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These anti-war protests on college campuses - this is what we do, what we HAVE to do - to mobilize against the agressors!
Echoes of today.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Protesting didn't end the war. Just as it didn't stop Iraq. There's a simple reason.
if the people who wanted war cared what all the many multitudes of people who don't want war thought, we wouldn't ever go to war. Seriously the only people in the world who actually like war are the class of people who not only don't have to fight it, but also make a profit from it. And the rest of the world outnumbers them by at least 50 million to one.
They don't care about our signs and songs nad puppet shows and snarky T-shirts. They are an unreasonable class of people who make gains from mass murder, and you think a drum circle on the statehouse green will make them reconsider? Maybe. But probably not.
So, up against a system that ignores protest utterly, the question is, "then what," after hte protest is over and everyone's ll satisfied with themselves, what is actually done to change it? Go home and wait a few years to vote and hope a better politician wins, who can start a trend towards tilting the house towards a better position i nthe next 20 years? doesn't much help the people being blown apart right now, does it?
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)routed not shown how to love. We have no choice but to try to elect nicer people who will change this stuff. It is true it doesn't help people now.
valerief
(53,235 posts)join the military when they could sell drugs. I mean, which path leads to a worse outcome in the big picture?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Getting killed by assholes in a police uniform, or getting killed by assholes in whatever outfits they were in Warziristan?
valerief
(53,235 posts)the drug being sold, it could ruin some lives, but WAR ruins EVERYONE'S lives.
Of course, real jobs would be best for everyone--everyone except the WAR profiteers who run this empire.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)thought the 4 students shot at Kent State deserved to be shot. Also that pro Nixon pro war rally in NYC that had 100,000 people in attendance was a sad thing to see.
it was a good documentary, I will eventually add it to my documentary collection.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)Kent State. But when MLK was assassinated, I was only 12 years old. I asked my mother who he was.
She said 'just some trouble maker'. Now, my mother was never a racist. She grew up in DC in an integrated
neighborhood in the 30s and 40s. But what my mother was/is (born in 1928), was a person extremely
sensitive to doing what was polite and proper in society for the norms for her time. And one of those
norms was that whatever an 'authority' told you, you were to take it as gospel and obey, period.
Fortunately she sent me to a Catholic School in the 60s, and the nuns taught us a quite different perspective.
One of them put it this way, sort of a twist on 'if everyone else jumps off the bridge, are you going to jump too?"
The nun said to my class, "Why would you want to follow other people's leads? You realize most of the world
is going to hell. Why go with them?" and then also applied the logic a step further by asking us why would
we care what anyone else thought of us, since they are likely going to hell anyway. She made the class
laugh.... and think. Helped to form my life's path. Those nuns were good women. (My 7th grade science
teacher, a nun, told me that of course there was evolution, did someone say God could not have chosen
to create the world in this fashion?)
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)catholic schools back in the day had good reputations from what I remember!
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)Catholics to be deeply principled. maybe they had an education like yours.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)living a life of service to God and to man. All mankind. Every single day it was demonstrated to us how happy and fulfilling and right and God-like that was, to live a life with the underlying principle that we are all here to love each other. That every single human being has a special unique gift for the world that God chose for that and every person, and that joy comes from sharing that gift. And then, of course, recognizing the gifts (values, worth) of others.
So something far more precious than 'to those to whom much is given, much is expected in return'... rather, everyone has that same purpose.
And it wasn't a duty, a chore, a requirement, a task, an assignment...it was simply the way to real happiness, peace, joy. I never saw a Sister of Notre Dame who didn't just radiate happiness and peace. Oh sure, they could let into a student who got off track....and that happened very rarely.... but that never so much as caused a ripple in the peace they radiated.
ellenrr
(3,864 posts)there is a character, Sister Monica Jones, older woman,
who at times appeared that she was in cognitive decline, but in the new series they appear to be rehabilitating her.
she has become just about my favorite, wise, compassionate, TV character.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)From March to June our TV time gets crammed with basketball, basketball, and more basketball.
MBS
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Smart,forward-looking women, excellent education. And ALL of them embraced science and evolution. (Since a lot of people seem not to understand this, I have to add that, at least in the last 75 years, this also has been the consistent official policy of the Catholic Church,too).
My own parents and their friends were somewhat like your mom. All of them were liberal Democrats in Berkeley, strong supporters of FDR, Stevenson, Kennedy, unions, racial and social justice, right down the line: but they were deeply uncomfortable with the social chaos,drugs, and riots in 1960's Berkeley . They still voted for Democrats (they at least didn't turn into "Reagan Democrats", thank goodness, and, having fought the McCarthy witch hunts in the 1950's, they had already learned to be skeptical about many "authorities" , and they were enthusiastically supportive of the racial, social and environmental progress, and educational and artistic innovation that came in the 60's -- but they hated the drugs and the chaos and, above all, the loss of civil courtesies.
My parents and their friends ultimately embraced the changes (even while still hating the drug culture and the loss of the ability of people to write thank-you notes). But I can so easily see how people more fearful and less open to change than my parents and their friends could turn to social conservatism out of fear or revulsion against the 60's (thus, the birth of "Reagan Democrats" and much of the @#$ that still plagues us today).
Omaha Steve
(99,556 posts)Then show was very well done.
Four the four.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)by Nixon's foray out to the protestors after we entered Cambodia. Not sure what it meant.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)in the Oliver Stone movie "Nixon". very bizarre.
cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)Or was he high? I didn't know what to make of it. Didn't see any context - was it a one-off?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Having listened to his speechs, the WH tapes, and his interview with Cavett I think Nixon saw himself as deeply misunderstood.
I think his Quaker up-bring helped him sign the NEPA.
cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)Common excuse: we'll stop the violence by committing more violence.
All the way back to Hiroshima/Nagasaki and before.
So misguided. So lacking in imagination.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I should rewatch that movie. it's been since it was first out in the theaters in the 90's.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)What I could take watching.
It was just too heartbreaking to watch the whole thing.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)them all being knocked down today. That is one of the underlying things I am most sad about.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)Last edited Sun May 3, 2015, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)
I hadn't noticed anything about this program -will have to look for it (one good thing about PBS- they often repeat things, and have increasingly put things online for free).
(update: I've now watched this, and it's terrific. Thanks again)
raccoon
(31,106 posts)That day still stands out in my mind, and I guess it always will.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Here's a link, which takes you to full episode, and links to program website:
http://video.pbs.org/program/day-60s-died/
Direct link to full episode:
http://video.pbs.org/video/2365467347/
cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)I live out in the countryside, so we can't watch stuff online. Frustrating. We have satellite TV/internet, and there is a limit to how much bandwidth, viewing time, we get. It's our only choice. Worth the trade off to live out here, in any case!
spanone
(135,802 posts)struggle4progress
(118,268 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)I had forgotten the exact sequence of events. I grew up about 60 miles from Kent State, and when the shooting happened it seemed like a local event. I was in my senior year of high school. I later visited the campus; the spot where the shootings happened is quite undramatic.
I also didn't realize that the band Devo came out of Kent State in that era. I had no idea they were even from Ohio.
cilla4progress
(24,723 posts)so don't recall specifics.
From what I saw on the program, it looked the Guard was totally the agressor, as the shootings unfolded. That is, at that point, the students were in complete retreat. Prior to that, they had been returning tear gas shells.
Is that what you saw?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Some things never change.