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Jon Stewart Lays Into Judith Miller: You Pushed Us Into ‘Devastating’ Iraq Mistake. Jon Stewart really pressed ex-New York Times reporter Judith Miller on her infamous and major role in the lead-up to the Iraq War. “I believe,” he said, “you helped the administration take us to, like, the most devastating mistake in foreign policy that we’ve made in, like, 100 years.”
“But you seem lovely,” he added.
From there, Stewart just really grilled Miller on specific points about her reporting, what she was being fed, and the placement of certain facts and stories. He said the Bush administration has a pretty clear goal to go to Iraq and used whatever pretext they could, and then Miller wrote about it without much skepticism.
When Miller asked if she was just not supposed to report on the administration’s point of view, Stewart said she should have done it “in the context that this administration was very clearly pushing a narrative.” He ended the interview by lamenting how discussions like these ‘always make me incredibly sad” because they point to “institutional failure at the highest levels.”
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Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)of all of those who died for corporate greed … and all of the disabled who are still suffering - and their families. she is a willing tool and cannot claim the banner of journalism to protect her. she clearly steered the conversation and the bullshit to influence the country. she has no integrity as a journalist, what so ever.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That is precisely who I was thinking of when I made the comment.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)than anyone else on the left. He will be missed.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)will keep fighting for us in some form or fashion.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)In a way, it's comparable to Charlie Chaplin retiring "The Tramp" as a character with the rise of Hitler.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)are starting an animal sanctuary.
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2015/04/27/jon-stewart-gears-up-for-greener-pastures-of-the-farm-variety/
delrem
(9,688 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
Everybody saw it, and everybody knew.
The knowledge, the protests, had no effect whatsoever.
Everybody knew that would be true too.
But now, going into a '16 election, the call is for everybody to forget.
The call if for everybody to deny.
The call is for everybody to blame the victim.
But everybody knows.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)My thinking, my choice of words, was entirely derivative of Leonard Cohen's poetry.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. Leonard Cohen song. I don't think life is quite as bleak as that, but a bit of exaggeration is required to get the point across.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
MisterP
(23,730 posts)don't matter
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)There are no excuses.
Here is (then) Rep. Bernie Sanders speaking his opposition to the war.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war
Skittles
(170,353 posts)seriously
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But the excuse is, "We didn't know (at the time)." The problem is, that just aint so. I think Clinton is smart and politically savvy and she wishes every day she had not voted yes. It's been bad karma ever since. I'm glad to see Miller held accountable. They should ALL be held accountable.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)if one was really "smart and politically savvy", no fucking way in HELL would you even CONSIDER voting for IWR
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)"All you know about me is what I've sold you,
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
And you bought one."
It works if you hear the song. Working in the film industry, I know this to be true. To get anywhere, to be famous, you have to sell out all the way. I don't think you can reach the heights without doing it. With that info, I think her vote was just part of the game that she and Bill and anyone with that much power are very good at. But I think other pols have been lucky enough and not quite so ambitious, so they were able to vote their conscience. At that time, with Bushco claiming anyone opposing it was an enemy of 'Merika, so it was a courageous act. I don't know why she did it.
delrem
(9,688 posts)She's a hawk.
Nobody can deny that she's a hawk, and very much out there as a hawk.
That's when she takes her mind off her "kitchen counter candidate" campaign.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I'm not excusing her -- untold tens of thousands died because of gutless politicians like her. I'm just imagining that her thinking was that they would have called her "Un-American" and "Very Liberal" and "A Wimp" and so on, which they would have.
Makes me sick, though.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)the war was going to be over in less than a few weeks. The previous Iraq war lasted less than 2 weeks.
If she had voted no, and the war was a complete success; as everyone had expected, she would have had to explain how we took down a dictator in short time and why she was against removing evil from this world.
How do you run for president if we were successful, yet you voted against it? She remembers how Bill was painted as gunshy, anti-military, and weak kneed in foreign policy. She was not going to be painted by the same brush.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)It was way too important a matter for her vote to be decided by how it would likely effect her political future. On matters of war and peace we can't have representatives who govern that way, unacceptable. She got what she deserved for her vote. I wish she was different and I could support her, not going to wear blinders though just because she is a Democrat.
Personally I'm not sure why she voted for the IWR. Could have been politics, she might have been a true believer. And I'm not sure which is worse, either, bad either way.
edit to add: some people got it right, people like Sanders, Feingold, Barbara Lee, hell even Ron Paul got it right. The most memorable opposition speech to me was Senator Robert Byrd, who was not born yesterday and could smell the fraud of the evidence a mile away.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Her finger up to see which way the political winds are blowing before making any statement or casting any vote. Politicians who worry about the politics of a decision usually make for terrible leaders.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It's harder to understand why others were suckered into voting for it, though.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I sure don't know why.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)her husband was becoming "like a son" to the Bush family. And she has the utmost respect for people like Henry Kissinger. I imagine that might have helped to cloud her judgment.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Those may be motivations, but by no means are they an excuse.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)
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This was 1983. That is segregationist George Wallace and his (third?) wife at the table with Bill Clinton and George H W Bush. I honestly believe that Slick Willy was being groomed to cover for Iran Contra crimes even then.
The Clintons as an alternative to Republicans is a sham of a mockery of a travesty of a farce of some lowbrow kabuki theater.
-app
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas when Contra planes were leving Mena, AR loaded with weapons and returning loaded with cocaine, all under George H W Bush's careful guidance:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mena_Intermountain_Municipal_Airport
or, if you really are ready for a trip down the rabbit hole:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/crimes_of_mena.html
But of course, some DU'ers like to dismiss the above allegations and facts as wild conspiracy theories, despite all the documented evidence...
-app
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Sometimes a picture really does say a thousand words, thanks, I don't recall seeing that one before. I wonder where Hillary was...
duhneece
(4,492 posts)in both houses.
Think about that: 95% of the 'no' votes were from Dems and Bernie
No party, no person is perfect, but a 95% 'no' vote on IWR is amazing, in my eyes. They/we were right.
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Had not thought of it like that!
Thank you!
mountain grammy
(28,832 posts)as did many Dems. Now, Udall is gone. Replaced by a climate denying, war mongering teabagger, so there ya go.
duhneece
(4,492 posts)...but my former Senator Bingaman's 'No' vote was accompanied by one of the most eloquent, but ignored speech/explanation....damn, I just spent 20 minutes trying to find the text, but couldn't....you'll have to take my word for its eloquence!
mountain grammy
(28,832 posts)mmmm. Glad you got to keep your Udall. I love New Mexico. We'll be visiting sometime late this summer or early fall. Our yearly trip.
dsc
(53,346 posts)22 Democrats in the Senate voted for the war, while there are only 100 members of the Senate. 22/.05 is 440.
tblue37
(68,362 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 30, 2015, 05:47 PM - Edit history (1)
That had long been a cudgel successfully used by Repubs in elections, and the vote was deliberately set up to back Dems into a corner.
Obviously they still should have stood on principle rather than thinking their own personal political fortunes were more important than the nation's well-being and its moral character and reputation; more important than the lives of the soldiers sent to commit an illegal invasion and occupation; and more important than the lives of the innocent population of an entire nation that had never threatened us at all.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)they had to know the war was absolute bullshit - you'd have to be a sociopath or just a stupid fucking idiot to vote to send people to DIE, to kill thousands of innocent people, because you were afraid of being seen as a wienie in the eyes of WARMONGERING ASSHOLES......I cannot forgive those people - f*** them all
tblue37
(68,362 posts)
The Wizard
(13,642 posts)is Repubic stock and trade. Nixon was the first followed by McCarthy. LBJ got suckered into Vietnam because he didn't want to be tagged with the soft on communism label. Repubics successfully smeared Harry Truman for losing China to the communists as if China was a US possession. Where's our fucking liberal media?
The liberal media was cowed into submission by an effective right wing propaganda program endlessly calling the media a tool of the liberal elite. And when the right wing made liberal a pejorative it was code for Jews and the educated. They still vilify education with great success. Why else would the impoverished in the slave states continue voting against their own interests?
tblue37
(68,362 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)As depressing as that may be 
Skittles
(170,353 posts)she is intelligent and HAD to know it was all bullshit - THAT is was makes it all the more sickening and inexusable
I felt the same way when I watched Colin Powell with his tubes 
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)It wasn't all bullshit, just the lies they told us were all bullshit. They had their own reasons for the war, hard to say if Hillary agreed with those reasons or not.
I agree with you that she likely knew better than to believe the bullshit the people were fed, but that's just the cover story, the real reasons are known and discussed behind the scenes.
I can see Hillary supporting resource wars, or things like the PNAC regime change strategy, I can also see her just making a political decision, no idea which was the case.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The worry of lost approval points overrode morality. Even the politically unsophisticated among my friends and family knew it was a lie. I have never been able to believe that these senators were misled. They were complicit.
nikto
(3,284 posts)The Real Deal.
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Thank you for the Bernie link.
There are NO excuses. Exactly.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Anybody with any brains would know this is no way to fill your war chest (no pun, of course) with MIC and Oiligarch money.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)but, not nearly as intelligent.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)she is DISGUSTING
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And I am sure it pays enough to live pretty well from it.
Money trumps morality in a lot of people.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)gawd she is disgusting
LiberalLovinLug
(14,619 posts)It wasn't just the old white men club, different women performed different roles in order for the whole PNAC pact to get their wishes come true. Sure Condoleezza and Karen Hughes who Jon mentions here were deep in the shite, but it took these seemingly benign politically moderate women to help the neo-cons pull the wool over all Americans. An esteemed journalist, and a SCOTUS judge, what they did to veer the US into such mass death and destruction and continuing chaos is truly reprehensible.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)hearing them try to sugarcoat it now, making all kinds of excuses - f*** them - seriously, they can ROT IN HELL
pa28
(6,145 posts)Seriously, she must have a screw loose to think she could sit there for an interview and not have her ass handed to her.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)You could tell how sad and annoyed he was during the interview, and unfortunately the easy route for the cocksucking, mother fuckers in the media is to just play along with the powers that be.
I fucking hope there is a heaven and hell so pieces of steaming shit like Miller and Cheney can live for eternity in their own putrid stench.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)
Zorra
(27,670 posts)
blogslut
(39,114 posts)Good luck on your book tour, Judy. As they say in showbusiness: BREAK A LEG.
Cha
(317,844 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)mixed in with humor, giggles and roaring laughter.....
SURPRISE!!!........................
Cha
(317,844 posts) Thank you Jon Stewart! & Segami~
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thinking it's been long enough, now, that she can go on an 'image rehabilitation' tour.
Cha
(317,844 posts)nothing wrong.. "who me?
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)... I am guessing she figures most have "moved on" as we were told to do.
And that she'd help herself to what catering prepared for guests, shill her book and share a laugh with Jon and then maybe have a late dinner.
Cha
(317,844 posts)
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,789 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)... with Jon Stewart in which he castigated himself for not being more aggressive when he interviewed Rumsfeld.
The minute I saw that Miller was tonight's guest, I knew that Stewart would correct his previous "mistake" and go for the throat.
He did not disappoint.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Almost! 
malthaussen
(18,503 posts)Since I thought the Rumsfeld interview was one of Mr Stewart's poorer efforts. I believe this is why we have horse races.
-- Mal
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)But apparently Stewart, in retrospect, wishes he'd pressed harder.
It's always amusing to watch people like Judith Miller come on TDS. You can see it in their demeanor immediately - they think they can outsmart Jon if he tries to get tough with them. And then he does - and then they get that deer-in-the-headlights look as they realize he's waaaay smarter than they are.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It shows in how he doesn't try to hide his laughter anymore, but it also shows in how sharp his words have become
shraby
(21,946 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)This slimy, pathetic weasel is responsible for pushing the lie that darth cheney and W-the-Idiot wanted the nation to fear. Lies, lies, and more lies.
And the really sad thing is, they will NEVER admit their role in leading us into a war that was NOT necessary...that cost a trillion dollars, 5000+ American military lives, HUNDREDS of thousands of Iraqi lives, and untold numbers of maimed and wounded and displaced lives. A special place in hell should be waiting for these egotistical lying sons of bitches.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I'm sure he just doesn't want to, but damn, he is such a great interviewer and has his facts down. Could you imagine John Stewart grilling the Washington establishment on a regular basis?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Was she on the White House payroll? Was she the Press Secretary?
What in the fuckitty fuck are they teaching at Journalism schools?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)"Believe the powerful because they would never lie to you".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026540633
Martin Eden
(15,464 posts)On that perhaps I can agree, though some of it may have been collusion rather than "failure." Where the Bush administration is concerned, it was institutional fraud of the highest order. They engaged in a false marketing campaign to deceive the American people, and "journalists" like Judith miller were important components of that campaign.
Gothmog
(177,237 posts)She really believes that she was not responsible for selling the war in Iraq and that what she did was journalism. Jon was very restrained with her and did a great job of showing that she was wrong
RobinA
(10,476 posts)with Jon in this one. Miller is a reporter. I'm assuming that the president doesn't get his foreign intelligence from the New York Times. I agree that when it comes to journalism, institutional failure is rampant. However, a person writing news stories did not get us into that war. At some point, the President, Congress and, well, people addressing Congress from inside the administration (yeah you, Mr. Powell), need to make honest, intelligent decisions regardless of popular opinion. The administration is solely responsible for this one. The journalistic failures are a sepatate issue.
I mean, to paraphrase many mothers; If all the voters and reporters are telling you to invade China, are you going to do it?
progressoid
(52,853 posts)Astrid_g
(7 posts)The idea that Judith Miller is just some innocent reporter who reported the "consensus" among the intelligence community is completely asinine.
The intelligence community was not "wrong", like Miller contends. The truth is that Judith Miller was FED information directly by the Bush administration, who then conveniently used her articles as fodder to go to war. Her job was to feed to the American people what she had been fed by the Bush administration.
She later outed CIA operative Valerie Plame--classified information that came from none other than Cheney's trusted adviser Scooter Libby. Bush then went on to commute Libby's sentence.
Judith Miller should not be blaming the intelligence community; she should be blaming herself for allowing herself to be a pawn and for being a megaphone to disseminate lies as a pretext for war.
She seems to have no idea how serious of an infraction she's guilty of. "I wasn't the only one who got it wrong" is weak. Ignorance in numbers is not an excuse. We've lost thousands of lives, millions of dollars, and we've planted seeds we still later have to sow. Yet she remains unapologetic, obfucastory and defensive.
MyOwnPeace
(17,473 posts)Welcome!
Thank you!!!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I agree with the other poster, very good first post.
Raster
(21,010 posts)bush*, miller, cheney*, libby, miller, bush*. Some kind of rancid circle jerk. Miller did not "allow herself to be a pawn." She jumped right on in. She knew she was a liar.
calimary
(89,373 posts)Glad you're here! Spot on, too. "Some innocent reporter" - HAH! She was part of the stovepipe operation by the White House Iraq Group and the Office of Special Plans. The david albright she quotes by name in the book and doesn't quote by name in the NYTimes story because they supposedly had to cut it for space? david albright was cheney's chief of staff. A slickie-boy if ever there was one. She was a willing participant, with this smug attitude about how she knew more than you did, and to her peers no doubt, smug about how she had higher-placed sources than they did. If she said david albright was one of her "experts," then she was indeed getting getting her "scoops" from cheney's office, or likely, cheney himself. Her smugness over the years since bush/cheney started the public drumbeat for war suggests she may have heard some of it directly from Darth himself.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)And...welcome to DU!
I'm thinking you write professionally. Am I correct?
tblue37
(68,362 posts)false information to further the also obviously illegal, immoral, and catastrophically destructive policies of a government, that reporter and/or news organization no longer function as a free press, but rather as a propaganda agent and/or ministry.
Propaganda agents and ministries absolutely DO share responsibility for the evil they help governments commit. Goebbels was as guilty as any other Nazi functionary, wasn't he? And Pravda was not an innocent bystander during the Soviet era.
Skittles
(170,353 posts)she would have reported that Bush Inc was doing and saying ANYTHING to get us into a war
Ms. Miller WAS PART OF THEIR TEAM
NYC Liberal
(20,450 posts)The media most certainly did get us into the war. They were key to it happening.
How else do you think people were persuaded that Iraq was a threat, that Saddam had WMDs pointed directly at us and was building nukes? They weren't persuaded just by Bush and Co. giving some speeches. They were persuaded by the constant, non-stop beating of war drums by the media on television and in print. Bush & Co. manufactured the evidence, then relied on people like Miller to "catapult the propaganda."
The war would not have happened if the media had been honest and refused to participate in the charade. Miller played a huge role — as did Tim Russert, who was Cheney's go-to guy in selling the war.
RobinA
(10,476 posts)that the press reaction to the buildup to the war and the buildup to the war are related but separate issues. The press behaved abominably and dishonestly. However, ultimately the responsiblity rested with the administration and Congress. The press and the voter (brainwashed by the press) could all have been clamoring for war but we could have not gone to war. The administration is not, and should not be, be a puppet of the press, and we sure has shoot know they aren't a puppet of the electorate.
I have no doubt that the administration tried to influence public opinion, that they were successful, and that some menbers of the press were complicit. Still not the same as the press getting us into the war. The decisionmakers are the ones tasked with making intellegent decisions that are in the best interests of the country given the available evidence.
And...all that said, Judith Miller et al. notwithstanding, there was enough press out there at the time telling a more accurate story that anybody reading the New York Times would have been aware that there was more than one opinion. Hell, I read an article in Time Magazine discussing the "real" findings of the weapons inspectors, and they were in no way supportive of war.
I have no problem dinging Miller and Friends of what they are actually guilty of, but to me, accusing them of getting us into the war allows the real journalistic issues to remain unexamaned. As well and the fubar policy decisions.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)blm
(114,501 posts).
0rganism
(25,538 posts)how does she sleep at night? how does she look in the mirror in the morning?
my best guess, based on that interview, is her book is (or contains, in large part) a self-apologetic intended to reinforce her own denial about her role in getting hundreds of thousands of people killed and pushing the region further into conflict.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)To treat this person, or any of those responsible for murdering a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis, brutally displacing five million innocent people and dropping a 'neutron bomb' onto Middle Eastern society, with such politeness strikes me as wrong. Despite the hard and insistent questions that Stewart asks, this interview gives legitimacy to lying liar Judith Miller, to the lying liars who are publishing her and who may well profit from her lies, and to the lying liars, mass murderers and torturers of the Bush Junta, who ripped western civilization to pieces as well, along with the babies, grandparents, pregnant women, parents, children, teachers, nurses, doctors, small business people, librarians, civil servants, bus drivers and all sorts of ordinary people whose bodies they ripped apart with their "shock and awe" bombing.
I would have preferred, say, a rotten egg throw. Say, give a chance to a legless U.S. soldier, or to an Iraqi orphan, to throw something nasty and squishy at Judith Miller. Unrealistic? Yeah, I guess he couldn't do that. He had to be polite. But his flawless questioning, and reason and logic, just don't cut it. In truth, Miller and her Junta belong in the stockade.
Also, there is more to this Miller person than lies. He should have asked, why did Donald Rumsfeld give Miller a signed authority to lead the U.S. troops who were 'hunting' for WMDs in Iraq around by the nose, pointing them at particular places? She was thoroughly annoying to the local commanders of those troops--whose complaints about her eventually made it into the news. What was she doing there?
I think--based upon a close study of events in spring-summer 2003--that she had been apprised by Rumsfeld that WMDs would be found, because he had arranged it, and she--as his chief shill--was going to get the "scoop." Somebody foiled that plot. I don't have a good guess as to who foiled it, but it could have been a faction of the CIA (which is why Cheney-Rumsfeld outed the CIA's WMD counterproliferation project?), and/or may have had something to do with UN weapons inspector and whistleblower David Kelly's death--very likely murdered, shortly after sending Judith Miller an email about "dark actors playing games." Indeed, Stewart should have politely asked her about David Kelly. It would have been interesting to see her face after a bombshell question like this: "Ms. Miller, who do you think the 'dark actors' were, who were harassing, and possibly murdered, David Kelly? Who was he talking about, in his email to you just before he was found dead?"
Instead, Stewart permitted her to maintain her phoney face throughout the interview. Nothing kicked her out of her bed of lies.
In this sense, it was just another interview of yet another lying liar mass murderer, in our rotten political culture of .01%ers and their shills.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)It was terrible, lethal policy.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)07'13"
WTF??!!! 
This is inexcusable! Miller doesn't quote David Albright's insistence that the tubes were not being used for banned weapons. Quoting him would have weakened Bush's argument for war with Iraq.
Remember: Albright wanted to go on record. To think that such an important bit of information was cut "due to space" is beyond contempt.
These people need to be doing time at the GitMo of their own making.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Baitball Blogger
(51,940 posts)Conventional wisdom for reporters at one time involved two sources of information before publishing a story. Judith Miller's excuse that she was manipulated by poor intelligence is just not credible. Stewart had it right. She relied too heavily on information that was coming out of the Bush spin machine. A competent, objective journalist would have remained skeptical.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)And she has a book. What BS from this 'journalist'. Good try at spinning her culpability in swaying sheeple to the bush/cheney administrations point of view.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)last week also did a really lame interview with Miller - he let her
interrupt constantly, and didn't challenge her "everyone
was wrong" meme.
I was horrified and enraged.
Shame on you, Mr. Hayes, now you share the guilt.
wiggs
(8,728 posts)the neocons and current GOP leadership invented and follow. To not report on this kind of thing is ANOTHER institutional failure of the current media (not Stewart of course). It is an EASY case to make by pundits, journalists, or dem leaders that there was plenty of skepticism around the world about Bush's rush to war. Forgeries, outing CIA agents, cartoon WMD factories, France and Germany warnings, embrace of Chalabi....there's a giant list of questions we should be asking Miller, Cheney, Jeb Bush (another neocon signee to PNAC). These questions were known prior to the Iraq invasion...it's NOT hindsight. But somehow the issue is always muddied, gray, polarized, forgotten.
The Bush aide who told Suskind that reality is what they make of it would recognize that Miller is simply continuing the successful propaganda effort to write history they way they want, avoiding further discussion, guilt, accountability, and the ability to process the Iraq/Bush disaster as a nation so we can avoid another moral/diplomatic/political/ social failure of judgement. The Suskind quote:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Miller's appearances are more of the same tactic. This quote should be brought up every day...or at least every day that Miller, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Libby, or Rumsfeld are even mentioned in the press.
benld74
(10,276 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)when she appeared on Bill Maher and he pitched soft balls to her. I thought Jon would do the same because he does try to be the gentleman, but he didn't. Jon is da mensch. That's for certain.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
rurallib
(64,631 posts)"I vas only following orders!"
for people who think consciences are inborn - they may be, but enough money, fame and lies to yourselves and it can be killed or at least fully ignored.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)she can PR back her reputation. What a sinfully horrid person. 
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The right wing blamed the failure of the war in Vietnam on the media. They determined they weren't going to let that happen again so they infiltrated the media.
Quixote1818
(31,148 posts)Hamlette
(15,556 posts)it was clear she is so into her denial (and Fox contract) that she didn't recognize Jon laid her open. That is a Sociopath my friends. In the flesh.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)
fishwax
(29,346 posts)
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Unfortunately the US corporate media feels that balance requires that the GOP be allowed to lie on a wide variety of issues with no context provided by the media. Thus if Cheney lies about yellowcake uranium the media will not point out the holes in the story. Truth cannot be balanced by a lie.
dflprincess
(29,256 posts)I haven't screamed that much at my TV since Bush was president.
That woman is a bigger weasel than I realized before and she just keeps lying with that sick smile on her face.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Bill Maher pretty much gave her a free pass on Real Time the other night.
The only thing he didn't get in was calling her on MANUFACTURED intelligence. But, he got close.
I'm gonna miss him.
JohnnyRingo
(20,672 posts)Miller ceased being a reporter and crossed the line to conduit for propaganda.
That Miller pens a book 13 years later to rewrite her role in distracting the country with war in Iraq should be laughable. The book's cover should feature an image of a tool box with a White House logo.
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)Never seen him do that to a guest's book.
If so, Bravo.
McKim
(2,426 posts)I so hope she comes to my town to promote her book. I can't wait to tell her what I think of her. We should not stand for these criminals or give them any respect. 500,000 people are dead in Iraq and she helped that happen. Her sidekick Michael Gordon is still writing for The Times, shameful!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)be reporting on issues of power, life and death. She is nothing more than a willing shill and accomplice to a horrible crime against humanity.
liberal N proud
(61,180 posts)
The entire world knew invading Iraq wrong and a mistake. Demonstrations against the invasion took place world wide. Bush was going to do it no matter what. Judith Miller wrote...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)were cut off the loop.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)... was to adroitly and publically call Judith Miller's new book a worthless piece of trash. Thank you, Jon.