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[ucrdem]

1. Because McGovern is part of the VRWC.

The look in her eyes says it all and she's probably right.

[NCTraveler]

2. You need to be called out for your lie.

She was not smiling as he was being dragged out. She was disrupted and handled it like a pro. To be clear, she was not smiling in the video as the disruptor was being removed. That is a lie.

[FarPoint]

15. Well...I was smiling too.

So, Hillary is cool.

[Buzz Clik]

21. +1

Intentionally misleading posts are not allowed here. Actually, anyone with a shred of moral fiber would not intentionally mislead, but I guess that's why we need rules.

And about that beating...

The OP is pure bullshit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I prefer not to hide threads except in the most extreme cases.

Let posters show their ass if they want to.

[cali]

26. no more a lie than the claim that Bernie responded to questions about

Israel by yelling shut up when he actually yelled shut up in response to people screaming obscenities at him and threatening him- and yes telling the Senator to "come down here" is an implicit threat.

In actuality, Bernie let someone go on for nearly two minutes and then attempted to respond. His response to the actual question was civil and respectful.

[NCTraveler]

30. It is a blatant lie.

Sorry you feel the need to justify it. You should simply call it out for the lie it is.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. There's a SHITLOAD that Hillary can be criticized for; this ain't one of them.

[Raine1967]

120. I think both that OP and this one are in bad taste, personally. eom

[lame54]

88. he also wasn't beaten...

at least not on the video

the write up accompanying the vid says he was beaten and bloodied - it implies that it happened right in front of her

can't confirm that part because the vid just shows them hauling him out

[djean111]

3. Because she didn't really care? Because the beating was pre-planned? Because the beating suited

her purpose? Because anything to keep Ray McGovern quiet was acceptable?
I don't think ignoring a beating is presidential in the least.

[leftofcool]

5. Uh, hello, it's a lie.

[NCTraveler]

6. Love the sarcasm. OP doesn't deserve much more. nt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. ...

[Buzz Clik]

22. Beating? What beating?

[NCTraveler]

31. That poster, knowing it is a lie, is spreading it around DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026634216#post3

[djean111]

32. Here ya go

[Buzz Clik]

33. "Here you go" what? It's the same video clip.

I saw no beating, I heard no screaming.

[polly7]

44. Uh .......... maybe watch it again?

[Buzz Clik]

49. If I watch it 100 times, it will not show that man being beaten while Clinton talks and smiles.

Care to direct me to the time in that video when it is shown? Please?

[polly7]

53. FFS.

Is McGovern lying? Did the make-up people paint those bruises on and did he invent the bloody pants story out of nothing?

How much effort would it have taken for her to at least pause and stop the brute-handling of an elderly, much smaller man? Smirk/smile - YMMV.

[leftofcool]

55. Uh, yes!

[polly7]

58. Uhhh .......... no.

That's Hannity/Beck style, not Amy Goodman or Ray McGovern's. Strange how once lauded and trusted professionals suddenly are turned into scheming liars when needed.

Pathetic.

[leftofcool]

73. Odd how Berniacs turn to Hannity/Beck/Jones for their Hillary hit pieces.

And yes, this originally came from Alex Jones.

[polly7]

74. It's a 'Democracy Now' interview with Amy Goodman. nt.

[Buzz Clik]

75. Read the OP's title. It's a lie:

He was not beaten in the auditorium. She was not smiling.

He probably was not beaten at all. He was bruised because he struggled against the behemoth who took him out of the auditorium.

If you are buying into the OP and it's bullshit.... gawd.

[polly7]

80. I'm 'buying into' McGovern's own words and my own eyes.

Now, where exactly was he 'struggling' against the behemoth? Did he throw a punch, knee the guy - what exactly did he do to deserve the bruising and blood, because I don't see that in either video clip.

Point it out.

Gawd, is right.

[Buzz Clik]

83. You have defined yourself.

Congrats.

[Bonobo]

85. Buzz Clik be bugging' out! LOL! nt

[Buzz Clik]

89. Meh. Your reputation precedes you.

And it's a bit tarnished. You're in no position to be talking about "buggin' out."

[polly7]

93. Thanks so much. I've always been proud to believe peaceful protest doesn't automatically call for

physical injury, especially when one tiny, single little word from the podium could have prevented it.

[Buzz Clik]

94. I share that belief. Unlike you and your simian friend, I am not compelled to lie to make a point.

[polly7]

97. Ooooh .......... temper, temper!

You're ignoring what you need to, and telling me that trusting my own eyes and ears make me a liar?

Not cool, especially when it involves the OBVIOUS *ing injuries to a man as a result of peacefully doing just what she was railing against in her speech for 'others'.

Sad.

[Buzz Clik]

105. No anger. Just contempt.

[polly7]

106. Right backacha.

[Buzz Clik]

107. Contempt for people who hate lying.

Good for you

[polly7]

117. No, contempt for lying and those who sink to projecting it onto others. Great! for me.

[Buzz Clik]

125. A special place is reserved for special people:

[polly7]

126. Sad to hear that .... let me know if you need me to toss down a rope. nt.

[Buzz Clik]

128. I'm hell-bound for sure, but the idea of sharing a lot in hell with you is repulsive.

(And since you are craving it -- you get the last word. Make it count)

[polly7]

130. Right backacha.

(Except I'm not going to hell for believing the words of a bruised and bloodied man, especially one who evidently is supposed to have deserved it for standing up peacefully in protest).

Anyhoo ....... I've been thinking, a rope might not help you out so much, I'll toss down a chain.

[Bonobo]

98. LOL, if "But she wasn't SMILING!!! Blaaaaarghh!!" is the best defense you can muster....

Then you have hardly established that I lied.

He was roughed up to the point that he had moderate to severe contusions on both arms.

AND Hillary went on, undisturbed, unaffected, with a half-smile on her face.

So what was the lie again?

Can you say it WITHOUT attacking me?

[Buzz Clik]

103. And he was not beaten in front of Clinton.

Such crap.

[merrily]

112. On the Democracy Now tape, he said they handled him violently.

[Buzz Clik]

116. He also claimed he was "screaming".

[merrily]

118. Blood covering the entire back of his trousers.

[merrily]

121. He was yelling.

He was commenting about a tape had just been played, on air, in his presence. There was obviously no intent to deceive anyone who had just heard the tape. Sorry the precision of his word choice was not exact, but there is not a chasm between yelling and screaming.

He also showed the bruises he could show. He said he could not show the others without removing his trousers. He seems credible enough to me. Standing silently did not merit all that.

[lame54]

96. in his own description of the event - he wasn't beaten

[Bonobo]

102. OK. He was just roughed up leaving severe contusions on both arms. Gotcha.

Wow, what a HUGE lie!

[lame54]

109. he is an elderly man...

he probably bruises very easily and his skin tears easy

they grabbed him - he resisted - they grabbed harder

the handcuffs were put on him outside - Hillary did not see this

there was no beating and bloodying in front of her - and she did not smile about the incident

if you want to talk about how it was wrong for them to eject him in the first place then start that conversation

[merrily]

114. Oh, please.

[merrily]

110. He said the entire back of his pants were bloody. Why? For standing "quietly" and turning his back

to Hillary while wearing a T Shirt that said "Veterans for Peace." He also said he was handled violently.

I never heard him say he was not beaten.

[Beacool]

136. Assuming much, aren't you?

You know what they say about assuming........

[leftofcool]

4. More right wing horseshit lies!

You should have posted this in Free Republic.

[earthside]

43. Democracy Now! is right wing?

Hillary Clinton is a cold, calculating politician and this clip is a good example.

Sorry, I don't like her; I hope she gets defeated for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

Sanders, O'Malley, Schweitzer, Webb are all preferable for me over Mrs. Clinton.

[leftofcool]

51. Sorry, this came from Alex Jones.

It is an absolute lie. I don't give a rat's ass if you like her or not. But, a lie is a lie!

[earthside]

76. Clip immediately above is from DN!

Where is the lie in the Democracy Now! report?

[merrily]

113. Democracy Now.

[lamp_shade]

7. ...

Bookmarking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. What do you mean?

[JoePhilly]

10. Because the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight sucked!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. This boars oozes irony and bathos./NT

[NYC Liberal]

11. Seriously?

[JaneyVee]

12. Beaten? Looks like he was escorted out.

What absolute bullshit.

[Buzz Clik]

23. +1

[bettyellen]

13. Important speech. Didn't see the smiling or the "beating".

Looks like you are lying. Awesome.

[JaneyVee]

16. Is OP going to respond or just troll? Even video title says dragged.

[sufrommich]

17. ......

[NCTraveler]

18. You are making Bonobo's look bad.

They are smarter than this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Simian behavior

A topic we can all enjoy.

[awoke_in_2003]

142. ...

[Orrex]

19. Because she planned to harvest his organs and thereby extend her own life.

What other reason could there possibly be?

[sufrommich]

25. lol. nt

[AuntPatsy]

20. What exactly are you hinting at...?

[Buzz Clik]

24. Awesome! At least 50% of those responding are calling out the OP as bullshit.

[lpbk2713]

34. Add me to the list.

Some people don't seem to mind how they embarrass themselves.

[m-lekktor]

70. so what. 50% of those responding are wrong.

anybody who knows how to google can read an account of the incident and see that after he was released from jail he took a cab to the hospital and had x-rays and his wounds dressed!

"It was about three hours that they held me until they let me out. I had to take a cab to the hospital where they x-ray'd me, treated me and dressed my wounds. Then the doctors told me that since this was an assault on me, I had to inform the police about who had assaulted me. A little humor helped then."

http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/94579:police-brutalize-ray-mcgovern-as-hillary-clinton-talks-free-speech

[Buzz Clik]

77. Yep. He was beaten and bloodied right there in the auditorium in front of Clinton.

The OP's video shows that claim to be a total lie.

It's bullshit. If you're selling this bullshit, too, we ain't buying.

[awoke_in_2003]

143. Bernie supporter here

and, I agree, the OP is BS

[UtahLib]

27. Someone should confiscate your dog whistle. nt

[MineralMan]

28. Because Bullshit.

As many have pointed out to you.

[justiceischeap]

29. When I saw this video in another thread (Bernie "shut up" vid), I decided to research it

Here is what I found (and you can too with a bit of google searching)

The only sites claiming that he was beaten are Alex Jones pubs and 9/11 Truther sites.


McGovern, is apparently a Truther.

McGovern believes Israel will pull U.S. into war with Iran because the reason our U.S. foreign policy is horrible is because we support Israel.

Hagel Nabs Coveted 9/11 Truther Endorsement
Rounds out support from other anti-Semites and conspiracy theorists

Noted 9/11 Truther Ray McGovern endorsed former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R., Neb.) to be President Barack Obama’s next Defense Secretary in an op-ed in the Baltimore Sun Thursday.

Mr. Obama will be offered more hare-brained schemes like that. Mr. Hagel would likely recognize them for what they are. He has “been there, done that,” having volunteered for Vietnam, with two purple hearts to prove it.

Mr. Hagel has explained his overall attitude in these words: “Committing a nation to war, asking our men and women to make sacrifices that no other Americans will ever be asked to make, is a deadly serious decision. War is not an abstraction.”

Mr. Hagel would be the first secretary of defense in 30 years with lessons learned from direct combat experience. About time, I would say. No more Ed Krukowskis sacrificed in fool’s errands, please.

McGovern—who endorsed the book 9/11 and American Empire (Vol. 1): Intellectuals Speak Out for providing “compelling evidence … that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by [the George W. Bush] administration precisely so they could be thus exploited”—has blamed Israel for problems in the Middle East and promotes the USS Liberty conspiracy theory. He delivered a speech last year on Israel and Iran that implied there was an Israeli conspiracy to deny Obama a second term. McGovern has also supported Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/hagel-nabs-coveted-911-truther-endorsement/

I have to wonder what Mr. McGovern's current thoughts on Jade Helm 15 are.

[Bonobo]

35. President Obama has stopped people from being escorted out in similar situations. Now THAT is class.

Hillary? Not so much.

[leftofcool]

38. You have been called on your lie

Nice that you rely on Alex Jones for your info.

[Buzz Clik]

39. Your OP is crap.

Defending reflects very badly on you.

[JoePhilly]

41. Hillary is strong!! Obama is a weak appeaser!!!!

But hey ... I figure if we're going to use RW tactics, we should go all in.

[seabeyond]

46. cant pull back on a lie?

[Bonobo]

48. I should ask you for advice. nt

[DURHAM D]

67. Yes you should.

You post a lie and when caught resort to a personal attack on one person in the thread. Says a lot about you.

[Bonobo]

69. What was the lie, Chief? nt

[Buzz Clik]

124. You have to ask advice about lying out your ass?

Take this as standing advice, applicable to all circumstances: don't fucking lie.

[polly7]

50. What lie?

He was bruised all to shit and talked of how his pants were covered in blood in his interview with Amy Goodman the next day. Did she have her staff create the bruises and urge him to lie about the blood?

Where's the lie?

[leftofcool]

52. And he was debunked, period!

[polly7]

54. Who was debunked, McGovern??? nt.

[leftofcool]

57. He was not beaten, he was dragged out, period!

The same thing has happened in several Obama speeches. Hillary did not smile while some dumbass was being beaten. It is horseshit plain and simple. If you want to buy into Alex Jones BS, go ahead.

[polly7]

62. Sorry, I've worked in EMS too long I guess ....... when I

see so many bruises with my own eyes and hear of enough blood to drench someone's pants, I just automatically think assault.

Horseshit, is denying that yes ........ an elderly man was dragged out so forcefully he was physically injured - for what? Standing up and turning his back ...... awwies, how insulting.

[ucrdem]

66. He's Bushler CIA and reported personally to poppy. nt

[Bonobo]

68. Polly, are they actually claiming all the contusions on his arms were falsified?

Or are they justifying it based on their dislike of the elderly man's politics?

[polly7]

71. Who the * knows.

Maybe a little of both?, regardless, it's sickening.

[JTFrog]

141. Not when it's about a woman. n/t

[Blue_Adept]

37. Perfect example of agenda driven posting.

Or, basically, attempt to smear.

[Bonobo]

42. I can see I struck a sore spot.

Perhaps McGovern was not beaten, but he was roughed up.

And President Obama HAS in fact allowed others to protest during his speech and encouraged that they not be physically removed like animals.

And Hillary was smiling and pretending like it wasn't happening.

She clearly did not know how to handle the situation.

Nope, not a lie. Certainly less a lie than saying that Bernie Sanders told a person to shut up for asking about Israel. Now that is a vicious anti-semitic lie.

[justiceischeap]

45. And Ray McGovern believes all of America's woes are because of Israel

Speaking of anti-semitic lies. And it's quite obvious McGovern wasn't "eaten" since we've seen him after the fact. Now you're claiming Hillary Clinton is a cannibal.

[ucrdem]

47. Daily briefer of GHW Bush per Democracy Now.

Lovely show, where neocon spooks get TLC as long as they make Dems look bad.

[LanternWaste]

65. I tell myself the same thing too when I want to pretend I'm clever.

I tell myself the same thing too when I want to pretend I'm clever.

[workinclasszero]

56. Lie

Is this freakrepublic????

[Bonobo]

60. What's the lie?

Would you accept roughed up as a description?

Did Hillary smile and keep speaking?

[Buzz Clik]

79. The title of your OP is a lie. Period.

Don't try to defend it. Your own video show it.

Fucking pathetic.

[Bonobo]

84. Guy was beaten or roughed up. She ignored it. Not cool or presidential.

Not someone I would want to vote for.

No lie. She had at least half a smile on.

[SidDithers]

59. ...

Keep trying.

Sid

[JEB]

72. She was smiling to hide her fear,

not of the man himself, but of the truth he was attempting to interject.

[Buzz Clik]

78. She wasn't smiling at all.

What crap.

[JEB]

81. Kind of a Mona Lisa smile, but still a smile.

[Buzz Clik]

82. Maybe a vertical smile from behind.

[JEB]

86. She certainly wasn't pleased. She's saving the real warm smiles for

her pal Henry Kissinger

[Buzz Clik]

91. I heard they are lovers.

[Bonobo]

87. That's how I saw it. nt

[Buzz Clik]

92. Yeah. To the surprise of no one.

[NCTraveler]

99. She wasn't smiling.

But you know that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. ...

[Buzz Clik]

95. +1

A classic case of bonobo being bonobo.

It's a tired routine, but it gets him a lot of attention.

[boston bean]

100. ...

[NCTraveler]

101. I literally loled. nt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

104. More levity

[NCTraveler]

108. What I see there......

Is Bonobo's reenactment of Clintons actions in the video. Amazing stage presence an nailed the part. I can barely tell any difference between the video in the op and the reenactment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Bonobo is a funny guy...I have no problem with this thread...

It is unintentionally funny.

[Dem2]

115. So we are to attack one Democrat to prop up another?

And it's OK "because the other side does it"?

Huh.

[Nye Bevan]

119. If you think that guy was "beaten", I guess you have never taken a beating.

And as for the smile, possibly he yelled something that was inappropriate but amusing, and Hillary could not help smiling in spite of herself, prior to the guy being ejected?

[Sheepshank]

122. PATHETIC, lying, hair on fire, misleading OP...aren't you embarassed? n/t

[Buzz Clik]

123. Embarrassed? That would be a "no." Envigorated? Oh, hell yes!!!!111one

[Sheepshank]

127. I can imagine being envigorated at *thinking* the OP found one more dig against a Dem Candidate

...but then so few falling for the lie and vociferously stating so, I imagine would cause a level of embarassment.

Couldn't help but check out the short list of reccers.....no too surprised at all there either.

[Buzz Clik]

129. A little disappointed by Skippy's rec. Otherwise... meh.

[NCTraveler]

131. Kick. nt.

[quickesst]

132. I've been wondering

... Do anti Hillary people get their talking points from the Republicans, or do the Republicans get their talking points from the anti Hillary people? Hard to tell. I'm just an observer, lurker if you will, but occasionally I do need some clarification on certain aspects of this exchange. Just difficult for me to believe that both factions dialogue so closely parallel each other by chance. I guess it could happen.

[Beacool]

137. I think that it's a little of both.

That's why I keep repeating that DU and Free Republic are different sides of the same coin. They are on the fringes of their respective parties and, if they don't like a politician, anything goes. Whether what they post is true or not seems to be unimportant.

[quickesst]

139. to be honest...

... I really don't think Bernie would care much for this kind of support. They should probably slow down a bit. If they don't there won't be any deep ends left to jump off of when the primary gets here. You know, burnout.

[Cali_Democrat]

133. Beating?

I see no beating. Are you implying she likes to smile and people getting fictitiously beaten?

What on Earth are you talking about?

[Metric System]

134. I heard that after she was done speaking she got in a few punches herself. Hey, since we're just

making shit up anyway...

[Beacool]

135. Seriously?

How low are the anti-Hillary posts going to get on this site? Or should that be a rhetorical question?

She did what any professional would do, she continued with her speech. It wasn't her State Dept. security team who dragged McGovern out of the room, it was the university's security people who evicted him.

Do you honestly think that someone on a podium, with spotlights on them, could have actually seen the details of what's going on in the audience? Ever been on a stage? It's hard to see anything besides the first few rows.

[L0oniX]

138. The beatings will continue until everyone agrees to vote for (insert name here).

[REP]

140. Because she demanded he be beaten for her amusement.

Then she had a satisfying lunch of deep-fried babies and puppies, wiping her mouth daintily on a harp seal napkin.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

144. This thread won't be complete until Sid posts in it.

Wait, he did, never mind...

[Hekate]

145. Shame on you, Bonobo. You should delete your lie. nt

[Bonobo]

146. Should I post photos of the bruises? nt

[uppityperson]

147. He wasn't. She didn't. EOM

[A-Schwarzenegger]

148. Is this a pro-Bernie post?

[NCTraveler]

149. Kick. nt.