It is not OK to shoot anyone ever other than self defense or defense of others, absolutely.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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Even if 200 men dressed up in white hoods and sheets, walked up to a black 4 yr old child, surrounded him with all 200, and yelled the N word at him repeatedly, yelling and yelling.


No shooting, at all.

Public shaming of the 200 assholes would be completely OK and actually necessary., but nobody is to get shot.

Right?

If the nazi group KKK or other nazi group brought photos of the dead from Auschwitz and threw them in the face of Jewish people and laughed and yelled "fuck you Jew bastards" or whatever words they would use

NO SHOOTING at all, none.

But yes, they would need be to shamed.

Just like if someone went out of their way to CREATE violence by having pictures of a religious leader, NO SHOOTING AT ALL

but yes to shaming of the person who created the environment where shooting could or did happen.

Simple, really.

[Vattel]

1. or other-defense

[uppityperson]

2. What do you mean? Thank you for clarifying.

[Vattel]

3. I agree with the op except one can sometimes justifiably

shoot someone in defense of another person (other-defense). It doesn't have to be in defense of oneself (self-defense).

[uppityperson]

4. Thank you.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. It's interesting that people make up these scenarios of public abuse of a minority as if such events

were somehow unknown or uncommon in our culture. As if Westboro Baptists hounding hundreds of LGBT events, mostly funerals, for several years and in all 50 States went unnoticed or that the fact that Westboro was 'religious' exempts them from criticism for doing what they did.
And the history is very stark. They carried on like that for years with hardly a peep out of any segment of straight America, which only responded when Westboro expanded to Veteran's funerals.

The fact that we did not react with violence to Phelps does not mean what he did was not provocative, it just means we dealt with it like thinking people.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

7. Best example, protect their right to be TOTAL ASSHOLES but shaming them is so important

[Bluenorthwest]

9. But no one thinks of this example because the same people blowing a gasket about Geller did

nothing to respond to Phelps for years and years and hundreds of attacks taken right to our sanctuaries. This is very telling. Many of these people also excuse and defend anti gay hate speech out of other religious figures, anti gay violence and public verbal attacks of the worst kind are daily events in the news, DU yawns at them. That's the fact. DU is not consistently opposed to baiting speech, Rick Warren was the Inaugural minister for Obama days after he equated LGBT relationships to pedophilia and incest and various criminal behaviors. DU supported Rick Warren praying at that national event.
So if straight folks could arrange for all of their Popes and preachers to stop public denigration of LGBT people and instead go home and draw satirical comics about Harvey Milk that would be fine with me and a great improvement. See what I mean?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

10. I see...

[Hoyt]

6. A lot of times, so-called self-defense ain't justified either.

[Nye Bevan]

8. Disagree.

Say cops corner a known serial killer who has murdered several people. He shoots and kills and/or injures some of the cops and starts to make his getaway. One of the injured cops is on the ground but reaches for his weapon and has a clear shot at the guy in the back as he is running away. Would you argue that this cop should not shoot the serial killer, even though this would not be self-defense?