simple Game]

212. I only bring up Goldwater to point out the hypocricy of many on DU.

Many like to point out that Warren was a Republican and that Bernie is not a Democrat but forget that Hillary was once a Republican. I thought that one of our prime missions was to convert Republicans to Democrats, but it seems many think it is more fun to trash them. But what do I know I don't even try to hide the fact that I'm not a Democrat. But if the primaries are close when New York's time comes I may have to rejoin the party.

[Jester Messiah]

172. So, what, it's better to act like a republican your whole career while wearing a [-D] ?

I'm with Sanders. Hopefully he can make that -D mean something more than "Republicans, hold the fundie."

[bravenak]

5. No one seems to be objecting.

Bernie's cool.

[TBF]

17. They got overruled.

(full disclosure - I was juror #1)

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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On Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, yeah, here's a big heaping helping of "Shut The Fuck Up"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026591352

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This thread title is over the top. There is no way that it's okay to tell other members of a discussion board to "shut the fuck up". Sorry WillPitt but this just isn't okay.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:16 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see an issue with this post.
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I haven't posted a word about Hillary, Warren or Sanders so far. But this kind of post makes me not want to get on board.

[bravenak]

19. Ahhh. Ok.

That was kinda weird, that alert. People love saying STFU. They just don't always spell it out.

[TBF]

21. If Hillary's smart she'll welcome the challenge -

it is her carte blanche to move left. When the investment bankers complain she can say it's out of her hands because she has been challenged and needs to satisfy the base.

[bravenak]

23. If he can get her to go left then I support him.

[magical thyme]

36. what difference does it make if she moves left for the primaries

and even the general. And then swings right again when it's time to actually govern?

She helped write TPP. She's arm in arm w/wall street and the banksters.

[bread_and_roses]

46. Exactly (n/t)

[antigop]

47. +1000. nt

[TBF]

72. I'd far prefer Bernie or Liz -

I will take Hillary over Jeb Bush though.

[SMC22307]

119. Exactly. It's so phony...

and rather surprising that many DUers are willing to be so clearly duped.

[leveymg]

177. That's inevitable. HRC will revert to form and rule as a neocon and Goldman Sachs Democrat,

which is identical to what used to be called a Rockefeller Republican.

[LiberalLovinLug]

193. My cynical side says you are right

She swings both ways. Just like Obama. Starts on the upswing on the left, and ends on the upswing on the right.

But at least there is someone to force her to show herself as a hypocrite (not saying she will be, but it makes it easier). Like Obama, he will never shake off his abandonment of closing Gitmo, the Public Option for health insurance, extending the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy etc.

Otherwise she could just run on a Republican light platform staying just barely to the left of whoever is the Republican front runner. I'm sure that's what she'd prefer as she'd get much more of the wishy washy moderate on-the-fence voter to support her. And then once elected she could just point to her primary run and point out that she never promised any economic or military liberal platforms, and shut up us "liberal retards".

But, call me an easy mark, I'm willing to give both Hillary and Bernie a shot at the moment. Clean slate. Let them battle it out in the public arena. Either one is still better than anything the GOP will present.

[Maedhros]

6. Who the hell cares what party he's in, if he's right on all the issues we care about?

He made good on his pledge not to be a spoiler by running as a Democrat. More power to him - his joining the Democratic field only makes the Party more legitimate...

[hifiguy]

7. Yep, as another Bernie Booster here said

at this point I don't give a single owl pellet whether he's running as the Man in the Moon Party candidate. I am sick to death of half-loaf corporatists who don't even deliver the half a loaf.

[notadmblnd]

29. I'd support him if he ran as a Republican

[Hekate]

202. That would mean you supported the Republican Platform and the rest of the GOP candidates...

...that would come along.

Or don't you understand that each Party has a Platform and that they are substantially different?

[notadmblnd]

217. No, it would not mean that I support the Republican Platform and the rest of the GOP candidates

I don't know even know how you could arrive at that conclusion.

[Hekate]

218. You said you would support him if he ran as a Republican. I assume the "even if" is implied.

My point is that the D and R actually have objective meaning when it comes to Presidential candidates. Each political party has a Party Platform, and their nominee is pledged to run on that platform.

Sure your hero could run as a Republican and you would love him just the same after you got over the initial shock. But it would have real-world consequences in that everybody else would take a look at the GOP platform and conclude he was really with that program.

So I am a bit confused that you would even make an offhand comment like that.

[notadmblnd]

224. Thanks for the civics lesson

I don't understand your confusion. Mr. Sanders an independent which according to your logic means he doesn't buy into the Democratic party's agenda lock, stock and barrel either.

Apparently you believe that I just landed on the planet and am unaware that there are plenty of Republicans that are pretending to be Democrats. Many call themselves Blue Dog Democrats but are known as DINOs (Democrats in Name Only) by most liberals.

I feel fairly certain that it is safe to say, that there are conservatives out there that believe there are Republicans that are RINOs too.

So the political parties are not just limited to the box you attempted to portray them in to me.

I believe that Mr. Sanders doesn't live in your box and that he has the integrity that both the Democratic and Republican party lack. I like his record (8 terms in House, 2 in the Senate). I like his honesty and his belief that Government should work for all people and not just for those that can afford to buy it.

Mr. Sanders has stated that he is running as a Democrat because there is no infrastructure in the states set up to support an Independent. So I don't believe he's running Democratic because he agrees with the Democratic platform whole heartedly.

I said what I said because I believe that he's probably the only candidate between both parties who isn't beholding to those who have purchased him. I think that many people will like and admire him for that including many Republicans.

[TheBlackAdder]

8. x 1.7 million

[smokey nj]

12. I'd vote for him if he ran as a freakin' garden gnome.

[winter is coming]

22. Now I'm imagining a Saturday Night Live skit with the Travelocity gnome as Bernie. n/t

[2banon]

129. Yes! The Garden Gnome Party.. yes that will do it I think! :)

[Gidney N Cloyd]

9. "Puling." Cool, I learned a new word.

[Aerows]

10. I give not a fuck

whether Bernie has a chance or not - I will vote for him in the Primary. Anybody that doesn't want to vote for him doesn't have to do so, but I will.

It's called a primary for a reason - you weed out candidates that don't represent the party, and vote for those whose ideals and message resonate with you.

You don't have to be in love with Hillary or Bernie to be a Democrat. You are a Democrat because you want to see our party put forth the best candidate and lead our nation.

[eomer]

11. He's twice the Democrat that the head of the Democratic Party is.

That would be the head of the Democratic Party who says he's effectively a moderate Republican, President Obama.

[abelenkpe]

31. Exactly. Nt

[LiberalLoner]

13. K&R loves me some Bernie!

[olddots]

14. may I ad a heart felt "Bite Me !!! " too ?

I dont regret voting for McGovern and several other people I share ideals with .

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

15. but...but...but he's just like Nader

[onehandle]

24. Who is saying that?

Chicken Little needs to cough up some links.

[smokey nj]

39. Here:

There are a few in this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6585878

And this one
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6583686

And this guy, who I included for comic relief
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6590118

[MaggieD]

80. LOL - the nerve of DEMOCRATS

Expecting someone to declare as a DEMOCRAT in order to enter the DEMOCRATIC primary.

I'm glad Bernie got the DNC rule book and decided to follow the rules. And I wish him the best of luck. He is truly one of the good guys. The jury is decidedly still out on his supporters though.

[smokey nj]

84. Yeah, how dare supporters of a candidate defend him from baseless attacks.

[MaggieD]

95. It's going to be a long campaign season for you folks

First of all, correcting the billgerent claims by Sanders supporters INSISTING he can run in a DEMOCRATIC primary without declaring as. DEMOCRAT is not in any way, shape or form, an attack. It's simply stating the DNC rules. They are common sense rules and there is nothing new about them.

Secondly, it's not "baseless" at all. He was quoted numerous times as saying he was undecided about declaring as a DEMOCRAT. Glad he got the memo about the rules.

[smokey nj]

96. The only one being belligerent was you and you didn't correct anything.

The only thing you did was expose yourself as a bully. And yes, you did compare Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader, which was why I posted the link to the thread.

[MaggieD]

97. Yet oddly it turned out I was right

Go figure, huh?

I will say, so far his supporters don't represent him very well.

[smokey nj]

105. No, you weren't right because you totally missed the point of that thread.

A thread that was started because people were complaining that Bernie saying he's running in the Democratic Primaries wasn't quite Democratic enough. And, you did compare him to Ralph Nader and Joe Lieberman - you're definitely not right about that.

Now I'm really tired of this conversation, so have a good night.

[MaggieD]

108. He wasn't a Democrat at all until he declared as....

... As a Democrat. I assume he did that because it was made clear to him that the DNC rules state he has to declare he is running as a Democrat. Nice to see that Bernie gets it even if his supporters can't seem to grasp that simple concept.

Not a single person said he wasn't "Democrat enough". Just that he can't run in the DEMOCRATIC primary as an INDEPENDENT.

[smokey nj]

110. And nobody claimed he was going to run in the primary as an Independent. Now have a good night.

[MaggieD]

120. LOL - they sure did

Just look at the titles of the MULTIPLE OPs they started. That says it all! My favorites were the folks who don't know the difference between state party registration and DNC requirements. As if that exempted him from DNC rules. Hilarious when people are so dogmatic while being 100% incorrect.

You have a good evening too! (sincerely).

[smokey nj]

123. No they didn't. Have a good night.

[demwing]

128. I'll listen

If you have links that show what you're claiming (not just links you believe shows what you're claiming), then I'll listen.

D

[MaggieD]

133. I'm not playing go fetch for you

Maybe you should ask Will Pitt. He apparently saw them and had a meltdown.

They are in GD and the title of the OPs both declare that since Bernie can't "register" for a party in Vermont it doesn't matter if he declares as a Democrat. Apparently they believe the DNC allows people of any party to run in our presidential primary.

Fricking ridiculous.

[demwing]

178. Yeah, I thought so

not a damn thing

[Aerows]

140. "You folks"

Which folks would that be, exactly?

[MaggieD]

144. the snarling, billigerent Sanders supporters....

... who live in an imaginary world of persecution. For instance, see the OP of this thread.

[Aerows]

146. Are you referring to the people on DU

that just happen to disagree with you?

We are more than capable of disagreeing with one another without starting to use "us vs. them" language here on DU.

I know it, because I care about this community. I've put in my time to foster it as a place where people can freely exchange ideas.

You can participate, be a polite contributor, and help make this a great place to post.

You can do otherwise, and foment discord. That way leads to harm for everybody else, disruption of the community, and ugliness that we do not need on DU.

[MaggieD]

147. LOL - has nothing to do with me

This has become HRC bash and snarling Warren / Sander supporter central. The OP here is a perfect example. What? Do you think I jumped into Will Pitts head and forced him to declare we all STFU?
I've never had an interaction with him in my life.

[Aerows]

148. I'm not seeing "snarling"

I'm seeing disagreement, and that is healthy. What isn't healthy is claiming that people are "snarling" when it is just a difference of opinion.

The hyperbole you are using is rather ... well, odd, and designed to incite.

[MaggieD]

150. Well I am

STFU is billigerent and snarly. And sadly, is starting to appear representive.

[KittyWampus]

171. You really don't see the persecution complex on display? You haven't noticed thread after thread

of supposed Bernie supporters whinging about how poor Bernie is being unfairly attacked by mean DU'ers even though he is being almost universally accepted and appreciated?

REALLY?

My irony meter just broke.

You posted on a thread that tells other DU'ers to SHUT THE FUCK UP and say "You can do otherwise, and foment discord. That way leads to harm for everybody else, disruption of the community, and ugliness that we do not need on DU."

[MaggieD]

151. I don't have a side

As I have repeated about 100 times now, I welcome ALL Democrats in the race. I don't believe in bashing any Democrat. I know you do, but I do not share your view.

I will donate to every Dem in the primary (with the exception of Chafee if he runs). I believe in a robust primary process. The nomination is decided by the time my state holds one. I wil vote for the Democratic nominee in the general.

And now I will journal this so I can cut and paste it when "you folks" snarl at me because I won't pledge my fealty to your preferred candidate.

[rhett o rick]

181. Interesting that you claim not to have a side.

There are two major "sides" in the Democratic Party.

One side supports: ------------------ The other side supports:
Regulating fracking-----------------------Unregulated fracking ("a bridge to a new energy future&quot
Fair Trade Agreements------------------- So-called Free Trade Agreements
Rolling back the Patriot Act----------------Strengthening the Patriot Act (current Admin)
Regulating Domestic Spying---------------Giving the NSA/CIA Security State unlimited power and budget
Cutting back the wars in the M.E.---------- More troops in the M.E. (neocons agree with this side)
Ending illegal drone killing-------------------Drone killing
Raising the SS cap--------------------------Saving SS via the chained CPI
Bringing back Glass-Steagall----------------Ok with unregulated banks
Spending money on our infrastructure------Ambivalent about our infrastructure.

While both sides are agreeable on most social equality issues they are a long way apart on many other issues. I think the current candidates differ on the above mentioned issues.

I think you have a good idea which side you are on.

[MaggieD]

187. As usual you can't back any of that up

It's just whatever your imagination wants to believe.

[fadedrose]

86. He's not like Nader at all

That is an untruth. I know because I did not vote for Nader....

[Zorra]

16. Woot! It just keeps on getting better! nt

[TBF]

18. If he's on our primary ballot I'm voting for him. No question. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

20. I'm more concerned with the grownups out of the third way reminding us that he's unelectable.

There seems to be some hardliners that are super invested in a Clinton win. I just hope the third way get's on board and does the right thing. Don't split the party, third way.

[smokey nj]

26. Just because they say it, doesn't make it correct.

Check out the article cali linked to here. Matt Taibbi hits the nail on the head.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026589722

[Ed Suspicious]

37. I read that earlier and loved it. Thanks for the reminder.

[woo me with science]

25. K&R

[L0oniX]

91. Join the group ---> http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. Sanders/Lee

[haikugal]

40. That would be awesome...good suggestion!

[Zorra]

92. Totally freakin' brilliant idea, NJNP.

[BrotherIvan]

113. You bet

I'm all about that ticket

[Fantastic Anarchist]

28. This kills the deniers. n/t

[99Forever]

30. He's not just a Democrat, he's a Democrat that has a long history...

... acting like a Democrat in all things he does. A PROVEN history of being on the side of We the People above moneyed corporate oligarchs.

With Bernie, we finally have a voice again, one that won't just campaign "*to the left*", he actually is one of us and will carry that fighting spirit into the Oval Office.

Not cheap focus group tested rhetoric, action and results.

[zeemike]

89. And that should be the primary criteria of a Democrat.

Words don't mean shit anymore...actions always speak the truth.

[Duval]

32. Absolutely, WRP!

Victor and I are so excited and, btw, we encouraged him to run by email and donations.

I've JUMPED!

[darkangel218]

34. K&R!

[blue neen]

35. I don't have any excuses. I have questions.

Ordinary questions.

I, for one, want to know if Bernie Sanders will be eligible to be on the ballot on my state of PA. If he is unable to be on the ballot, he can't get any delegates. If he can't get any delegates, he can't win the nomination.

This legitimate and important question has been asked on other threads, and so far I've yet to see a definitive answer. If it has been answered, please feel free to show me.

There are a number of people here who are truly welcoming other candidates into this race and are truly undecided as to who they want to support. As a supporter of Bernie, wouldn't it behoove you to find out his ballot status in states like PA rather than spend your time hurling ugly taunts?

[bvf]

45. Aren't these questions a bit premature?

And why wouldn't he be eligible?

He'll be on your ballot. I'll bet anything.

[blue neen]

52. The question of whether a candidate can win the proper amount of delegates is quite relevant.

In PA, only Democrats and Republicans are involved in the primary process. When you register to vote in PA, you must declare as Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, No Affiliation, or Other. This seems to read that Bernie would not be eligible in the PA Primary as things currently stand. If someone here knows the actual ruling in PA, please clarify for us.

If Bernie is running for President, it is not premature at all to make sure he will be eligible to be included in the primaries in all states. You want to make sure he gets all the delegates he can, right?

[bvf]

61. He has stated he won't be a spoiler.

I take that to mean he'll switch party affiliation.

[truebluegreen]

191. Bernie isn't registering to vote in PA,

and can't do so in his home state, since they don't register as a party there. So where would he "register?" He can run as a Democrat by running as a Democrat.

[former9thward]

51. In PA a candidate must file a nomination petition of 2% of

the voters in the last election. It will be the same requirement for Sanders, Clinton or anyone else. Why do you think Sanders would not be eligible for the ballot?

http://www.co.armstrong.pa.us/departments/public-services/elections-votersregistration/running-for-public-office

[blue neen]

57. Only Democrats and Republicans are in the primary.

I think.

[former9thward]

70. We have a loose system in the U.S.

Nomination papers normally do not ask if a candidate is a party member. They ask what office they are running for and which party. Nomination petitions require the voters who sign to be party members. Sanders will not have an issue getting on the PA ballot as a Democrat.

[MADem]

153. FEC Form 2 asks for party affiliation in block four.

That form is a candidacy declaration form, and Sanders has fifteen days to file it after he announces.

The last time he filed the form (for his senate run) he said he was an "I" -- Independent.

[former9thward]

180. The state sets the nomination requirements for the primary election.

The FEC is just for campaign expense reporting. They do not make the ballot access rules for the state.

[MADem]

184. He's not going to run on Love and Pale Moonlight.

The FEC is not just for reporting--it's also for gaining access to 'matching funds.' That's a key element for campaigns that don't have deep pockets.

And the Democratic Party isn't going to "take him on" and call him to the podium to accept the nomination in Philadelphia in July 2016 unless he files as a Democrat.

He could get all the votes in the world, but if he gets them as an INDEPENDENT and not as a Democrat, then the Democratic Party, at their convention, is not obligated to put him forward as "their" candidate. They don't owe him a thing in that instance.

Until he identifies himself as a Democrat to the Federal Election Committee, he's not a Democrat. When he does, and FWIW I assume he will, if the DNC is handing out money to all their primary candidates, he'll get a taste.

Further, in order for his name to be placed on the ballot in Vermont, he has to identify his party affiliation as part of the process to collect a bunch of signatures. The signature form requires that he identify the party with which he wants to be identified -- the petition form is very clear-cut. He can't wiggle around on this matter--he has to state his party affiliation on the form. This is the precise language of the petition form:

PETITION FOR NOMINATION TO PLACE NAME ON THE BALLOT
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION, MARCH 1, 2016
I join in a petition to place on the presidential primary ballot of the ______________________ Party,
the name of ________________________________________________, whose residence is in the
(city, town) of _______________________________ in the county of _______________________ in
the state of _____________________________, for the office of President, to be voted for on
Tuesday, the 1st day of March, 2016; and I certify that I am at the present time a registered voter
and am qualified to vote for a candidate for this office.

SIGNATURE (Your signature will
NOT count if it cannot be read by the
officer where the petition is filed.)

PRINT NAME HERE

TOWN OF RESIDENCE
(Where you physically reside &
where your name is on the voter
checklist.)

Also, and more to the point, voters in, say, Vermont, don't declare a party affiliation, but Vermont does have a Vermont Democratic Party infrastructure. These are the people who "input" into the ballot process along with other actors like the Secretary of State.

[former9thward]

214. You are posting what the voter must sign NOT the candidate.

At no place does it say the person must be a member of that party. There are no convention rules saying he must be a Democrat. And the DNC does not anoint candidates. Delegates do.

[MADem]

215. Uh....please look at the TOP of the page. The candidate--or his people--have to fill that out.

When the candidate hands in the thousand or whatever signatures and the two thousand bucks filing fee, he's got to fill out another form as well. It's called a consent form and it details how the candidate's name will appear on the ballot (see the 2nd page of that link to the petition form). https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/candidates/presidential-candidates.aspx

CONSENT OF CANDIDATE FORM (17 V.S.A. §2702)
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION
Each candidate for office in a Presidential Primary on March 1, 2016, must file a consent form with
the filing officer in order to authorize the printing of his or her name on the primary ballot.
OFFICE WHERE TO FILE
President Vermont Secretary of State
Attn: Elections
128 State Street
Montpelier, VT 05633-1101
Please complete this form carefully. This form is required by law to establish exactly how each candidate’s
name, state of residence, and party will appear on the ballot. The law also requires that each candidate
provide us with a mailing address. You may include initials or nicknames in your name; however, titles (i.e.
Doctor, Esquire, etc.) cannot appear on the ballot. It will be most helpful if you limit your name – including
spaces – to no more than 24 characters.
This form is due in the Office of the Vermont Secretary of State no later than 5:00 p.m. on
MONDAY, January 11, 2016.
I consent to having my name printed on the ballot for the office of:
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
in the State of
VERMONT
My name, state of residence, and party are as follows – exactly as I want it to appear on the ballot:
(PLEASE TYPE OR PRINT CLEARLY)
Name: ______________________________________________
State of residence: ____________________________________
Party: ______________________________________________
Candidate’s signature: ___________________________________________ Date: _____________
Mailing Address:______________________________________

Town, State, Zip:_____________________________________
Daytime phone:______________________________________
Evening/weekend phone: ______________________________

One way or another, on one form or another, Senator Sanders is going to have to fish or cut bait. We will know, when he files these documents, if he's a Democrat, or if he's doing something else. The interview he gave with Wolf Blitzer today after declaring his intent to run makes me wonder--he dodged the specific question about party affiliation when asked. We'll just have to wait and see what he writes on these forms.

Who anoints the delegates, since we're getting into that end of things? VT has very specific rules about gender of delegates, and they also like to see a distribution of races and ethnicities--it's in the Vermont Democratic Party rulebook, there--not the DNC rulebook. The DNC doesn't jump in until the nominating process in Philadelphia.

[former9thward]

226. You changed what you posted.

You posted a different form in the post I replied to. Do you think no one would notice that? Also you keep talking about the Vermont. This sub-thread was about PA ballot access not Vermont.

[MADem]

228. No, I didn't. There are, in fact, THREE FORMS. At least!

This conversation is in aid of establishing what PARTY the Senator will affiliate with--no?

The first form is the FEC form. The candidate must fill in Block 4, identifying his party.

The second form is the petition form required by the state(s). These also require that the party be identified. I didn't try to "game" you that the form was different--it was in ADDITION TO the first form that I provided this, to demonstrate that Sanders will have to decisively STATE his party affiliation when he gathers signatures in the STATES.

There is a THIRD form--that goes along with the second form, usually called a "consent form." In this form, the candidate is required to tell the state--and it doesn't matter what state, they all have similar guidelines--how he or she wants his or her name to appear on the ballot, exact spelling, nickname, and PARTY AFFILIATION.

But at the end of the day, it only matters what the candidate himself says, and what the affected party chair says. Sanders has said he will run as a Democrat:

Sanders first announced his run in an email to supporters and media sent just after midnight early Thursday morning.
"After a year of travel, discussion and dialogue, I have decided to be a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president," he wrote in the email, highlighting economic inequality, climate change and the Citizens United Supreme Court decisions as key issues spurring him to run.

Sanders first confirmed to the Associated Press in a story published Wednesday that he plans to run for the Democrats' 2016 presidential nomination.

And Debbie Wasserman Schultz has welcomed him, in a measured way, to the fold:

For their part, the Democratic National Committee offered a measured welcome of Sanders to the 2016 race on Thursday.

"Sanders is well-recognized for his principled leadership and has consistently stood up for middle class families," DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in the statement. "Throughout his service in the U.S. House and Senate, Bernie Sanders has clearly demonstrated his commitment to the values we all share as members of the Democratic Party."

[silvershadow]

38. Yep. nt

[oberliner]

41. Hillary will be our nominee

Try to get excited about that.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com

[Comrade Grumpy]

49. Just...can't...do...it.

If she does become the nominee, I hope she excites somebody, but it won't be me.

[Adrahil]

169. You don't have to be excited, you just have to vote. Winning matters. n/t

[bvf]

50. I'll ultimately vote for the nominee.

Whoever gets the nod will in the end be a far better choice than anyone in the clown car.

Meanwhile, I'm excited about Bernie, and will work for him. We'll see what happens.

[oberliner]

53. Much respect

I just hope we can all shake hands and be friendly and get behind whomever the nominee ends up being.

[bvf]

66. Thanks for that.

What's painful to me is to read comments from people implying they'd sit out an election rather than vote for X.

That just strikes me as petulant and dangerous.

[oberliner]

68. I share your pain

Hopefully, we can keep the presidency in the hands of the Democratic party even if it means working for a candidate we might not be 100 percent crazy about in every way.

[bullwinkle428]

101. Living in a swing state, your words reflect my feelings exactly.

[KingCharlemagne]

227. That's it, isn't it? There's not a single candidate in the Republican Party that I can

think of currently who even holds a candle to any Dem (at least at the national level). That's how far over the edge the Republicans have gone into the dark, swampy morass of demagoguery, charlatanism and anti-intellectualism.

[LWolf]

58. That won't be happening. nt

[catnhatnh]

60. I am excited about it...

...and will vote for Senator Sanders to prevent it!

[oberliner]

65. Your vote will not prevent it

I think it's great that Sanders is running. It will get folks talking about some serious issues that need to be talked about.

That being said, he has no chance to get the nomination.

[catnhatnh]

67. Perhaps...

But until then I refuse to be assimilated...

[oberliner]

69. Understood

Let's hope we can all come together on the other side and work towards getting our nominee elected president, whoever she or he may be.

[L0oniX]

142. *

[cantbeserious]

158. I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate

[F4lconF16]

42. Gahhhhhh

He's not a socialist.

But other than that,

Run Bernie, Run!

[Cryptoad]

43. Born an Independent,,, Raised an Independent,,,,, Behold a Democrat! LMAO

[BeanMusical]

189. Born a Republican... Raised a Republican... Behold Hillary!

[Cryptoad]

190. You must not know many Republicans if you think,,,,

HRC is one.....

[BeanMusical]

221. Where did I say that she's a republican?

I was mimicking your post, which I found annoying at the time because I had a bad day. There's nothing more to it, my bad.

[Hekate]

203. What were you doing in HIGH SCHOOL that you grew out of in college?

Did you mature or did you spring fully formed from the head of Zeus like Athena?

[MADem]

216. People who wanted to be cheesy could use those same words, and add

"Went out in the world and worked until late middle age as a Repubican" and then name a popular Democratic Senator who focuses on the excesses of Wall Street, but what point would any of that serve?

Hillary Clinton has been a Democrat for longer than many people on this board have been alive. She's certainly been one longer than many of the popular alternatives that have been floated. Longer than Liz Warren, longer than Jim Webb, and certainly longer than Bernie Sanders.

[LuvLoogie]

44. I'm still intending to vote for Hillary

No excuses.

Then I'll vote for Bernie should he win the nomination. But he'll only win by attacking the GOP and pumping up the Democratic brand. He won't win by attacking Hillary. He should leave that to DU.

[Buns_of_Fire]

54. Come tomorrow, when he officially announces,

I'll be switching my wholehearted support to him from Vermin Supreme.

Just as well. The landlord doesn't allow us to keep ponies in the bedroom, anyway.

Oh, and for those few who trot out that BS about "he's not a Democrat!", I quote from the DNC Charter, Article Eight, Section 1:

The Democratic Party of the United States shall be open to all who desire to support the Party and who wish to be known as Democrats.

I submit that anyone who declares themselves as a candidate for the Democratic nomination is a Democrat. So there. (And he's sure as hell a better Democrat than a lot who have called themselves Democrats!)

[mountain grammy]

56. He'll be a great candidate..

maybe the American public will finally fucking learn a thing or two..

[LWolf]

59. Bernie's got my enthusiastic, active support. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

63. jump!

Van Halen-Jump Official Video:

[The Wizard]

64. Bernie represents Democratic principles

more so than anyone else in politics.

[MineralMan]

71. Screw that! I'll vote for Bernie.

I wouldn't vote for you, though. Telling people to "Shut the Fuck up" is a shitty argument for anything. Get over yourself. Sell your candidate. Don't insult DUers.

[steve2470]

162. +1 nt

[RoccoR5955]

73. I only wonder

if the Third Way crew, and the staunch Hillary supporters will back Sanders when he wins the primary.
Will they turn sour grapes like they did in 2004, or will they support the Democratic Party's candidate?

[Lyric]

74. I adore Bernie, but I'm a Hillary Clinton girl all the way.

However, I will be voting for whichever Democrat wins the nomination, because ANY Dem is better than one of the clown car denizens. And you know I adore you too, so there!

[redstateblues]

94. Bernie will get some votes in New England. In TN

and the rest of the south he will not do well. It will, however, give all the Hillary haters six months of euphoria. Hopefully they will vote for the Democrat in the general.

[Raine1967]

75. To be very honest, had any Clinton supporter said something like this

I would be offended. Thing is, I didn't see anything like that. I never saw a Clinton supporter here on DU saying STFU.

I really don't think this helps DU.

Right now I am truly welcoming of every candidate that wants to be a part of the primary, I would never tell a supporter of whatever candidate I decided to choose to STFU.

As someone who listens to Sanders every week on Thom Hartman, I kinda believe that Sanders would not really like this sentiment either. He's not devisive.

[one_voice]

98. that's the first thing I thought too...

Let's play a game here: Let's use Hillary here:

So, yeah, here's a big heaping helping of "Shut The Fuck Up"
to those puling about "Hillary is a corporatist Democrat!"

...and an invitation to get on board.

Jump on. Jump in.

Jump. You are fresh out of excuses.

Or Martin O'Malley

So, yeah, here's a big heaping helping of "Shut The Fuck Up"
to those puling about "O'Malley is an unknown!"

...and an invitation to get on board.

Jump on. Jump in.

Jump. You are fresh out of excuses.

Yeah, that would go over real well.

I agree this isn't helpful, in fact I think it's rude.

I like Bernie, in fact I love Bernie. His supporters, not so much, they're enough to make me want to stfh=stay the fuck home.

[Raine1967]

130. Thank you for the input.

I have been saying for a while that I want to wait and see how things play out.

This STFU attitude is really insulting to this that are on board for Clinton and people like me who are taking a wait and see approach. I like having a wealth of riches.

I do not like seeing people being told to shut up.

[Starry Messenger]

117. This. n/t

[betsuni]

132. I completely agree.

It's childish.

[MaggieD]

78. Another over the top Sanders supporter

SMH. Strawmen, strawmen, everywhere.

[orpupilofnature57]

79. YES ! YES ! What constitutes a Democrat and WHO looks more like a Republican ??

Bernie Sanders is the Citizen Thomas Jefferson said we needed to make democracy survive the scoundrels that mean to usurp it .

[quickesst]

81. most ironic....

....looking over a fence admonishing someone else while completely ignoring the pile of crap they are standing on in order to do it. I have not seen any Clinton supporter tell the anti Clinton people to "shut the fuck up"........until now.

[orpupilofnature57]

85. Oh let me count the ways, Are you kidding ??

[quickesst]

99. count them...

....and no. Well, except me. With the exception perhaps of a different language, as far as I know there is only one way to say "SHUT THE FUCK UP", but even then it's still shut the fuck up. Period. Uh, not here. Up there.

[orpupilofnature57]

104. Being BANNED from a discussion for not being a Mindless cheerleader .

Or allowed in a group, now if that wasn't telling me to " Shut the FUCK UP " i DON'T KNOW WHAT IS . Sorry her problems have nothing to do with us, they have to do with entitlement.

[quickesst]

114. still waiting...

....that's rich. Getting banned from a certain group for not following their rules is by no means telling anyone to shut the fuck up. If rules were made to be broken, alerts on this board wouldn't exist. Post what you did to get banned in general discussion where it belongs or in your own group, and unless you are just absolutely offensive, I can almost guarantee you will not be banned. Time and place for everything. The bad timing and placement is on you.

[orpupilofnature57]

106. Sorry about that misplaced comma, but not about Hillary .

And picking apart punctuation won't help her .

[quickesst]

124. Hilary....

...won't need my help except for my vote. as for the grammar thing, I was just goofing with you.

[orpupilofnature57]

165. And for the same reasons she won't need your help, MSM and

corrupt corporate cash, hopefully won't be enough to outweigh the truth . She like all of us, is partially who she " Needs " .

[quickesst]

209. ok...

All of this is simple to me. I'm voting for Hillary in the primary. If Bernie can beat her, I'll gladly vote for Bernie. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. I'm a Democrat. Logic and common sense dictate that I do what I can to keep a republican out of the white house.

[fadedrose]

83. I'm jumping, I'm jumping

but oh my poor old back...

[orpupilofnature57]

90. Nobody playing hoop against the President, but he does Challenge him on

the TPP, tax shelters for the wealthiest Americans, and has integrity on his voting record .

[tavernier]

87. I'm happy!!

Two Dems fighting it out is perfect! Let's see what they have to bring.

My problem was another ticket bringing votes to Jebbie. (Yeah, like this didn't happen before...)

[L0oniX]

88. Join the Bernie Sanders group...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

[NanceGreggs]

100. Where the fuck am I?

It's been discussed on this site for months that if Sanders ran, it would be as a Democrat. Is this really news to anyone?

Brushing aside the army of strawmen that have been erected here today - from "the HRC supporters are having a FIT over Bernie running!" to "the Hillary crowd is petrified of a Bernie run" - this seems like yet another call-out of people who, for the most part, don't exist.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find an HRC supporter, a Warren supporter, an O'Malley supporter - and supporters of any other possibilities - who doesn't respect and admire Sanders, and doesn't welcome his participation in the process.

It would seem that the big heaping helping of STFU is over-kill in the circumstances, given that those "puling" are so few, a teeny teaspoon would more than suffice.

[Andy823]

111. Exactly!

I have seen threads for Bernie where NOBODY jumped in and trashed him, nobody. I can't believe there has to be so much BS about this. It's like some here what to keep stirring the pot and make false comments in order to do so. Everyone loves Bernie who why not post positive things instead of negative. Sometimes I just can't understand the craziness on D.

[NuclearDem]

135. Seriously, what the fuck is in the water tonight?

Spiking the ball in a game no one but themselves were playing.

[shenmue]

139. Vodka, I should hope

[MADem]

154. A heapin' helping of "fuck," apparently.

Along with exhortations to "SHUT UP!!!"

Not very democratic, nor very progressive, if you ask me.

But not unexpected!

[MADem]

156. It's all coming out of the same sound machine.

Drama, fucks, whining, aggrieved defensiveness, and all!

I say "Run, Bernie Run!" Pound the podium, shake your fist, fire people up! Go to town!!!

He'll be an interesting voice, and better still, he'll take some of the heat, for a change.

The GOP has a hard time when there's more than one candidate--they have trouble focusing. They'll be bound to start saying nasty stuff, showing us their petulant asses... and that will benefit our team.

It's all good!

[NanceGreggs]

159. It IS all good!

But there are some here who have a vested interest in stoking fires - real and imaginary - and any sort of fight that can be fabricated between supporters of different (D) candidates WILL be.

I am happy for the Bernie supporters who now have their long wished-for candidate in the race. It's their night to celebrate.

One can only wonder why some feel a need to remind us if the animosity - real and imaginary - between Democrats who are all happy to be supporting the candidate they believe in.

[MADem]

160. I hear you, and I agree.

The more the merrier, let's get the party started.

Without telling people to shut the fuck up, preferably!

I guess that's too much to ask, though. Some actors just got to have that drama....

[NanceGreggs]

163. Yes, some actors DO need the drama. n/t

[Suji to Seoul]

102. Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!

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[hrmjustin]

103. I support Hillary but wish Sanders well.

[orpupilofnature57]

109. Bernie !!!!!

[TBF]

115. ...

That's the mature approach. Unfortunately GD: tends to blow up during primaries. I'm going to vote for Bernie if he's on the ballot down here. No illusions about it though - Hillary's support is strong amongst latina women. In the end I think it's likely she'll be the nominee and then we all will vote for her.

[Gore1FL]

107. He is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist running for the Democratic Party nomination

Our system is set up as two party and he caucuses with the Democrats. Only fools run as third party. I'm not sure what is news here.

Go Bernie!

[smokey nj]

118. It's a long story. Check out a thread in the new Bernie Sanders for a hint of it.

I'd suggest you have plenty of Advil or Tylenol handy before reading it though.

[blackspade]

112. rock the fuck out!

[orpupilofnature57]

116. + 1000 !!!

[workinclasszero]

122. STFU? You mean on democratic underground

we have to fucking apologize for being democrat??

WTF?

[Thespian2]

125. As Matt says

Bernie is the only honest politician he has met...

I have been on board...

[hughee99]

126. One could argue that he is more faithful to

The party ideals than any "real" elected Democrat.

[ucrdem]

127. He's currently a member of DSA whose honorary chair is Cornel West:

http://www.dsausa.org/search_results?cx=010903528041649108937%3Aosbcyc2c-68&ie=UTF-8&q=sanders&sa=Search

[Oilwellian]

131. lol'ing at the puling in this thread

Go Bernie!

[NuclearDem]

134. The fuck is with the hostility?

Our dearest apologies for supporting a Democrat over an Independent (until just now) on a Democratic website.

[MADem]

157. That's a good question....!

[lastlib]

136. He's a better Democrat than most Democrats!

I could absolutely campaign for him.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

138. Now watch the Unions back Bernie over Hillary....

Then the Hillary people will attack the Unions.

[L0oniX]

141. I hope so.

[antigop]

164. Big Labor eyes Hillary warily

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/big-labor-hillary-clinton-113410.html

Union leaders vow they won’t be taken for granted in 2016.

Frustrated by President Barack Obama and wary of Hillary Clinton’s perceived closeness to Wall Street, several leading figures in organized labor are resisting falling in line early behind the former secretary of state as the inevitable Democratic presidential nominee.

Top officials at AFL-CIO are pressing its affiliates to hold off on an endorsement and make the eventual nominee earn their support and spell out a clear agenda. The strategy is designed to maximize labor’s strength after years of waning clout and ensure a focus on strengthening the middle class, but it could provide an opening for a candidate running to Clinton’s left to make a play for union support.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

174. Expect Hillary's team to show her the movie, "Norma Rae" so she can fake it.

[George II]

143. So because he's finally decided to run as a Democrat we should STFU....

....and change any allegiance we may have had for another candidate and support him?

Do you REALLY think he can get 65+ million votes in the general election?

[AtomicKitten]

149. Hear, hear.

[McCamy Taylor]

152. Good. We need more candidates to liven up the debates.

And we need to have left wing candidates so that the eventual nominee looks middle of the road so as not to scare the independents. He can be this years Jesse Jackson/ Dennis Kucinich/ that guy from Alaska whose name I always forget but he did a great job of making all the other Dems look moderate in 2008.

As long as he doesn't get any smart ideas about running a third party splitter campaign in the general.

[AgingAmerican]

155. They are flogging a dead horse

A rotten in the sun for six months, putrefied horse.

[PatrickforO]

161. Bernie's more of a Democrat than the rest, that's for sure.

[Enthusiast]

166. Kicked and recommended! I knew it! This post has hundreds of recommendations!

Yay, Bernie!

[IronLionZion]

168. Are many DUers against Bernie?

Or is this more brave defiance against imaginary enemies?

I'm glad Bernie's running. Hell, I live in the bluest of blue so I might vote for him regardless.

[orpupilofnature57]

196. He has more Democratic virtues than anybody else in the race .

[IronLionZion]

198. And this shows the hatred he gets from the Democratic party

I just got this disgusting email from so-called "Democrats" who just can't handle Bernie's run.

Breaking 2016 news, IronLionZion: Senator Bernie Sanders just announced that he is running for president.

We're more than a year away from the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia -- when we'll actually choose our Democratic nominee and the 45th President of the United States. But we know one thing for sure: Having a wide range of progressive views in this race is good for the dialogue of our party and for our country.

And Bernie Sanders is a progressive champion. He's represented the people of Vermont for years in the Senate after 16 years in the House of Representatives. Throughout his career, he's been a fierce advocate for working families and has a strong record of supporting equal pay for women, working to raise the minimum wage, taking action on climate change, and fighting for an economy that works for the middle class. We couldn't be more excited to hear him to say he's in.

So can you take a second to show you're in for 2016 as well?

http://my.democrats.org/Bernie-Sanders

No matter what, Democrats share a set of principles that will ensure that President Obama's progress is defended and advanced. America will be a better place with a Democrat in the Oval Office, and this is a critical time in the race to support our party.

So welcome, Sen. Sanders, and thank you for saying you're in for 2016!

We'll keep you updated, IronLionZion.

Thanks,

DNC 2016



The Democrats who are against Bernie Sanders exist mostly in the minds of a few delusional haters around here. Some DUers desperately want to feel oppressed for some reason. whomp whomp

[orpupilofnature57]

199. I'm afraid to agree with you for fear of Banishment, but I do .

[Adrahil]

170. Im supporting Hillary, but much love for Bernie and i wish him luck! N/t

[PeaceNikki]

175. When a politician identifies as a third party, there's a legitimate concern they would run on

a third party ticket. And that's a dangerous move in the general election. We all know that. Yourself included. He's not and has a good chance of moving the conversation left on the Democratic ticket, thus relieving the very tell and legitimate concern some of us had.

But it's easy to dismiss and *super* dramatic to just serve us all a "heaping helping of shut the fuck up". So, whatever makes YOU feel superior, Will. Clearly that's what is important.

[Triana]

179. I got that the other day.

"Remember what happened when Nader ran!"

Bullshit.

Nader ran as an Indy

Bernie is running as a DEMOCRAT.

Not the same.

[Go Vols]

229. +1

[Pooka Fey]

182. From the Urban Dictionary "puls" and "pul"

I. puls

Old Language German word for a protector or a protecting force.

1) As a person, it always was used singularly and from older to younger.

2) As a force, it referred to a natural energy

Was also a specific shield design. The shield was shaped as a hour glass
1) The young boys puls was never far away

2) There seemed to be a puls about the forest.

de dadadadumbass 29 mars 2009

II. pul

literally, 'flame'.

but has a variety of connotations including:

N- buddy
Adj.- in good taste, sexy

a nonsensical expression of approval.

used religiously by AZNglo and arreks.
"sup, pul."

"puuuuuuul."

"those dunks are so pul."

de tdxalways 18 avril 2009

http://fr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Puls

[hamsterjill]

183. I'm a Hillary supporter and I do not object to Bernie.

In fact, I like Bernie a lot. I'm happy and hopeful that we will have a robust debate during the primaries and you cannot have a discussion when you have only one person putting forth ideas. Bernie has a lot to offer to this process.

What I do object to is being told to "Shut The Fuck Up".

[raven mad]

194. AMEN!

Oops, I'm probably not allowed to say that. Registered Dem at age 18.......... I'm now 61!

[Daemonaquila]

195. Let's do.

My husband has pledged that for every person who genuinely whines about Bernie running because he's "unelectable" or "splitting the vote," etc., he's going to donate another $10. We finally have a candidate.

[Hekate]

205. Bernie's a great guy and I look forward to his thoughts.

[HappyMe]

223. Finally!

A candidate I can support!


Go Bernie!

[bigwillq]

225. K and R