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Fri May 8, 2015, 07:26 AM

Edward Snowden is a hero. Crimes by our government against us

extend even beyond the illegal collection of metadata. We live in a sweeping corporate surveillance state whose capabilities are unrivaled by any totalitarian government of the past.

There are two reasons for a monstrous surveillance state:

1) Total information awareness FOR PROFIT,
and
2) A surveillance state to crush resistance by those being exploited FOR PROFIT.


Snowden is a national hero, and he has given us perhaps our only chance to end the subversion of our democratic government by criminals.


The Creepy, Long-Standing Practice of Undersea Cable Tapping
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023277224

What is the NSA really for? (Corporate power and suppression of dissent)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024215519

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

Corporate Espionage and the Secret War Against Citizen Activism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111643982

NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023923016

Keiser Report: CIA, NSA & Economic Espionage (E498) (second half with Greg Palast)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017146372

Spooky Business: Corporate Espionage Against Non-profits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024106205

NSA data could be most useful for connected types on Wall Street.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983519

NSA spied on EU's Anti Trust Chief
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024204596

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

Obama administration complicit with private prison industry: President Obama's IncarcerNation
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
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FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
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FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
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Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

Kiriakou and Stuxnet: the danger of the still-escalating Obama whistleblower war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

Social Media and the Stasi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

Homeland Security Wants to More Than Double Its Predator Drone Fleet Inside the US, Despite Safety/Privacy Invasions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

Meet the Contractors Turning America's Police Into a Paramilitary Force
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025225549

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
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U.S. Plunges in Global Press Freedom Rankings As Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024488178

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014549454

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x536574

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101613051

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401662

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025030391

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans
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Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023337088

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023125853

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)
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PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/55928/pbs-frontline-exposes-softly-bushs-and-obamas-authorization-and-coverup-of-nsa-illegal-surveillance-of-

Stopping police militarization = confronting corporate politicians (increased under Obama)
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Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments
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Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
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James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232435/-Rachel-Maddow-on-David-Miranda-and-the-White-House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6380567

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change
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Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.
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Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
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"My Head Exploded When Obama Sanctimoniously Said, 'We Tortured Some Folks'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025339047

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/further-legitimizing-targeted-assassinations-by-drones/

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
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President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)
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Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee
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Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
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DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
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Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
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DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369
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Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans
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DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships
http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html

The DoJ under Obama/Holder refused to prosecute anyone for torture...but Holder had no problem prosecuting a CIA agent who leaked the name of a torturer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727

Heavy Redactions in DOJ Memo leave doubts on Data Surveillance Program
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180

DOJ's outrageously aggressive prosecution of internet activist, Aaron Swartz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Third Way Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

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Reply Edward Snowden is a hero. Crimes by our government against us (Original post)
woo me with science May 2015 OP
Scuba May 2015 #1
Rockyj May 2015 #41
stonecutter357 May 2015 #2
Demeter May 2015 #4
Cali_Democrat May 2015 #35
hueymahl May 2015 #11
Dustlawyer May 2015 #17
sabrina 1 May 2015 #15
nashville_brook May 2015 #27
KG May 2015 #28
Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #3
woo me with science May 2015 #5
Fuddnik May 2015 #6
Cali_Democrat May 2015 #37
Octafish May 2015 #7
woo me with science May 2015 #38
Thespian2 May 2015 #8
sabrina 1 May 2015 #16
Thespian2 May 2015 #31
woo me with science May 2015 #48
sabrina 1 May 2015 #49
AzDar May 2015 #9
TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #10
d_legendary1 May 2015 #19
TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #20
rhett o rick May 2015 #32
Enthusiast May 2015 #12
hueymahl May 2015 #13
SamKnause May 2015 #14
zeemike May 2015 #18
navarth May 2015 #21
BeanMusical May 2015 #22
WillyT May 2015 #23
Cryptoad May 2015 #24
rhett o rick May 2015 #33
Cryptoad May 2015 #39
rhett o rick May 2015 #40
Cryptoad May 2015 #45
rhett o rick May 2015 #46
Cryptoad May 2015 #47
JEB May 2015 #25
cstanleytech May 2015 #26
Blue_Tires May 2015 #29
Octafish May 2015 #30
gratuitous May 2015 #36
Logical May 2015 #34
bananas May 2015 #42
Logical May 2015 #44
bananas May 2015 #43

Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 07:28 AM

1. K&R for the sad, sad truth.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Sat May 9, 2015, 02:05 AM

41. My heart use to ache...

until after I realized WE were TRULY lied to by Obama & the Neo-liberalism version of the the DEMOCRATIC PARTY! http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376
WE now know all a long he was owned by Wall Street just as the Bushes & Clinton's!
Sadly PROGRESSIVES FELL FOR HIS BS & I think of him as bad relationship where deep down the woman knows he will never commit but will accept crumbs just to keep the relationship going.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 07:44 AM

2. hyperbolic nonsense.

Hopefully Snowden will stand trial for his crimes.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Fri May 8, 2015, 07:50 AM

4. Crime? Against Whom?

 

What person has Edward Snowden injured? And don't call the illegal Police State or the would-be enslaving Corporation a person, please!

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Response to Demeter (Reply #4)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:35 PM

35. Then Snowden has nothing to fear coming home and facing a jury.

 

He committed no crimes.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:30 AM

11. Very Trollish

Drive-by pot shot, no content.

Versus about as complete and thorough an indictment as one could craft.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #11)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:51 AM

17. I believe some were/are paid trolls used to divert attention from the actual spying and

have it focused on the one who leaked it. Call me Captain Obvious, but it needs to be repeated. The story quickly focused on Snowden and away from the spying, it was pretty clear to those who bother to think. Because we allowed the narrative to change we all but guaranteed to quash future whistle blowers from blowing the whistle.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:46 AM

15. If facts become 'hyberbolic nonsense' we will be in an Orwellian nightmare. But surprisingly

despite all the propaganda and scare tactics we have been subjected to, in an attempt to create a world where war criminals and economic criminals are either 'just immoral, not criminal' or 'patriots under pressure' while honest, ethical men and women of character are the bad guys, the American People STILL are not buying it.

Snowden is viewed as a Whistle Blower, not the criminal our government has tried to paint him, by a majority of the American people, and a hero to many around the world.

And another post that refutes NOTHING in the OP, mainly because it is irrefutable information and the truth doesn't change.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Fri May 8, 2015, 11:11 AM

27. awwww...authoritarians have a sad.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #2)

Fri May 8, 2015, 11:25 AM

28. hyperbolic sock puppet.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 07:45 AM

3. He ought to receive a full pardon...

 

or at least a promise of leniency

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #3)

Fri May 8, 2015, 07:55 AM

5. Hell, he ought to receive



a monument on the National Mall.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:00 AM

6. Along with the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

Maybe the one they gave George Tenat.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #5)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:38 PM

37. LOL

 

It would be very cool if he had a monument in DC.

Maybe we can put it next to the Lincoln memorial...or what about the MLK memorial?

Lincoln, MLK and.......Snowden.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:03 AM

7. The Goal of Wholesale Surveillance



The goal of wholesale surveillance, [font color="green"]as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” [/font color]And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.

Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy

Thank you for another outstanding OP, woo me with science. KBR.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #7)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:06 PM

38. Thank you!

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:04 AM

8. Take a while to read all these again...

Progressives should be extremely supportive of Edward Snowden's revelations...Any program that truly helps the people should be able to withstand the sunlight...not grow with mushrooms in a cave...

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Response to Thespian2 (Reply #8)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:49 AM

16. Fortunatey progressives are supportive of Snowden and al the other Whistle Blowers going back to

Drake during the Bush hears.

And the good news is that despite every attempt to paint these whistle blowers as criminals, a majority of the American people and all over the world, still are not buying it.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Fri May 8, 2015, 04:59 PM

31. Yes, I agree

Thanks.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Sun May 10, 2015, 08:42 PM

48. +10000000000



The propaganda does not fly anymore. Partly because it is so obviously lying propaganda.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #48)

Mon May 11, 2015, 12:27 AM

49. It's getting harder for them for sure. What was revealed is what people are interested

in, how their rights are being violated, not in the messenger other than to be thankful there are people like Snowden, courageous enough to stand up when it is needed.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:08 AM

9. K & R

 

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:26 AM

10. "Snowden is a national hero"

 

delusional... most Americans don't even know who he is.

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #10)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:07 AM

19. Sure they do. According to the MSM he's they guy who turned traitor/hero

Well...depending who which talking head show you watch.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #19)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:10 AM

20. The average American doesn't even know who the Vice President is...

 

and you think they know who Snowden is?

that's funny!

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Response to TerrapinFlyer (Reply #20)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:25 PM

32. Does it bother you when someone dares to speak out against the Oligarch Authority?

 

Often heroes are not well known.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:35 AM

12. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

I like this. "We live in a sweeping corporate surveillance state whose capabilities are unrivaled by any totalitarian government of the past."

Unrivaled. The United States used to warn us about the East German Stasi. The Stasi was bad. No doubt. But the surveillance capabilities were nowhere near what the NSA routinely does to ordinary, innocent American citizens. And remember, the United States is not supposed to have a totalitarian government.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:37 AM

13. Thank you for the list

A sad, sad obituary of liberal thought and freedom. I can only hope we can get it back.

The hawks among us, Dem and Repug alike, love to say "Freedom isn't Free." They usually say that as an excuse to start another war. But what it really means is you can't sit on your ass and trust your leaders not to abuse power. Never, not in the entire history of mankind, has greater governmental power over its citizens led to greater freedom.

We must fight to maintain our rights, or see them washed away, be it in a great flood, or more likely, by steady erosion over time by fear and greed.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 08:44 AM

14. K&R

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:03 AM

18. Thanks for the extensive list.

Book marking it for future reference...and to K&R it.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:12 AM

21. kick for Ed Snowden.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 09:19 AM

22. Kick and R.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 10:00 AM

23. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 




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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 10:04 AM

24. No warrants for any crimes concerning this have been issued except

warrants for the arrest of teh traitor Comrade Snowden! too bad the facts do not support your BS

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #24)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:28 PM

33. Sadly you side with the Oligarch Authority. Snowden is a hero for the 99% and Gen Clapper is a hero

 

for the Oligarchy.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #33)

Fri May 8, 2015, 11:49 PM

39. Not a matter of "siding",,,, just the facts

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #39)

Sat May 9, 2015, 12:08 AM

40. Let's take a look at your logic. You say "just the facts", which first of all would be a little

 

audacious for you to think that you have been blessed with recognizing the "facts". None of which you've proven yourself but you believe in someone else's "facts". It's understandable that one needs to choose a side, but you choose the side of authoritarianism to believe. You choose the side of the NSA/CIA Black State that has an unlimited budget and no oversight.

I choose the side of skepticism. I believe that with an unlimited budget and no oversight that the NSA/CIA Black State would do whatever they can get away with.

I think that those that despise whistle-blowers, journalist, and protestors, do so because they live in the denial that their chosen authoritarian gods will be good to them. Gen Clapper might use his unlimited power for goodness if we are lucky, but in doing so, he may nullify our liberties and freedoms. Authoritarians are willing to give up their freedoms and liberties for the promise of a little security. They are fools.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #40)

Sat May 9, 2015, 10:48 AM

45. Good for you

All that ,,, still doesn't explain the lack of warrants ,,,,,,, seems you have a problem separating facts and opinion,, in such case it would be wise not to try to apply your logic.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #45)

Sat May 9, 2015, 11:00 AM

46. You haven't shown us that your facts are more than just your opinion. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #46)

Sat May 9, 2015, 12:47 PM

47. I have searched and found no warrants,,,,,,,

concerning this matter therefore I claim there is none....... but if you know of some please share with the rest of us. Hard for to show you thingys that don't exist. Your logic is becoming much more and more clearer to me. but I understand how hard it is to defend a position that is not supported by any Truth.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 10:09 AM

25. K&R&bookmark

 

Thanks for the excellent compilation.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 10:29 AM

26. I disagree that he is a hero OP but I respect your right to have the opinion that he is. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 12:45 PM

29. I've got some links of my own here, if you got the stones to peruse them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026515387

You've got to tally the bad with the good...

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 01:44 PM

30. Kick for the Constitution.

Kick for Justice.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #30)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:37 PM

36. Oh, that quaint old document?

No, see, all those so-called rights? There's an invisible "Escape Clause Amendment" that reads, "None of this is any good if we're really scared, or if the right people want We the People to be scared." That's why you libruls get confused about all that "due process" and "probable cause" stuff. It's of no force or effect if there's enough PH34R.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri May 8, 2015, 05:34 PM

34. Prosense is not here any more to defend the NSA and rip Snowden. Darn it!

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #34)

Sat May 9, 2015, 02:31 AM

42. What happened to him? nt

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Response to bananas (Reply #42)

Sat May 9, 2015, 09:59 AM

44. Just left I heard. Or taking a break. Nothing bad. nt

 

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Sat May 9, 2015, 02:32 AM

43. k&r for the night crowd. nt

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