Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut..He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory

[workinclasszero]

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut
He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory.

By Mark Joseph Stern

When Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders jumped into the 2016 presidential race, he was widely hailed as a far-left socialist who would appeal to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. A liberal challenge to Hillary Clinton, said Politico. True progressives’ liberal alternative, trumpeted FiveThirtyEight.

But before liberal Democrats flock to Sanders, they should remember that the Vermont senator stands firmly to Clinton’s right on one issue of overwhelming importance to the Democratic base: gun control. During his time in Congress, Sanders opposed several moderate gun control bills. He also supported the most odious NRA–backed law in recent memory—one that may block Sandy Hook families from winning a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used to massacre their children.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

[ibegurpard]

1. You're too late

This one's already been getting play for a while now.

[cali]

18. lol third posting in GD in the last few hours

Desperate

[Puzzledtraveller]

2. Otra vez?

[TM99]

3. Hillary Clinton, Homophobe...she has been on the wrong side of history for a long time.

Hillary Clinton Should Be a Gay Rights Icon—So Why Isn't She?

By Mark Joseph Stern

Hillary Clinton’s LGBTQ supporters desperately want her to be a gay rights icon—or at least a staunch advocate for the community. But given that Clinton is emphatically not a gay rights icon, or even a particularly steadfast ally, this desire has led to some awkward cognitive dissonance. Her apparent position on gay marriage—leave it to the states—is about as progressive as Dick Cheney’s circa 2004. (It’s also constitutionally incoherent.) Her biggest gay rights achievement to date is a single speech that doesn’t mention marriage. In fact, until 2013, Clinton’s public views on marriage equality seemed to be about the same as Brendan Eich’s.

This mixed record—further blackened, fairly or not, by her association with the man who signed DOMA—is theoretically forgivable. But Clinton has done almost nothing to encourage the LGBTQ community to forgive her. Her gay marriage metamorphosis in 2013—which the Economist dubbed a “farcically late conversion”—arrived with no attendant mea culpa for her decades of misjudgment. Nor were any such apologies to follow. And when NPR’s Terry Gross gently prodded Clinton for an explanation of her evolution in June, Clinton clumsily dodged and wriggled, turning a softball into a painful PR calamity. (In an extraordinary case of scrambled allegiances, some conservatives actually defended Clinton’s evasion.)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/07/21/hillary_clinton_s_record_on_gay_rights_and_lgbt_rights_is_confusing.html


So it looks like our two top choices are a 'gun nut' and a 'homophobe'.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Oh, damn, same asshole author? Thread Win!

[TM99]

10. Yay! I was hoping someone would catch that!

Bravo!

[AtomicKitten]

13. LOL. Whoops!

v

[Puzzledtraveller]

15. That's a

[m-lekktor]

22. damn.

[sarisataka]

4. You forgot...

that you posted n the identical thread earlier?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026629372
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6631091

[NYC_SKP]

5. You can't sue the manufacturer of legal things for their illegal use against others.

He was right on this one, it was a stupid idea for a form of gun control.

The author, By Mark Joseph Stern, is a fool.

What's more, Senator Sanders is in favor of background checks and magazine capacity limits.

Maybe you should read up on the good Senator instead of relying on a foolish article.

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

[SickOfTheOnePct]

29. Couldn't agree more

Let's sue Ford whenever a drunk driver kills someone while driving a Ford. And GM. And Chrysler.

Boeing should be sued because hijackers flew Boeing-built jets into buildings.

Airbus should be sued because the pilot flew an Airbus-built jet into a mountain.

Knife manufacturers should be sued when someone is stabbed to death.

And let's not forget anti-freeze...companies that make anti-freeze should be sued whenever someone is intentionally poisoned by a significant other that wants the life insurance money.

And before anyone starts with "Well, those other things aren't as common", it doesn't matter. A legally produced product used illegally isn't the fault of the product manufacturer, it's the fault of the person that uses it illegally.

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt AND the mug.

[Emelina]

9. Gun litmus test?

The Obama-McCain alliance wants to ship guns to jihadists in the Middle East and people jump on a guy with principles, Sanders, because he supports the 2nd Amendment?

[ucrdem]

11. Let's say candidate Bernie announces we need to cut benefits and privatize SS to save it.

Would he still get 90% of DUers support? Let's say he lost a third of that. That would still give him 60%. Not that DU is representative of anything but DU, but it illustrates the danger of putting stock in what so far has been textbook demagoguery.

[GGJohn]

12. Epic Fail!!!!!!!!!!!

Your line of BS has already been debunked numerous times tonite.

[Aerows]

14. Gun control isn't even in the ball park of things I care about implementing

If that's the biggest thing you can hit Bernie Sanders with, I am totally okay with it.

[Mnpaul]

26. It isn't an issue important to most Americans

Important for 1% of Americans.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

[NYC_SKP]

32. You can't sue the manufacturer of a legal thing for it's misuse by criminals.

You can sue for unsafe design or defective manufacture, but you can't hold car makers, for example, for car accidents or vehicular manslaughters.

Think that over for a minute, if people successfully sued Remington for a legal and safe rifle because some outlaw used it to kill a kid, then everyone would be suing for every kind of violent act and accident not the person but the thing.

Good grief.

[djean111]

16. That "purity test" thing that those who do not revere everything that Obama and/or HRC do, get

fwapped with? Here is where that purity thing comes into play. I am not a purist, and I believe that Bernie is the best candidate.
Cutting safety nets and supporting the TPP and reining in Wall Street are more like hot button issues with me.
Guns? Hillary seems fine with sending Americans with guns overseas. To kill people. On purpose. To spread Democracy. Or something.

[KittyWampus]

33. refreshing to see you embrace pragmatism.

[djean111]

35. I am just saying that every time I brought up something I did not like about HRC (or Obama) I was

called a purist. Liberals and Progressives are called "purists" quite a bit, here at DU. Mostly because they do not embrace everything a particular politician does; more personality-driven, seems to me.
So I am not newly embracing pragmatism, I am saying that my idea of what I can be pragmatic about is, obviously, quite different than someone else's idea.

IMO, those who are pragmatic about everything - stand for nothing.

[petronius]

17. He got it right on the PLCAA. Absent specific misconduct on their own part,

manufacturers (of anything) should not be held liable for the criminal misuse of an otherwise legal and non-defective product. Such lawsuits should be prohibited as a general thing...

[pablo_marmol]

19. Absolutely! Another reason to love Bernie!

He's able to detect bullsh*t when he gets a whiff.

[Hoyt]

20. As much as I'm opposed to gun fanciers, particularly toters and rabid types, I find it

difficult to use his gun votes against him. I just don't think he can win, or in the unlikely event he did, get any of his ideas through Congress.

I am surprised at his votes on guns and protection of immoral gun manufacturers.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

31. Morality is subjective

I'm not interested in having the government decide what is and isn't moral/immoral.

[beevul]

21. "That doublevision always seems to get the best of me..."

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. By all means, let's jump over to the corporatist for a losing issue.

[ileus]

24. How much further left can he be than to support the Second.

This little nugget has helped pull me over from Hillary, at least in the primaries. After she wins our nomination I'll continue on the Hillary bandwagon.

[99Forever]

25. This turd didn't get any traction yesterday...

... so of course, so of course the neolibs think they need to roll it out again. Didn't even take time to try and polish it.

I love the smell of inevitable implosion in the morning.

[leftofcool]

28. No, it got the Bernie pass and a collective shrug from his supporters.

Now, if Hillary had voted against the Brady Bill, all hell would have broken loose.

[99Forever]

30. Oh please.

That turd needs lots more polish too.

[workinclasszero]

34. No doubt

about that eh?

But Bernie gets a pass for protecting military assault rifle companies when their products mow down school kids. SMH, just damn.

[KingCharlemagne]

36. Hillary gets a pass for a Senate vote that led to the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqi civiians. SMH, just

damn.

[deutsey]

27. Gasp!

I'm supporting Sanders for President, not flawless Emperor God.