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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:03 PM May 2015

Ah yes Mexico...

Last edited Sat May 9, 2015, 10:56 PM - Edit history (5)

we have what looks like the beginnings of a generalized boycott over berries grown in Mexico, the Valley of San Quintin in Baja to be specific. Workers want nothing short than slightly better pay... access to the social security, which in Mexico means medical care... decent housing conditions, not to die from heat stroke and not to be exposed to a slew of chemicals.

We have been following this since I was alerted by members of the community. Today, they started a boycott. Anybody remember Cesar Chavez? And just as a coincidence the state police attacked htem this morning, According to sources police even went into homes without warrants.

Here is the link to the article, for those of you who are interested in social justice, you might be interested. And as a general observation, things are getting more interesting in Mexico by the month. We have a semi regular column called Dispatches from Mexico... and at times we speak with sources as well.

None of the sources that we used in the article can be identified by name due to safety concerns.

May 9, 2015 (SAN QUINTIN, BAJA CALIFORNIA) We have reports of confrontations between the state police of Baja California and the field hands at San Quintin. These are the workers who have gone on strike because of labor conditions and lack of access to medical care. Among other companies are BerryMex, which is a principal supplier to Driscolls in California.

Workers are demanding that their pay goes up to at least 200 pesos per day, about 20 dollars a day. They were demanding 300, but during negotiations they went down to 200.

They were expected to start an international boycott of berries that are grown in the valley on May 9, which is today.

The number of field hands involved in this boycott is over 80,000 which is most of the workforce in the valley. According to a press conference posted by Nueva Era a few days ago, This boycott also include delegations traveling throughout the rural areas in Mexico.


http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/05/09/dispatches-from-mexico-san-quintin-and-the-boycott/

Posting the update straight. The request for Feds surprised me to a point.

Update: From social media postings elements of the Mexican Navy were involved in lifting the blockade. Moreover, according to Arisgegui Notiicias, there are over 70 people injured due to the melee. She is also reporting that the Interior Secretary Miguel Ángel Osorio Chong intervene to solve the crisis. We also now have news that while there are no dead, as we reported earlier in the morning from La Jornada, there are 7 people in critical condition, which is where the initial report might come from.

The request for federal intervention came from Union leader Fidel Sanchez Grabrel, who wants that federal intervention to stop the attacks from the state police.


And... this is what happens with fluid stories:

Update Number 2: The National Commission of Human Rights (CNDH for their letters in Spanish) has released a news release in which they state that they have sent investigators to the valley. The press release partly states:

Con motivo de los acontecimientos violentos ocurridos esta mañana en San Quintín, Baja California, la Comisión Nacional de los Derechos Humanos desplazó a ese municipio a un grupo de visitadores adjuntos de su oficina en Tijuana y a otros que se encontraban en Ensenada, para investigar los hechos que sean de su competencia.

Due to the violent events of this morning in San Quintin, Baja California, the National Commission of Human Rights has sent a group of investigators to that municipality. They are from the Tijuana office, and others were in Ensenada already investigating events.


As we reported in an earlier story the commission was already involved. They have spoken to problems in the valley regarding human rights. The situation is still somewhat fluid.


Now will put this here, without updating the actual story. Shall take this with some salt. We now have conflicting reports. We do have 3 dead field hands... and the bodies went missing. This would not surprise me, but if this is the case... and given all the calls for general mobilization, things are about to get uglier.
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Ah yes Mexico... (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski May 2015 OP
Safeway is full of Driscoll's berries. Drat! I need some guerrilla stickers. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #1
Read the label nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #2
"Product of Mexico." Those blackberries are huge, but I'll have to swear 'em off for now. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #4
Then they are likely from that region nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6
And what the hell, let's kick it for cross-border solidarity, too. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #3
To be honest not even in San Diego nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #5
Good work malaise May 2015 #9
Thanks these days the FB and skype make this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #10
You know a lot of what looks local to some folks is actually national malaise May 2015 #15
Yup. and the language used nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #17
Sadly the impression managers at M$Greedia decide what is news malaise May 2015 #20
We have been talking about it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21
I had no idea that so many young folks could or would be so malaise May 2015 #23
You are confusing not reading the news paper nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #25
I wish that were true malaise May 2015 #27
People who watch the news nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #28
It's my experience too. hunter May 2015 #36
And that is worst with some channels than others, but yes nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #37
Well thank you for making people aware of this. I have a feeling that if the TPP passes there will sabrina 1 May 2015 #40
I have the sneaky that TTP passes nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #41
I remember Cesar Chavez. I even still have the boycott Gallo bumper sticker. One of the grocery jwirr May 2015 #7
Read the label nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #11
Just recently. I will start reading the label. jwirr May 2015 #19
Solidarity malthaussen May 2015 #8
Does this include blueberries? That's mostly what I buy from Driscolls. True Blue Door May 2015 #12
Once again check the label nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #13
But how do I know if "Produce of Mexico" applies to that specific town? True Blue Door May 2015 #22
It can apply to the Bajio Central nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #24
So would it help anything to stop buying their blueberries? True Blue Door May 2015 #26
The same problem was faced by Chavez nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #29
Best bet is not to buy any Driscoll's "made in Mexico" berries for the time being. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #30
K & R nt okaawhatever May 2015 #14
I forwarded this to the expat community in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato Divernan May 2015 #16
Good, they should know nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #18
Meh. I met expats in San Miguel who took a perverse pride in knowing no Spanish. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #31
Non-organically grown strawberries roody May 2015 #32
Very true nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #35
TPP has worker protections. But Americans will have to pay more for their berries and tube socks if Fred Sanders May 2015 #33
This is a result of NAFTA (TLCNA) nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #34
What worker protections? Where did you find that out? sabrina 1 May 2015 #42
There are a lot of misconceptions, as Obama as said, and one of them is how workers in low Fred Sanders May 2015 #46
You will have to forgive me for laughing in your general diretion when you say nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #51
You are not just allegedly snickering in my direction, Obama is standing right in front of me in the same area. Fred Sanders May 2015 #52
It was the same claim made for nafta nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #53
I have a suspicion about the Dollar Store produce olddots May 2015 #38
The produce still (should) be labeled nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #39
There is a real need for a Global Workers Movement. Corps have been Global for decades sabrina 1 May 2015 #44
I have the suspicion that one is starting to take shape nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #45
KnR Hekate May 2015 #43
I've worked in the American berry nilesobek May 2015 #47
I realize this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #48
It's Mexico who allows USA corps to pay their citizens $7.00 a day to work in their border factories Sunlei May 2015 #49
Actually more complicated than that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #50
yes it is more complicated, but many of our consumer goods like washers are made by exploited, Sunlei May 2015 #54
who benefits nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #55
SOLIDARITY! bvar22 May 2015 #56
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. Read the label
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:07 PM
May 2015

some are grown in the states, some in Mexico.

That is what I do when I run out of berries and i have to go to Ralphs.

Though I buy mine at the farmers market and they are grown in Oceanside.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. "Product of Mexico." Those blackberries are huge, but I'll have to swear 'em off for now.
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015

It's too early for the berries up here in Norcal.

But our blueberries are already on the way.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
15. You know a lot of what looks local to some folks is actually national
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

and international in that the same crap is going on everywhere.

I can't help thinking that if liberals and socialists across the planet were paying attention to what was going on in Chile and other places that were victims of neo-liberalism in the 1970s - 1990s, the planet might not be in this mess today.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Yup. and the language used
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

in many of the protests outside the US, includes neoliberals.

We have spent more time watching feeds from streamers from as far as Mexico City, than any sane person should. But on the other hand, WE BROKE news that happened in Mexico City before CNN, AP, and Reuters did. When they burned the central door of the national palace (attempted to). For us, as we watched the stream it was like... did we really see what we think we saw?

malaise

(296,076 posts)
20. Sadly the impression managers at M$Greedia decide what is news
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

and if it doesn't suit their agenda, we'll never hear about it without private citizens doing what you're doing or what some folks do at DU and other places.

M$Greedia cannot be trusted to keep us informed about issues that affect our lives.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. We have been talking about it
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:42 PM
May 2015

and the future of large media is actually under quite a bit of a threat.

Millenials do not sit down for the evening news. An actual newsprint paper is not something they curl up to either.

So a lot of the future of media, while it looks like not right now, is what many of us have started doing. There are standards. there are some independent media that has grown beyond their wildest dreams that I trust as far as I can throw. Mostly I have caught them making serious errors, and when told they just cop out an attitude and never correct that.

So it will be growing pains, but we will see, I predict, a series of smallish internet based media.

Things will get rather fragmented.

But if some of these groups do not start correcting things like sourcing, even their ardent readers will notice.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
23. I had no idea that so many young folks could or would be so
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

blissfully ignorant about what is going on around them. I am no longer shocked just scared for them.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. You are confusing not reading the news paper
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:51 PM
May 2015

or sitting for the evening news for being ignorant.

They simply do not trust this. PRAVDA had it this good at the end as well.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
27. I wish that were true
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:56 PM
May 2015

A small minority seek alternative sources - mqny don't want to know what's going on

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. People who watch the news
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:59 PM
May 2015

I have found, are less informed than people who seek alternate sources.

Perhaps it is the folks I hang out with, but they tend to be in the latter group.

hunter

(40,688 posts)
36. It's my experience too.
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:25 PM
May 2015

Modern television news and other mass media seems to make many people less informed, making them more clueless than they would have been if they hadn't watched any television news at all.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Well thank you for making people aware of this. I have a feeling that if the TPP passes there will
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:48 PM
May 2015

be Global uprisings.

This reminds me of what big Corporations have been doing in S. America and around the world to workers who try to do something about the injustices they suffer under these mega corporations and the governments that allow them to operate in their countries.

How sad that people died.

Thank you again for the OP.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. I have the sneaky that TTP passes
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:50 PM
May 2015

Americans will trail, but we will join the rest of the world.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. I remember Cesar Chavez. I even still have the boycott Gallo bumper sticker. One of the grocery
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

clerks told me that many of the fruits and vegetables are raised in Mexico. Mostly due to the drought. It is going to very hard for them to win this one.

But no more berries for me.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Read the label
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:22 PM
May 2015

not all are grown there, Quite a few are grown in California, even now, But Oceanside Strawberries have gotten expensive for some odd reason.

As to what they told you, depends on the time of the year and the drought is kicking Baja in the teeth as well.

malthaussen

(18,567 posts)
8. Solidarity
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:18 PM
May 2015

Probably not an issue for the East Coast, and we buy our berries locally anyway. To hell with them regardless!

-- Mal

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Once again check the label
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:24 PM
May 2015

some are grown in Oregon, some are grown in hot houses down there.

The label should have the country of origin on it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. It can apply to the Bajio Central
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

which is in central Mexico, but at this time of the year, a lot of the berries are grown in that region of Baja California. It is not just one town. It is a whole valley. The Valley of San Quintin. Workers are not happy, but have yet to go on strike to the south of them, but have been having trouble with their product reaching market due to the blockades of the roads. Berries in Tijuana, which is quite north, are expensive and hard to find becuase of this.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
26. So would it help anything to stop buying their blueberries?
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

On balance, since that would also effect the interests of people unrelated to the immediate problem, would that be worthwhile?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. The same problem was faced by Chavez
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:02 PM
May 2015

not all were in as it were.

They are using the same exact techniques since the advisors from the Cesar Chavez outfit

In a letter of support they wrote to their Mexican counterparts, that they have the support and backing of 27,000 workers in the Cesar Chavez organization. The letter partially reads: “We believe that all of us who work in the fields, picking up strawberries, tomato, or doing any other field work, deserve good pay and respect. It doesn’t matter where we are in the world. With our work we feed the world. We deserve to work in good conditions and good pay. This is why we support you.”


http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/03/29/dispatches-from-mexico-expensive-strawberries-and-the-valley-of-san-quintin/
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
30. Best bet is not to buy any Driscoll's "made in Mexico" berries for the time being.
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:08 PM
May 2015

There are other producers.

And if you can't find them, well, it's only a few weeks to local berry season.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. Good, they should know
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

but if State is doing their job, they have been told of the dangers already.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
31. Meh. I met expats in San Miguel who took a perverse pride in knowing no Spanish.
Sat May 9, 2015, 06:10 PM
May 2015

After living there for years. Mostly retired Texans, those ones.

It certainly is a charming place, though. Damn near turned me into a shopper.

roody

(10,849 posts)
32. Non-organically grown strawberries
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015

are one of the most pesticide laden fruits or vegatables.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. TPP has worker protections. But Americans will have to pay more for their berries and tube socks if
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
May 2015

wages in Mexico go up to 20 bucks a day and 10 bucks a day in Vietnam! AND health care?? How much is that gonna cost at the Walmart checkout line??

Is that why some progressives are so angry and do not believe their own President?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. This is a result of NAFTA (TLCNA)
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:37 PM
May 2015

And all leaked chapters point to TTP making wages go further down all over the world, including the U.S.

And one more thing Fred, in that disingenuous hippie punching of yours, it is PROGRESSIVES who want those workers rights to go up.You defend these kinds of agreements you are defending a modern form of slavery.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
46. There are a lot of misconceptions, as Obama as said, and one of them is how workers in low
Sun May 10, 2015, 10:47 AM
May 2015

wage partnership nations will be affected, and a lot of other stuff as well.

You know I never make a claim without facts and logic.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-obamas-trade-fight/2015/04/26/b2750a20-eaa5-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html?hpid=z3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6650059

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
51. You will have to forgive me for laughing in your general diretion when you say
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

that this will strengthen labor abroad.

Mexico already reformed Art. 123, that is labor law. IN that reform, for the first time in Mexican history, temp work is formalized. Also since the ratification of NAFTA, Union rights have been weakened.

This is the second time that this article is modified to suit these kinds of agreements.

So I am sorry Fred, but I will have to snicker in your general direction.

The difference is that while you go, but the POTUS is misunderstood, in Mexico workers get it. They know who the enemy is... it's not just Pena Nieto, but the whole neo liberal system you are defending.

Do you understand Spanish? Because some of the videos emerging due to this strike, or the missing 43 students, do lay the blame on the neoliberal economic system.

I hope you read Spanish, outside of the actual Bill, this is quite clear of an explanation

http://economia.elpais.com/economia/2012/10/01/actualidad/1349128068_344535.html

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
52. You are not just allegedly snickering in my direction, Obama is standing right in front of me in the same area.
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:41 PM
May 2015
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. It was the same claim made for nafta
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:44 PM
May 2015

so yes. i do snicker

And Fred you keep ignoring that Mexican Labor Law was CHANGED to fit TTP requirements, weakening LABOR RIGHTS. So you can go make those claims to people who have no clue, By the way, that article came from a BUSINESS PAPER in Mexico City.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
38. I have a suspicion about the Dollar Store produce
Sat May 9, 2015, 08:33 PM
May 2015

all being very anti labor .....we must wean oursrlves off of it because our kids desrrve a better world than what our world has turned into .

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. There is a real need for a Global Workers Movement. Corps have been Global for decades
Sat May 9, 2015, 11:54 PM
May 2015

but the workers have had to try to deal with the problems in their own countries, and it is difficult to do. Now it's time for the workers to go Global. It will be a lot more difficult to deal harshly with workers in one country if when they do, the rest of the world goes on strike in solidarity with such a country.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
47. I've worked in the American berry
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

harvest as a migrant worker and would like to add that if most people saw the chemicals applied to commercially grown berries they would probably stop eating them.

In phases, in season, according to need, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and chemical fertilizers are liberally sprayed by men driving around in trucks with hoses and tanks with pumps.

On one occasion, we had to remove some berry bushes because of blight and we all got sick from the chemicals in the plant matter we dumped at the composting place. I'm very cautious about what I eat and am considered radical because I refuse to spray my property.

These horrible working conditions exist here in the USA also. I'm working in similar conditions right now.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. I realize this
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:08 PM
May 2015

And agricultural work is done out of mind and sight for a reason. Thanks for punting this out.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
49. It's Mexico who allows USA corps to pay their citizens $7.00 a day to work in their border factories
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

and farms. That's where all the American consumer goods and foods are made these days. That's where all the jobs went long ago.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
50. Actually more complicated than that
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

they went to Mexico, then they went to China, Vietnam, et al... then oil hit 100 bucks a barrel, and they went back to Mexico where workers are still more expensive.

We are all surprised that the insta-factories have not bolted back to Vietnam now that it has dropped bellow 50 a barrel.

But NAFTA (in spite of the prattling at the time that it was going to strengthen worker rights) it actually weakened Article 123 of the Mexican Constitution and erased more than just a few rights for workers. The TTP I suppose, will finish that neoliberal job. I know because that article has been rewritten and ratified by the (Mexican) congress already (2012), as part of a slew of "reforms" to make the country ready for it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
54. yes it is more complicated, but many of our consumer goods like washers are made by exploited,
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:46 PM
May 2015

$7.00 a day Mexican citizens in Mexico. It's been like that for decades.

The Mexican Gov should demand the American owned mega-farms pay the Mexican workers the American minimum wage.

But Mexicos Gov. has never demanded anything to help their own exploited citizens in Mexico.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
56. SOLIDARITY!
Sun May 10, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

...though we grow our own berries and freeze them or make preserves for the Winter.

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