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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:52 AM May 2015

If I hear one more person talking about Baltimore’s missing fathers, I am going to blow a GD gasket

If I hear one more person talking about Baltimore’s missing fathers, I am going to blow a god damned gasket. They aren’t missing. We didn’t misplace them. They didn’t up and disappear or get zapped into the skies by aliens or fall down a well. My mustard is missing. Baltimore’s father’s aren’t missing, we know exactly where the fuck they are. They’re in jail or dead, victims of insane drug laws, institutional racism, lack of opportunity, and their own bad choices made substantially more enticing than they should be by the lousy options from which they had to choose.

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If I hear one more person talking about Baltimore’s missing fathers, I am going to blow a GD gasket (Original Post) phantom power May 2015 OP
I also wonder why the RW morons don't mention Bushco's illegal invasion and malaise May 2015 #1
The Iraq war is the reason no fathers in Baltimore?? former9thward May 2015 #4
Where did I say that? malaise May 2015 #6
The amount of fathers killed in wars former9thward May 2015 #15
his point has some validity since going to a volunteer army recruitment in the inner cities and very dembotoz May 2015 #10
There is no point. former9thward May 2015 #14
Did you miss the word "also?" treestar May 2015 #16
Baltimore has a population of 620,000. former9thward May 2015 #17
Don't forget the three trillion dollars PNW_Dem May 2015 #5
Amazing how little discussion on these facts took place malaise May 2015 #8
Missing fathers and police brutality have no correlation whatsoever. Crowman1979 May 2015 #2
Yup. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #3
They are attempting to see if they can get something to stick..... AuntPatsy May 2015 #7
Why is your mustard missing? Omar4Dems May 2015 #9
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #11
I didn't know General Discussion had a gasket lame54 May 2015 #12
+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #13

malaise

(268,688 posts)
1. I also wonder why the RW morons don't mention Bushco's illegal invasion and
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:51 AM
May 2015

occupation of Iraq and the 4,000 plus dead military most of whom were men and fathers.
Who sent men to their graves in all these wars? Who demanded that they put country before their wives and children.

Discussions about absent fathers in 'war on drugs' communities are a joke.

former9thward

(31,935 posts)
4. The Iraq war is the reason no fathers in Baltimore??
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

Wow. So 4000 dead over a 10 year period in a nation of 330 million is the reason no fathers in Baltimore. Love your math skills.

malaise

(268,688 posts)
6. Where did I say that?
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

I made a general point about fathers being killed in wars - - a point that is never included in RW discussions about absent fathers

former9thward

(31,935 posts)
15. The amount of fathers killed in wars
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:13 PM
May 2015

is mathematically insignificant when compared to the total number of fathers in the U.S.

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
10. his point has some validity since going to a volunteer army recruitment in the inner cities and very
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:18 AM
May 2015

rural areas has been proportionately higher than the burbs.

lack of options produces more foot soldiers.

therefore poor folks in a place like baltimore have a higher risk of death in iraq than those who attend ivy league schools--simple math

former9thward

(31,935 posts)
14. There is no point.
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

And your math is terrible. The military only needs 2% of high school graduates to fulfill its quota. A tiny amount. Those "poor folks" in Baltimore are likely to be h.s. dropouts and thus ineligible for the military. The military rejects more people than they accept. You are living back in the 60s. This is not the Vietnam military.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Did you miss the word "also?"
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

Because those are additional missing fathers, caused by right wingers. Right wingers are the ones who drone on about fathers

former9thward

(31,935 posts)
17. Baltimore has a population of 620,000.
Thu May 7, 2015, 07:02 PM
May 2015

That is 0.00186 of the U.S. population. There were 4491 Iraq war dead. So assuming an even distribution that means 8 Baltimore war dead. So I think that reason would be dead last by far of all the reasons for "missing fathers".

PNW_Dem

(119 posts)
5. Don't forget the three trillion dollars
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:48 AM
May 2015

Remember when the Iraq was was supposed to pay for itself and last a month?

Three trillion dollars

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
2. Missing fathers and police brutality have no correlation whatsoever.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:34 AM
May 2015

That's like saying adult novelties cause men to have sex with Jellyfish.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. Yup.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:39 AM
May 2015
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/15/a-dead-broke-notdeadbeatabaltimorerethinkswelfarepolicy.html

Whereas state welfare policy wasn't fashioned to serve Charlotte and Darnell as a family, a nonprofit in West Baltimore, the Center for Urban Families (CFUF), treated them as one. In 2010, after years of struggling to maintain their marriage, they enrolled in the center's Couples Advancing Together (CAT) program.

In Baltimore, where fathers are already in short supply, in part due to high incarceration rates, CFUF seeks to help couples stay together or at least effectively raise their children together. The organization offers a mix of programs that focus on job training, relationship-skills building, parenting and financial counseling. The group also works with men who owe child support to craft with DHR a viable payment plan, including forgiving or alleviating arrears. Last year, the Maryland General Assembly passed legislation to expand CAT’s program that, starting this month, could put the state at the forefront of potentially innovative policy.

"It holds tremendous promise," says Thomasina Hiers, deputy secretary of programs at the Maryland Department of Human Resources. "If it works, it will redefine policy."

Child support debt

In four Baltimore ZIP codes where CFUF works, parents owe a total of $111 million in child-support arrears. That's about a quarter of the city's total. In those ZIP codes, DHR jointly with CFUF identified 4,642 cases (9.4 percent of the total caseload for the city) in which individuals owe an average of about $130 per month. In 68 percent of those cases, DHR has never received a single payment.

But while the measures the state can take to recover that money are intended for deadbeat dads, men caught up in the system in inner-city Baltimore are often dead broke. DHR officials say those in arrears are mostly parents who would pay but cannot — the unemployed, underemployed and incarcerated — not those who can pay but won't.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
11. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

It's just more biased media. They tailor every message. Tax payers pay for some shit kicker good ol' boys to decide which memes to push.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. +1000
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:46 AM
May 2015

for the most part, a national situation.... Until POC are accepted as 100% americans citizens, like the privileged of this country, this situation will remain, with all of the ramifications as stated in OP, as it has for150 years, the same.

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