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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:36 AM May 2015

Geert Wilders, the champion of ‘free speech’, wants to ban the Koran in Holland

A mass shooting tragedy may have been averted late on Sunday, when two gunmen were killed in Garland, Tex., outside an exhibition for drawings of the prophet Muhammad. The two men apparently had hoped to kill attendees, but after they shot an unarmed security guard, police officers returned fire.

In an e-mail to The Washington Post, Pamela Geller, an anti-Islam activist who organized the event, blamed "Islamic jihadis" who were "determined to suppress our freedom of speech violently." That sentiment was echoed on Twitter by another high-profile, if seemingly out-of-place, guest: the Dutch politician Geert Wilders.


It may seem odd that a Dutch politician was attending an event in Texas, but Wilders has long been an ally of Geller. As far back as 2010, he was attending rallies organized by the native New Yorker against a proposed Muslim community center near the site of the World Trade Center. Along with Geller, he was one of the organizers of Sunday's event and had presented a check to one attendee for his drawing of Muhammad.

Yet while the presence of Wilders -- an elected member of the Dutch parliament and the leader of the fourth-largest party in the Netherlands -- may seem like a legitimizing factor for a clearly controversial event, Wilders's involvement is more complicated than that. For one thing, the Dutch MP might be standing up for free speech in Texas, but in his native Netherlands, he has repeatedly called for the Koran to be banned.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/05/04/geert-wilders-the-champion-of-free-speech-in-texas-wants-to-ban-the-koran-in-holland/

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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Fascists always want "rights" only for their own cult-like views, right Pam? See the problem?
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:49 AM
May 2015

In America the Christofascists want "Sharia-law" banned and are convinced there are "no-go" zones..same cretin and cult like self created fears. Pandering to these idiots should be made a crime against the feeble minded. Provocateurs are not victims.


The first thing a cult will tell you is everyone else is wrong. Not heroes of anything, just everyday bigots and haters, some with more than a touch of megalomania.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
2. And free speech heroine Pam Geller led a failed effort to ban Al Jazeera ...
Fri May 8, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

from broadcasting in the US. When I see posters claiming she is some kind of !st Amendment champion I don't know whether to or .

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
3. No one thinks Wilders or Geller is a champion of free speech
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:05 PM
May 2015

The 1st Amendment (free speech) PROTECTS their right to say the ridiculous things they do. They are not "champions" of the Amendment, they merely benefit from the protections it provides.

I would have thought the difference was obvious. Is it not?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. As obvious as free speech protections being intended as a shield, not a sword. That is the truth.
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:10 PM
May 2015

Anyone weaponizing free speech and using the weapon to provoke is not a victim, no matter how many Fox appearances they make insisiting they are.

And if you want to BAN books, like the Koran, then it kind of gives away your real agenda- pure, boring, everyday bigotry and Islamophobia - no?

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
10. Of COURSE they are bigots. And Islamaphobes
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:30 PM
May 2015

Also obvious. That's the thing though, they are allowed to be.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
5. Somebody tell them that.
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:10 PM
May 2015

Right now Pam Geller has been dry-humping a copy of the First Amendment for the past five days.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
8. Also, Fox News wants you to think so as well.
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:32 PM
May 2015



http://crooksandliars.com/2015/05/megyn-kelly-tells-everyone-shut-and


From the network that continually yells "Fire!" in a crowded room full of wingnuts day after day. Megyn Kelly, who is an attorney, seems to be a bit confused about that whole "freedom of speech" thing if this little rant at the beginning of her show this Wednesday is any indication.

Kelly did her best to help right-wing extremist Pamela Geller to continue to play the poor oppressed conservative victim card and pretend that there's anyone out there stifling her right to free speech because they criticized the actions of her group immediately after the shooting this week -- while simultaneously telling her critics to shut the hell up and to "wait a beat" until "after the crime scene has been cleared."

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
11. Megyn Kelly is obviously bionic
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

Since I cannot believe she is bright enough to breathe without help. Her 1st Amendment arguments are nonsense.

Her views and mine have nothing in common.

yellowcanine

(35,694 posts)
12. She is convinced that Santy Claus and Jesus are white though.
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:57 PM
May 2015
Just in case anyone needs a reminder of where Ms. Kelly is coming from..........

"By the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white but this person is just arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa," Kelly said, before briefly pausing to acknowledge that she can sort of kind of understand how that might be painful for a black child. But only kind of sort of. "Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," she added.

But she didn't stop there. She went on to address Jesus' race. You know, the Semitic fellow allegedly born in the Middle East 2000 years ago.

"Jesus was a white man, too," Kelly said. "He was a historical figure. That's a verifiable fact — as is Santa. I just want the kids watching to know that. My point is, how do you just revise it in the middle of the legacy of the story and change Santa from white to black?"

http://gawker.com/megyn-kelly-both-jesus-and-santa-were-white-so-stop-c-1481842503

She will never live this down. Ever. And that is a good thing.
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