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think

(11,641 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:27 AM May 2015

In case anyone forgot Goldman Sachs sold worthless mortgages as AAA investments


Goldman's Blueprint for Dumping Toxic Assets: How These CDOs Were Designed to Fail

David Fiderer - Posted: 06/18/2010 5:12 am EDT

"Although Goldman Sachs held various positions in residential mortgage-related products in 2007, our short positions were not a 'bet against our clients.'"

That claim, from Goldman's letter to its shareholders, is easily refuted. The S.E.C. has brought fraud charges on one of Goldman deals known as synthetic subprime mezzanine collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs. While most of these deals remain shrouded in secrecy, one of them, Anderson Mezzanine Funding 2007, Ltd. lays out its blueprint in sufficient detail so that we can pinpoint how and why this transaction's failure was never in doubt.

When the deal closed on March 20, 2007, there was virtual certainty that investors would get wiped out and that Goldman would receive a windfall. And that's exactly how things turned out. By December 2009, Anderson Mezzanine's nominal value had shrunk by more than two-thirds, from $307 million to $94 million, though remaining assets' fair market value was far less. The investment portfolio, which held only two performing assets, had an average credit rating of CC.

~Snip~

Playing the Ratings Game

But these pitfalls weren't exactly conspicuous. A potential investor would need to spend a lot of time and effort deciphering the offering circular and related documents, such as the Bond Indenture, the Liquidation Agency Agreement, or the Forward Purchase Agreement, in order to figure out what was really going on. He would also need to conduct a financial analysis of the 61 different mortgage securities being insured via credit default swaps.

Or he might take some shortcuts, and simply rely on the deal's stellar ratings. The most senior tranches of the CDO, comprising 70% of the capital structure, were rated AAA. After all, the rating agencies had reviewed and rated all of the 61 insured mortgage bonds, so their institutional memory and expertise was embedded inside the ratings awarded the Anderson deal...

Read more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fiderer/goldmans-blueprint-for-du_b_542176.html



Goldman Sachs Misled Congress, Duped Clients, Levin Says

6:36 PM EDT - April 14, 2011

April 14 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. misled clients and Congress about the firm’s bets on securities tied to the housing market, the chairman of the U.S. Senate panel that investigated the causes of the financial crisis said.

Senator Carl Levin, releasing the findings of a two-year inquiry yesterday, said he wants the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission to examine whether Goldman Sachs violated the law by misleading clients who bought the complex securities known as collateralized debt obligations without knowing the firm would benefit if they fell in value.

The Michigan Democrat also said federal prosecutors should review whether to bring perjury charges against Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein and other current and former employees who testified in Congress last year. Levin said they denied under oath that Goldman Sachs took a financial position against the mortgage market solely for its own profit, statements the senator said were untrue.

“In my judgment, Goldman clearly misled their clients and they misled the Congress,” Levin said at a press briefing yesterday where he and Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican, discussed the 640-page report from the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

Much of the blame for the 2008 market collapse belongs to banks that earned billions of dollars in profits creating and selling financial products that imploded along with the housing market, according to the report. The Levin-Coburn panel levied its harshest criticism at investment banks, in particular accusing Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank AG of peddling collateralized debt obligations backed by risky loans that the banks’ own traders believed were likely to lose value.

Read more:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-04-14/goldman-sachs-misled-congress-after-duping-clients-over-cdos-levin-says
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In case anyone forgot Goldman Sachs sold worthless mortgages as AAA investments (Original Post) think May 2015 OP
After bribing rating agencies to rate them AAA, House of Roberts May 2015 #1
Sad isn't it? The question is who in our govt is working to prevent this from happening again? think May 2015 #2
O'Malley enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from FSogol May 2015 #3
TY for the input. Was not aware of O'Malley's positions on this. think May 2015 #5
Nice article. Enthusiast May 2015 #25
+5. This is good to know about O'Malley. Thanks- appalachiablue May 2015 #35
Every American needs to read... Whiskeytide May 2015 #4
Thanks. Sounds like one I need to read. America really got sucker punched by these guys... /nt think May 2015 #7
I highly recommend it, but... Whiskeytide May 2015 #8
I had a feeling it may raise my blood pressure think May 2015 #10
The Big Short is a great read el_bryanto May 2015 #11
You're right - Lewis focused... Whiskeytide May 2015 #12
I have read none of these; but, will pick up ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #30
I think you are right el_bryanto May 2015 #32
So that is the starting point ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #34
IMO Prison is one of the few things a CEO might fear. One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #38
No, they fear being POOR far more ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #39
Any of Matt Taibbi's books are excellent dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #51
I've read a lot of Matt's works ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #54
I just reread "The Big Short" again last week. longship May 2015 #13
I second that. Very readable, not at all difficult to get thru. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #29
I haven't read The Flash Boys... Whiskeytide May 2015 #31
I read the Flash Boys and then re-read it. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #41
And I seem to remember one of our potental Democratic POTUS nominees... 99Forever May 2015 #6
Unfortunately you are correct /nt think May 2015 #9
HRC's undersecretary for economic growth was a former Goldman Sachs vice chair antigop May 2015 #18
Good thing you can't remember, otherwise you'd be gang-tackled erronis May 2015 #28
Here is some fun...look up how many Goldman Sachs folks are/have been in current admin. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #43
True, but in the days of FDR and Truman, hifiguy May 2015 #46
Interesting! ibewlu606 May 2015 #14
Don't worry our Crack Justice Department will see the Evil-doers are dealt with One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #15
They should have been punished Omaha Steve May 2015 #16
About thirty years of making big rocks hifiguy May 2015 #45
Fill the prisons with the 99% so there's no room for these crooks. mountain grammy May 2015 #17
But... but...but...! gregcrawford May 2015 #19
Recommended and bookmarked for the whole thread. Duppers May 2015 #20
That our government officials have allowed fraud to go unchecked Madmiddle May 2015 #21
Politicians should be embarrassed to be associated with these banks. Enthusiast May 2015 #22
Yeah, that's it, the banks were just trying to recify redlining because they care and appalachiablue May 2015 #36
I just encountered a guy on Facebook that made that exact claim. Enthusiast May 2015 #49
My blood pressure went up, even more! Yes this really stuck, the financial Media, esp. appalachiablue May 2015 #50
Excellent OP & thread contributions. All of you who have recommendations of reading ought to post mother earth May 2015 #23
Through credit default swaps they made money selling failure. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #24
Goldman Sachs Reports Highest Profits in Five Years jtuck004 May 2015 #26
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #27
They also hedged their bets by throwing their own customers under the bus AgingAmerican May 2015 #33
Excellent post and replies, thank you. Keep this KICKED! appalachiablue May 2015 #37
Which is why thls little buddy-buddy pic hifiguy May 2015 #40
Nice ...and note the Clinton Foundation plak in the background. L0oniX May 2015 #52
A picture is worth about 10,000 words in this case. nt hifiguy May 2015 #53
Well they were nice enough to give Hillary $250,000 just to talk to them. L0oniX May 2015 #42
Financial ignorance at its finest econoclast May 2015 #44
Perhaps you'd like to explain it to the people in the thread who have read it. think May 2015 #47
It took Lewis an entire book econoclast May 2015 #48

House of Roberts

(5,169 posts)
1. After bribing rating agencies to rate them AAA,
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:33 AM
May 2015

they then coerced AIG to sell them policies to protect GS from those bundled mortgages failing, knowing they were going to fail.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
2. Sad isn't it? The question is who in our govt is working to prevent this from happening again?
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are two that come to mind....

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
3. O'Malley enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:55 AM
May 2015

foreclosure.

His "It’s time to put the national interest before the interests of Wall Street." speech:

Seven years after the Wall Street meltdown, Americans are still experiencing the fallout. Although job creation rates and GDP — along with bank bonuses and corporate profits — are on the upswing, these statistics mask the lingering hardship of millions of families that traces back to Wall Street’s reckless behavior. One study found that the crash cost every American $120,000. We were forced to save our economy by bailing out big banks. Now, we have a responsibility to correct the mistakes of our more recent past to prevent another crash. To do that, we must acknowledge that — while it addressed inherent flaws in the financial system — the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act did not go far enough. The most serious structural reform we can make is reinstating the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that kept commercial banks separate from investment banks. Under Glass-Steagall, our country did not see a major financial crisis for nearly 70 years. If that law hadn’t been repealed in 1999, the crash would have been contained. The largest banks should be broken up into more manageable institutions. Today, five banks control half of the financial industry’s $15 trillion in assets. Even members of Congress, several Federal Reserve Board governors, and major players in the financial industry are recognizing that institutions that are too big to fail are too big to succeed.

Structural reforms aren’t enough. We must bring fundamental change to the culture of Wall Street, beginning with real accountability. To this day, the Justice Department and financial regulators have done virtually nothing to bring criminal charges or hold leadership accountable. Legal deterrents are critical for improving the culture of Wall Street and showing that fraudulent behavior will be punished. We can solve this problem in a few ways. The first is to replace the leadership at banks that are repeat offenders. CEOs should not remain in charge of institutions that they have failed to manage properly. Second, we must appoint people to positions — attorney general and SEC chair for starters — who will prosecute those who commit or permit crimes. Thus far, settlements have been nothing more than CEOs using shareholder money to buy their way out of jail.

Third, we must end the days of “neither admit nor deny,” and force law-breaking banks to publicly admit it. We have allowed big banks to avoid admitting guilt due to claims that it will cause them too much harm — it’s time to end that game and let banks face the legal consequences and harm to their reputation. Fourth, we must make banks bear the full weight of financial penalties. As unbelievable as it sounds, the worst actors on Wall Street have written off large portions of these penalties — as if they were donations to charity. We should not allow banks to deduct fines from their taxes.Finally, we need a “three strikes and you’re out” or a points-accrual policy — like the one drivers face — to revoke a bank’s right to operate if they repeatedly break the law. This would increase transparency, reduce recidivism and put banks out of business if they repeatedly disregard the law. Unfortunately, while many good people who work in finance and in Congress understand our vulnerability to another crash, further reform faces an uphill climb against powerful special interests. Today, most Republicans in Congress are hell-bent on disassembling the Dodd-Frank Act. And too many Democrats have been complicit in the backslide toward less regulation. All while last year’s Wall Street bonuses were double the total earnings of all full-time workers making minimum wage.

It’s time to put the national interest before the interests of Wall Street.

The future of our economy — and America’s middle class — depends on it.


Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
4. Every American needs to read...
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:04 AM
May 2015

... The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine by Michael Lewis. Astounding what the industry did and how they pulled it off.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
11. The Big Short is a great read
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:38 AM
May 2015

Michael Lewis is an amazing writer - that said, he has a pretty tight focus. I'd also recommend "All the Devils Are Here: The Hidden History of the Financial Crisis" by Bethany McLean and Joe Nocera, which gives a very thorough review of all of the moving pieces that created the problem, and "Chasing Goldman Sachs: How the Masters of the Universe Melted Wall Street Down...And Why They'll Take Us to the Brink Again" by Suzanne McGee, which gives a good overview as well, but drills down on the mentality of Wall Street and why this is a big deal.

If you want to go the other way and read a really bad book about the crisis, "A Colossal Failure of Common Sense: The Inside Story of the Collapse of Lehman Brothers" by Lawrence G. McDonald and Patrick Robinson, which is sort of about how Lehman Brothers made a lot of bad calls, but really about how great Lawrence G McDonald and his cronies at Lehman Brothers were.

Bryant

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
12. You're right - Lewis focused...
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:44 AM
May 2015

... on the central characters/players who would talk to him - mostly the guys who saw the problem coming and started betting against the CDOs before the meltdown - and ended up making a lot of money. But it was an interesting perspective.

I will get the two you suggested. Thanks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. I have read none of these; but, will pick up ...
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:26 PM
May 2015

McGee's piece. I suspect the short version of the piece (regarding the mentality of wall street) can be boiled down to: FEES & BONUSES!

I will state, again, my decidedly unpopular cure for this conduct ... Jailing the bad actors will not stop the conduct (as with ALL economic crimes, there will always be someone willing to risk prison for the big pay day), nor will the jailings reach high enough into the bad businesses to affect the needed cultural change within the businesses ... The only fix that I see would be to enact regulations that make such conduct, unprofitable.

I would welcome regulations which contain severe claw back provisions ... specifically, if found liable, we must get back every dime associated with the transaction, including money lost by investors, the fees charged by the corporation(s) touching the deal, and/but more, the bonuses/salaries of everyone associated with the deal.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
32. I think you are right
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:37 PM
May 2015

And it's not just Fees and Bonuses - the issue isn't that individual bad actors are bribed to take bad actions. The issue is that the mentality of Wall Street is to offer those bribes, and unless the culture on Wall Street changes, nothing is going to happen.

Bryant

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. So that is the starting point ...
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:04 PM
May 2015

prove the bribe (and the resulting action) and claw back every F'ing dime.

And I say, convict the briber AND the bribee (and their immediate manager, or whomever approved the pay-out); and, place them on probation, with a condition that they secure and maintain employment and pay restitution to the victims of the crime (the investors); and, establish the restitution at the amount investors lost in the deal; and, to satisfy the restitution, start by and take every dime the offenders (and their immediate family) have, and take every dime the offender makes (see above probation condition), leaving them $1.00 more than the public assistance eligibility cut off amount; and, ban them from the industry, forever.

(There is precedent for all of these actions ... though they tend to only be placed on the poor and working class offender)

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
38. IMO Prison is one of the few things a CEO might fear.
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:46 PM
May 2015

I don't see the top execs, with their places in the Hamptons already secured, fearing much in their corps profitability. Financial penalty's to their Corp have little effect on themselves personally. Having to share a living space with Commoners though. Without having them all slobbering to serve and ingratiate themselves to their betters.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. No, they fear being POOR far more ...
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

then they fear prison. They don't give a sh!t about "having to share a living space with Commoners", in fact, I would argue that wealthy CEOs don't give that a second thought.

But that's just my experience.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
51. Any of Matt Taibbi's books are excellent
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:17 PM
May 2015

they are collections of his pieces in Rolling Stone.
He distills complicated concepts into plain and enjoyable language, very well.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. I've read a lot of Matt's works ...
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:46 PM
May 2015

I prefer works that are less sensational and with less editorializing.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. I just reread "The Big Short" again last week.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

It is a damned good book. Steve Eisman, an incredible character who foresaw the catastrophe, is one of the incredible featured characters.

But what's more important about this book is not the entertaining characters, but that it answers the question, what the hell is a mezzanine synthetic CDO? (Hint: the answer is: it is a toxic waste dump.)

I heartily recommend "The Big Short".

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. I second that. Very readable, not at all difficult to get thru.
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:34 AM
May 2015

Michael Lewis writes about financial issues in a clear language, much as Matt Taibbi does, or even Michael Hudson.

I recommend Lewis' The Flash Boys esp. about how High Frequency Trading was created and developed.
Not at all boring to anyone interested in our current financial crime littered landscape.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
31. I haven't read The Flash Boys...
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:29 PM
May 2015

... but I'll look for it. I usually get books like these from the library on CD and listen to them when I travel. Flash Boys will be on the top of my list next time. Thanks.

btw - I really like your tag line about the fastest lemming. I'm going to start working that into conversations with my Republican friends!!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
41. I read the Flash Boys and then re-read it.
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:24 PM
May 2015

There is a lot to it, his writing is clear, but much to absorb.

( there's no advantage to being the richest lemming, either..... )

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
6. And I seem to remember one of our potental Democratic POTUS nominees...
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:10 AM
May 2015

... getting paid huge sums of cash to give pep talks to Goldman Sachs.

If I could only remember which one that was...

.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
43. Here is some fun...look up how many Goldman Sachs folks are/have been in current admin.
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:46 PM
May 2015

Bankers and their billions have been a fixture of the WH for a long time.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
46. True, but in the days of FDR and Truman,
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015

the bankers in those administrations were subject to Glass-Steagall and, more importantly, were gambling exclusively with their own money in their private business dealings and could not be reimbursed by the US Treasury.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
15. Don't worry our Crack Justice Department will see the Evil-doers are dealt with
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:39 AM
May 2015

Now this bridge is really sweet. Going to triple your investment in nothing flat........

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
19. But... but...but...!
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:49 AM
May 2015

... Goldman Sachs was deemed "Too Big To Jail," undoubtedly because it was Obama's largest single campaign contributor. Too big to jail? Well then, just chop Blankfein and his crew into chum and jail the fish that eat them. Simple.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
20. Recommended and bookmarked for the whole thread.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:51 AM
May 2015

Problem is the average voter lacks the info and even the curiosity to make the connection between this and their lives. There's a huge gap.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
21. That our government officials have allowed fraud to go unchecked
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:58 AM
May 2015

It's up to the people to fight back on this mortgage fraud. Make banks take you to court. Demand to see the original note. The destroyed 99% of them.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
22. Politicians should be embarrassed to be associated with these banks.
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
May 2015

But in this corrupt media world they do not have a care.

There are still internet sockpuppets claiming the economic collapse was the fault of the Community Reinvestment Act. I'm not sure but I assume Lying Fox News is still making that assertion.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
36. Yeah, that's it, the banks were just trying to recify redlining because they care and
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:12 PM
May 2015

are known to be fighters for the people and justice.*sarcasm*. Correct, the pols should be ashamed to be around these financial 'institutions', paragons of the American economy run by geniuses. Not!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
49. I just encountered a guy on Facebook that made that exact claim.
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

I don't do Facebook so I couldn't say anything. He repeated the same old Lying Fox News bullshit that the government FORCED banks to lend to poor black people that had no intention of paying back the loans. And that caused the entire economic collapse. See? Very simple. The end.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
50. My blood pressure went up, even more! Yes this really stuck, the financial Media, esp.
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:16 PM
May 2015

CNBC scrambled fast to come up with the lies. Sorry to still hear this 7 years later. Yep, it's always 'the big, bad government' made us do it! It wasn't our fault. No responsibility, all profit.

Might have to do another post on one of those videos of 2008-09 Congressional Grillings- I mean Hearings. Each one takes a lot out of ya, but if it helps educate people it's important.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
23. Excellent OP & thread contributions. All of you who have recommendations of reading ought to post
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 7, 2015, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)

some of it on v&mm or Economy. A big K & R!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
26. Goldman Sachs Reports Highest Profits in Five Years
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015
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Goldman Sachs Group (GS) reported net revenues of $10.62 billion, the highest quarterly earnings in four years. Its net profits surged by 40% to $2.84 billion when compared with the first quarter of the previous year. Along with strong mergers and acquisitions activity in the first quarter, higher equity and related offerings across the globe backed this performanc...

http://marketrealist.com/2015/04/goldman-sachs-reports-highest-profits-five-years/

Bank$ter profits made on the lives of 7 million families thrown in the street in foreclosure, ten million families moved into poverty with children, most of whom will be there for the rest of their lives, joined by perhaps a hundred million more who work for half or less than they did before this financial crisis, many who will never work another job in their lives, all in a plan by this administration who thought it was more important to save the bank$ters that donated to their campaign than working voters and their families.

You can read about the plan in his book by Timothy "Killer" Geither (who may well have been responsible for more long-term suffering than the terrorists who took down the world trade center), or hear voters laugh at his face when he tries to spin it otherwise here: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/z9b8f1/timothy-geithner-extended-interview

You can just look around and see the continuing devastation as we continue to try to pump up the assets of those with more wealth on the backs of many who have nothing. And we will see what this brings us.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
33. They also hedged their bets by throwing their own customers under the bus
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

The Bush administration simply stopped enforcing regulations.

And now another Bush want's to continue the legacy.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
42. Well they were nice enough to give Hillary $250,000 just to talk to them.
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015

Nice that they had the extra money laying around for that. I'm sure it did not come from everyone they ripped off.

econoclast

(543 posts)
44. Financial ignorance at its finest
Thu May 7, 2015, 04:47 PM
May 2015

If you read Michael Lewis' book The Big Short and are kicking this thread then you didn't understand much of what you read.

The shocking ignorance virtually guarantee another financial disaster because people will demand more bad policies and mis-regulation / mal-regulation.

It is sad.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
47. Perhaps you'd like to explain it to the people in the thread who have read it.
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

I've not read it but can read these articles and understand that the American people got screwed by GS.

What's your take?

econoclast

(543 posts)
48. It took Lewis an entire book
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

You want it on a postit note?

Derivatives had little to do with the financial crisis. Example .... It occurred in Ireland and Spain as well and they had hardly a derivative among them.

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