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PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:08 PM Apr 2015

In what parallel universe does a Jewish, self-described Socialist who

doesn't run a comb through his hair on a weekly basis, become President of these United States of America?

Yeah...I knocked myself out for McGovern, for Mondale, for Gore. My family sat shiva in 1952 and 1956 through about 2003 for Stevenson...

Who the Hell are you kidding? I went home while canvassing in Rochester, NY on Election Night, 1972 because a guy in a working-class neighborhood pulled out a gun and told me to leave his doorstep, because I was a Commie Hippie Bastard. And those are the words I care to type...

Go ahead: if you want Jeb, or Marco, or Ted, or Carly, then castigate Mrs. Clinton and vilify her for arising in the morning, and stay home on Election Night. At least you'll be able to chronicle the rapid rise of fascism in this country on DU - until it's shut down as being a subversive site.

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In what parallel universe does a Jewish, self-described Socialist who (Original Post) PCIntern Apr 2015 OP
I suppose people might compare his history and stance on the issues el_bryanto Apr 2015 #1
Well you're right about that... PCIntern Apr 2015 #3
...and even then ... toss-up between a paid vacation at home and a desk job for a while. libdem4life Apr 2015 #20
The economic situation exploded under Jimmy Carter JonLP24 Apr 2015 #149
We don't stop black males from getting shot Ken Burch Apr 2015 #155
SOME people might do so; elleng Apr 2015 #9
They might....but what will you say if they decide noo....Hillary is? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #28
Well I'll say "Looks like I'm voting for Hillary in the General Election." el_bryanto Apr 2015 #41
Good....that means YOU are a Democrat...unlike some around here... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #44
Well what i would do is gloat and insult those who aren't excited about Hillary Clinton el_bryanto Apr 2015 #47
they were never on my side...thats the point! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #49
Nods - perhaps they would rather be on the people's side el_bryanto Apr 2015 #53
and perhaps they weren't that either... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #55
Lots of people vote for Republicans - i live in a state that just relected Rick Scott el_bryanto Apr 2015 #71
And that proves what? Apparently Republicans think he is on the side of the people... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #78
Yes, but you're a paranoid who believes EVERYONE is a secret troll. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #119
Did I call you one? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #120
You didn't specifically call me a troll, but yes, you've questioned my allegiance to the party. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #121
Yes....and??? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #122
No, I'm voting for Ted Cruz in 8 different states. Write that down in your little narc book. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #126
I'm not...but only to spite the likes of you. :) n/t Chan790 May 2015 #171
It's alright... Chan790 May 2015 #170
who the hell died and made you choie Apr 2015 #134
Yeah and the Billboard music awards gave mimi85 May 2015 #169
Thats the deal with me madokie Apr 2015 #118
In the generals? Yeah.... Good luck with that. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #150
oh you done it now.... steve2470 Apr 2015 #2
Told the truth...? PCIntern Apr 2015 #6
the truth? it's an opinion cali Apr 2015 #21
+1 His running will help the country & Hillary if she's smart. Populism is rising, for good reason. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #139
my points steve2470 Apr 2015 #66
Is there someone keeping count of how many times someone mentions Bernie being djean111 Apr 2015 #4
I'm Jewish and I'm gonna tell you PCIntern Apr 2015 #10
I'm Jewish; I couldn't give a fuck what the ethnicity/religion is of the individual I'm voting for. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #79
I'm Jewish and remember the huge excitement when Lieberman karynnj Apr 2015 #164
The part where PCIntern's family sat shiva for lost Dems is probably a big clue... Hekate Apr 2015 #15
I'M Jewish, and I mention it 'often' because I think it's relevant elleng Apr 2015 #23
elleng: PCIntern Apr 2015 #27
Not at all raising it for this place alone, elleng Apr 2015 #37
I never "got" the whole Jewish thing. (regarding some non-Jewish people) BlueJazz Apr 2015 #84
I'm with you, it IS weird. elleng Apr 2015 #88
I don't have a problem with your being Jewish............. leftofcool Apr 2015 #102
No problems. elleng Apr 2015 #104
Not bad for Manny at all MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #59
Well, Manny, I'm glad I've avoided that cave! elleng Apr 2015 #62
Or describes him as "Socialist" instead of a "Democratic Socialist", while failing winter is coming Apr 2015 #67
+ 10,000 very relevant point. One of my concerns as well. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #86
I didn't actually know he's Jewish. Doesn't matter to me. Adrahil Apr 2015 #151
I've searched your post for some kind of point, and couldn't find one. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #5
then you better keep looking... nt PCIntern Apr 2015 #14
Nah, better to just put you on ignore. Maedhros Apr 2015 #16
Please do that... PCIntern Apr 2015 #30
lol. my, aren't you an issue oriented voter cali Apr 2015 #7
My...aren't you principled... PCIntern Apr 2015 #22
There are actually several different socialist parties. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #112
+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #136
I actually like that post you made cali... Adrahil Apr 2015 #153
Well said. My fears too. The 1972 Presidential election was my first one able to vote. I was a livetohike Apr 2015 #8
Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Apr 2015 #11
Note also 1939 Apr 2015 #165
Good point. I'll have to read that book. Hippies are still derided. livetohike Apr 2015 #168
I know. I *am* a Socialist, and I think people are vastly overestimating his appeal. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #12
Very well said! n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #152
That's what they told Harry Truman and Paul Wellstone, too. hifiguy Apr 2015 #13
Ummmmm...... PCIntern Apr 2015 #17
A question: You like his positions. Are you against him entering the primary? At least those ideas jwirr Apr 2015 #50
Truman was Jewish? Wellstone didn't die in a small plane crash? Hekate Apr 2015 #18
Hekate: PCIntern Apr 2015 #25
Wellstone was Jewish. :) hifiguy Apr 2015 #29
There's only so many character spaces in a subject line. Oy vey Hekate Apr 2015 #39
Truman was pushing Civil Rights legislation way before it was politically safe to do so JonLP24 Apr 2015 #156
Yep and as a Democrat Aerows Apr 2015 #35
Damn tootin'!! hifiguy Apr 2015 #36
Absolutely, my friend! Aerows Apr 2015 #38
In the universe where Bernie's candidacy is not all and only about Secretary Clinton. Zorra Apr 2015 #19
+1 cali Apr 2015 #26
... Zorra Apr 2015 #34
+1 Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #68
But you don't UNDERSTAND 1!11!!! It's all about Hilary!!!1 Dragonfli Apr 2015 #130
I think we are already chronicling the rapid rise of fascism in this country rurallib Apr 2015 #24
+1. Country is very, very far right. Worst in 100+ years. My parents & grands were appalachiablue Apr 2015 #135
this is such a failed alert. what is it about? not that i necessarily agree with you, but still. seabeyond Apr 2015 #137
k&r... spanone Apr 2015 #31
Anywhere they choose to run Aerows Apr 2015 #32
Same universe where a biracial liberal junior senator whose father was from Kenya does Scootaloo Apr 2015 #33
+1 peacebird Apr 2015 #43
Oh...it's YOU! PCIntern Apr 2015 #45
Well played. hifiguy Apr 2015 #46
+10000000 woo me with science Apr 2015 #48
I see you have a fan club here, Scooty... PCIntern Apr 2015 #54
I don't think they're fans of me, per se Scootaloo Apr 2015 #70
You're gonna love his stance on Israel, Scooter... PCIntern Apr 2015 #96
I already know it. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #98
Oh yeah…he called you and told you all about the PCIntern Apr 2015 #100
Bernie's positions regarding israel aren't secret, dude Scootaloo Apr 2015 #101
Please provide details -- beyond that he said out Netanyahu's address karynnj Apr 2015 #166
What Scootaloo said Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #58
Bernie is running Aerows Apr 2015 #107
And whose name rhymes with "Osama" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #123
+1 appalachiablue Apr 2015 #138
you left out "socialist, muslin" magical thyme Apr 2015 #147
I'll be voting for Bernie in the primary here in Philadelphia. GoneOffShore Apr 2015 #40
Shorter: A vote for the poorly groomed socialist Jew is a vote for Hitler. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #42
"There you go again." PCIntern Apr 2015 #51
If he's unelectable, then why are you worried about the trivial few of us who will vote for him? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #63
LOL exactly Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #81
The lesser of 2 evils have produced nothing but Status Quo Candidates in both parties Joe Turner Apr 2015 #52
Yeah...Bush v Gore reprise, right? PCIntern Apr 2015 #56
In what parallel universe does America elect a black guy president? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #57
Against Sara Palin.... PCIntern Apr 2015 #61
He beat the "Inevitable" Hillary as well. nt tridim Apr 2015 #157
I would love to see a Jewish President in my lifetime Gothmog Apr 2015 #60
I'm with you 100%. PCIntern Apr 2015 #65
I will go there nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #64
I know this nadin... PCIntern Apr 2015 #69
I am one of his fans nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #72
I'll give him my vote, Nadin Aerows Apr 2015 #108
I will vote, I am reserving who I will vote for nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #110
Is someone upset? 99Forever Apr 2015 #73
Funny, I didn't know that he had won the primary n2doc Apr 2015 #74
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is always a great idea. ucrdem Apr 2015 #75
Oh, please ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #76
That parallel universe called DU. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #77
+1 nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #95
But I should add ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #113
yep I totally agree on all counts! nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #129
It's not only parallel, but nonpareil in that regard... n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #114
Got it. We shouldn't back Bernie because he is a Commie Jew with bad hygiene. Thanks. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #80
Hey at least he is trying. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #82
Electability is made evident through the course of the campaign BainsBane Apr 2015 #83
I'll be willing to take a chance on a parallel universe with Bernie ratther than Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #85
Funny how you act so pro-Jewish until a Jewish man needs your support to run for president LittleBlue Apr 2015 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #93
Nailed it Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #124
I don't make the connection of Sanders in the primary to General Election defeat Renew Deal Apr 2015 #89
c'mon, tell us: how does a primary challenge hurt the invincible HRC? cali Apr 2015 #90
You sound so cheerful. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #91
They have been saying Bernie can't win since the 90's Mnpaul Apr 2015 #92
I only know one thing... I'm casting five votes for Bernie in the CA primary. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #94
In the universe I wish to live in. LWolf Apr 2015 #97
Well said, LWolf!! smokey nj Apr 2015 #127
interesting opinions here tiredtoo Apr 2015 #99
…and well that you should PCIntern Apr 2015 #103
Talk about a total non-issue.. We've never had a jewish president, also never had a female president GummyBearz Apr 2015 #105
McCarthyist antisemite PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #106
Yep..nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #125
Trying, really trying to give a fuck about your post . . . trying, so close . . . hatrack Apr 2015 #109
If you're in a universe in which George W Bush was president for 8 years, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #111
Wow! I mean, are you wiggying out over Bernie? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2015 #115
Get onboard with Hillary because of Sanders' hair and your prior hippie experience? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #116
Perhaps someone should define, "socialst" for the crowd in a way all will understand. Stuart G Apr 2015 #117
. Purveyor Apr 2015 #128
In my universe Autumn Apr 2015 #131
I get it, no one would elect a Jew or a black guy or a woman. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #132
God... I Do Love Satire. WillyT Apr 2015 #133
and another person goes on my ignore list. Thanks for playing the blame game. I'm done liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #140
A long haired Jewish socialist? jberryhill Apr 2015 #141
I'm sure this seems like insight to people hopped up on gas. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #142
Here we go again with the "stay home on election night" crap. Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #143
Hair on fire strawman OP AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #144
Anything is possible. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #145
Well said. But about the hair... Adrahil Apr 2015 #154
Always entertaining. GeorgeGist Apr 2015 #146
Oh jesus, it is different place now JonLP24 Apr 2015 #148
Well, this is a "Christian Nation", I suppose. No Jews allowed. (nt) stone space Apr 2015 #158
I'm copying/pasting this from another thread where it was also relevant: Orrex Apr 2015 #159
Lame. Scuba Apr 2015 #160
I'm enjoying the fuck out of this thread. OilemFirchen Apr 2015 #161
You are ignoring that IF Sanders got the nomination, many things would have had to happen karynnj Apr 2015 #162
I've been saying this for years.. sendero Apr 2015 #163
In what parallel universe does a primary challenge throw an election to Republicans? Orsino Apr 2015 #167
This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 May 2015 #172

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I suppose people might compare his history and stance on the issues
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:09 PM
Apr 2015

and conclude that he is closer to what they want in a presidential candidate.

Bryant

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
3. Well you're right about that...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:11 PM
Apr 2015

and, as traditional Democrats, they'll lose in an election which would make the Reagan-Mondale contest look like Reagan squeaked out a victory. Again, what country are we living in? The one where BLACK MALES ARE SHOT IN THE BACK and the system covers for them...unless there's a video.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
149. The economic situation exploded under Jimmy Carter
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:17 AM
Apr 2015

which explains the Reagan popularity, the recession cost Bush II his job. All people remembered was the long lines & the oil embargo, times are different and on the issues which most Americans support Bernie is in favor of. You think SS chained-CPI cuts floating by the Obama administration did him any favors? The mandate?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
155. We don't stop black males from getting shot
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:29 AM
Apr 2015

By nominating bland, passionless corporate centrists.

And this isn't about refusing to back HRC in the fall is she actually gets nominated.

We don't have to be defeatist and deferential to win the White House.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
41. Well I'll say "Looks like I'm voting for Hillary in the General Election."
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

I won't be as happy about as I would be voting for Bernie - but I'll do it.

Bryant

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. Good....that means YOU are a Democrat...unlike some around here...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:35 PM
Apr 2015

meaning the ones who WON'T say that!

As it stands ....currently she has a 50 point lead on the entire pack..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
47. Well what i would do is gloat and insult those who aren't excited about Hillary Clinton
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:37 PM
Apr 2015

That's sure to win them over to your side.

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
53. Nods - perhaps they would rather be on the people's side
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:39 PM
Apr 2015

Than the side of another mainstream pro-wall street candidate. Hillary will be better than any Republican, and her stands on some issues are admirable, but when it comes to the economy or war or the surveillance state - it's unclear she'll be any better than Obama.

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
71. Lots of people vote for Republicans - i live in a state that just relected Rick Scott
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

Do you think that Rick Scott is on the side of the people?

Bryant

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
78. And that proves what? Apparently Republicans think he is on the side of the people...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:57 PM
Apr 2015

but I am not a Republican...so I don't!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
119. Yes, but you're a paranoid who believes EVERYONE is a secret troll.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:33 PM
Apr 2015

Or at least you've burned about 800 posts making that accusation in one form or another.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
121. You didn't specifically call me a troll, but yes, you've questioned my allegiance to the party.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015

I don't do purity tests or loyalty oaths, and if you try to make me, I'll skew your numbers every time.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
122. Yes....and???
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:39 PM
Apr 2015

are you voting for Hillary Clinton if she wins the Primary? If the answer is no....I rest my case...

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
126. No, I'm voting for Ted Cruz in 8 different states. Write that down in your little narc book.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

If you're capable, you should really try reading Catch-22 one of these days. I don't imagine it would get through to you, but it's the best chance we have.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
170. It's alright...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

they're just reinforcing why I shouldn't bury the hatchet and vote for the nominee if Hillary wins the primary.

Fact is, I don't hate Hilary half as much at this point as I hate many of her supporters. I don't really want to share a party or a website with most of them.

choie

(4,132 posts)
134. who the hell died and made you
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

the arbiter of who is a Democrat and who is not? Your posts in every thread makes it clear that you are threatened by Bernie's candidacy.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
169. Yeah and the Billboard music awards gave
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:38 AM
May 2015

Taylor Swift (ugh) awards for Top Artist, Top Female Artist, Top Billboard 200 Album, and the fan-voted Billboard Chart Achievement Award. To quote Jefferson Airplane, it doesn't mean "shit to a tree". Oh, I'll def vote for her if she's the nominee, but not with any enthusiasm.

Um, I obviously don't mean TS.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
118. Thats the deal with me
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:31 PM
Apr 2015

I'd like to see Hillary be the first woman President but right now I think we need to get our house in order and Bernie is the only one talking about doing exactly that. I just feel like the world will be a much better place after a Sanders Presidency than any we've had in my lifetime. I think very highly of My President today too so keep that in mind as you read this

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
6. Told the truth...?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

I know..it's gonna hurt.

Oh, and BTW, I thought Obama's candidacy was brilliant and I voted for him in the PA primary, so it's not like I'm a big Hillary fan.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. the truth? it's an opinion
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:21 PM
Apr 2015

And it's a bit more complex. And how on earth is Bernie running in the primary going to hurt HRC? Not a big fan of a vigorous debate, are you? Not to mention the irony of you seeing bernie's ethnicity as a negative.

appalachiablue

(41,524 posts)
139. +1 His running will help the country & Hillary if she's smart. Populism is rising, for good reason.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:49 PM
Apr 2015

-Appa

steve2470

(37,461 posts)
66. my points
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

1- God bless Bernie, he would be a great President. I love the guy.
2- Everyone should vote for who they want, in the primaries and in the general! I sure will.
3- I'm not going to debate this whole Hillary vs. Bernie vs. Jeb vs. et al thing.
4- I'm not convinced he can get elected. The socialism label is going to be a tough thing to explain and sell.
5- If Bernie wins the general election, everyone has my encouragement to rub this post in my face.
6- May the best male or female Democrat win!




 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Is there someone keeping count of how many times someone mentions Bernie being
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

Jewish - and meant as a bad thing?

Not agreeing with HRC on things like war and H-1B visas and Wall Street is not really "vilifying" her.
But your concern is noted.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
10. I'm Jewish and I'm gonna tell you
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

that when Lieberman ran, many Jews were REALLY NERVOUS about it and didn't want to vote for him so they wouldn't be the lightning rod. So your narrow vision of things is also noted.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
79. I'm Jewish; I couldn't give a fuck what the ethnicity/religion is of the individual I'm voting for.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

And you shouldn't, either.

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
164. I'm Jewish and remember the huge excitement when Lieberman
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:50 AM
Apr 2015

was named to the Gore ticket. I never saw as much excitement for any election as for that one after he was named. This was in New Jersey.

In 2004, when he ran for President, I don't remember ANYONE speaking of not voting for him in the primary due to religion. (NJ's primary was too late for actually impacting the race. Lieberman never gained any traction. He opted not to contest Iowa and declared he came in tied three ways for third in NH -- even though the other two he was "tied" with had substantially more votes. He was fifth and, for all intents and purposes, his campaign was over -- the Lieberman wing of the Democratic party was almost non-existent. He then worked as a very lame counterproductive "surrogate" for the Democrats -- praising Bush's actions in Iraq.)

Not to mention, Sanders - unlike Lieberman - is not running as an AIPAC approved Jew -- he was the first Senator to say he was not going to hear Netanyahu.

Hekate

(91,804 posts)
15. The part where PCIntern's family sat shiva for lost Dems is probably a big clue...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:17 PM
Apr 2015

...as to where PC's concerns lie.

elleng

(132,416 posts)
23. I'M Jewish, and I mention it 'often' because I think it's relevant
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:22 PM
Apr 2015

to the issues we discuss here. For MANY, it IS a bad thing.

elleng

(132,416 posts)
37. Not at all raising it for this place alone,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

but for the 'wide' world of U.S. politics, PC. I ASSUME DUers don't mind that Bernie (and I, and others) are Jewish. (I hope I'm right. )

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
84. I never "got" the whole Jewish thing. (regarding some non-Jewish people)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

Perhaps my lack of spirituality had something to do with it. 4 of my good 7 friends are Jewish.
There's been some conversations in the last 3 years with other people that set-it-up for me to say "Most of my best friends are Jewish...really, most of them are Jewish.

The whole thing is just weird to me. ...the judging of people by what brand of God they like.

elleng

(132,416 posts)
88. I'm with you, it IS weird.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

My 'brand' of God happens to be 'I'll believe it when I see it,' that is, athiest, with Jewish upbringing.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
102. I don't have a problem with your being Jewish.............
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

if you don't care that I am a pagan. I don't care if Bernie Sanders is Jewish.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
67. Or describes him as "Socialist" instead of a "Democratic Socialist", while failing
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:45 PM
Apr 2015

to note that anyone we run will be called a socialist by the RW?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
151. I didn't actually know he's Jewish. Doesn't matter to me.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:19 AM
Apr 2015

But it WILL matter to a whole bunch of people who will TELL you they aren't racists, but wouldn't vote for a Jew.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
22. My...aren't you principled...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:21 PM
Apr 2015

it won't work here with him. And you know that...you really do. this whole thing is ridiculous. The guy says he's a SOCIALIST. It's his PARTY. Have you bothered to see what's going on here? This is a national electorate which is NOT GOING to elect a socialist. Ever. It's a wet dream for us Progressives.

The nightmare is Marco Rubio, or Jeb, or worse. and it can be worse.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
112. There are actually several different socialist parties.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie specifically calls himself a Democratic Socialist, which isn't the same as either 'Democratic' or 'Socialist' when it comes to specific party. You can go to www.dsausa.org to check out the Democratic Socialists of America website.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
153. I actually like that post you made cali...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:23 AM
Apr 2015

And if more Bernie supporters had your wide awake attitude, it'd be great.

But those Bernie supporters who think the voters are gonna flock to Bernie in the generals are every bit as delusional as those wingnuts who think Ted Cruz would win by huge numbers.

livetohike

(22,249 posts)
8. Well said. My fears too. The 1972 Presidential election was my first one able to vote. I was a
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

a Junior in college and worked to get out the vote for McGovern. Could not believe the result on election night!

1939

(1,683 posts)
165. Note also
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:58 AM
Apr 2015

The Nixon landslide over McGovern hardly moved the needle in the House and Senate. Democrats there were elected and re-elected by substantial margins. White's book "The making of the President, 1972" covers the reasons why the differential. It wasn't a vote for the GOP, it was a vote against "the dirty hippies".

livetohike

(22,249 posts)
168. Good point. I'll have to read that book. Hippies are still derided.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 02:29 PM
Apr 2015

Can't have all that peace and love going on.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. I know. I *am* a Socialist, and I think people are vastly overestimating his appeal.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:15 PM
Apr 2015

I am also a labor organizer, and while down in Orange Co., some of us union thugs got called Communists. By professors. In California.

Over 30% of the country prefers socialism to capitalism, which is great. But I don't see how that gets us over the finish line.

The right wing is not done stomping the life out of the labor movement, which, right now, has an over 40% *disapproval* rate. We've made some progress, but the chickens are still voting for McNuggets out there.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
17. Ummmmm......
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:18 PM
Apr 2015

Harry Truman was a sitting President of the United States. And it was considered the greatest upset in the history of national politics. You want to bet the house on Bernie? I guess you do. You will lose...GUARANTEED. And I like him and his positions...tremendously. I would love to see this guy there...but it ain't gonna happen.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
50. A question: You like his positions. Are you against him entering the primary? At least those ideas
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:37 PM
Apr 2015

will be heard.

Hekate

(91,804 posts)
18. Truman was Jewish? Wellstone didn't die in a small plane crash?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:20 PM
Apr 2015

Oh yeah, that parallel universe.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
25. Hekate:
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:23 PM
Apr 2015

logic does not apply. You can't even try...

It's like falling in love with the most beautiful person you've ever seen in high school and dreaming that you get to go to the prom with them, then a motel, and then live happily ever after. Well, the prom date isn't showing up at your house in this instance either, much less the rest of this.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
29. Wellstone was Jewish. :)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:24 PM
Apr 2015

And the point is that the "conventional wisdom" gave Truman no chance to win in '48 and nobody in their right mind thought Wellstone could unseat a wealthy and financially flush Raygun lapdog in 1990.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
156. Truman was pushing Civil Rights legislation way before it was politically safe to do so
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:29 AM
Apr 2015

In fact, he did it during an election year.

Not surprising, a month later Gallup conducts a poll and this is where it really does become shocking for a politician--82% of those polled by Gallup opposed Harry Truman’s civil rights proposal, 82%. And I have to read you Harry Truman on polls, because it really says it all, that more politicians felt this way. These are his words, not mine. “I wonder how far Moses would have gone if he had taken a poll in Egypt. What would Jesus Christ have preached if he had taken a poll in Israel. Where would the Reformation have gone if Martin Luther had taken a poll? It isn’t polls or public opinion of the moment that counts. It’s right and wrong and leadership. Men with fortitude, honesty and a belief in right,” and by the way, at that point, obviously House member Lyndon Baines Johnson was taking polls because a month after all this happens he launches his campaign for Senate, his second and ultimately successful campaign and who is public enemy no. 1? Harry Truman’s civil rights proposal. He calls it a sham and a farce. So it was widespread political opposition to Harry Truman. This is an election year. Harry Truman is unflinching. He has no intention of backing down.

At this point, Harry Truman’s popularity is not increasing at all, I can assure you. The Republicans on June 24 hold their convention in Philadelphia. Come up with a dream ticket. The dream ticket for ‘48--Thomas Dewey, Governor of New York; on the other coast of the country, Earl Warren, Governor of California. There was so much concern in the Democratic leadership that Harry Truman could not be elected largely because of civil rights that a number of leading Democrats tried to recruit Dwight Eisenhower to be the nominee for the party. That finally collapsed. It’s only on July 15th a week before the Democrat convention. That convention takes place in Philadelphia like the Republican convention. It’s a free-for-all. Why? Harry Truman’s civil rights proposal. There’s a fight over the plank that is legendary. Harry Truman puts forward a plank that is constitutionally anchored and calls for legislation. The state rights Democrats respond with a regressive proposal and Mayor Hubert Humphrey from Minneapolis comes in with a very explicit plank that tracks Truman’s February 2nd proposal to Congress. It’s a fight that would shatter the party. The more explicit plank prevails by 69 votes.

The next night Harry Truman finally is the nominee of his Party, but it’s not a happy party; 947 delegates vote for Truman, 263 vote for racist Georgia Senator Richard Russell. Only 13 of the southern delegates vote for Truman and importantly, a statistic that stunned me because of the make up of the Party today, of the 1,234 delegates in Philadelphia at that convention, only 17 were African Americans. Imagine that the black leadership in the Party was so nascent and so de minimus at that point.

Harry Truman makes a great speech. He wasn’t a great orator but he outdid himself this night and he blamed all the ills of the country on the do-nothing Republican-controlled Congress. He also said Republican Congress, you want to make the country right. I’ll give you a chance. Come back to Washington. I’m calling a special session, the Turnip Day Session. Be back in un-air-conditioned Washington on July 26th. We’ll meet for two weeks and we’ll see if you can deliver on your plank. No reason you can’t. You’ve got the leadership. Before that session started, however, the party really fragmented. July 17th then South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond creates the Dixiecrat Party. Two days later Henry Wallace who had been FDR’s vice president creates the Progressive Party. Essentially the Party is shattered. Two of the three prongs that Democrats had relied on, that FDR had relied on for his four victories are gone, the Progressives, the Southern Democrats.

http://www.virginia.edu/uvanewsmakers/newsmakers/gardner.html

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. Yep and as a Democrat
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

I'll vote for who I damn well please to vote for in the Primary. Bernie has my support.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
130. But you don't UNDERSTAND 1!11!!! It's all about Hilary!!!1
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:11 PM
Apr 2015

Always has been,it is HER TURN DAMNIT!!!

appalachiablue

(41,524 posts)
135. +1. Country is very, very far right. Worst in 100+ years. My parents & grands were
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:41 PM
Apr 2015

tolerant, educated, patriotic and liberal compared to now, seriously. Something that would have never entered my mind 10-20 years ago. And my father fought fascism in Nazi Germany.
The rapid rise of fascism in the US yes, and unopposed, largely. Look at this thread- fear.

:thumbsdown

-Appa

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
137. this is such a failed alert. what is it about? not that i necessarily agree with you, but still.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:45 PM
Apr 2015

On Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I think we are already chronicling the rapid rise of fascism in this country
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6591488

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Straight off a RW web site. Let's not start this shit here. Unbelievable.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:40 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you aren't noticing the creeping fascism in the US, you aren't paying attention
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This poster took it off the OP. I do not get why anyone would alert. A lot of people have made the statement we are walking in facism today. Believe it or not, but not a reason to alert.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. Anywhere they choose to run
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:26 PM
Apr 2015

and have support while doing so.

This is still the USA, isn't it? I'll vote for the man in the primary. He is putting himself out there as a candidate, and I like him.

The rest is just nonsense.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
33. Same universe where a biracial liberal junior senator whose father was from Kenya does
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

But by all means, PCIntern. Keep telling us how Jeb Bush is amazing and unbeatable.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
70. I don't think they're fans of me, per se
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:48 PM
Apr 2015

Rather I think we're all people who recognize Sen. Sanders has a strong chance, and all your panic-mongering about his hairdo and faith isn't going to change that.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
100. Oh yeah…he called you and told you all about the
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:03 PM
Apr 2015

secret agreements we have with Israel, Egypt, and Jordan.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
101. Bernie's positions regarding israel aren't secret, dude
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:16 PM
Apr 2015


Seriously, take your bait and go somewhere else, will ya?

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
166. Please provide details -- beyond that he said out Netanyahu's address
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

From everything I have heard from Sanders, who is my Senator, there is very little difference between him and Obama or Kerry on Israel. The same could also be said of Hillary Clinton.

As a Jew active in a Burlington synagogue, I have heard NOTHING to suggest that there is a problem with him on this -- and many people, including our rabbi, were in Burlington when he was mayor.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
107. Bernie is running
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:05 PM
Apr 2015

he has every right to run, and I have every right to vote for him. And I will!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
147. you left out "socialist, muslin"
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:07 AM
Apr 2015

right now, with 2 official primary candidates, Sanders gets my vote.

GoneOffShore

(17,361 posts)
40. I'll be voting for Bernie in the primary here in Philadelphia.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

And if he gets the nomination in the General Election.

I'm hoping he pulls Clinton further to the left so that she's not just a shoo in and able to show her further allegiance to her corporate donors.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
51. "There you go again."
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:38 PM
Apr 2015

Nice try...

I am one of the few outspoken, unrepentant Zionists on DU, and your attempt at deflection is, well, is amusing. I'll leave it at that.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
63. If he's unelectable, then why are you worried about the trivial few of us who will vote for him?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not going to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils until there's no alternative.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
52. The lesser of 2 evils have produced nothing but Status Quo Candidates in both parties
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:39 PM
Apr 2015

The time is now to go for broke for Bernie. There is little downside in a Hillary vs Bush affair.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
61. Against Sara Palin....
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Apr 2015

and G.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney, and John McCain. That one.

You think it's the same?

Gothmog

(147,718 posts)
60. I would love to see a Jewish President in my lifetime
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:42 PM
Apr 2015

However for now I will settle for the first female POTUS

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
65. I'm with you 100%.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

Kerry had that Jewish lineage...it was close. Perhaps soon with a mainstream candidate who will appropriately support the military-industrial complex like they all do. I'm not happy about it...but that's how it's gonna be. Like it or not.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
64. I will go there
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

the same actual universe where I really do not think it truly matters who gets actually nominated or ultimately elected. The power behind the Presidency will make sure that whoever gets elected continues with the program. Call me a cynic. I have been called far worst, and this week alone, in this place no less... but in an oligarchy it really does not matter.

I will vote, for whom, my own damn business, but truly, to remain in practice.

And on a very short line... those who are the powers behind this will not let a Jew who does not comb his hair get even close to winning the primary. Mostly, they probably fear that man will not listen, for his own good mostly. Killing presidents can get messy after all.

It has none to do with socialist, or his personal views either. It is just business.

And you speak of fascism in the future tense... we are there my friend, it is here. It is not the old form that we are all so familiar with though, but what the PRI did in Mexico is what has been achieved here.

This will be some grand theater though.

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
69. I know this nadin...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:47 PM
Apr 2015

but yo and I also both know what's going on here with some of his biggest fans.

Fascism has been here to some degree for generations...it's just rearing its head more due to the nature of communication and the wider knowledge base due to the Internet and Cable and iPhones.

Ike, almost unwittingly, was a greater hero and prognosticator than anyone in our lifetimes. Strange to say from someone who came from a home, as I said, where Stevenson was considered even greater than FDR.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
72. I am one of his fans
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:50 PM
Apr 2015

but I get to vote in a state where the primary is too late to matter. And I am a member of the media, so I don't play the partisan shit. I really do not.

I know he will not win the nomination, and has none to do with his views, or appeal or anything like that. It has to do with the reality of the former american republic. RIP, 1787-2000.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
74. Funny, I didn't know that he had won the primary
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:53 PM
Apr 2015

Congratulations are in order!

Frankly if her royal inevitable-ness can't beat such a 'terrible' challenger, then what hope does she have in the general election? Let's see how the process goes first.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
113. But I should add ...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie's being Jewish would/is not a draw back ... The 2 time election of the Black guy shows that. The same folks that wouldn't vote for him because he is Jewish, didn't vote for President Obama because he is Black.

Now that avowed socialist thing might give a bunch of Americans, pause ... cuz "that's communism!!!!"

BainsBane

(53,180 posts)
83. Electability is made evident through the course of the campaign
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

In Cold War America, a socialist wouldn't have stood a chance. Times have changed, however. Let's see how it goes. I see no reason to write Sanders off a priori.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
87. Funny how you act so pro-Jewish until a Jewish man needs your support to run for president
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:11 PM
Apr 2015

Then the cape comes off and you're using the word "Jew" as a euphemistic slur for "unelectable". The same way certain people said a black man whose name rhymes with Osama being president is a "fairy tale".

I see what you're doing. And it's disgusting.

Response to LittleBlue (Reply #87)

Renew Deal

(81,965 posts)
89. I don't make the connection of Sanders in the primary to General Election defeat
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

Your post is about reasons to not nominate Sanders. But the chances of that happening are very low. I don't think him running in the primary affects our GE prospects unless he wins.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
92. They have been saying Bernie can't win since the 90's
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:22 PM
Apr 2015

and he has been proving them wrong since 1990. He was the first independent in 40 years to win a House seat. The Republicans and the Democrats even teamed up in an effort to defeat him. They failed. Republicans threw piles of money at him and it failed badly(he shut them out).

PCIntern

(25,868 posts)
103. …and well that you should
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

Look, I'm not saying he shouldn't bun - I'm not saying that I don't agree with him 98% of the time - I'm saying that he cannot win a general election in the USA next year. I would vote for him if he were on the ticket of course, but I voted for McGovern too. And Mondale. And Carter both times.

I'm just saying that a self-proclaimed Socialist, a landsman as we say, cannot win a GE here. Period.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
105. Talk about a total non-issue.. We've never had a jewish president, also never had a female president
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:56 PM
Apr 2015

what parallel universe would a female get elected? HAHAHA geez, talk about a total non-issue. Vote for the banks if you want, I'll vote for the middle/lower classes

hatrack

(59,708 posts)
109. Trying, really trying to give a fuck about your post . . . trying, so close . . .
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:07 PM
Apr 2015

Nope. No fucks to give.

Have a nice day!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
111. If you're in a universe in which George W Bush was president for 8 years,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:10 PM
Apr 2015

you're already in a parallel universe. Anything can happen in a universe in which that can happen.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
115. Wow! I mean, are you wiggying out over Bernie?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:25 PM
Apr 2015

Those of you who lose your minds are simply convinced Bernie will beat Hillary. I know that, because the rational Hillary supporters don't flip their shit and babble about DEFCON 1 if people support Bernie.

Tedious




 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
116. Get onboard with Hillary because of Sanders' hair and your prior hippie experience?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:28 PM
Apr 2015

Makes about as much sense as some of the other stuff I read here. Still, no thank you.

Stuart G

(38,565 posts)
117. Perhaps someone should define, "socialst" for the crowd in a way all will understand.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:30 PM
Apr 2015

Remember, socialism is not the same for everyone that thinks about it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
132. I get it, no one would elect a Jew or a black guy or a woman.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:15 PM
Apr 2015

We need to run a WASP if we want to win!!!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
140. and another person goes on my ignore list. Thanks for playing the blame game. I'm done
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:03 AM
Apr 2015

listening to this crap.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
142. I'm sure this seems like insight to people hopped up on gas.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 12:10 AM
Apr 2015

You should stick to your day job, punditry doesn't suit you.

Behind the Aegis

(54,248 posts)
145. Anything is possible.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 01:53 AM
Apr 2015

I don't know how "electable" he will or won't be, any more than I did with Obama. I do, however, have concerns he will be pilloried for being a socialist, a term not even understood by some on the left, and for being Jewish. Hell, look at this thread where you have been chastised for "not supporting the Jew" and being an anti-Semite, IN THE SAME THREAD!! The right, despite their "love" for Israel, do not have that same love for Jews. Then, there is the left...again, just look at this thread or the scads of others where "Democrats are bad. Jewish Democrats are the worst." or the very mention of Jewish politicians brings out the long knives. We get 'lists of dual citizens" (all Jews, of course) and the predictable hand-wringing about "such a small group of individuals running the country." Or how the Congress is run by "The Likud", can imagine the response about a Jewish president?! The recent threads about the gay couple who sponsored Cruz? "Jewish first, gay second." Yeah, Sanders will have a tough road to face, but so will Hillary, which is also just as evident, even more so at this point.

Personally, I don't care about his hair anymore than I do Hillary's, but I suppose that was just a joke.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
154. Well said. But about the hair...
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:27 AM
Apr 2015

If you think personal appearance doesn't matter in a Presidential election, then I suggest you read up on the subject. It WILL matter in a big way. Presidential elections are least as much about perception as they are about any kind of substance.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
148. Oh jesus, it is different place now
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:14 AM
Apr 2015

Young people & most people are no longer afraid of USSR style socialism & now we know a little more than the media has kept from us. Who knows what kind of dirty tricks Republicans will be up to but certainly they have ammo when it comes to Hillary Clinton. Even if it is a fake scandal or whatever, nothing remotely resembling such a thing can be tied plus she is very polarizing with high unfavorability ratings (she has a higher favorability but about 46% unfavor her)

America voted for an African American with a middle name of Hussein and a last name that rhymes with Osama while also with a "radical preacher&quot chickens came home to roost following 9/11 was used quite heavily) & any associates they can throw such as Louis Farrakhan. The kind of people America wouldn't vote for before but you see you have the unprecedent turnouts, grassroots movements, the "Change" which many took as a real change to the political system rather than a change from Bush. He wasn't playing the middle during the campaign. Didn't follow the 2008 but Romney was so easy with his flip flops before the primary, flip flops for Governor, flip flops for President -- guy obviously had no convictions.

Orrex

(63,457 posts)
159. I'm copying/pasting this from another thread where it was also relevant:
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:40 AM
Apr 2015

The accusation is repeatedly made that people who doubt Sanders' chances are "afraid" of him. That's a petty and short-sighted criticism. There are solid reasons to question his odds of winning.

And the answer once again is "he truly seems to stand very little chance of success."

Don't get me wrong--I would LOVE to see Sanders take the Whitehouse, and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. I just don't think that it's realistic to expect him to win, and my assessment isn't based on defensiveness or fear.


His commendable history as a "democratic socialist" will be used as a pile-driver to bludgeon his campaign every minute of every hour between winning the primary and the general election. He will be decried as a communist with "foreign" ideas, and he will be attacked for not being a real American. His brother's former candidacy for the Green Party in the UK will be offered as proof of this, as will Bernie's own praise of Scandinavian-style socialism.

His age will be a factor. The same pundits who adore "maverick" John McCain will claim that Sanders is too old, and they'll claim it constantly. They'll imply that his health is questionable, and they'll suggest that he's not fit to serve as President.

His heritage will be a factor, especially as it pertains to his less than cozy relationship with Bibi and Likud. In addition to supposed problems involving "our greatest ally," he'll have to face the idiocy of anti-Semitism. Not a major factor in Vermont, perhaps, but the nation as a whole has a large population of haters.

His politics will be a major factor. For most Americans, self-identifying as a "democratic socialist" is tantamount to growing a Stalin mustache and instituting a pogrom. Bernie's unparalleled record of social responsibility notwithstanding, he would be identified as "the Socialist Candidate" in every media outlet until Nov 2016, probably by saying "74 year old Socialist Bernie Sanders spoke in Poughkeepsie, and..."

They will also claim that his career spent representing the tiny state of Vermont hasn't prepared him for the Whitehouse, and he'll be slammed for being out of touch with the values of mainstream America.

And that's all before we even get into the reality of Hillary's massive warchest and support structure already built.


I admire everything about Sanders, and I've never disagreed with a single political statement I've heard from him, but I simply don't think it's realistic to expect him to win.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
161. I'm enjoying the fuck out of this thread.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:06 AM
Apr 2015

It's a great peek under the tent - a preview of the inevitable onslaught of "Goyishim Tells The Joos How They Should Think" threads.

I welcome them, if, at the least, they give our AA friends a well-deserved break.

karynnj

(59,558 posts)
162. You are ignoring that IF Sanders got the nomination, many things would have had to happen
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:36 AM
Apr 2015

The main one would be that he would have to take back the word "Democratic socialism" to what it really is. Many in America hear "socialism" and thing Communist Russia -- not Scandinavia. It would be a huge (maybe not doable) step to get people to instead see that he is speaking of Scandinavia. The fact is that Scandinavian counties have among the highest average income and regularly rate very high on any scale that attempts to score "happiness".

Then look at the acceptance of programs - like Social Security and Medicare - that come closest to democratic socialism. These are the Gold Standard for government programs.

Consider also that the President can only lead, he or she can not unilaterally change the government. The President has more latitude on foreign policy.

I don't think Sanders will win the primary, but if he does it is because he has been able to sell his values in terms that will resonate with Americans. Consider that, while it took a very divided election, with two Democratic candidates, for him to win the first time as mayor of Burlington, VT -- he won his last term in a landslide against a person who had BOTH the Republican and Democratic line. He will then start with the 40 or so percent of the Democratic vote that any Democrat will get -- because the alternative is the Republican.

Lastly, what's with the obnoxious attack that he does not comb his hair? That is as ridiculous as if I pointed out that Condi Rice (or John Kerry for that matter) as Secretary of State was more consistently well groomed - with her hair always neat and attractive - and more physically fit than Hillary was. However, just like Bernie's hair, how well groomed the Secretaries were was not important to how they did their job. I assume you would agree with me that no matter how well dressed or coiffed Dr Rice was, HRC was the better Secretary of State.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
163. I've been saying this for years..
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:49 AM
Apr 2015

..... lots of people, even people who in their past used Socialist as an epithet, are going to be praying for a little socialism as things continue to deteriorate.

It might not be the right time for Sanders this instant, but that time is coming.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
167. In what parallel universe does a primary challenge throw an election to Republicans?
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 10:38 AM
Apr 2015

2/10 would not be trolled again.

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