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No one should be killed for drawing unflattering cartoons of Mohammed... (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 OP
I certainly agree with that JonLP24 May 2015 #1
I agree that no one should but given this is the reality we live in no one should be surprised when roguevalley May 2015 #24
Bear in mind these assholes will kill you for drawing a FLATTERING picture of their precious CBGLuthier May 2015 #2
What if people drew unflattering pictures of holocaust victims betterdemsonly May 2015 #3
People do not deserve violence and murder for being offensive assholes. PeaceNikki May 2015 #4
So you aknowledge she is a bigot, and not a liberal we must admire? n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #5
Absolutely. Nobody here ever said shit about admiring Geller. Nobody. That's horeshit. PeaceNikki May 2015 #6
Nobody said anything about supporting the shooters. I dislike them both. betterdemsonly May 2015 #7
"...trying to start WWIII, or an internal civil war in America." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #20
Nobody here has denied she's a disgusting bigot, GGJohn May 2015 #13
I'm struck with incredulity -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #9
OMG! "Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X"? Goblinmonger May 2015 #17
It's a can or can't world The2ndWheel May 2015 #8
There are two straw men here treestar May 2015 #10
"No one says that." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #11
Where does that claim that there should be laws treestar May 2015 #12
There's at least one that would like to make it illegal. GGJohn May 2015 #14
"That's just a call to oppose her." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #16
Jeebus forbid we offend any crazy religious types! Agree with OP. n/t Adrahil May 2015 #15
When you run the risk of offending people who are 600 years behind the rest of us. lpbk2713 May 2015 #18
"I think a little caution would be well applied." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #19
So we should apply "caution" when dealing with people like that? GGJohn May 2015 #21
They don't have to be unflattering. deaniac21 May 2015 #22
Extremists don't have to try to kill someone who draws an unflattering depiction of GGJohn May 2015 #23

JonLP24

(29,332 posts)
1. I certainly agree with that
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:34 AM
May 2015

The point of drawing an unflattering image is something I don't understand, I think those who worry more provacateur nature are making the same mistake Gellar is making as acting as if the entire sect is like this when the sect responsible for a death sentence of such an image has bulldozed over Muhammad's graves of his immediate family and his own grave was moved to a mysterious location so no one will know where it is so they are unable to worship. It is based on Muhammad suggesting to not worship images of Muhammad so drawing unflattering images that people are probably not likely to worship it & the killing over the unflattering images --- like I said I don't understand

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. I agree that no one should but given this is the reality we live in no one should be surprised when
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:39 PM
May 2015

it happens.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. Bear in mind these assholes will kill you for drawing a FLATTERING picture of their precious
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:37 AM
May 2015

I have to be careful not to let loose my utter contempt for them as I do not live in a country with first amendment protection.

Which is one more reason all these asshole attempts to deny the pure concept of free speech offend the fuck out of me. I supported the ACLU when they supported the right of nazi's to march in jewish neighborhoods even though it was a despicable act.

Either you respect the first amendment or you may as well kiss it goodbye and shut the country down.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
3. What if people drew unflattering pictures of holocaust victims
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:39 AM
May 2015

and one of Geller's buds decided to shoot up the place. Would you view them as simple victims?

BTW Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
6. Absolutely. Nobody here ever said shit about admiring Geller. Nobody. That's horeshit.
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:46 AM
May 2015

So, by your logic, abortion clinics shouldn't exist because they 'goad' the nuts to bomb them?

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
7. Nobody said anything about supporting the shooters. I dislike them both.
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:51 AM
May 2015

I think islamists and extreme zionists like her are trying to start WWIII, or an internal civil war in America. They may succeed.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
20. "...trying to start WWIII, or an internal civil war in America."
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

Wars are started by those who use violence and murder to force themselves on others. Speech is not war.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. Nobody here has denied she's a disgusting bigot,
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

that being said, she has the absolute right to free speech in this country.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. I'm struck with incredulity --
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:32 AM
May 2015
What if people drew unflattering pictures of holocaust victims

and one of Geller's buds decided to shoot up the place. Would you view them as simple victims?


You're literally basing your argument on hypotheticals and suppositions. "What if"? What if your posts inspire someone to violence? Should we allow you to speak your mind freely based on "what if"?


BTW Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X.


So? It's stupid and untrue but that isn't an excuse for censorship and murder.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
17. OMG! "Geller believes Obama is a closet muslim and the illegitimate child of Malcolm X"?
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:48 AM
May 2015

Then, yeah, shoot that fucker.

for the impaired.

So you are all for limiting free speech? If not by force of law, then by fear of being shot and killed by fucking crazy bastards.

Times like this remind me that I should never be surprised at what I read on a progressive website.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
8. It's a can or can't world
Mon May 4, 2015, 08:56 AM
May 2015

Should is that subjective reality that we humans endlessly tangle ourselves into.

Can someone be killed for drawing an unflattering cartoon of Mohammed? Yes. Then the question is how to do you stop it? That's a tougher question to answer.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. There are two straw men here
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:33 AM
May 2015

That's one of them. No one says that.

No one says there should be a law against it either, which would violate the First Amendment.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. "No one says that."
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:37 AM
May 2015

Don't count your strawmen before they've hatched --

Pam Gellar, a soulless fascist life-hating monster if there ever was one, will try to make this happen again.
She won't stop until she gets her bloodbath.

She has to be stopped,

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Where does that claim that there should be laws
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:39 AM
May 2015

against what she did or that they could survive First Amendment scrutiny.

That's just a call to oppose her.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
14. There's at least one that would like to make it illegal.
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141083905#post87

Reluctantly Agree

But to call this "the high cost of freedom" (extra security guards) shows that they knew that what they were doing was like shouting "fuego" in a crowded theatre (enough would know what it means to cause a panic). Or shouting "pigs" at a line of cops. There would be known consequences. Death by cops is not a nice game to be playing so I view what this group was doing with extreme disgust. They were the troublemakers but once shots were fired the cops had no choice. If this continues then something will need to be carved out that prevents these provocative moves from being legal. Blasphemy as free speech is a stretch, after all.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
16. "That's just a call to oppose her."
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:45 AM
May 2015

I make an OP stating no one should be killed, no buts about it; yet you seem to find plenty of reasons to complain.

People are showing their buts aplenty and, golly, I'm just so terrible for making note of it.

Please proceed; this ought to be a grand spectacle.

lpbk2713

(42,934 posts)
18. When you run the risk of offending people who are 600 years behind the rest of us.
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015



I think a little caution would be well applied.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
19. "I think a little caution would be well applied."
Mon May 4, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

Such as? An armed protective presence? Self-censorship? Other censorship?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
21. So we should apply "caution" when dealing with people like that?
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

Wouldn't that give them what they want? Why should we bow down to these extremists?
Fuck that!!!! I say full speed ahead, nobody has the right to not be offended.

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