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KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
Fri May 1, 2015, 02:14 AM May 2015

Cops do it again. Now it's "Charging Your Electric Vehicle While Black".

A Santa Monica man was arrested on April 21 while attempting to charge his electric vehicle, and the incident is sparking discussions of racial profiling and the use of force that mirror the current national debate.

All sides agree on a basic set of facts. Justin Leland Palmer, 36, an African-American, NYU grad and father of four with no criminal history, was at the Virginia Avenue Park electric car charging station on the evening of April 21. He was asked to leave the charging station by police, he refused, he was asked for his identification, he refused, he was then tackled to the ground, pepper-sprayed and arrested. However, details, including why some of those actions were taken, are heavily disputed.

...

Camarena said when contacted, Palmer refused to leave the charging station and after making multiple requests for him to leave, officers decided to issue Palmer a citation. Palmer refused to provide his identification as part of the citation process, at which point officers decided to make an arrest for obstructing an officer and violating the posted hours of the park.

“During the arrest, the subject actively resisted,” said a statement issued by SMPD. “Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him. The subject was taken to Santa Monica Public Safety Facility where he was fingerprinted and booked. At the Santa Monica Jail the subject complained of pain. He was transported to the Santa Monica Hospital for treatment and was medically cleared. The subject was subsequently issued a citation and released.”

http://smdp.com/police-pepper-spray-santa-monica-man-park-dispute/147521#sthash.S9rXP1TS.dpuf

More details:

Palmer would not comment. Instead, he directed questions to his attorney, Justin H. Sanders, a Partner with Sanders, Roberts & Jewett.

According to Sanders, Palmer routinely uses the charging stations at the park. On April 21, he said, Palmer entered the park at about 9:30 p.m. and found all the charging bays in use. He waited in his car until about 10:30 p.m. when a charger became available. Palmer drove from one side of the parking lot to the now-open charging station, where officers contacted him.

Sanders described the officers’ behavior as “aggressive” from the start and said his client was singled out for police contact despite the presence of other people using the park and charging vehicles. He said when Palmer asked officers to explain why he was being prohibited from using the stations, the officers demanded to see identification. Palmer questioned why his identification was needed, as he felt he had done nothing wrong, and it was at that point he was arrested. According to Sanders, the arresting officer cuffed Palmer’s hands behind his back, swept his legs from under him and took him to the ground. While on the ground, Sanders said, a second officer used pepper spray on Palmer.

http://insideevs.com/attempt-to-charge-nissan-leaf-after-hours-ends-with-owner-pepper-sprayed-and-tackled-by-police-wvideo/

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Cops do it again. Now it's "Charging Your Electric Vehicle While Black". (Original Post) KeepItReal May 2015 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 May 2015 #1
its going to be a long hot summer in L.A. olddots May 2015 #2
Everyone knows that a black man should not be able to purchase one of those electric hybrids. kelliekat44 May 2015 #71
maybe elsewhere too. nt LiberalElite May 2015 #72
Exactly who are the thugs? BrotherIvan May 2015 #3
Precisely. Enthusiast May 2015 #8
Cops and Wall Street and Bush and Cheney and O'Reilly are the thugs. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #53
Those that you mention are more than thugs, they are CRIMINALS BrotherIvan May 2015 #57
BILLO is such a tool...how unfair is life that he is rich and lives the life and we dont NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #61
Beggin' yer pardon, but Jackpine Radical May 2015 #75
more highly qualified candidates for president of their union nt msongs May 2015 #4
This country truly hates black people. MrScorpio May 2015 #5
... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #6
It's going to be a LLLLOOONNNNGGG HOT SUMMER nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #7
What a soul-sucking toll this takes on our African American fellow citizens. :( lexington filly May 2015 #9
Oh f&@k Canoe52 May 2015 #10
It's been going on all along in the Black community brush May 2015 #35
Even worse, when they Knew they were being taped, didn't seem to make much difference. Agree with libdem4life May 2015 #62
WTH? romanic May 2015 #11
or he obviously bought it with illegal drug profits rurallib May 2015 #34
No. The chargers were closed. Xithras May 2015 #45
I understand they had cause for a citation. My question is, why was he the only one cited? nt okaawhatever May 2015 #54
It says in the article that the other people there were asked to leave and they did. tammywammy May 2015 #56
OK Thanks nt okaawhatever May 2015 #59
I wondered when I read that, it seemed odd Trillo May 2015 #58
Low battery charge Warpy May 2015 #79
Simple solution: Shut the chargers off at the specified hour. hunter May 2015 #68
I'm guessing I don't understand the physical layout there SusanCalvin May 2015 #76
Watch the video in the OP link OnlinePoker May 2015 #81
Thanks for making the point. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #85
Terrible. Turin_C3PO May 2015 #12
Arthur Ashe, when asked whether AIDS was the hardest thing he ever faced, SAID NO. lostnfound May 2015 #15
This is so sad. BeanMusical May 2015 #83
Me neither get the red out May 2015 #37
Watching and listening to the video one thought came to me rpannier May 2015 #13
You have the right to remain silent. safeinOhio May 2015 #16
So he was cuffed, then assaulted, for not showing "zee paperz"? Scootaloo May 2015 #14
So was the park closed or not when he started charging? PinkPotus May 2015 #17
If you read the article gollygee May 2015 #19
The article I read implied the park was closed when he started charging. PinkPotus May 2015 #21
Here's what I read gollygee May 2015 #22
From the OP PinkPotus May 2015 #25
Well that's for the courts to work out I guess gollygee May 2015 #26
Agreed. I'm just saying if he was in violation of the posted hours... PinkPotus May 2015 #28
SAnta Monica Parks page- open until 11 PM Beaverhausen May 2015 #50
I saw upthread where the charging station closed at 8 pm. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #55
Wrong. The charging station is open during park hours Beaverhausen May 2015 #63
That's not a city website. The hours could have changed and that website not updated. tammywammy May 2015 #67
I rarely carry I.D.... hunter May 2015 #69
The article states they asked others to leave and they complied. tammywammy May 2015 #38
Maybe they were done charging their cars? gollygee May 2015 #41
Generally speaking... Xithras May 2015 #44
After waiting an hour to charge my car, I'd be really yeoman6987 May 2015 #30
If he started charging at 10:30, the park was still open. Gormy Cuss May 2015 #27
It said he was arrested at 10:54 n/t gollygee May 2015 #31
Right, before the park was closed. Gormy Cuss May 2015 #32
The park closes at 11pm, the charging station closes at 8pm tammywammy May 2015 #39
Other people were charging gollygee May 2015 #42
Yeah, but they weren't black. Iggo May 2015 #89
Wrong. The charging station is open during park hours Beaverhausen May 2015 #64
Here's a photo of the sign saying 8pm tammywammy May 2015 #70
That says 3 hour charging limit 8AM-8PM, not open-close hours. NutmegYankee May 2015 #88
Yes, saw that. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2015 #87
+1 Buzz Clik May 2015 #40
Considering how agressive cops are these days, if he told them to get lost... Lancero May 2015 #33
The park itself is open to 11 PM Warpy May 2015 #80
What reason did they give for asking him to leave the charging station? gollygee May 2015 #18
You must have missed this part. WillowTree May 2015 #46
But I didn't miss this part: BeeBee May 2015 #60
I love how the cops are trying o put their spin on the witness video. Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #20
That was something to see. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2015 #29
When do the demonstators march? fadedrose May 2015 #23
K&R for visability nt avebury May 2015 #24
Disgusting!!!!! get the red out May 2015 #36
WTF is happening?? Initech May 2015 #43
It's always been happening. Just now we can make each other more aware. KeepItReal May 2015 #47
It's Santa Monica. The rules exist to control "uppity" black, Mexican, and hobo people. hunter May 2015 #48
It's not. My brother, until recently, lived on 3rd St. It's "elite liberal." ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #51
I could write many movie scripts about Santa Monica... hunter May 2015 #78
probably acting on orders from the Kochs Takket May 2015 #49
Yeah thats a twofer workinclasszero May 2015 #52
Santa Monica BETTER change the park hours to 3AM as well benld74 May 2015 #65
Really SusanCalvin May 2015 #77
Palmer has no complaint.... Bigmack May 2015 #66
Yay!!! vlakitti May 2015 #82
k&r... spanone May 2015 #73
Who has given the orders?! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #74
What a horrible story. BeanMusical May 2015 #84
CWB? AnnieBW May 2015 #86
Make sure Justice is served. RoseVil May 2015 #90
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
71. Everyone knows that a black man should not be able to purchase one of those electric hybrids.
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:45 PM
May 2015

He should know better. Cops become enraged when they see a black man with a car they themselves can't afford.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
53. Cops and Wall Street and Bush and Cheney and O'Reilly are the thugs.
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:57 PM
May 2015

We all need to keep saying this over and over.

It is no longer a discussion, anyone who wants to debate this can go to a rightwing racist site and discuss it, here we have decided to stop pretending we dont know what is happening right in front of our eyes.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
57. Those that you mention are more than thugs, they are CRIMINALS
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

Well, except maybe O'Reilly who is just a lying ass.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
75. Beggin' yer pardon, but
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:24 PM
May 2015

there is no way in Hell I would trade my own life circumstances for those of Bill O'Reilly. There are a lot of ways for genuine assholes to get rich, and he found himself a particularly destructive one.

He may have a lot of money, but he is not rich in any way that counts. I do not have a lot of money, but I have enough to live on and have wonderful family and friends and a life filled with meaning that extends far beyond my own narrow interests. I spend time every day immersed in gratitude for my riches.

Evil people do not live good lives, no matter what it may look like from the outside. I would not want to be a prisoner in his head.

Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
10. Oh f&@k
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:23 AM
May 2015

Sorry for my French, but this is just nuts. I'm so tired of hearing this almost daily now, that I'm ready to drop by my local police station and ask them what the hell is wrong with you people!

Have these cops always been doing this and only because of the internet we are finally hearing about it, or is this a fairly new phenomenon?

And thirdly, what can we do about changing this? It has to stop, it's sick, it's disgusting, and we as a society shouldn't be allowing this to go on.

brush

(53,759 posts)
35. It's been going on all along in the Black community
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:22 AM
May 2015

Last edited Fri May 1, 2015, 05:11 PM - Edit history (1)

The new technology of cellphone video has exposed police brutality and cops to the general public.

Not being the sharpest knives in the drawer, many cops haven't caught on yet that when they brutalize in public now there is likely someone with a cellphone nearby taping it.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
62. Even worse, when they Knew they were being taped, didn't seem to make much difference. Agree with
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:22 PM
May 2015

the cell phone as having A Lot of power...especially streaming, as I've heard.

rurallib

(62,403 posts)
34. or he obviously bought it with illegal drug profits
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:20 AM
May 2015

I mean how else could a black man afford such a car?

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
45. No. The chargers were closed.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:37 AM
May 2015

It's right in the first linked article. The electric charging stations closed at 8PM. Palmer entered the park 90 minutes after the chargers closed, and tried to plug in two and a half hours after they closed. The police asked him to leave because the chargers were no longer open to the public. When he refused, they tried to write him a citation for using the facilities after hours. Things escalated from there.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
56. It says in the article that the other people there were asked to leave and they did.
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:03 PM
May 2015

He refused to leave that's why they wanted to issue the citation.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
58. I wondered when I read that, it seemed odd
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

that the guy would wait for an hour to fill up his tank, which in this case is a battery. I wouldn't voluntarily wait for a hour to fill my car with gasoline (I don't have an electric), so why would someone with an electric vehicle wait that long to fill theirs?

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
79. Low battery charge
Sat May 2, 2015, 12:06 AM
May 2015

and maybe not enough juice to make it home.

People would start waiting at 5 AM for stations that opened at 8 AM back in the oil shocks in the 70s. When gas supplies get low, this stuff happens.

As more charging stations open, having police want to close down a park station won't be as much of an issue. Right now, it seems to be because there are just too few commercial stations in the area.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
68. Simple solution: Shut the chargers off at the specified hour.
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

But even more reasonable, put in more chargers and allow them to be used 24/7.

I do think this problem will solve itself. Fast food restaurants, diners, and other traditional auto-centric 24/7 businesses will more commonly offer free or reduced rate charging, just as they now offer free clean toilets.

This doesn't mean the police will harass black people any less, however.

There was absolutely no excuse for what the police did here. They presumably had the car's license plate number, knew it hadn't been reported as stolen, and probably could have sent out a parking citation by mail.

Hell, my kids have gotten tickets for dumb young adult driving tricks, things like using the FasTrak lanes without a pass, or overstaying the limit at public parking garages. No police interactions at all, leave the scolding to the owners of the car, in this case mom and pop.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
76. I'm guessing I don't understand the physical layout there
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:27 PM
May 2015

Because my first question is why *anyone* was still there so long after closing.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
81. Watch the video in the OP link
Sat May 2, 2015, 02:05 AM
May 2015

The park was closed between 11PM and 3AM. He was approached by officers at 10:30. From what I can see, there is at least one other car beside the one (I'm assuming) is the arrested man. Clearly, the other people never left either.

lostnfound

(16,169 posts)
15. Arthur Ashe, when asked whether AIDS was the hardest thing he ever faced, SAID NO.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:16 AM
May 2015

When asked if AIDS was the worst thing he had ever faced, he said "no, the hardest thing was being a black man in this society ."

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
13. Watching and listening to the video one thought came to me
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:42 AM
May 2015

Watch when you're being questioned by police as to what happened. They will often try and twist what you say to make you either give the story they want or just flat out confuse you to the point where you're uncertain of much.
They are trained in the art of questioning and deception.
Be careful

safeinOhio

(32,656 posts)
16. You have the right to remain silent.
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:10 AM
May 2015

Anything you say will be misquoted, and then used against you.

I have a tee shirt with the quote above it. It was given to me by my ex, a cop.

Cops are not only likely to lie about everything, they are trained to do it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. So he was cuffed, then assaulted, for not showing "zee paperz"?
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:47 AM
May 2015

If there were justice in the world, every police officer would wake up in the morning with a blast of pepper spray to the face and kick to the groin.

 

PinkPotus

(35 posts)
17. So was the park closed or not when he started charging?
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:32 AM
May 2015

If it was after hours, he should have presented ID. If it wasn't after hours he rightly should have told them to get lost.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
19. If you read the article
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:40 AM
May 2015

it says all the stations were being used and he was waiting in his car for a station to open.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. Here's what I read
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:19 AM
May 2015

"According to Sanders, Palmer routinely uses the charging stations at the park. On April 21, he said, Palmer entered the park at about 9:30 p.m. and found all the charging bays in use. He waited in his car until about 10:30 p.m. when a charger became available. Palmer drove from one side of the parking lot to the now-open charging station, where officers contacted him."

Maybe it's like a pay-at-the-pump place where there building is open some of the time but you can fuel up at other times? If all the bays were in use at 9:30, people were using it.

 

PinkPotus

(35 posts)
25. From the OP
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:34 AM
May 2015
Camarena said when contacted, Palmer refused to leave the charging station and after making multiple requests for him to leave, officers decided to issue Palmer a citation. Palmer refused to provide his identification as part of the citation process, at which point officers decided to make an arrest for obstructing an officer and violating the posted hours of the park.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
26. Well that's for the courts to work out I guess
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:46 AM
May 2015

If other people were using the charging stations at that time, then there's no reason he couldn't as well. Were they all violating the posted hours of the park? And if so, why was he singled out?

 

PinkPotus

(35 posts)
28. Agreed. I'm just saying if he was in violation of the posted hours...
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:47 AM
May 2015

He had an obligation to provide ID.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
63. Wrong. The charging station is open during park hours
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015
http://carstations.com/523/comment-page-1

scroll down and look on the left hand side.

Parking & Charge Costs and hours available:
Cost to Park: Free
Cost to Charge: Free
Hours Available : Park hours

hunter

(38,309 posts)
69. I rarely carry I.D....
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

...because I like to pretend I live in some kind of Democratic Republic, not some "Papers Please!" fascist state.

I'm way more bad-ass than any "Second Amendment" gun nut. I don't need guns to feel secure.

I'm also keenly aware I can get away with that because I'm very white and usually very polite.

I learned polite by bad example. My wild west mom and her mom often failed in the polite department. But way back then any cop who provoked a physical altercation with an angry white women and lost would have been marked forever as a sissy. Damaging or killing a white women wouldn't enhance a cop reputation.

When the courts declared my grandma a danger to herself and others, she held off the police and paramedics for about four hours that seemed like centuries, hitting, kicking, clawing, throwing things, biting, and cussing like the World War II shipyard welder and after hours party girl she once was.

My mom had previously removed the guns from grandma's house, but later we found more.



Either my grandma had forgotten where she'd hid the guns, or she'd still been sane enough not to escalate a hopeless situation.

I wouldn't trust many of today's cops as far as I'd have trusted my grandma at her very, very, wild west worst.

Grandma's Berserker states could almost be considered an art form. But in cops such behavior is simply very crass, ugly, unprofessional, occasionally escalating to outright murderous.




gollygee

(22,336 posts)
41. Maybe they were done charging their cars?
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:06 AM
May 2015

If he was legally entitled to be there, and it appears the park doesn't close until after he was arrested, then he is not required to leave even if they ask him. Asking assumes no is an acceptable answer.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
44. Generally speaking...
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:36 AM
May 2015

If people are already plugged in and charging when the chargers close, they're allowed to remain plugged in until they're done. They don't walk through at 8PM and unplug everybody. He was trying to start a new charging session after the chargers had closed, which was not legal.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
30. After waiting an hour to charge my car, I'd be really
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

Pissed if I was told to leave. I know I'd give attitude towards them and if I had to give identification I'd probably throw it at them. An hour wait to use the electricity? Oh yeah cops would hear it from me and the next day I'd trade the car in.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
27. If he started charging at 10:30, the park was still open.
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:46 AM
May 2015

Most Santa Monica parks including this one are open until 11 PM.

CA isn't a stop and identify state, so it's unclear why failure to show ID would escalate to pepper spray and arrest.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
32. Right, before the park was closed.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:09 AM
May 2015

It's unclear from the links how well the charging stations are marked but one link said the stations close at 8:30 (that's really dumb given how many people would want to charge after work, but I digress.)

Either way, I seriously doubt that an officer would have pepper sprayed my white female self for asking why I had to show him ID.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
42. Other people were charging
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

If people are able to charge after 8, then maybe the building at the charging station closes but the stations are still open, in pay-at-the-pump style. All the stations were busy at 9:30, which is why he had to wait, so it was obviously still available as a charging area after 8.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
64. Wrong. The charging station is open during park hours
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

Parking & Charge Costs and hours available:
Cost to Park: Free
Cost to Charge: Free
Hours Available : Park hours

http://carstations.com/523/comment-page-1

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
88. That says 3 hour charging limit 8AM-8PM, not open-close hours.
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:13 AM
May 2015

No different than parking signs that limits the time a car can park during certain parts of the day.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
33. Considering how agressive cops are these days, if he told them to get lost...
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

The cops would have likely 'lost' 6 or seven rounds of ammo into his back.

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
80. The park itself is open to 11 PM
Sat May 2, 2015, 12:27 AM
May 2015

but the charging stations were supposed to be closed at 8 PM.

While I can see closing a city park in a fancy ass area like Santa Monica (they like to discourage "undesirables" from sleeping there), I can't really understand why the charging stations had an earlier closing hour without being shut down...or why they're closed, at all. There are 2 stations inside the park and 2 in the park parking lot, which is where it sounds like he was.

It also looks like a lot of the charging stations there are in public parks or at public buildings, a few associated with dealerships and one at a Whole Foods. All probably close when the facilities or businesses do.

I also think the problem will eventually solve itself as charging stations are offered at restaurants, shopping malls, and other establishments to draw customers away from businesses without them, but it's not happening yet.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. What reason did they give for asking him to leave the charging station?
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:39 AM
May 2015

He's not required to leave someplace he's legally entitled to be, and he's not required to give his identification. Can you imagine if white people were routinely told to leave places for no reason, and told to give identification when they'd done nothing wrong? Heads would roll. Heads should roll here too!

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
46. You must have missed this part.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:38 AM
May 2015

".......officers decided to make an arrest for.......violating the posted hours of the park."

BeeBee

(1,074 posts)
60. But I didn't miss this part:
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:15 PM
May 2015

"Sanders described the officers’ behavior as “aggressive” from the start and said his client was singled out for police contact despite the presence of other people using the park and charging vehicles."

Did they arrest everyone there or just the black guy?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,319 posts)
20. I love how the cops are trying o put their spin on the witness video.
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:43 AM
May 2015

Fucking hell.

They know they have a mess on their hands. This is a new tactic. Start questioning the witness while their camera is rolling and try to get them to admit, on camera, they "didn't see everything"

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
23. When do the demonstators march?
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:23 AM
May 2015

What happens to the great guys who join the police force because they want to make a place better?

So much education and training is needed everywhere in the country it seems.

I've come to forget that blacks commit the most crimes and have come to the conclusion that maybe the whites aren't scrutinized enough and if they were, blacks don't commit more crimes.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
47. It's always been happening. Just now we can make each other more aware.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:38 AM
May 2015

Let's never stop shining a light on this police ridiculousness.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
48. It's Santa Monica. The rules exist to control "uppity" black, Mexican, and hobo people.
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

A few decades ago I had an unpleasant experience with the Santa Monica Police. I was sleeping in my car, and before I was fully awake they had me on the ground. I'm not black or Mexican, so they must have figured me for a hobo. When they realized I was not the typical hobo, they picked me up off the ground and went on the prowl for other people to harass.

Santa Monica is a liberal place, they do, after all, have electric charging stations but the affluent white community is frequently clueless about what's going on outside their protected "bubble."

Maybe it's different now from when I was a common visitor (I've long lived away from Southern California), but it seems not...



ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
51. It's not. My brother, until recently, lived on 3rd St. It's "elite liberal."
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:51 PM
May 2015

All words about equality, but "please keep people who are different from us at a safe distance. Thank you officer."

hunter

(38,309 posts)
78. I could write many movie scripts about Santa Monica...
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:57 PM
May 2015


My great grandma owned a home there, sold in the 'fifties, but that's a historical detail. My grandma and her sister ran away to Hollywood as teens. My great grand mom followed shortly after to protect her daughters' honors. She was not successful. My great aunt had multiple Hollywood husbands, and my grandma graduated from UCLA and married a very eccentric Army Air Force rocket scientist.

The reason I was sleeping in my car was that I'd just returned from some very dirty desert evolutionary biology field work, stinky and dirty, and I didn't want to want to wake my girlfriend up too early.

My wonderful plan was to surprise her as her morning alarm went off and make her breakfast before she went to work.

Double plus fail. I got rolled by the police and my girlfriend was angry I hadn't called ahead.

Takket

(21,550 posts)
49. probably acting on orders from the Kochs
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

What could they hate more than a black individual with an electric car?

benld74

(9,904 posts)
65. Santa Monica BETTER change the park hours to 3AM as well
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:36 PM
May 2015

else they will be repeating the same problem but with different hours

Before Park Closes at 11PM
Charging stations close at 8PM

After Park closes at 11pm
Charging stations close at 3AM

Police say they were enforcing the 11PM PARK CLOSING WHILE in the charging station area.
Leaving the stations open until 3am while the park closes at 11PM

DOES NOTHING

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
66. Palmer has no complaint....
Fri May 1, 2015, 01:43 PM
May 2015

... after all, they didn't just shoot him multiple times.

We all need to learn to be more grateful that the police don't shoot us for parking violations and general mopery.

AnnieBW

(10,421 posts)
86. CWB?
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:27 AM
May 2015

Charging While Black? What's next? I mean we already have DWB and WWB. I guess Breathing While Black is in there, too.

RoseVil

(1 post)
90. Make sure Justice is served.
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

The city of Santa Monica is not filing charges against Justin Palmer in connection with his arrest while he was charging his electric vehicle in Virginia Avenue Park on April 21, 2015. A statement issued by the City of Santa Monica on May 5, 2015 said that after careful examination of the circumstances a decision was made not to file charges against Palmer.

http://mynewsla.com/crime/2015/05/05/man-pepper-sprayed-arrested-in-santa-monica-park-wont-face-charges/

According to Mr. Palmer's attorney, Justin H. Sanders, "The City Attorney's decision not to prosecute Mr. Palmer was made within few hours of the incident and is consistent with our position from the beginning that Mr. Palmer did nothing wrong. Mr. Palmer is clearly the victim of police brutality and extreme excessive force.”

http://smdp.com/charges-man-pepper-sprayed-park/147738

I think Mr. Palmer’s rights have been violated by the police officers with the use of excessive force and false arrest. He was not resisting arrest but merely asking why the police wanted his ID since he thought he did not do anything wrong. There were other people in the park charging their cars at the time but he was singled out.

http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_site/the_lookout/news/News-2015/April-2015/04_29_2015_Attorney_Claims_Super-Aggressive_Santa_Monica_Officers_Roughed_Up_Client.html

Mr. Palmer fell to the hard concrete face down, hand-cuffed, pepper sprayed and physically assaulted by the police officers. The force used was unnecessary and excessive. More so in this case the police brutality and abuse of power boils down to racism because of Mr. Palmer’s skin color. He is black.

I feel so sorry for Mr. Palmer because police abuse inflicts lasting trauma on the victims and their families. Mr. Palmer is a father of four young girls, trying to earn a living and had clean record before his fateful encounter with the police. Now he is injured in the hands of the police, went to jail, is losing salaries and wages, pays for medical bills and is suffering mental and emotional distress.
Mr. Palmer face the additional injustice of the harm done to his reputation via a criminal record. It has been said that broken bones and bruises heal, but a criminal record follows you to your grave.

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