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Titles... (Original Post) MrScorpio May 2015 OP
K&R. nt tblue37 May 2015 #1
Weak. greyl May 2015 #2
. MrScorpio May 2015 #3
That one's strong - it actually makes sense under scrutiny. greyl May 2015 #4
"Weren't there violent demonstrations in the 60s in which people were called thugs?" Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #7
Watch Berkeley in the Sixties to refresh your memory of the variety of protests. greyl May 2015 #20
If you were talking about "thug" in general.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #30
I like what Mfume said at the end of a CNN clip about this topic. greyl May 2015 #33
I usually avoid quoting... NaturalHigh May 2015 #9
Frankly, the FBI can go fuck itself MrScorpio May 2015 #13
+1000 Tom Ripley May 2015 #19
"The controversy isn't about peaceful demonstrators being called thugs." NaturalHigh May 2015 #10
This is America MrScorpio May 2015 #14
Yes, but it is not the peaceful ones being called thugs. Ms. Toad May 2015 #16
It doesn't take a lot to classify someone as a criminal MrScorpio May 2015 #18
Where did you get your OP image? nt greyl May 2015 #23
Tumblr. nt MrScorpio May 2015 #25
Put it back! greyl May 2015 #28
No one is calling those folks thugs. Ms. Toad May 2015 #31
This is a very thought provoking group of images... Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #5
The first three are true. Not taking anything from them. The fouth is heartbreaking. merrily May 2015 #6
If by "true" you mean "false", then yes. greyl May 2015 #22
The date was off by 2 years gollygee May 2015 #24
It's a world famous photo, greyl May 2015 #34
I meant that all four photos depict brave acts. merrily May 2015 #32
Right, that's what people are supposed to notice, greyl May 2015 #35
K&R Gothmog May 2015 #8
UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #11
Yup. BumRushDaShow May 2015 #12
People don't see we are living in an oppressive system. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #15
What is interesting was the Angela Davis interview BumRushDaShow May 2015 #17
Nobody calls peaceful protestors "thugs". Why didn't you use this photo in the bottom right? KittyWampus May 2015 #21
Why would it be any better to call those kids thugs? Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #27
I didn't make the graphic in the OP which uses that term. KittyWampus May 2015 #29
That guy in Baltimore is a hero in my eyes derby378 May 2015 #26
K & R Scurrilous May 2015 #36

greyl

(22,990 posts)
2. Weak.
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:13 AM
May 2015

That picture misrepresents the controversy by exaggeration, plus feeds into a false narrative that protestors = violent criminals.

The controversy isn't about peaceful demonstrators being called thugs.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
4. That one's strong - it actually makes sense under scrutiny.
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:26 AM
May 2015

Your pic in the OP didn't offend my moral sense, if that's what you're implying.

edit: I'm also not saying that swapping in a photo of 2015 looting would fix the picture. I'm saying the whole concept behind it is faulty.
(White people weren't the only ones protesting in DC in 1965, right? Weren't there violent demonstrations in the 60s in which people were called thugs?)

edit 2: additionally, the famous flower pic is from 1967. It is DC, though.
http://www.marcriboud.com/marcriboud/accueil.html

Where did you get the OP pic?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
7. "Weren't there violent demonstrations in the 60s in which people were called thugs?"
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:05 AM
May 2015

No. They were called "hippie freaks".

greyl

(22,990 posts)
20. Watch Berkeley in the Sixties to refresh your memory of the variety of protests.
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
May 2015

Bobby Seale:

"I was never interested in an isolationist black nationalist movement," says the now 77-year-old Seale, who worked for the city of Oakland and served in the Army before becoming an activist. He was among those interviewed for the play and saw it performed in Ashland. "Ronald Reagan called me a hoodlum and a thug, but what I stood for was social justice, voter registration and power to the people, all the people, black, blue or polka-dotted."
http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainment/ci_26719757/party-people-brings-dawn-black-panthers-berkeley


Seale said that as early as 2005, far as I can tell: http://m.semissourian.com/story/155595.html
Of course people were calling "law enforcement" officers jack booted thugs back then, too. It was going both ways.
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. If you were talking about "thug" in general....
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

It wasn't a label associated with flower children though.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
33. I like what Mfume said at the end of a CNN clip about this topic.
Fri May 1, 2015, 12:16 PM
May 2015

Frustrated with CNN giving airtime to the "thug" word controversy, Kweisi said it was a distraction from the stuff people should be focusing on, and he tried to bring the conversation back to poverty, bad cops, etc.

MrScorpio

(73,660 posts)
13. Frankly, the FBI can go fuck itself
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:10 AM
May 2015

Along with its long held campaign of political oppression in this country.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. "The controversy isn't about peaceful demonstrators being called thugs."
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:01 AM
May 2015

Exactly. People are guaranteed the right to protest under our Constitution's First Amendment. They aren't guaranteed the right to riot and loot.

MrScorpio

(73,660 posts)
14. This is America
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:13 AM
May 2015

The powers that be have been arresting and murdering peaceful protestors since day one.

How about a little sympathy for black rage?

Ms. Toad

(34,743 posts)
16. Yes, but it is not the peaceful ones being called thugs.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

The ones being called thugs are the ones committing crimes.

That's where the analogy breaks down.

MrScorpio

(73,660 posts)
18. It doesn't take a lot to classify someone as a criminal
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

Baltimore filled its jails up with people who committed no crime at all, many weren't even charged.

What's broken down is our society. This uprising is the result. If there was no breakdown to begin with, the uprising and everything that came with it wouldn't have occurred.

These are people who are sick and tired of suffering in silence.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
28. Put it back!
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:43 AM
May 2015

Looks like something a right-wing troll would create to make people look silly for spreading it, imo.
The incorrect date(at least one) is the clincher, for me.

Ms. Toad

(34,743 posts)
31. No one is calling those folks thugs.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

The ones being called thugs are the ones who broke into stores and stole things, set cars on fire, set stores on fire, etc.

If you want to be honest about your pictorial analogy, the last people should include an image of someone engaged in the activities for which they are being called thugs.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
5. This is a very thought provoking group of images...
Fri May 1, 2015, 03:36 AM
May 2015

Probably each one of those people was slandered by the dominant system in their own society.

Right now the so-called "thugs" are being slandered. But their struggle is for freedom and justice. I think the day will come when people look back at many of them as freedom fighters.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
24. The date was off by 2 years
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:27 AM
May 2015

The context doesn't change. Not sure why you're so focused on a mistake in the date?

 

brooklynite

(96,641 posts)
11. UNREC
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:05 AM
May 2015

The word "thug" has not been applied to all protestors (certainly not by the Mayor or the President); it has been applied to the looters and the arsonists.





BumRushDaShow

(133,744 posts)
12. Yup.
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:08 AM
May 2015

It's remarkable about how many DUers fail to see the racial issue here because "race" (most notably, the "black race&quot and racism doesn't matter, is old-timey, and only happened "in the past", so it's not a factor in what is going on today and how it is being interpreted and labeled.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
15. People don't see we are living in an oppressive system.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:49 AM
May 2015

They know it has problems, but they don't see it as a totally rotten system of institutional racism, oppression and exploitation.

Like you said, people think those days are in the past, but clearly we are still living through it.

BumRushDaShow

(133,744 posts)
17. What is interesting was the Angela Davis interview
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:05 AM
May 2015

from 1972 that was posted here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017262429

And I found and posted the video of a panel discussion that she was just in a couple months ago where she commented on that 1972 interview, and compared to where things stand today.

I.e., some things have changed, but whole lot has not. That is what is meant by "institutionalized" and "systemic"... and IMHO, a lot of it has to do with sociological issues. I remember way long time ago taking a course on "Sociology of the American Society" (or similarly named) and it was eye-opening in terms of pointing out the building of the framework for what we saw happen in the past and what was happening at the time - when Reagan first got elected (late '70s/early '80s when I took the course) and what would happen in the future (which is our now).

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
21. Nobody calls peaceful protestors "thugs". Why didn't you use this photo in the bottom right?
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
May 2015
The looters and brick throwers took the spotlight away from the courageous protestor you showed on the bottom right.


It's one thing to point out the pent up energy and what happens when dreams are deferred.

It's another to be dishonest and deny the obvious.

I don't use the word "thug" anyway. But your graphic is misleading.







derby378

(30,252 posts)
26. That guy in Baltimore is a hero in my eyes
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

Not many people can stand up in the face of oppression like that. I salute him.

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