how long before we get bombarded on DU and the media that Sanders is unelectable?

[Suji to Seoul]

remember, he's a liberal. but sociopathic wing nuts like cruz and paul are completely electable according to our "liberal" media.

i give it a week, and that's being generous.

[morningfog]

1. It's already happening here.

It is hilarious. Bernie's positions are impeccably liberal, intelligent and consistent. He's clean. So what do they have? He's UNELECTABLE!!!

And they will work their damnedest to make that true. Nearly every positive post has in it's responses that Bernie is unelectable.

[hifiguy]

39. Indeed. There was an immediate burst of it.

All yez need to do is look around DU.

[djean111]

2. Oh, it started for a bit here at DU. Died down a bit, now.

I wouldn't keep bringing it up, but that's just me.

[treestar]

3. you mean you can't face it?

you don't want to deal with the likelihood he's not going to win?

[morningfog]

7. He is more electable in the general than Hillary.

If he can just pull off a victory in one of the first three primary states, all bets are off.

[global1]

15. Didn't They Say The Same Thing About Obama Back When He Faced Hillary?....nt

[treestar]

17. Different situations can cause different opinions

Doesn't mean everyone of whom it is said is going to win though.

[LawnKorn]

4. Bernie Sanders is unelectable

We better not let our ideology trump our politics; there is too much at stake to risk having a Republican as President.

Think :[font size=5] SUPREME COURT NOMINATIONS [/font]

The Republicans in the news like Cruz and Rand are unelectable. They are the expendable attack dogs sent out to find weakness in our campaigns. The object of people like Cruz is to force us into positions we would prefer not to defend.

Sure Bernie is closer to the 'best' progressive we have, but we need to win. Right now, between Hillary and Bernie, Hillary wins.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. If he can beat Hillary in the primary, then Hillary is unelectable. nt

[morningfog]

9. Hillary is, thus far, proven to be unelectable

in national contests. She's 0 for 1.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. Nothing like picking a known loser to try and win again.

I wonder what percentage of former Presidents had previously run for and lost the Presidency before winning it? I'm going to guess it's a very small percent, and if it's greater than 0 is composed of people right at the very beginning, back in Founding Father days.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. Reagan, Nixon.

Though some think Reagan is a Founding Father.

Coolidge. Lincoln

There are a few others.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

23. That's more than I expected, and certainly much more recent than I expected. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. Nixon was even spanked and lost the 1962 California Governor race AFTER he was VP.

He then proceeded to make his bizarre paranoid "you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore"

That speech was supposed to be the end of his political career. Too bad it wasn't because it was obvious there was something not right about the dude.

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. Nixon

lost in 1960, won in 1968.

Reagan lost a bitter primary fight in 1976.

Bush senior lost a primary fight against Reagan in 1980.

[Art_from_Ark]

41. Lincoln won the presidency the first time he sought it

However, he did lose in his attempt to become a vice presidential candidate in 1856.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1856_Republican_National_Convention

[treestar]

18. We don't know for sure she would not have beaten McCain.

[morningfog]

26. Lol! We know for sure she lost to Obama.

[treestar]

28. The measure you are using would be could she have beaten McCain

Losing to Obama doesn't mean it automatically follows she loses to Bernie. Or that she would have lost to McCain.

[morningfog]

46. No, the measure is that she had this far

Been unelectable.

[JaneyVee]

30. Wow, she lost to probably the greatest campaigner in US history?

[Motown_Johnny]

12. Wait for the debates before going there

I am betting Sen. Sanders is going to make one hell of an impression on that stage.

He has had a consistent message for decades. Sec. Clinton has switched positions on so many issues so often that it is going to be hard to come off as credible.

Calling Bernie unelectable at this point is premature, at best.

[global1]

16. That's If The MSM & Comedians Haven't Tarnished Bernie So That The People....

tune out listening to him because they think he's a joke.

He speaks truth to power - they are out to minimize him before he really gets started - yet they weigh on every word that is spoken from the clowns in the clown car.

[Motown_Johnny]

37. Because Hillary is immune from that kind of thing?

Or all the occupants of the clown car?

[global1]

42. Hillary And Most All The Clowns In The Clown Car Have Been On The National Scene....

for a long time. Bernie to most People (not here on DU) is relatively unknown.

I stand by what I said - they are trying to minimize Bernie before he even has a chance to state his beliefs and platform. I'm thinking that they are doing it because most everything he stands for and says would resonate with voters. If they can discredit him in some way so that the People won't even give him the time of day and tune him out - they win.

Granted the People of Vermont know him. People that listen to Thom Hartman know him. And the People that listen to Ed Schultz - because he's on Ed's program quite frequently - know him.

But the rank and file voter that doesn't listen to these shows - gets most of their info from people like Letterman, Fallon, Kimmel, etc. If they make fun of Bernie - how do you think these People will perceive him?

[Caretha]

24. Plus it's HER turn, damn it!

Don't forget to stomp your foot & hold your breath...

[Cleita]

35. So you think settling for a corporate ass licker will get you the Supremes

you want? I find that a strange logic.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. We've been bombarded with it here ever since his name was first mentioned as a possibility.

Hell, Jon Stewart basically wrote him off as soon as he announced, making jokes about him as some old guy without a comb and no name recognition.

[madokie]

8. Its already happening here

To be honest it was going on long before he even announced he was running.

[Itchinjim]

11. As much as a like Bernie, and as much as would like him as president...

The sad fact is that Bernie is unelectable.

[Suji to Seoul]

14. Yet the more reactionary a candidate is, the more the media will portray them as electable

Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and that odious Jebber. . .all electable. So is bully Christie and douchey Walker.

I never understood why reactionary assholes that are tools of the 1% are electable, but people like Bernie are not.

We need to make him electable!

[struggle4progress]

13. The corporate media will cover the campaign as a horse-race, start to finish,

so that's pretty much all you'll hear: there won't be much coverage of policy

Bills Darlin ahead by two lengths in the openin stretch! Burlington Social gainin at the first curve ...

There will be some human-interest commentary

Should Sanders trim his eyebrows? History of Hillary's Hairstyles!

and the usual campaign-scandal stories

Bernie's broccoli question frightens waitress! Clinton garbles sentence in 2AM interview!

[treestar]

19. lol you're on a roll today

and probably right.

[sufrommich]

20. I don't see anything conspiratorial about discussing

people's opinions about who isn't and is electable during a presidential primary on a political discussion forum.Seems pretty standard to me.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. Sanders is unelectable, Clinton is unelectable

These are constant topics of conversation on DU. Dissing Democrats, isn't that what DU has become?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

25. That's primary talk.

You get the same during every primary on every political blog, because that's when supporters of any given candidate are trying to achieve an outcome in which more votes are cast for their candidate than for the other candidates. During the general, those who don't care for a given candidate will either keep quiet or get booted.

[MuseRider]

27. Don't take the bait!

It is stupid. Anyone is electable if we vote for them (not taking machine tampering into consideration). Don't even respond it is just a dumb comment. Even the craziest choice can be electable or close enough to steal (GWB).

Work for him and vote for him.

No need to respond to stupid.

[Suji to Seoul]

29. I support Bernie, I will do everything I can to get him elected.

I'm just tired of hearing how unelectable he is and how electable people like Paul and Cruz are.

[MuseRider]

33. Of course you will so don't

let the little stuff upset you.

This is not going to be easy or fun, it never is so just let the stupid slide. Get really good at rolling your eyes and just let it go. Come back with something he is rabid about that would fly with anyone with 2 brain cells that connect and respond with that.

Just a tidbit because I know how hard this is.

[KittyWampus]

31. So suddenly the topic of "electability" is off the table now Sanders is in the race? REALLY?

good golly, the amount of straw men set up and the extent of the persecution complex among Sanders supporters here is unbelievable and now we can add blatant hypocrisy.

I guess when you've spent years attacking Obama for anything and everything you start projecting your own hostility onto others.

[brooklynite]

32. How long before we get an explanation of how he IS electable?

I've been asking for months, and nobody has explained it to me.

Sanders is from one of the most liberal States in the Country. The Republicans in Vermont are not the Republicans in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, or Florida.

How does Bernie Sanders campaign nationally and with the 270 EV he'll need?

[Gothmog]

48. I have yet to see an explanation that does not involve the Democratic Blue Wall being magic

The best that I have seen is a weak explanation that due to the Democratic advantage in the electoral college, any Democrat will win in 2016. I am very familiar with the Democratic Blue Wall and the analysis behind that grouping. In each of the races where the Democrats have won states behind the blue wall, we had a competitive candidate who either spent more than the GOP candidate (Obama in 2008) or a similar amount as the GOP candidate (Gore 2000, Kerry 2004 and Obama 2012). The swing states were blue because the Democratic candidate was viable and could match the funding of the GOP candidate.

Very few of these states behind the Democratic blue wall are locks so that anyone with a D behind their name are assured of winning. In each of the elections where the blue wall came into play, we have well financed candidates who were otherwise viable. Sanders will need to raise over a billion dollars to be competitive given that the GOP will spend at least that and the Koch Brothers are spending $889 million.

Right now several of the states in the list of blue states have GOP governors and so a democratic victory in these states is not a lock. The Democratic blue wall is not magic and even now Nate Silvers rates Hillary Clinton as being 50/50 in winning in 2016 even given her funding advantage. If we run someone who can not compete with the GOP candidate, the blue wall will not save that candidate

[Gman]

34. He largely is unelectable

But after 2008, I'm more cautious about saying that.

[LWolf]

38. It started here last weekend. nt

[rock]

43. How about withdrawing from the race?

Na, that would be stupid. How about we do nothing? Just exactly what problem are we supposed to be solving? Let them rant. Is anybody really convinced by such an attack?

[Lancero]

44. It's going to happen yesterday.

Already we have people here who are saying Bernie supporters are fools who are going to help put Republicans into office.

[LordGlenconner]

45. It's okay to drop the persecution fantasy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

[Gothmog]

47. Electability is an issue in a primary

I personally like Sanders and most if not all of his positions. I also want to win in 2016 and I will support the strongest candidate who can win. I am not convinced that Bernie is viable in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $889 million and the RNC candidate will be spending a billion dollars