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Wed May 9, 2012, 11:13 AM

The religious right is America's radical Islam.

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Reply The religious right is America's radical Islam. (Original post)
mmonk May 2012 OP
The Magistrate May 2012 #1
fascisthunter May 2012 #2
dmallind May 2012 #3
mmonk May 2012 #4
dmallind May 2012 #7
hifiguy May 2012 #9
dmallind May 2012 #14
arthritisR_US May 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #15
mmonk May 2012 #19
ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #21
mmonk May 2012 #25
mmonk May 2012 #26
ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #6
dmallind May 2012 #10
ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #22
mmonk May 2012 #11
Uncle Joe May 2012 #16
hifiguy May 2012 #8
Uncle Joe May 2012 #12
mmonk May 2012 #20
malaise May 2012 #13
Justpat May 2012 #17
get the red out May 2012 #18
white_wolf May 2012 #24
white_wolf May 2012 #23

Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:13 AM

1. True, Sir

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:17 AM

2. yes it is

 

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:20 AM

3. No. It's their radical Christianity

I understand you are using Islam as a metaphor here, and it makes sense in that context, but we'll never do anthing to turn the RR around our cut their support among those who can still be reached if we are not willing to say, let alone address, that this idiocy comes not from an alien religion but from the majority religion here.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #3)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:21 AM

4. Radical Islam wants an Islamic state.

Radical Christianity wants a Christian state. What is the difference?

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Response to mmonk (Reply #4)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:59 AM

7. The nature of the state they want of course, and why they want it

There are many theological and observational differences, from bigamy to bacon and from tawhid to trinitarian. They are no more motivated by the same things and seeking the same things than totalitarian fascism and communism. Both would be totalitarian regimes, but with different intent and different natures. Same for the two theocracies.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #7)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:03 PM

9. There are differences in the details, bit the Xtian Dominionists

 

have stated that being gay should be a capital crime, as should adultery. Who do you think is behind the Xtian lunatics in Uganda that are pushing this agenda? That's right, Dominionists from the US.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

14. Well policy towards gays is far more of a detail than theology really

There would of course be similarities, especially against "sinners". But you cannot fight Christian theocracy by, for example, invoking the bid'ah of your opponents. Just as you cannot fight Islamic theocracy by citing the words of Jesus that contradict the OT. The two are related obviously, but must be countered and diminished in very different ways.

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:52 AM

5. I think that is a fair assessment. nt

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Response to arthritisR_US (Reply #5)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:15 PM

15. Certainly the racial attribution is incorrect

Prop H8 and the turmoil in both the Episcopal and Methodist churches have clearly shown anti gay bias is far from being just a white issue

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #15)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:22 PM

19. While true, the religious right is generally attributed to whites

and whites control much of society in spite of our president. Your comments are duly noted and noticed however and I'm white.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #19)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:58 PM

21. It is an incorrect generalization

As with Prop H8 and the church issues I referenced, it wasn't white conservative who made the difference.

Still waiting on the results from North Carolina.

...and I am black, and quite troubled by the religious conservatism that is in many parts of the African American community.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #21)

Wed May 9, 2012, 03:37 PM

25. I understand and noticed.

But it is they who have the microphone. But yes, the success of Amendment One also lays at many AA churches in NC and I am a witness to that. My purpose is to get people to think. Who shares certain values and who does not? The religious right shares values with radical Islam who want to institute laws and persecution against gays in the name of religion.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #21)

Wed May 9, 2012, 03:39 PM

26. BTW, I changed the OP.

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 11:54 AM

6. Incorrect by at least an order of magnitude

Some may find your sound bite title attractive but it does not hold up to serious scrutiny. Being openly gay in the Bible Belt will clearly make life harder. In an Islamic nation it will get you killed. While I do not approve of either, to conflate the two as equal risks to a civilized society is specious. The vote in North Carolina outraged all of us but that is not justifaction for such hyperbole

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:04 PM

10. I think your mistake is in considering what is, not what is desired

There ARE Islamic theocracies. We are, as yet, holding out against American Christian theocracy. But if you think it would not kill gays (who are not killed in, say, Turkey as a matter of political policy either) just as readily as the Islamist (not -ic) states given half the chance, then you're not paying attention to the often quite explicit desires of Christianist agitators.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #10)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:02 PM

22. With the exception of a few really hardcore...most of the xtians I know do not want to stone

gays. There were (may still be there) videos on YouTube of people being stoned to death in the name of islam.

The xtians want us to be quiet, stay in the closet, not insist on full acceptance or rights, but with the exception of certain well know fringe groups, they are not threatening our lives.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:04 PM

11. Dehumanization preceeds killing.

Without one, you don't end up with the other.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:17 PM

16. Religious extremism isn't static, should extremist Christianity get its' wish of turning the U.S.

into a theocracy all bets are off.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002657471

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, a Fox News contributor, tea party activist and personal friend of Sean Hannity’s said in a sermon recently published to YouTube that America’s greatest mistake was allowing women the right to vote, adding that back in “the good old days, men knew that women are crazy and they knew how to deal with them.”



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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:01 PM

8. A perfect analogy.

 

And the difference between the Shari'a law the mouthbreathers are so afraid of and the "biblical" law promoted by the dominionists is so small that you can't squeeze a molecule between them. Both are Iron Age barbarism.

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, mmonk.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #12)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:23 PM

20. You're welcome as always.

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:11 PM

13. 100% correct n/t

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:18 PM

17. Pretty much sums it up..



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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:20 PM

18. No shit!

I've always thought they hate radical Islam so much because they hold power in several countries and it makes them VERY jealous.

They have theocracy-envy.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #18)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:14 PM

24. They are just jealous the Muslims beat them to it.

I swear, I think that's why a lot fundies hate the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church used to rule Europe, Funides, right now, can only dream of that power.

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Response to mmonk (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:13 PM

23. I took a lot of heat in another post for saying something similar...

Anyone who thinks that Christian Domionists will be any less cruel or violent than their Muslim counterparts is blind. I took a lot of heat in another post for saying that Christianity has the potential to be just as violent and oppressive as Islam, but I stand by that claim. Let these Christian Reconstructionists gain power and see how long it takes us to start executing people of different faiths, gay people, adulterers, etc. The founder of the movement, Rousas John Rushdoony, does not even bother to hide his goals. In "The Institutes of the Biblical Law" he openly calls for the restoring of Mosaic Law.

The Family is a very powerful Christan Reconstuctionist group and they hold power in virtually every level of government and both Democrats and Republicans are part of their group. They are the ones who host the National Prayer Breakfast every year and every President since Eisenhower had attended.

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