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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:23 PM May 2012

President Obama accused the Republicans of being social Darwinists. What does that mean to you?

First I will establish where President Obama did this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/03/obama-accuses-republicans-social-darwinism-budget

The president painted the Republicans as serving the rich over the middle class by proposing "more than a trillion dollars in tax giveaways for people making more than $250,000 a year".

"That's an average of at least $150,000 for every millionaire in this country," he said. "It is a Trojan horse disguised as deficit reduction plans. It is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country. It is thinly veiled social Darwinism. It is antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity."

I believe I have fully communicated my interpretation of social Darwinism and its implications for society.

Logically and emotionally speaking, how does it come across to you?

Do you think President Obama was exaggerating, or was he being careful and precise?

If he was exaggerating, what differentiates the GOP policy from true social Darwinism?

If he was being careful and precise, would you not take this as a major threat to the survival of a civilized society?
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President Obama accused the Republicans of being social Darwinists. What does that mean to you? (Original Post) Zalatix May 2012 OP
Here is what I think azmaximillian May 2012 #1
In defense of Darwin, he did not use the phrase "survival of the fittest". aikoaiko May 2012 #5
You are correct. The phrase has something in common with the idea of eugenics as discribed in jwirr May 2012 #11
That is how I read it. jwirr May 2012 #9
A Hobbesian war of all against all, in which the 1% have hifiguy May 2012 #2
Well said malaise May 2012 #3
survival of the rich. the rest, only the strong pansypoo53219 May 2012 #4
Survival of the richest? hlthe2b May 2012 #6
You're on your own,kid. Swede May 2012 #7
social darwinism shouold have a different definition BOG PERSON May 2012 #8
Dog eat dog, baby. n/t Greybnk48 May 2012 #10
 

azmaximillian

(14 posts)
1. Here is what I think
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:40 PM
May 2012

Darwin espoused a theory known as " Survival of the fittest". President Obama is merely presenting the case that Republicans believe the natural order is to allow the fittest (wealthy) to prosper, and control our government. The middle class and poor (weak) are not as "fit" in this context. Obama believes that tax dollars should be allocated to social programs to enhance education and health care for the socially and economically disadvantaged, to make them more "fit". The GOP wants to deprive them of this to perpetuate, what they see as, their "superiority".

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. You are correct. The phrase has something in common with the idea of eugenics as discribed in
Tue May 8, 2012, 02:38 PM
May 2012

"The War Against the Weak" by Edwin Black. And eugenics was based on some English philosophers - can't remember which ones.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. A Hobbesian war of all against all, in which the 1% have
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:44 PM
May 2012

virtually all of the firepower and are a tightly bound by common class interests. The rest of us are just there to be exploited, starved, or mowed down.

BOG PERSON

(2,916 posts)
8. social darwinism shouold have a different definition
Tue May 8, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012

like it ought to be about how societies reproduce + expand themselves differently in every epoch, or how the bourgeoisie and the proletariat are always shaping + tempering + developing each other, along with the intermediary classes. and so on and so on. but, no, it turns out social darwinism means something totally ahistorical and anti-darwinist.

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