News for all the krauts, spics, wops, polacks, hunkies and frogs at DU.

[tabasco]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by seabeyond (a host of the General Discussion forum).

NEW STANDARD AT DU:

It's OK to use derogatory terms for ethnic groups/nationalities, as long as they're European:

"The Krauts are inciting some long-standing anti-German resentment in Greece..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=116059

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Krauts?

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue May 8, 2012, 02:07 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, this we don't need.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: If the term "Krauts" was good enough for "Hogan's Heroes", I think it's okay here. Kaleva
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The term Krauts made me cringe a bit so I assumed that was what the alert was about. I assume the poster will soon be called out on it, so let it stand.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. You should probably post this in H&M

[tabasco]

3. I want everyone to know. n/t

[cthulu2016]

10. So the rules don't apply to you...

... because you "want" something.

[oldhippie]

39. So it would appear.

nt

[Mosby]

54. personally I'm sick of shit being "hidden" in H and M

Fact is that the DU3 jury system sucks big time and needs more exposure than H and M provides.

[tabasco]

55. I don't know. Do they?

Alert away, bucko - alert away!

[hifiguy]

2. I'm a Kraut - more than 75%.

It don't bother me one bit.

[tabasco]

5. No, you're an American. n/t

[cynatnite]

9. My mother was married to a real bastard who used that name horribly towards me and my sister...

Our father and his mother immigrated from Germany not long after WWII. Our ex-stepfather used the word in the worst possible ways so I still get a knot in my stomach when I hear it. It bothers me a lot.

[tabasco]

6. Oh yeah!

How could I forget my ancestors?!

[OriginalGeek]

29. How conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient!

[XemaSab]

51. On behalf of all my Irish ancestors

I am offended that we were left out.

[Lionessa]

7. Geez, you mean those are all ethnic slurs?

I only ever heard one before i was informed today of another. What are the others? I've never even heard of them.

Sincerely, please answer, as I've got no idea. Oh, nevermind, I guess I'll go google them, at least I now have a list to google. Thank you.

Frog??? That one has me really perplexed.

[hifiguy]

8. "Frog" in this context means French.

I think that one started with the limeys.

[Lionessa]

11. Limeys??? WTF are Limey's. I'm going to guess the Greek because of olive skin?

Greenish cast and all?

[Cali_Democrat]

14. Limey is a derogatory term for somebody from England.

At least I'm pretty sure, but not 100% positive.

[Sea-Dog]

24. macaroni

[dionysus]

27. british sailors. they sucked on lime wedges at sea to prevent scurvy

[one_voice]

53. I knew who it referred to...

but not where it came from. I learn something new everyday.

I say limey beans.....

[hifiguy]

15. Englishmen. Especially sailors. British sailors took their rum

with lime juice so as not to fall victim to scurvy back in the days when Britannia ruled the waves. It's a holdover from the days of sailing ships - think "Master and Commander" or Lord Nelson.

[Lionessa]

17. So doing something smart became a derrogatory term??? WTF!!!!!

I don't understand humans, I give up. I must be a mutant of some sort.

[Maeve]

20. British navy gave their sailors limes to prevent scurvy--hence "limey" for Brit eom

[11 Bravo]

21. "Limeys" are Brits. (SHIT, I hope "Brits" is OK!)

The derivation stems from the liberal consumption of limes by British seamen, for the purpose of avoiding scurvy.

[OriginalGeek]

35. Roight-O

At least 'ey was librul, Guvnah!

[monmouth]

43. Dang, what about us "Micks???" n/t

[Nye Bevan]

50. Not sure who decides this, but apparently "Paki" (first four letters of Pakistan) is offensive,

while "Brit" (first four letters of Britain) is just fine.

[Lionessa]

13. Oh I get it, because they eat froglegs??? Am I right?

Wow, my ignorance really runs deep.

[Richard D]

19. Because many French people . . .

. . . have eyes that protrude a bit.

[Lionessa]

23. Really? Oh I like my guess better. It's just as ridiculous.

OMGoodness people are way screwed up in their willingness to be pitted against each other.

[LiberalLoner]

12. I think some of us have only ever heard those terms used affectionately -

Growing up, I had no idea these European ethnic slurs were even slurs at all. I thought they were just cute nicknames, honestly. I wonder if some people are like me, and haven't really be exposed to the knowledge that these terms are offensive rather than "cute?"

[dionysus]

31. really? find an italian person and call em a dago or whop, and see how that works out...

[jberryhill]

42. It's "wop"

The etymology, as far as I understand it is is "without papers". It was the original "illegal alien" slur.

[dionysus]

16. french people are called frogs.

edit; you'll find this slur in areas where french speaking canadians take vacations.

[Zalatix]

18. FUCK. Seriously?

[dionysus]

22. i find it funny that often "pure as the snow" DUers have no problem with ugly hatred, as long

as it's ugly hatred against people they deem fit to be hated.

when called out on it, the'll even double down on it...

[hifiguy]

33. Well, those of us of European descent really aren't

discriminated against much if at all these days. By modern standards, we're just white Americans for the most part. So the words generally do not have a lot of punch anymore. It's been a long time since the days of "Victory Cabbage" or "No Irish Need Apply."

[dionysus]

37. granted, it is very old school, but it had the same intent back then as contempory racial slurs do

today.

[stranger81]

25. NOT JUST if you're European

Here are the results from a jury I served on last night that voted to keep a post using the word "darkies":

At Tue May 8, 2012, 02:13 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

So you think that the white teachers in those schools are complicit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=657644

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

"darkies"????

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 8, 2012, 02:22 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: While using the term darkies is a bit rude I feel the question itself is allowable.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Due to the OP, I don't think it was intended as the alerter took it, but as a crude representation of a point in the article. Sometimes that crude in your face wording sort of open eyes a bit
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I think the term is used satirically to mock the slavery analogy in the OP. Maybe certain words shouldn't be said even in that context. Tough call, but I don't see racist intent in this post.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: This kind of language should be unacceptable here, no matter what kind of point the poster was trying to make. And the next sentence suggests it may not have been benign, either.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


I was juror No. 6, and outnumbered, unfortunately.

[tabasco]

46. Unbelievable.

Mob rule is creating a cesspool.

[On the Road]

26. Another Kraut Checking In

Just don't call me a Swabian, bro.

[jp11]

28. <sigh>

[Speck Tater]

30. Well is is certainly OK, and even applauded, when a poster uses derogatory names

Well is is certainly OK, and even applauded, when a poster uses derogatory names for political opponents. It's no wonder civil discourse is a thing of the past. (Yes, I know... you think "THEY did it first." justifies it.)

[Tx4obama]

32. So, you realise you've used SIX slurs in your subject line in order to call out one?

If I were you I'd delete the OP, then change the subject line if you post it in Meta.

But if I were you I wouldn't have posted it in the first place, you've used more slurs than what was in the comment you're discussing.

Also, folks that wish to discuss DU should post in the Help&Meta forum.

[Archae]

34. What would I be called?

Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Irish, German and Russian.

Tell you what, just use the word I use to describe myself.

"Mutt."

[jberryhill]

45. I thought "Dutch" WAS a slur

[guitar man]

36. Don't forget us Neds

Macs, Jockies or whatever the hell you call us Scots

[annabanana]

38. It has to do with power.

An ethnic slur against someone who's had all the advantages that being of that category entails does not have the sting that a similar slur against someone against whom the tables are stacked.

If you or your group are in NO POSITION to fight back that slur is especially hurtful.

[Nye Bevan]

40. MILF (= Mother I'd Like to Fuck) is apparently just fine too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=113281

[dana_b]

49. yes

but that's just about women so, you know, that's acceptable.

[sufrommich]

41. You're also allowed to blame women for not being

assertive enough if they weren't treated as equals to men in the years before the women's liberation movement. Those women just weren't bootstrappy enough.

[spanone]

44. t3

[Brickbat]

47. Bohunk checking in!

[libodem]

48. Hope nobody uses

Yankee to describe Americans. My niece is living in Mississippi. That is OFFENSIVE to folks in the south.

[Nye Bevan]

52. I believe Bostonians also take offense to that (nt)

[seabeyond]

56. this belongs in meta. locking. nt