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Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 02:15 AM Dec 2011

Study shows the rich do not respond to the distress signals of others


http://www.futurity.org/top-stories/bah-humbug-rich-slower-to-show-empathy/

A study published in the journal Emotion finds that individuals in the upper-middle and upper classes are less able to detect and respond to the distress signals of others. Overall, the results indicate that socioeconomic status correlates with the level of empathy and compassion that people show in the face of emotionally charged situations.

“It’s not that the upper classes are coldhearted,” says lead author Jennifer Stellar, a social psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. “They may just not be as adept at recognizing the cues and signals of suffering because they haven’t had to deal with as many obstacles in their lives.”

(the rest of the article is at the link above)
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Study shows the rich do not respond to the distress signals of others (Original Post) Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 OP
That fits with the study that Botox users are less empathetic! csziggy Dec 2011 #1
i've been using botox for years DesertFlower Dec 2011 #8
I would bet that you were empathetic before you began useing Botox csziggy Dec 2011 #11
it has nothing to do with your feelings. DesertFlower Dec 2011 #12
Botox is a toxin produced by bacteria, I believe. chrisa Dec 2011 #28
“It’s not that the upper classes are coldhearted...” cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #2
So true. So studies show they're less generous and less empathetic... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #21
Study shows lions do not respond to distress signals of elands and zebras. AdHocSolver Dec 2011 #3
Excellent point! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22
this is the definition of cold hearted Sedona Dec 2011 #4
It's an elegant way of saying, "they don't care a rat's ass." nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #20
or they don't fucking care. pansypoo53219 Dec 2011 #5
Apparently not. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #17
Well, that explains my sister buying a Porshe SUV for what ever god know what price while I drive WCGreen Dec 2011 #6
my husband drives a porsche. he's 64 years DesertFlower Dec 2011 #9
How do you deal with her? And why is she driving that? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #15
I guess that is why a payroll tax cut for workers is bad... Kalidurga Dec 2011 #7
Yep! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #14
They may just view those less fortunate as "the other". LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #10
I'll bet the rich have more empathy for others of their own kind. Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #13
I think that they are just cold-hearted, not Curmudgeoness Dec 2011 #18
They choose not to, and that might show up in studies, maybe? nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #24
That's because there is a high percentage of sociopaths among them.... Bigmack Dec 2011 #16
That's basically what I think. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #25
They needed a study for this?? Initech Dec 2011 #19
I guess it brings the point home. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #27
This just in: water is wet sakabatou Dec 2011 #23
yup! I know. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #26

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
1. That fits with the study that Botox users are less empathetic!
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 02:20 AM
Dec 2011

I don't have the link since it was at least six months ago I saw it, but there was a study that showed people who had Botox treatments, especially to the face, were less able to respond to other people's problems. One theory why was that when you sympathize with people, you mirror their expressions. If your facial muscles are paralyzed with Botox, you cannot do that mirroring that may trigger the sympathetic reaction.

Since some people are taught to not show expression, that could also reduce their ability to empathize with others.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
8. i've been using botox for years
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 05:35 AM
Dec 2011

and i'm extremely empathetic. i only use it in my forehead and around the crows feet.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
11. I would bet that you were empathetic before you began useing Botox
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:35 PM
Dec 2011

With people that use it from an early age and that were not already empathetic, I imagine that it can impair learning to be empathetic.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
12. it has nothing to do with your feelings.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 05:16 PM
Dec 2011

what botox does is paralyze the muscles so you can't frown -- thus you don't have an angry look.

i've always been empathetic.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
28. Botox is a toxin produced by bacteria, I believe.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 12:55 AM
Dec 2011

It is called an "alpha toxin" or something like that, and what is does is prevent muscles from working properly (the receptors on the muscle are prevented from 'firing,' making it so the muscle can't move anymore). Someone will correct me on this.

It doesn't effect anything neurological. It only affects the face muscles of the area is it inserted.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. “It’s not that the upper classes are coldhearted...”
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 02:38 AM
Dec 2011

Or maybe they are. This needs to be combined with that other study from a few months ago that found that the rich are less generous and don't give a damn about the problems of others.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
21. So true. So studies show they're less generous and less empathetic...
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:21 PM
Dec 2011

Is there any reason to see the rich in a positive light? I don't see any reason at all.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
3. Study shows lions do not respond to distress signals of elands and zebras.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:14 AM
Dec 2011

A majority of the wealthy, like most predators, do not feel sympathy toward their prey.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
4. this is the definition of cold hearted
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:15 AM
Dec 2011

“They may just not be as adept at recognizing the cues and signals of suffering because they haven’t had to deal with as many obstacles in their lives.”

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
6. Well, that explains my sister buying a Porshe SUV for what ever god know what price while I drive
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:52 AM
Dec 2011

around town in a rusted old van that my BIL's ex wife gave me for free....

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
9. my husband drives a porsche. he's 64 years
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 05:39 AM
Dec 2011

old and worked his entire life -- still works at age 64.

he didn't go into debt to buy it and it hasn't effected our charitable contributions or how we feel about those less fortunate.

and no we're not part of the 1 percent.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. I guess that is why a payroll tax cut for workers is bad...
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 04:17 AM
Dec 2011

but reducing taxes on money that makes money is good...

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
10. They may just view those less fortunate as "the other".
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 06:33 AM
Dec 2011

We are not like them. They simply cannot relate. I wonder what a study toward measuring empathetic reactions to others from their own class might look like in comparison.

I'll go read the link now. Perhaps it will change my mind about the root causes of the obvious lack of empathy.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
13. I'll bet the rich have more empathy for others of their own kind.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 09:48 PM
Dec 2011

I'm curious if the study will change your mind about the causes of this empathy.

I personally think it's a series of things:

(1) Discrimination against the poor. Conservatives and right wingers tend to despise the poor, because they hold firmly to a myth that those who are poor are slothful. They spend their lives promoting the myth that the poor are somehow evil.

(2) There are certain Protestant religions in the U.S. that believe the poor are poor because they deserve to be for their sins.

(3) The wealthy who would customarily feel guilt for their ostentatiousness rid themselves of the guilt by imagining that they, somehow, are deserving, while the poor are not.

(4) The wealthy who inherited, obtained their wealth through corrupt means, or have almost outright stolen it, justify their having wealth by making someone else 'the bad guy:' in this case, the poor becomes the object of their abhorrence.

Just my opinion.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
18. I think that they are just cold-hearted, not
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:11 PM
Dec 2011

just because they are not like them. I am not like a cat or dog, they really are "the others", but if they are hurting, I am hurting.

I don't buy it that they just cannot relate----they just choose not to.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
16. That's because there is a high percentage of sociopaths among them....
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:00 PM
Dec 2011

AynRandian sociopaths.

"Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others."

Many of the rich are simply high-functioning sociopaths.

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