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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri May 8, 2015, 07:52 PM May 2015

210 Zappos employees take buyouts after CEO ultimatum to embrace self-management or leave

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/210-zappos-employees-14-staff-155236260.html

Zappos, the Amazon-owned online retailer, confirmed with the Las Vegas Sun that 210 of its 1,503 employees — nearly 14% of the company — took a buyout deal after CEO Tony Hsieh announced the company was completely ridding itself of manager roles and job titles.

The company, well known for its experiments involving corporate culture, has been transitioning to a self-management organizational structure known as Holacracy since the beginning of 2013. Entering this year, about 85% of the company had made the transition.

Hsieh sent a nearly 5,000-word company-wide memo in late March that explained that any employee who was not satisfied with the transformation by April 30 could leave with three months' severance. The memo was leaked by Quartz and later published by Zappos on its Insights blog....

To get their severance, employees had to be in good standing with the company. They were also asked to indicate by email that they had read the management book "Reinventing Organizations" and disagreed with its manager-free vision or else state that they were not reading it. According to the book's author, Frederic Laloux, about 600 to 700 employees downloaded a free e-book version that was linked in Hsieh's email.


Amazon-owned? So Bezos is cool with this?

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210 Zappos employees take buyouts after CEO ultimatum to embrace self-management or leave (Original Post) KamaAina May 2015 OP
It was probably all the management. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1
Yep when a company decides to treat all employees like adults yeoman6987 May 2015 #2
I've always said my primary job as a manager is to make myself irrelevant Major Nikon May 2015 #4
And that is why you are a success. I bet many say the company would fall apart without you. yeoman6987 May 2015 #5
I don't consider GP6971 May 2015 #3
Close to retirement? KamaAina May 2015 #7
I am interested in seeing how this works out. DawgHouse May 2015 #6
I did the same with my company. We lost about seven people of forty. Katashi_itto May 2015 #8
You have a company? Tell me more! KamaAina May 2015 #9
We are very small. We did commercials now working on our first feature length indie movie Katashi_itto May 2015 #10
Sweet! NOLA is a great place to film KamaAina May 2015 #13
Sure PM me with the writers email. I will contact him Katashi_itto May 2015 #15
Yes its a great place to film. Katashi_itto May 2015 #16
Everything Bezos touches is shady. True Blue Door May 2015 #11
Bezos may own Zappos now but I wonder TBF May 2015 #14
Yeah, I don't loathe Amazon enough not to use it. True Blue Door May 2015 #18
I worked for a number of managers. 1939 May 2015 #12
Hmmm, interesting. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #17
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Yep when a company decides to treat all employees like adults
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:33 PM
May 2015

who do not need babysitters, the babysitters get angry and leave. I find this interesting and would hope they do case studies to see how well or not well it works. I applaud them for going away from status quo.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
4. I've always said my primary job as a manager is to make myself irrelevant
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:35 PM
May 2015

Most managers believe the exact opposite in that they strive to make themselves indispensable (at least in their own minds). The entire culture of management is completely opposed to people managing themselves, yet clearly this is the most efficient way to run just about any business.

GP6971

(31,150 posts)
3. I don't consider
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:44 PM
May 2015

3 months severance pay a buy out package. My guess is the ones that took it were close to retirement.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
6. I am interested in seeing how this works out.
Fri May 8, 2015, 09:55 PM
May 2015

I find many managers get in the way of employee success. Not all but quite a few.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
8. I did the same with my company. We lost about seven people of forty.
Sat May 9, 2015, 12:00 AM
May 2015

I wanted an organization that was built to learn and respond rapidly by optimizing for the open flow of information. So we have been shifting over to that model.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. You have a company? Tell me more!
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:37 PM
May 2015

And your profile contains the magic words "New Orleans". I lived there all too briefly in the early '90s.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. Sweet! NOLA is a great place to film
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
May 2015

as you doubtless know.

I have a friend down there who's a writer (imagine that! ) if you need one.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
16. Yes its a great place to film.
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

We are incredibly small, but we are hoping for a a return of 4-6 million on this project.

This is due to the fact of amazon and all the digital venues we can market thru.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
11. Everything Bezos touches is shady.
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015

The man's got a talent for finding other people's shady shit and associating with it.

Maybe this "Holacracy" is legitimate, or maybe it's just a forward-looking attempt to forestall labor organizing in tech-related business.

If Bezos is indeed on board with it, that makes me intensely suspicious.

TBF

(32,058 posts)
14. Bezos may own Zappos now but I wonder
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:17 PM
May 2015

if they are still run by whomever founded them. It doesn't sound like something he would come up with. Of course, I will say that despite his flaws (obviously thinking of the warehouses) Amazon kindle at least has amazing service. I've had to call a couple times & they can walk you through resetting devices over the phone (and you get actual friendly people).

I can of course imagine Bezos saying something like "sure, as long as share price doesn't slip" if the current director of the company came up with this & told him about the plan. That is really all Bezos will care about - the bottom line.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
18. Yeah, I don't loathe Amazon enough not to use it.
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

The guy's not a Koch, but he is a shady character. I follow developments in the space industry, and he's the same there - patent-trolling SpaceX over barge-landing rocket stages, making strategic partnerships with an MIC monopoly notorious for hindering innovation (ULA), all while making barely any tangible progress toward his stated goals in 15 years of having a space company, etc.

1939

(1,683 posts)
12. I worked for a number of managers.
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:12 PM
May 2015

The "people types" with their smooth talk and friendly "counseling" were the worst. All nice up front, but would slip in the knife. The true "assholes" were generally great because you knew where you stood with them and you could go toe to toe and work problems out.

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