How Bible-Thumpers Can Rethink Same-Sex Marriage In One Simple Chart

[kpete]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/06/how-bible-thumpers-can-rethink-same-sex-marriage-in-one-simple-chart-image/

[underpants]

1. Bad News, Slappy

[hifiguy]

18. That broke me up, too.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Read the paperwork. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[Omar4Dems]

3. Third choice: ignore the entire chart

That's how they do it.

[Initech]

13. Or treat the Bible as a "Choose Your Own Adventure" novel.

That's how most fundies operate.

[cleanhippie]

16. But there lies the problem...

It ain't just the fundies that do it.

[cleanhippie]

4. Unfortunately, this kind of cherry-picking and hypocrisy is not limited to bible-thumpers.

Most believers of a religion pick and choose from their holy texts what they will and will not adhere to. And then perform Olympic-quality mental gymnastics in order to rationalize it.

For many such examples, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

[el_bryanto]

6. Yep that religion forum is a total waste of time.

I don't know why anybody bothers with it.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

7. My use of the Religion forum was simply as an example of a place to see said cherry-picking

I'm sure a search of your posts while an active Religion forum poster (and more recently in religion themed GD posts) would reveal the same. You and I have actually discussed this very topic in the past (which I'd like to avoid repeating)

You aren't saying you're immune from the cherry-picking and rationalizing of your faith, are you?

[el_bryanto]

11. Of course you'd like to avoid repeating that

It would reveal the shallowness of your understanding of religion.

But just so we are clear - when we talk about cherry-picking and rationalization of faith - the way this particular game works is this. You set yourself up as the arbitrator on what Christians (or other faiths) are suppose to believe and how they are supposed to practice their faith. You then accuse them of rationalization or cherry-picking when they fail to live up what you've determined they are supposed to believe in.

See when I am interested in other faiths, as has happened often enough, I try to go to the practitioners of that faith and see what they believe in; but then again I'm genuinely interested, not just looking for lines of attack.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

12. Wait, you pick and choose what you want to accept and believe from your faith

in order to help you rationalize the sheer absurdity of it all and I'M the shallow one?




You are right, el B, I do not want to hear you repeat this same nonsense yet again.

[el_bryanto]

14. Then why do you and others insist on dragging it out into the General Discussion?

I'd be happy if I never had to post on religion again - I would have let this one go as well - but then you have to pop up and make it clear that it's all believers not just fundamentalists.

Also that's a pretty dishonest way of restating what I said - but, oh well. Par for the course.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

15. Wait, are you saying that most, if not all believers, DON'T cherry-pick their faith?

Yes, El B, even you do it.

[el_bryanto]

19. It's not for you to decide

I don't know why you set yourself up as the expert on whether or not people are living their faith. But I suppose you must find some benefit to pretending to be an expert on religion.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

20. It's not opinion, it's fact.

But hey, you believe whatever you want to.

[el_bryanto]

21. I suppose we all have our personal delusions. Some more than others. nt

[cleanhippie]

22. It's easy to speak for yourself, El B.

Not everyone else shares your attributes.


But you, a believer in the supernatural, tellling another they are deluded?




That's a good one El B.

[el_bryanto]

23. On the other hand I don't go around pretending to know everything

about things I clearly know very little about. I also don't go around telling everybody else how they should live their life.

But then again I don't have your mastery of the smiley - everybody has their weaknesses.

Bryant

[cleanhippie]

25. Is that really the best you can do?

Seems like you're too afraid of a jury to say what's really on your mind.




Weak sauce, el B, weak sauce.

You have a nice day.

[el_bryanto]

27. You are a funny guy - but no, I see no purpose to being banned from DU. nt

[randys1]

26. Because GD is where most life is lived in real life. We have to drag you religious

folks out into the real world once in a while, dont we?

If religion didnt infect and screw up EVERY facet of our lives, like it does, then we could leave you alone

[el_bryanto]

28. I suppose I take more of a live and let live attitude. nt

[randys1]

29. the very essence of all religion is the exact opposite of that

[el_bryanto]

30. A gross generalization - but that's fine - I note that you and Clean Hippie

are the ones in the converting business in this particular conversation, not myself.

Bryant

[randys1]

31. Good one, i also dont believe in leprechauns, can I convert you there too?

Is your comment about not going around pretending to know things you dont a reference to an atheist who can say there is no more proof of the existence of god as there is leprechauns?

Do you think that FACT makes me someone who pretends to know something they cant know?

[el_bryanto]

32. No it's a reference to someone who sets themself up as an expert in religion

Then tells believers - "Either you believe this or you are cherry picking your faith and basically being a hypocrite." You would probably have figured that out for yourself if you had read the discussion, but you are probably a busy person.

There's no proof for the existence of God and if you are more comfortable not believing in him that's fine.

Bryant

[trotsky]

24. But when liberal believers cherry-pick, they do it because they know those are the TRUE parts.

Because they've read the scripture and let the spirit and their heart guide them.

As opposed to the conservatives, who do it because they know THEIR parts are the true parts, and because they've read the scripture and let the spirit and their heart guide them.

Totally different.

[sarisataka]

5. Awesome

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

No stones- I love bacon!

[TlalocW]

8. I love the

"Thanks! It's a tattoo of Jesus eating bacon!" part.

TlalocW

[lame54]

9. if i'm not going to read my iTunes agreement...

i'm certainly not going to read the whole bible

[whatthehey]

10. To be honest, this would concern very few fundies even

By no means all, but most of them know where the old laws are found and are comfortable saying JC did away with all that and started a new covenant. The vast majority will refer you to Romans rather than Leviticus for biblical evidence for Yahweh-sanctioned homophobia.

And no, despite what revisionists and supposedly nicer gentler believers pretend, arsenkoitoi doesn't refer only to temple prostitutes, but just men who sleep with men.

The biblical argument against this is a bit more subtle, and unfortunately flies in the face of a couple thousand years of precedent in the faithful accepting Paul as a kind of Judaean Billy May style mouthpiece for JC. But since he never met the man, I'm a bit suspicious of how he got all the Christly lowdown, and why it strangely seemed to always match with what he wanted in the first place.

[hifiguy]

17. That is a keeper!