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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN Breaking News: Six police officers have been charged in the death of Freddie Gray
Six police officers have been charged in the death of Freddie Gray, Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby said today.
One officer -- the driver of the police van -- has been charged with several counts, including second-degree depraved-heart murder. Another officer has been charged with several counts, including manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. Two other officers have been charged with several counts, including involuntary manslaughter. And two officers are charged with several counts, including second-degree assault.
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Marilyn Mosby is a hero!
gordianot
(15,237 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,588 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Unlike Ferguson, I had complete faith in the city of Baltimore. Glad to see it wasn't misplaced.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)They have been trying to address police misconduct, but it is not easy.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)I looked into Commissioner Batts, and realized he was cleaning up the corruption in the PD. A real life James Gordon, as it were. It takes time to rout out systematic corruption.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)or is that going to be swept under the rug?
Plus "involuntary manslaughter"? fuck that. There was nothing involuntary about this. They murdered him and they are all accomplices in murder.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Not familiar with MD law, but there's probably something that makes involuntary manslaughter the legally correct charge despite the common definition.
Failing to obtain medical treatment, for example, may not count as murder under MD statutes.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I'm not familiar with that term.
Thank you in advance.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)You don't have to necessarily plan to kill someone, but if you intentionally do something that places them in a position that there's a high probability they would die, you are guilty of murder.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)n/t
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)just trying to make sure I understand exactly what Ms. Mosby's office will have to prove to get a verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)Hence that's why the driver got that additional charge.
The failure to seat belt Gray would be manslaughter, since at the very least, it is gross negligence and a violation of protocol.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)hear her recapitulation of the full timeline. I got to it just as Ms. Mosby finished the timeline and began laying out the charges.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action that demonstrates a "callous disregard for human life" and results in death. In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[1]
If no death results, such acts would generally be defined as reckless endangerment (sometimes known as "culpable negligence" and possibly other crimes, such as assault.
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1 Common law background
2 Under the Model Penal Code
3 International equivalents
4 References
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corkhead
(6,119 posts)I hope this sends a message far and wide to law enforcement that they are going to be held accountable for their "depraved-heart" actions culture.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)and I really wish I knew the answer for sure. I'd like to say justice would have prevailed eventually, but I really don't believe it.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)That is the most succinct description I have yet heard for cop culture, and as I think about it, it pretty much extends to the entire Republican contingent in Congress.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)of police culture....
Jim__
(14,075 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Finally, finally!
HALLELUJAH!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Now all we need is for them to be tried together, in front of 12 Black Ladies with children.
brush
(53,764 posts)Baltimore is a majority Black city.
Those prosecutors in Ferguson and Staten Island should be ashamed of themselves about now.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not idea why they would do that. Thank you brooklynite for this one. In that post most of them were also charged with false imprisonment.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)same news was posted at 10:56 am. It's right near the top of late breaking news right now.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Now we will wait and see if they are convicted. A few good convictions would resonant through police departments everywhere!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...in general, no. 90% of cops are FOX news watching Republicans.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... just hopeful. I think one of the primary problems is that they have learned that in general they can get away with it. If a few of them get 20 to life maybe that will be instructional to some of the others.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)has come. In particular, state law enforcement must adopt and commit to formal standards for use of force, handling of prisoners, de-escalation, and oversight.
Unfortunately, just like any other line of work, to get truly professional work you need to pay professional level salaries. Just the opposite of what is happening with to teachers...
fbc
(1,668 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)getting on my last nerve
Takket
(21,560 posts)and if so, will we see a repeat of Michael Brown where the prosecutor withheld evidence and acted as the defense attorney so no charges would be filed.... because I can't take another round of that.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Amishman
(5,555 posts)Manslaughter against all and murder two against the driver seems about right. True murder charges against all would be a waste of time as it will be extremely difficult to prove intent (especially with the blue wall of silence). In general I can't support prosecutors overreaching and adding charges which they know won't stand up, and I'm not going to change my mind on that just for this case.
For murder charges to stick, the prosecution will need to prove intent. For the driver that might be possible as his activities behind the wheel could offer insight. But for the rest I cannot see how it can be proven unless someone speaks out or slips up.
Manslaughter should be much easier to prove for the rest. It pretty much comes down to the question 'did your reckless actions directly result in the death of another?'. That should be pretty easy to prove based on information we already know.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)But the van stopped several times and Freddie begged for medical attention. They had to pick him up off the floor twice. If the van driver knew he was injured and continued the rough ride, yeah that's murder.
Amishman
(5,555 posts)Intent can be judged by his driving. We don't have a measurable indicator of intent from the others (though we can certainly guess).
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)For some, such injuries have been inflicted by what is known as a "rough ride" an "unsanctioned technique" in which police vans are driven to cause "injury or pain" to unbuckled, handcuffed detainees, former city police officer Charles J. Key testified as an expert five years ago in a lawsuit over Johnson's subsequent death.
As daily protests continue in the streets of Baltimore, authorities are trying to determine how Gray was injured, and their focus is on the 30-minute van ride that followed his arrest. "It's clear what happened, happened inside the van," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Monday at a news conference.
Christine Abbott, a 27-year-old assistant librarian at the Johns Hopkins University, is suing city officers in federal court, alleging that she got such a ride in 2012. According to the suit, officers cuffed Abbott's hands behind her back, threw her into a police van, left her unbuckled and "maniacally drove" her to the Northern District police station, "tossing [her] around the interior of the police van."
samsingh
(17,595 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)In all these cases, there has been systematic criminal behavior. There is more responsibility that needs to be taken.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)and equally culpable.