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Who watched "The Day the 60s Died" on PBS? (Original Post) cilla4progress May 2015 OP
One snag... Scootaloo May 2015 #1
That's right it is about the interests of a certain class of American that has to be politically betterdemsonly May 2015 #22
I don't know why unemployed young people who have no hope of getting a job valerief May 2015 #28
Depends, which is worse? Scootaloo May 2015 #30
Well, what are the risks of getting killed/maimed in each scenario? Also, depending on valerief May 2015 #31
I thought it was sad that 58% of people polled at the time m-lekktor May 2015 #2
I bet my mother might have been one of those. I never directly spoke to her about DebJ May 2015 #4
excellent post! m-lekktor May 2015 #6
thanks for that perspective on Catholic School...I've always found some ellenrr May 2015 #7
A strong underlying principle, that we saw rather than heard about, was DebJ May 2015 #15
Do you ever watch Call the Midwives? ellenrr May 2015 #19
No we don't, but my sister recommended it. DebJ May 2015 #32
I had those nuns, too MBS May 2015 #10
Marta and I did too Omaha Steve May 2015 #9
it was a good one! I learned things. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #13
I was shocked cilla4progress May 2015 #3
I knew about that incident because it was portrayed m-lekktor May 2015 #5
Did it show a different side of him? cilla4progress May 2015 #16
Nixon was raised as a Quaker. I suspect he really believed he was pro-peace and anti-war HereSince1628 May 2015 #21
Could be. cilla4progress May 2015 #26
I don't remember to be honest. m-lekktor May 2015 #29
I saw most of it on Thursday night. Major Hogwash May 2015 #8
A lot of things about that era are heart breaking. We worked so hard to change things and we see jwirr May 2015 #18
Yes and yes! leftofcool May 2015 #27
Thanks for alerting us MBS May 2015 #11
Thanks for the heads up. Don't have TV but will see if I can watch it on computer. raccoon May 2015 #12
You can watch it online: MBS May 2015 #14
Cool! Thanks for posting! cilla4progress May 2015 #17
been watching it die since the 60's spanone May 2015 #20
Just watched online. What a terrible time that was: all of my beliefs finally disintegrated struggle4progress May 2015 #23
I watched part of it, and it was very good. kwassa May 2015 #24
I was about 15 y.o. at the time, cilla4progress May 2015 #25
Kicked and recommended. Major Hogwash May 2015 #33
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. One snag...
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:42 AM
May 2015

Protesting didn't end the war. Just as it didn't stop Iraq. There's a simple reason.

if the people who wanted war cared what all the many multitudes of people who don't want war thought, we wouldn't ever go to war. Seriously the only people in the world who actually like war are the class of people who not only don't have to fight it, but also make a profit from it. And the rest of the world outnumbers them by at least 50 million to one.

They don't care about our signs and songs nad puppet shows and snarky T-shirts. They are an unreasonable class of people who make gains from mass murder, and you think a drum circle on the statehouse green will make them reconsider? Maybe. But probably not.

So, up against a system that ignores protest utterly, the question is, "then what," after hte protest is over and everyone's ll satisfied with themselves, what is actually done to change it? Go home and wait a few years to vote and hope a better politician wins, who can start a trend towards tilting the house towards a better position i nthe next 20 years? doesn't much help the people being blown apart right now, does it?

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
22. That's right it is about the interests of a certain class of American that has to be politically
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

routed not shown how to love. We have no choice but to try to elect nicer people who will change this stuff. It is true it doesn't help people now.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
28. I don't know why unemployed young people who have no hope of getting a job
Sun May 3, 2015, 03:05 PM
May 2015

join the military when they could sell drugs. I mean, which path leads to a worse outcome in the big picture?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
30. Depends, which is worse?
Sun May 3, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

Getting killed by assholes in a police uniform, or getting killed by assholes in whatever outfits they were in Warziristan?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
31. Well, what are the risks of getting killed/maimed in each scenario? Also, depending on
Sun May 3, 2015, 03:49 PM
May 2015

the drug being sold, it could ruin some lives, but WAR ruins EVERYONE'S lives.

Of course, real jobs would be best for everyone--everyone except the WAR profiteers who run this empire.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
2. I thought it was sad that 58% of people polled at the time
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:46 AM
May 2015

thought the 4 students shot at Kent State deserved to be shot. Also that pro Nixon pro war rally in NYC that had 100,000 people in attendance was a sad thing to see.

it was a good documentary, I will eventually add it to my documentary collection.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
4. I bet my mother might have been one of those. I never directly spoke to her about
Sun May 3, 2015, 01:36 AM
May 2015

Kent State. But when MLK was assassinated, I was only 12 years old. I asked my mother who he was.
She said 'just some trouble maker'. Now, my mother was never a racist. She grew up in DC in an integrated
neighborhood in the 30s and 40s. But what my mother was/is (born in 1928), was a person extremely
sensitive to doing what was polite and proper in society for the norms for her time. And one of those
norms was that whatever an 'authority' told you, you were to take it as gospel and obey, period.

Fortunately she sent me to a Catholic School in the 60s, and the nuns taught us a quite different perspective.
One of them put it this way, sort of a twist on 'if everyone else jumps off the bridge, are you going to jump too?"
The nun said to my class, "Why would you want to follow other people's leads? You realize most of the world
is going to hell. Why go with them?" and then also applied the logic a step further by asking us why would
we care what anyone else thought of us, since they are likely going to hell anyway. She made the class
laugh.... and think. Helped to form my life's path. Those nuns were good women. (My 7th grade science
teacher, a nun, told me that of course there was evolution, did someone say God could not have chosen
to create the world in this fashion?)

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
7. thanks for that perspective on Catholic School...I've always found some
Sun May 3, 2015, 06:00 AM
May 2015

Catholics to be deeply principled. maybe they had an education like yours.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
15. A strong underlying principle, that we saw rather than heard about, was
Sun May 3, 2015, 11:49 AM
May 2015

living a life of service to God and to man. All mankind. Every single day it was demonstrated to us how happy and fulfilling and right and God-like that was, to live a life with the underlying principle that we are all here to love each other. That every single human being has a special unique gift for the world that God chose for that and every person, and that joy comes from sharing that gift. And then, of course, recognizing the gifts (values, worth) of others.

So something far more precious than 'to those to whom much is given, much is expected in return'... rather, everyone has that same purpose.

And it wasn't a duty, a chore, a requirement, a task, an assignment...it was simply the way to real happiness, peace, joy. I never saw a Sister of Notre Dame who didn't just radiate happiness and peace. Oh sure, they could let into a student who got off track....and that happened very rarely.... but that never so much as caused a ripple in the peace they radiated.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
19. Do you ever watch Call the Midwives?
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

there is a character, Sister Monica Jones, older woman,
who at times appeared that she was in cognitive decline, but in the new series they appear to be rehabilitating her.
she has become just about my favorite, wise, compassionate, TV character.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
32. No we don't, but my sister recommended it.
Mon May 4, 2015, 07:24 AM
May 2015

From March to June our TV time gets crammed with basketball, basketball, and more basketball.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
10. I had those nuns, too
Sun May 3, 2015, 06:50 AM
May 2015

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Smart,forward-looking women, excellent education. And ALL of them embraced science and evolution. (Since a lot of people seem not to understand this, I have to add that, at least in the last 75 years, this also has been the consistent official policy of the Catholic Church,too).

My own parents and their friends were somewhat like your mom. All of them were liberal Democrats in Berkeley, strong supporters of FDR, Stevenson, Kennedy, unions, racial and social justice, right down the line: but they were deeply uncomfortable with the social chaos,drugs, and riots in 1960's Berkeley . They still voted for Democrats (they at least didn't turn into "Reagan Democrats", thank goodness, and, having fought the McCarthy witch hunts in the 1950's, they had already learned to be skeptical about many "authorities&quot , and they were enthusiastically supportive of the racial, social and environmental progress, and educational and artistic innovation that came in the 60's -- but they hated the drugs and the chaos and, above all, the loss of civil courtesies.

My parents and their friends ultimately embraced the changes (even while still hating the drug culture and the loss of the ability of people to write thank-you notes). But I can so easily see how people more fearful and less open to change than my parents and their friends could turn to social conservatism out of fear or revulsion against the 60's (thus, the birth of "Reagan Democrats" and much of the @#$ that still plagues us today).

cilla4progress

(24,723 posts)
16. Did it show a different side of him?
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

Or was he high? I didn't know what to make of it. Didn't see any context - was it a one-off?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
21. Nixon was raised as a Quaker. I suspect he really believed he was pro-peace and anti-war
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:21 PM
May 2015

Having listened to his speechs, the WH tapes, and his interview with Cavett I think Nixon saw himself as deeply misunderstood.

I think his Quaker up-bring helped him sign the NEPA.

cilla4progress

(24,723 posts)
26. Could be.
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:58 PM
May 2015

Common excuse: we'll stop the violence by committing more violence.

All the way back to Hiroshima/Nagasaki and before.

So misguided. So lacking in imagination.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
29. I don't remember to be honest.
Sun May 3, 2015, 03:16 PM
May 2015

I should rewatch that movie. it's been since it was first out in the theaters in the 90's.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
8. I saw most of it on Thursday night.
Sun May 3, 2015, 06:08 AM
May 2015

What I could take watching.
It was just too heartbreaking to watch the whole thing.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. A lot of things about that era are heart breaking. We worked so hard to change things and we see
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

them all being knocked down today. That is one of the underlying things I am most sad about.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
11. Thanks for alerting us
Sun May 3, 2015, 06:52 AM
May 2015

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I hadn't noticed anything about this program -will have to look for it (one good thing about PBS- they often repeat things, and have increasingly put things online for free).

(update: I've now watched this, and it's terrific. Thanks again)

raccoon

(31,106 posts)
12. Thanks for the heads up. Don't have TV but will see if I can watch it on computer.
Sun May 3, 2015, 06:53 AM
May 2015

That day still stands out in my mind, and I guess it always will.

cilla4progress

(24,723 posts)
17. Cool! Thanks for posting!
Sun May 3, 2015, 12:25 PM
May 2015

I live out in the countryside, so we can't watch stuff online. Frustrating. We have satellite TV/internet, and there is a limit to how much bandwidth, viewing time, we get. It's our only choice. Worth the trade off to live out here, in any case!

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
24. I watched part of it, and it was very good.
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:53 PM
May 2015

I had forgotten the exact sequence of events. I grew up about 60 miles from Kent State, and when the shooting happened it seemed like a local event. I was in my senior year of high school. I later visited the campus; the spot where the shootings happened is quite undramatic.

I also didn't realize that the band Devo came out of Kent State in that era. I had no idea they were even from Ohio.

cilla4progress

(24,723 posts)
25. I was about 15 y.o. at the time,
Sun May 3, 2015, 02:57 PM
May 2015

so don't recall specifics.

From what I saw on the program, it looked the Guard was totally the agressor, as the shootings unfolded. That is, at that point, the students were in complete retreat. Prior to that, they had been returning tear gas shells.

Is that what you saw?

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