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Mon May 4, 2015, 08:26 AM

No one should be killed for drawing unflattering cartoons of Mohammed...

that is as far as I'm going in that statement.

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Reply No one should be killed for drawing unflattering cartoons of Mohammed... (Original post)
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 OP
JonLP24 May 2015 #1
roguevalley May 2015 #24
CBGLuthier May 2015 #2
betterdemsonly May 2015 #3
PeaceNikki May 2015 #4
betterdemsonly May 2015 #5
PeaceNikki May 2015 #6
betterdemsonly May 2015 #7
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #20
GGJohn May 2015 #13
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #9
Goblinmonger May 2015 #17
The2ndWheel May 2015 #8
treestar May 2015 #10
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #11
treestar May 2015 #12
GGJohn May 2015 #14
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #16
Adrahil May 2015 #15
lpbk2713 May 2015 #18
Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #19
GGJohn May 2015 #21
deaniac21 May 2015 #22
GGJohn May 2015 #23

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:34 AM

1. I certainly agree with that

The point of drawing an unflattering image is something I don't understand, I think those who worry more provacateur nature are making the same mistake Gellar is making as acting as if the entire sect is like this when the sect responsible for a death sentence of such an image has bulldozed over Muhammad's graves of his immediate family and his own grave was moved to a mysterious location so no one will know where it is so they are unable to worship. It is based on Muhammad suggesting to not worship images of Muhammad so drawing unflattering images that people are probably not likely to worship it & the killing over the unflattering images --- like I said I don't understand

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #1)

Mon May 4, 2015, 05:39 PM

24. I agree that no one should but given this is the reality we live in no one should be surprised when

it happens.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:37 AM

2. Bear in mind these assholes will kill you for drawing a FLATTERING picture of their precious

I have to be careful not to let loose my utter contempt for them as I do not live in a country with first amendment protection.

Which is one more reason all these asshole attempts to deny the pure concept of free speech offend the fuck out of me. I supported the ACLU when they supported the right of nazi's to march in jewish neighborhoods even though it was a despicable act.

Either you respect the first amendment or you may as well kiss it goodbye and shut the country down.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:39 AM

3. What if people drew unflattering pictures of holocaust victims

 

and one of Geller's buds decided to shoot up the place. Would you view them as simple victims?

BTW Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X.

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:42 AM

4. People do not deserve violence and murder for being offensive assholes.

ever

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #4)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:44 AM

5. So you aknowledge she is a bigot, and not a liberal we must admire? n/t

 

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #5)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:46 AM

6. Absolutely. Nobody here ever said shit about admiring Geller. Nobody. That's horeshit.

So, by your logic, abortion clinics shouldn't exist because they 'goad' the nuts to bomb them?

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #6)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:51 AM

7. Nobody said anything about supporting the shooters. I dislike them both.

 

I think islamists and extreme zionists like her are trying to start WWIII, or an internal civil war in America. They may succeed.

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #7)

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:00 AM

20. "...trying to start WWIII, or an internal civil war in America."

Wars are started by those who use violence and murder to force themselves on others. Speech is not war.

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #5)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:40 AM

13. Nobody here has denied she's a disgusting bigot,

that being said, she has the absolute right to free speech in this country.

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:32 AM

9. I'm struck with incredulity --

What if people drew unflattering pictures of holocaust victims

and one of Geller's buds decided to shoot up the place. Would you view them as simple victims?


You're literally basing your argument on hypotheticals and suppositions. "What if"? What if your posts inspire someone to violence? Should we allow you to speak your mind freely based on "what if"?


BTW Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X.


So? It's stupid and untrue but that isn't an excuse for censorship and murder.

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Response to betterdemsonly (Reply #3)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:48 AM

17. OMG! "Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X"?

 

Then, yeah, shoot that fucker.

for the impaired.

So you are all for limiting free speech? If not by force of law, then by fear of being shot and killed by fucking crazy bastards.

Times like this remind me that I should never be surprised at what I read on a progressive website.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:56 AM

8. It's a can or can't world

Should is that subjective reality that we humans endlessly tangle ourselves into.

Can someone be killed for drawing an unflattering cartoon of Mohammed? Yes. Then the question is how to do you stop it? That's a tougher question to answer.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:33 AM

10. There are two straw men here

That's one of them. No one says that.

No one says there should be a law against it either, which would violate the First Amendment.

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Response to treestar (Reply #10)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:37 AM

11. "No one says that."

Don't count your strawmen before they've hatched --

Pam Gellar, a soulless fascist life-hating monster if there ever was one, will try to make this happen again.
She won't stop until she gets her bloodbath.

She has to be stopped,

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #11)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:39 AM

12. Where does that claim that there should be laws

against what she did or that they could survive First Amendment scrutiny.

That's just a call to oppose her.

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Response to treestar (Reply #12)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:43 AM

14. There's at least one that would like to make it illegal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141083905#post87

Reluctantly Agree

But to call this "the high cost of freedom" (extra security guards) shows that they knew that what they were doing was like shouting "fuego" in a crowded theatre (enough would know what it means to cause a panic). Or shouting "pigs" at a line of cops. There would be known consequences. Death by cops is not a nice game to be playing so I view what this group was doing with extreme disgust. They were the troublemakers but once shots were fired the cops had no choice. If this continues then something will need to be carved out that prevents these provocative moves from being legal. Blasphemy as free speech is a stretch, after all.

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Response to treestar (Reply #12)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:45 AM

16. "That's just a call to oppose her."

I make an OP stating no one should be killed, no buts about it; yet you seem to find plenty of reasons to complain.

People are showing their buts aplenty and, golly, I'm just so terrible for making note of it.

Please proceed; this ought to be a grand spectacle.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:45 AM

15. Jeebus forbid we offend any crazy religious types! Agree with OP. n/t

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:52 AM

18. When you run the risk of offending people who are 600 years behind the rest of us.




I think a little caution would be well applied.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #18)

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:57 AM

19. "I think a little caution would be well applied."

Such as? An armed protective presence? Self-censorship? Other censorship?

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #18)

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:01 AM

21. So we should apply "caution" when dealing with people like that?

Wouldn't that give them what they want? Why should we bow down to these extremists?
Fuck that!!!! I say full speed ahead, nobody has the right to not be offended.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:02 AM

22. They don't have to be unflattering.

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #22)

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:04 AM

23. Extremists don't have to try to kill someone who draws an unflattering depiction of

Mohammed.

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