The Audience were the Big Losers of Mayweather Pacquiao Fight

[FreakinDJ]

Mayweather proves once again "Its all about the Money"

I'll never pay money to see him fight again

[chillfactor]

1. so i take it Mayweather won..n/t

[Backwoodsrider]

2. you just going to lob a turd of a post

or are you going to fill us in on the fight since you paid for it?

[FreakinDJ]

5. Mayweather back peddeled the entire fight

but he won by decision

With all the hype I was hoping for some thing along the lines of Ali vs Frazer

Mayweather was visibly scared of Manny's speed

[JI7]

7. the type was probably to get you to pay to watch

[FreakinDJ]

9. I do respect Mayweather's ability to make money

He's Smart - very Smart - and that is how he fought the fight tonight.

He saw Manny's speed and "BACKED THE FUCK UP"

[JI7]

15. but why are others so into it that they pay so much to watch it ?

[FreakinDJ]

16. My wife is Filippino - it comes with the territory

[Backwoodsrider]

44. yeah they both are pretty smart

Both their camps had their eyes on the brass rings that's for sure. They both won on this one because the actual winner of the fight wasn't important but that's where we are today with the almighty dollar. wonder if Mayweather is going to retire undefeated now?

[Electric Monk]

21. I totally called it this afternoon. You can notice the time stamp on my post :)

Fight? I predict Mayweather just runs away all night, then laughs all the way to the bank. nt

[Travis_0004]

24. Mayweather is a counter puncher

That has been his stragety his entire career. Maybe not so much the backpedaling but not making the first move.

Yes, an outfigher (ali) is often more interesting than a counter puncher.

I wanted Pacquiao to win as well, but Mayweathers job was to win the fight, not put on a good show.

[Jesus Malverde]

35. He tired manny out by the seventh or eighth

[pscot]

84. Stragety is usually spelt with a 'd'.

[brush]

30. You're apparently a Pac fan because your sour grapes are showing

Mayweather controlled the action and completely outsmarted Pacman.

He in no way scared of Pac's speed, in fact, he was visibly faster. Even the announcers mention that very thing.

He won at least 8 out of 12 rounds and took Pac out of his game. Pac couldn't rush and lung and catch the opponent like usual because Mayweather was was to elusive and fast for his typical moves.

Pac was frustrated at not being able to connect with his flurries like with other fighters.

He won four rounds but found out what it was to fight the top boxer in his class.

Mayweather won easily 118 to 110.

[11 Bravo]

41. Yet Floyd threw more punches, landed more punches, and ...

landed a higher percentage of his punches.

[JI7]

3. the audience wasn't forced to watch

why are people so into it ?

[ronnie624]

23. People love to watch gratuitous violence, for some reason.

That might say something about the direction of our society and our culture, and why we are heading there. It's probably not a very useful characteristic for an advanced civilization.

[BreakfastClub]

42. People have always loved to watch

gratuitous violence. People have been lining up to see others thrown to the lions, hanged, tortured, strung up on posts, and burned at the stake since society began. I don't get it. I do everything I can to avoid seeing anything violent, but there is a large percentage of people who relish it and will apparently even pay huge amounts of money to see it. It may be some sort of innate thing in many (but certainly not all) human beings. I hope it's just a side-effect of civilization, but I worry it could be a natural part of being human.

When I see a boxing match, all I think about is the fact that they are getting traumatic brain injuries and then I feel sympathy pain from seeing their swollen painful faces. It's horrible.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Whenever a Manny's involved

the audience is guaranteed to lose.

[Hoyt]

10. +1.. :)

[Jesus Malverde]

36. DUZY..,

[edhopper]

47. You ain't kidding

I've seen posts here from certain Mannys that are so ridiculous and stupid that....


Oh wait, um... oops, nevermind.

[okaawhatever]

58. +100 nt

[Hoyt]

6. Pretty much did same after Robert "No Mas" Duran fight. But the Ali, Fraser and Forman fights

were worth every penny, including going to closed circuit arenas.

If it turns out to be that good of a fight, I can watch replay. Not that big into boxing these days, anyway.

[FreakinDJ]

13. I don't think most of the audience even remember those fights

[Hoyt]

18. Yep.. I'm old. Let me tell you about Jack Johnson.

[stevenleser]

7. When a boxer outboxes a puncher who hasn't figured out how to reach him it looks like that.

Lots of Pernell Whitaker's fights looked like that.

I agree, not an exciting match to watch, but that's what happens if a boxer thoroughly outboxes a puncher.

Manny wasn't nearly as aggressive as he should have been. He could have made it closer or even won if he had fought the way Duran fought in his first fight against Leonard.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. SPOILER ALERT

Mayweather dominated the fight the same way he dominates every one of his fights: with superior boxing defense and counterpunching abilities. Manny did not look like a world class boxer against him. He looked like somebody flailing badly. That's because Mayweather is the superior boxer. He is undoubtedly the best boxer of his generation, and in the top 10 of all time. And people can complain that he "runs" or whatever, but that's because people want to see slugfests. Believe me, they're nice, I like them.

Ironically, though, Mayweather exposes the audience as much as he exposes his opponents.

Every time Mayweather wins, he's basically saying "You don't actually like boxing. You like street fights. I have a particular skill: I'm a boxer. Put a street fighter against me, and watch how they can't hit me. Watch how they flail and flail. I'm a boxer."

And he's right.

It wasn't even close. Unanimous decision, with Mayweather really winning 9 or 10 of the 12 rounds.

[FreakinDJ]

14. Mayweather was visably scared of Manny's speed

It showed to everyone who watched

Including his father who was in Floyd's corner

I wouldn't say Mayweather was that much better of a Boxer as was Taller, had 4" additional reach - and yes he is a good boxer

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. That's some consolation prize for Manny, who won perhaps 2 rounds of 12

Mayweather "looked" scared. Lawd. Manny barely put leather on him.



Mayweather is a better fighter than Manny Pacquiao. That was proved tonight without question.

Do you think Manny came close to winning that fight? I mean, honestly. I'm not even biased here - I wasn't on either "team." Mayweather outboxed Pac, and flat out beat him.

It wasn't close.

[FreakinDJ]

71. Mayweather couldn't knock him out so he took the Coward's Way Out

Calls em likes I sees em

BTW: its all over the internet today

[alcibiades_mystery]

82. Manny couldn't knock Mayweather out either. He kept swinging and missing

Off-balance, frustrated, no concerted attack, flustered and confused.

Was Mayweather using a new strategy? No. Everyone in the world knows he is a defensive boxer and a counter-puncher. Manny has known that for years. He utterly failed to solve the puzzle. Many of Mayweather's previous opponents fought him more effectively than Manny Pacquiao. Manny gave up by the 10th round. He didn't even make a good show of trying to knock Mayweather out in the 11th and 12th, though he surely knew he was well behind in the cards.

Like I said, it wasn't even close. Manny tried, and failed rather miserably.

[Travis_0004]

25. It doesnt matter who is taller and who has more reach

What matters is who is the best boxer under 147 lbs that night.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Joe Frazier had a one foot reach disadvantage against Muhammad Ali and still managed to...

Joe Frazier had a one foot reach disadvantage against Muhammad Ali and still managed to win one of their three fights.


The three main criterions for judging a boxing match are ring generalship, effective aggression, and defense...Mayweather won in all three categories. Simply put Manny fought Money's fight...Every time Manny began to mount an offense Money either slithered away or tied him up.

My heart was with Manny but my head was with Money and just as in other aspects of life the head always wins.

[stevenleser]

20. I basically live-blogged it on FB and had it scored the same as two of the judges, 116-112

Eight rounds for Mayweather and 4 for Pacquiao.

I agree about your analysis about technique and the audience. That's how you are supposed to box.

Every time Mayweather wins, he's basically saying "You don't actually like boxing. You like street fights. I have a particular skill: I'm a boxer. Put a street fighter against me, and watch how they can't hit me. Watch how they flail and flail. I'm a boxer."

You are not supposed to stand in front of the other person and let them slug you.

[joshcryer]

31. A street fight would go down more like MMA.

I'd like to see Mayweather do MMA and use those tactics.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. No doubt

I was using "street fight" within the context of boxing. You're certainly right that most actual street fights "go to ground" as they say.

[Dwayne Hicks]

34. Oh please

So running away and throwing inconsequential jabs the entire fight is now considered "genius". No wonder boxing is hanging on by a thread.

[alcibiades_mystery]

51. There's no doubt MMA benefits from people wanting to see street fights rather than boxing

You're right about that.

Both fighters were given the same rules last night. Both fighters have been operating under those rules since they started the sport 20-25 years ago. Mayweather is the better fighter given those rules. That much was obvious. Hell, by the 10th round, Pacquiao was so whipped and flummoxed that Mayweather started going on the offense against him. By the 12th round, he looked worse than many of Mayweather's other opponents, not the great hope for putting Mayweather down.

No judge gave Pac more than 4 rounds. Most observers probably consider that generous. I gave him 3, but leaned toward 2.

Same rules, and they haven't changed. Mayweather just has more skill within that rule context.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson....

Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Sugar Ray Robinson put together pretty good careers by running around and pot shotting their opponents...

[christx30]

93. My brother did that to me in our pillow fights.

He would dodge and weave and block. I would swing for the fences. When I got too tired to defend myself, he would go nuts on me. He was faster I wouldn't have a chance at that point. It's a very smart way of winning. Use your opponent's style and mistakes against him. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[Inkfreak]

39. I think you made a few very good points.

And summed it all up nicely. There's nothing wrong in what Floyd did. And there's nothing wrong with some people wanting a slugfest. It's why MMA has become so popular and boxing is called the "sweet science".

[nolabear]

12. People got hit,and people watched the hitting of the people, right? To

Okey dokey.

[demmiblue]

22. Apparently, that includes a fair amount of women...

at the hands (or fists) of Mayweather.

[Travis_0004]

26. He did make about 5 million a minute

I dont think he is too upset

[Jamaal510]

19. This was the first fight

I sat the entire time through, and I thought that they both did good, but Pacquiao should've went for the KO earlier on.
I can't believe I heard that both of them made over $100K per second for this fight, though. That's insane!

[onecaliberal]

27. Mayweather has abused a lot of women

He is sickening. It's too bad people pay to enable his lifestyle. He's a pos.

[JI7]

28. that's why keith olbermann said to boycott it

[Jesus Malverde]

37. That's Mr POS to you,

We could all hope to do as well in our careers as he has.

[ronnie624]

57. And by "hope to do as well",

what you mean is, 'hope to make a lot of money, like he does', because in America, the measure of our 'success' and our individual worth is ultimately determined by the amount of money that we make.

[onecaliberal]

59. ^^^That^^^

[Jesus Malverde]

64. He's undefeated.

His career is measured in more than money. He didn't get where he is by sitting on his butt.

[ronnie624]

66. In my discussions with others about this fight,

the most prominent issues were how much money each boxer would be making, and how much money it would cost to see it. And to the promoters and advertisers, it's ALL about money.

But I didn't say his career was measured only by money. It was really off-topic, and spoke to the popular attitude of 'success' being measured by one's income, which is an element that I thought I saw in your post. I apologize if I was in error.

[Jesus Malverde]

67. Back at ya

Dude has been fighting for 20 years, by any measusure a successful career.

[PeaceNikki]

43. Pacquiao is a dangerous POS, too

...after Pacquiao was elected to the Philippine congress in 2010, he opposed a bill that would increase the government funding for contraception and family planning services, according to USA Today in 2011. The boxer is also adamantly against abortion, which is illegal in the Philippine Constitution:

"God said, 'Go out and multiply.' He did not say, just have two or three kids," Pacquiao said.
...

"It's sinful to use condoms and commit abortion," he said and when questioned about overpopulation said "my parents were poor... they had four children, it was very difficult but we persevered."

Stating he is "pro-life," Pacquiao also once said a fight solidified his position on the issue as he cast his vote in 2012, the Philippine Daily Inquirer reported at the time.

“What happened in Vegas strengthened my already firm belief in the sanctity of life, on whether a person’s right to live in this world should be put in the hands of his fellow man...Only God has the right over this."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7191104

[demmiblue]

45. +1

[Jesus Malverde]

29. It was a really good fight

[FreakinDJ]

69. What were you smoking

[Jesus Malverde]

72. A fat Cuban..

When I'm back in SF its kind bud.

I had a great time and enjoyed the fight.

[Go Vols]

32. 12.5 k winner

Mayweather guards good and dosen't fight much,wins on points.

Same as 15+ years ago.

EZ bet.

[merrily]

33. Brain damage.

[Jesus Malverde]

38. Sad but true.

We've all faced occupational hazards.

[DCBob]

40. i watched it. I dont think there was solid hit the whole match..

Neither boxer was hurt. I felt like they should have kept fighting. Mayweather is a talented boxer and knows how to exploit the scoring system. His defensive back peddling counter punching technique works. I suspect there will be a rematch.

[FreakinDJ]

46. Yep - very disapointing fight

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Nobody will pay $100 to see that again

The whole reason the fight made so much money is that people thought Pac could be the one to really whip Mayweather. People wanted to see Mayweather on his ass, lights out. As soon as it became clear that Pac was as incapable of hitting Mayweather as anyone else, the whole thing evaporated. They'll never get the same hype. Mayweather will finish up his SHO contract and retire. The only speculation is who the next sap will be.

[Vattel]

50. Manny did good. His shoulder injury made him depend almost entirely on the left hand.

That made it easier for Floyd to avoid being hit. Floyd wasn't used to fighting someone that can throw punches as fast as Manny can; so he was very cautious, and rightly so.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Manny didn't embarrass himself...

I also believe and other analysts did as well that the Marquez knock out made him gun shy.

However if they fought ten times Money wins nine...

[H2O Man]

52. sour grapes

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Mayweather reminds me of Ali a bit in the ring

Mayweather reminds me of Ali a bit in the ring though the former is much more technically sound while the latter was much more athletic, kind of like Larry and Ali...

Money used some of Ali's tricks from Zaire last night when he kept tying up Pacquiao whenever he tried to mount an attack and literally putting him in a headlock a time or two...


A lot of boxing is what the referees will let you get away with...

The OP mentioned Ali-Frazier...Frazier won the first fight because Ali basically fought Joe's fight or was forced to fight Joe's fight. Their second match actually reminded me of last night's affair...Ali basically danced around Joe, pot shotting him, and tying Joe up whenever he managed to get inside. Ali won a comfortable decision and came out unscathed. Their third fight was a war because it was mostly a flat footed fight fought in the center of the ring.

[Blue_Tires]

60. Anybody who follows boxing knows that

any "excitement" from the bout wasn't going to be coming from Mayweather...

[DefenseLawyer]

61. This is what happens when non-fans watch an "event"

Boxing match and expect to see Rocky. Mayweather is a defensive technical boxer, a counterpuncher, and he's very good at it. It's like me watching the World Cup and calling it boring. To me it's boring, but I totally admit that I know nothing about the nuances of the sport. Of course it goes without saying that I would never pay $100 to watch soccer and then complain about it.

[FreakinDJ]

68. BULLSHIT - Its what happens when Mayweather looses All Respect

His OWN Fans are calling BULLSHIT Sir - its all over the intratubes today

Mayweather is attempting to do for the Entire Sport of Boxing what Hulk Hogan did for the WWE - Turn it into a Non-Sport form of Entertainment.

And he is sincerely paying the price for it today. All over social media he is the MOST HATED MAN IN BOXING today - Bar None. Folks who betted on Mayweather are forgiving the debt - Don't even want to collect on such a "Staged Event" as what was last night.

And YES - MAYWEATHER PRODUCTIONS made a huge sum of money

But Mayweather himself was "Boo-ed" out of the arena

[DefenseLawyer]

75. Have you ever seen Floyd Mayweather fight before?

Have you ever watched boxing before? Mayweather was booed walking in. He's the villain. He's always booed. The crowd booed because they were a pro Pacquiao crowd not because of the way Floyd fought. He did what any knowledgeable fan would have expected from him. As far as what "fans" are saying I the Internet, I would suggest that having a Twitter account does not a boxing expert make. Was it the fight of the century? No. But that was mostly because pacquiao was slow and heavier that he's ever been. It's laughable that any true Mayweather fans were disappointed in his fight. He fought the way he's always fought. He's a counterpuncher not a knockout artist.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

77. Wait! You thought professional wrestling was real?

Oh my.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. The three criterion ...

The three criterions for judging a fight are effective aggression, defense, and ring generalship...My Filipina girlfriend and I were heavily emotionally invested in Manny...


He lost...It was incumbent upon him to cut off the ring and make Mayweather fight. He didn't come close and lost. Except for a flurry here and there Mayweather looked very comfortable.


You mentioned the Ali-Frazier fights...Ali is my hero, my idol but he lost the first fight of their trilogy because he fought Frazier's fight or Frazier forced him to fight his fight...

Interestingly enough he followed the Mayweather plan in their rematch and danced around Joe , pot shotting him all night, and holding him whenever he got inside. Ali won a somewhat boring, lopsided decision where he escaped unscathed.

Their third fight was a war and both men suffered immeasurable damage because they both fought flat footed in the center of the ring. That fight ended with a nearly blind Frazier retiring on his stool in the fourteenth round.

My dad was a Golden Gloves boxer, my uncle was a pro boxer who retired due to a detached retina. They didn't want me to get anywhere near a ring but they did tell me if you are not cautious in it you will pay.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

86. I disagree. Mayweather did what he does and he's good at it. But Pacquiao might as well have stayed

home. He just phoned it in. This is coming from someone who's been watching the sport since I was child and Wilfredo Gomez was the shit.

[DefenseLawyer]

87. I don't disagree

As I said down thread, it was pacquiao- heavy, slow, hurt shoulder apparently- that kept it from being a "fight of the century". It really was 5 years too late. But those that are knocking Mayweather for "running" or just mailing it in have never seen him fight. Of course most have never seen anyone fight.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

92. I guess I used the wrong term. Especially after reading your other post right after I replied. I

did find the grabbing on Mayweather's part., although strategic and nothing new, to be excessive. But the "Sugar Ray" type weaving and dancing around is typical of him. I do recall De La Holla losing to Trinidad for his blatant running away for 6 rounds. But I wouldn't say this was that.

[Kurska]

62. Worst fight I've ever seen

Mayweather spent literally the entire fight running away and counter jabbing. Yeah he is fast and he deserved to win, but it was painful to watch and resembled nothing of what a real fight looks like. If you had put a MMA fighter in there with he would have got destroyed.

This is why no one cares about boxing anymore.

[DefenseLawyer]

63. If you paid money hoping to see MMA

I don't know what to tell you. Boxing is brutal enough, but it's not human cockfighting.

[Kurska]

65. Luckily I wasn't the one who paid for it.

It isn't boxing. I'm an amateur boxer myself and I found that the under cards were actually far more entertaining given they ya know, actually fought.

[DefenseLawyer]

73. You're an amateur boxer?

And you wanted to see an MMA fighter in the ring? That's curious. As an "amateur boxer", unless you are a tomato can, you must know that the object of the match is to hit your opponent while avoiding being hit, which is what Mayweather did. He landed far more punches and Pacquiao's scoring punches were less than 20%. Mayweather did what he always does and controlled the fight. If not letting himself get beat up is boring to you, I'm not sure why you watched a Mayweather fight in the first place.

[Kurska]

81. I never said he was a bad fighter

He is a great fighter. It is just excruciating to watch a fight like that for 99% of people. Again, it is a perfect example of why the sport is dying. No one wants to watch that outside of purists.

Great fighter, but absolutely unwatchable for the majority of people.

You act like I'm saying something outrageous. The reaction to the fight was a nearly universal yawn.

[Logical]

88. MMA is about 1000 times more interesting. nt

[Archae]

70. One of Howard Cossell's last bits of activism...

Was to get rid of boxing, completely.

And I agree with him.

First off, just look at Ali, today.
Boxing totally messed him up.

Also boxing is so corrupt it stinks on ice.
Don King is a murderer who steals from anyone he promotes.
He even ripped off Ali.

And the objective is totally obsolete.
Hit the other guy.

[LittleBlue]

74. It was as the experts said

A fight between two legends past their prime. And with so much money involved, and with the end of their careers shortly, I felt both boxers were mentally counting their money throughout. Mayweather's style always brings disappointment from neutrals.

This is why no matter how fast and technical these lower weight class fighters get, they can't match the entertainment of the legendary heavyweight bouts. Their punches just don't do enough damage by comparison. Defensive fighting styles, with the goal of merely landing more punches ro get the decision, are boring. People want knockouts and slugfests. The so-called Fight of the Century can't be a bout where neither fighter lands a blow strong enough to daze his opponent in 12 rounds

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

76. So how many will pay to watch the rematch?

I wont pay to watch a wife beater make money

[betterdemsonly]

80. It was a fight between a greedhead, women beater and a fundamentalist christian

Don't know why it would interest anybody but a republican. I don't care for either of them.

[Gothmog]

83. I do not like boxing and I am glad that I didnot pay for this fight

[True Blue Door]

85. Mayweather has never been a very dramatic fighter.

He's a strategic fighter. He wears the other guy down or wins on score.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. He's a safety first fighter but he's good at his craft.

The goal is to hit and not be hit.

[True Blue Door]

90. Yup. A consummate professional.

[trumad]

91. Football. .baseball. .soccer....no matter..

There will always be sour grapes when the outcome doesn't favor the losers fans.