Found this on tumbler. Thought it was so good.

[aggiesal]

[840high]

1. Kick for Bernie.

[sadoldgirl]

2. Putting this on GD,

I bet you will get a lot of "fascinating" comments!

[malaise]

3. 3...2...1

for the attacks

[MaggieD]

5. The attack is in the OP

[aggiesal]

7. So enlighten us ...

Don't complain with some support.

[aggiesal]

13. Oooops, my bad ...

This was supposed to be for the following comment.

[NYC_SKP]

72. That didn't take long!

[MaggieD]

4. Wow, what a giant piece of....

Complete inaccuracy.

[morningfog]

9. Hillary's campaign has indicated affordable college as an issue and supports marriage equality.

And isn't Paul for drug decriminalization? I am assuming since he's all faux-libertarian that is the case. I don't really give a shit about his positions, though.

What else is inaccurate?

[MaggieD]

11. What IS accurate??

HRC is for increases in minimum wage, against CU and for campaign finance reform. She's been a huge supporter of GLBT rights, and on and on. Bernie is not neutral on guns - the whole thing is complete crap.

[Fla Dem]

53. HRC 2008 Platform advocated for Universal Health Care.

Clinton Presents Plan For Universal Coverage


By Perry Bacon Jr. and Anne Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday unveiled a proposal to provide health insurance to all Americans, placing herself at the center of an issue that provided perhaps the greatest setback of her political career.

In a speech in Des Moines, the Democratic front-runner said she would expand insurance to the 47 million people who do not already have coverage and would attempt to reduce costs for others without spawning a massive new bureaucracy. In a far different political environment than the one that turned her efforts to establish universal health care into a fiasco in her husband's first term, Clinton offered a more modest approach than she took as first lady and head of a White House task force in 1993.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/17/AR2007091701026.html

[Enrique]

14. I agree

it gets a lot wrong

[treestar]

49. Not to mention vagueness

What is being "against Wall Street" and "against money in politics?"

[libdem4life]

6. One of those times a picture/graphic is worth a thousand words. Bingo. n/t

[MaggieD]

16. Only if the word is "BS"

[libdem4life]

50. Oh good grief, unless you meant Bernie Sanders?

[jimlup]

8. In fairness to Hillary I think the gay marriage box should be checked under her name...

Other than that - yeah... that's what we've got for a choice. It is kind of a no-brainer if you ask me. Yeah, I'll vote lessor evil if and when it comes to that. I actually didn't have to in '08 and '12 which was a refreshing change.

[MaggieD]

17. You think Hillary is not for increasing...

... The minimum wage or not in favor of campaign finance reform (just to name two major inaccuracies). You she has a voting record as a senator. You actually can look it up instead of repeating BS.

[jimlup]

54. Sure but I guess speaking for myself personally

I support Bernie Sanders by a pretty big margin over Hillary. Yes, however, you are correct. I think the graphic is more than a little bit of an exaggeration. I will support Hillary with a clear conscience if she wins the nomination.

[sadoldgirl]

10. To be fair this should be

titled "Positions during the last ten years", except
for Paul as far as drugs are concerned.

[zentrum]

12. Everything Hillary says

….is for political calculation. She tests the wind first and then takes a public stand. Unless it's a clear cut "safe" issue for women—like being pro-choice.

Bernie has always spoken about the same policies the same way—out of true, independent conviction and values. He is not a wind-reader. He says what he believes, period. There's no duplicity or double speak in him. I never know what Hillary will actually stand for, because if she sees political danger in some position—she won't take it.

Her reputation as a fighter actually comes from being able to withstand and resist personal attacks on her power or position. Then she's dogged. Can't remember her ever fighting for a value outside of her and Bill's political survival. But am open to an example.

[rock]

15. "Everything Hillary says is for political calculation"

Psychic are we? Or do we just understand how politics works? Care to name a politician that is not that way?

[tkmorris]

28. Bernie Sanders

[Cali_Democrat]

29. Supporting Israel's invasion of Gaza is not political calculation?

What about supporting Israel's iron dome?

Or what about voting against the Brady legislation or opposing the ability for victims to sue gun manufacturers?

That's political calculation.

[zentrum]

44. His position..

…on Israel is shocking and angering, but the he was also the first Senator to step up and say he would not attend the Netanyahoo speech to Congress. He's very critical of Netty and supports O's nuclear regulation talks with Iran.

His votes on gun control are also mixed and disappointing. He's for state control rather than federal control of guns.

I didn't say he was a perfect progressive or that I agree with everything he says——but all of it seems genuine to him. I don't see calculation or political convenience, which is what we're talking about.

He doesn't pander.

[rock]

43. Now I don't want to criticize Bernie as I consider him a strong possibility

But he is a politician. There's no way that his decisions and positions are not strongly influenced by politics.

[MaggieD]

18. And actually voted that way as a senator

FFS - her voting record is easy to find.

[PBass]

62. The "she doesn't really believe it!!!" card is super convenient...

That way, even if Hillary votes the way you'd like, you can still criticize her for being insincere. That way, Hillary can always be wrong, even when she's right.

Isn't that terrific?

[zentrum]

64. Actually....

I don't give a damn what she believes so long as she casts votes that are not neo-liberal, but are progressive. As long we don't invade Iran, have the end of ruinous trade deals, fight for single payer health care, mount an amendment to end Citizen's United, press for a two-state solution, expand SS, strengthen Wall Street/Banking regulation, keep the estate tax etc etc and if all this also happens to fit her current calculations----hurrah!

But I'll look at her votes and her behavior and not her rhetoric---meantime, go ahead, since you look to her as your example of sincerity---you ride that belief train.

[grahampuba]

19. glaring omission..

well, maybe not to you or I, but I think to a substantial portion of potential voters, young voters.

Black Lives Matter..

Is this too controversial to get behind?
Is taking a stand against a corrupt judicial system that exploits a segment of our nation too much to commit to?

Perhaps consider compassion towards this is the gateway motion towards bringing this same segment from disenfranchised and underrepresented to engaged and included into our political process maybe?

[F4lconF16]

47. +1000

Big issue nobody seems to be talking about. Problem is, BLM is pointing out that the whole damn system is broken beyond belief. They're showing that we need an entirely new one that won't mandate the cruel oppressions and staggering inequalities we see under capitalism. Many of the leaders behind the movement (at least up here in Seattle) are very left wing, just as most major civil rights activists have been.

The Democrats won't talk about it, though, because BLM means an end to their dominance. Hell, even in Baltimore, no one is admitting that, oh yeah, they're all Democrats in charge over there. They have historically resisted radical (and necessary and just) change with all their power. They will continue to do so now. We already see them attempting to bring radicals and activists back into the fold.

The Democratic Party: where radical socio-economic movements have gone to die for over a century.

[MohRokTah]

20. It's a POS.

It lies.

[valerief]

21. Excellent! nt

[Agschmid]

22. This is crap.

It's about 80% inaccurate. But run with it, sure why not. It's cool to post total bullshit.

[BlueStreak]

39. If you don't think it is accurate, then maybe Hillary should speak up to make her positions clear.

[Agschmid]

40. I'll let her know, let me just dial her up.

Oh an when she speaks are you willing to listen?

Or will what she says just be "pandering"?

[BlueStreak]

74. It depends on whether she does "Clinton-speak" or whether she is actually clear about her positions

Bernie is absolutely clear about his positions. If Hillary doesn't share his views then she should explain her positions and tell us what she is willing to fight for.

[a kennedy]

23. How much is 5.00 a month until the Nov election?????

That's what I can afford to get the man elected...... BERNIE.

[okaawhatever]

24. If your candidate is so great why the need to post things that aren't true? nt

[Enthusiast]

25. That's it! Bernie should be President!

[Cali_Democrat]

26. I thought Hillary supports gay marriage and the minimum wage

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/15/hillary-clinton-minimum-wage_n_7075258.html

The graphic appears to be inaccurate.

It's like it was created by a 15-year-old.

[TM99]

30. Yes, now as of 2013, Clinton

finally has caught up to the rest of us including Sanders on support for gay marriage.

Now your own link highlights one of my biggest problems with Clinton.

Yes, she did tweet her support, however, that was about it.

On Tuesday, The New York Times noted while Clinton has endorsed raising the minimum wage, she has been vague on how quickly she wants to raise it and exactly how high it should be.

From the New York Times article --

Mrs. Clinton has voiced her support for the “fast-food and domestic workers all across our country who ask for nothing more than a living wage and a fair shot.”

An aide said that, “she’s for an increase in the minimum wage, and she wants to have a conversation about the right target and timeline.”

Even progressive economists argue that some caution is merited. Mr. Bernstein, a supporter of a substantial minimum wage increase with a reputation as being the Obama White House’s most liberal in-house economist, said that $15 an hour gave him pause because it was “out of sample.” That is, there was no precedent to demonstrate it wouldn’t cost jobs.

The question of speed, though, may be especially sensitive for Mrs. Clinton.

She may ultimately align with her party’s base on many economic issues. But any reluctance by Mrs. Clinton to say whether she explicitly supports the goals of the Fight for $15 campaign — or even how far toward them she would hope to come as president — could curb enthusiasm for her candidacy among progressives and low-income workers at the very moment she’s officially engaged.

Mrs. Clinton, after all, promised in her announcement that she wanted to be a champion for “everyday Americans.” She pledged to labor on their behalf “so that you can do more than just get by. You can get ahead, and stay ahead.”

“She has a massive challenge in the general election,” said Zephyr Teachout, the Fordham Law School professor who mounted an unexpectedly strong Democratic primary challenge to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York last year. “The strategy of silence and then gradual coming around does not lead people, even if the sentence polls well, to get out and organize.”

So she supports it but in vague 'feel good' terms and is willing to 'have a conversation' on it at a future undisclosed time.

Now contrast that to Sanders on the minimum wage.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-calls-for-minimum-wage-increase

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/30/minute-bernie-sanders-destroys-gop-opposition-raising-minimum-wage.html

That was 2013.

And now in 2015, we have his rally, his answers to direct questions, and an amendment.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/sen-sanders-touts-15-minimum-wage-says-employment-states-higher-wages

Now yes, the graphic is simplistic and definitely lacks nuance, but as so many Clinton supporters keep reminding us, American voters are stupid, respond to sound bites, and do not follow politics like the average DU'er. In that regards then, this graphic is close enough to the truth as it is to qualify and garner votes form those 'stupid' Americans for Sanders over Clinton.

[Cali_Democrat]

32. So the graphic is inaccurate. nt

[Agschmid]

33. Yup.

But it's still here.

[uponit7771]

76. They don't care about accuracy at this point, its Hillary is a monster and Benghazi

[Fla Dem]

56. HRC has been a strong supporter of raising the minimum wage since she was First Lady.

In the U.S. Senate
Hillary Clinton fought to tie the minimum wage to future increases in Congressional salaries.
Hillary Clinton repeatedly introduced the Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act to bind future salary increases for Congress to mandatory increases in the federal minimum wage. Under the provisions of the legislation, the federal minimum wage would be “automatically increased” by “a percentage equal to the percentage by which the annual rate of pay for Members of Congress increased for such year..."Speaking to the importance of her bill, Senator Clinton said, “We can no longer stand by and regularly give ourselves a pay increase while denying a minimum wage increase to help the more than 7 million men and women working hard across this nation. At a time when working families are struggling to put food on the table, it's critically important that we here in Washington do something. If Members of Congress need an annual cost of living adjustment, then certainly the lowest-paid members of our society do too.”

Hillary Clinton repeatedly introduced legislation to increase the federal minimum wage.
Hillary Clinton’s Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act of 2006 would have increased the federal minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour over two years. Introducing her 2006 bill, Senator Clinton stated : “I ask my colleagues to recognize the moral aspect of this issue. It is simply wrong to pay people a wage that they can barely live on… We should raise the Federal minimum wage so that working parent s can lift their children out of poverty. It is past time to make this investment in our children and families.” Senator Clinton’s Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act of 2007 would have increased the federal minimum wage from $5.85 to $9.50 an hour.

Hillary Clinton cosponsored bills to increase the minimum wage five times and consistently voted to support it.
Over the course of her time in the U.S. Senate, Hillary Clinton cosponsored bills to raise the federal minimum wage in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2007. Senator Clinton opposed Republican efforts to weaken the minimum wage, and she repeatedly backed Democratic efforts to raise it. Although she opposed the Iraq funding bill it was folded into, Clinton cosponsored the original version of the Fair Minimum Wage Act that increased the minimum wage for the first time in ten years, from $5.85 to $7.25 an hour. It was one of the five bills Senator Clinton cosponsored to raise the minimum wage

As First Lady
In 1999, Hillary and Ted Kennedy worked together to push for a minimum wage increase.
As she said at a White House event with Ted Kennedy in September 1999, “America can afford to raise the minimum wage. The last time it was raised in 1996, 10 million Americans got a raise and the economy continued to create jobs at an unprecedented pace. Now raising the minimum wage is certainly an American issue and a human issue, but it is particularly a woman’s issue. It is also a children’s issue and a family issue . So I would hope that every member of Congress — the next time they visit a parent in a nursing home, sit down in a restaurant for a meal, see someone cleaning their office, or know what goes on in so many other settings where people work hard every day — would want every American to share in this kind of prosperity, and would want to
raise the minimum wage.” Unfortunately, their push was unsuccessful.

more at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/221116545/Correct-the-Record-on-Clinton-s-Minimum-Wage-Record

[bettyellen]

68. "close enough to the truth" when you call voting against the Brady bill "neutral" on gun control, HA

what a piece of manipulative shit.

[NYC_SKP]

73. "she wants to have a conversation about the right target and timeline."

If I found that quote just lying around somewhere, I'd know EXACTLY who said it.

It's totally noncommittal like every other thing she says.

[Thinkingabout]

27. At least everything you see and read doesn't have to be true.

[Agschmid]

31. So everyone is cool with this big ass lie being in GD?

Just checking...

Also it's *Tumblr

[TM99]

36. It really is not a big ass lie.

If we go down the list, it is fairly accurate.

I will go down the list and show why it is fairly accurate.

1) Yes, both Sanders and Clinton are Pro-Choice. Check.

2) Yes, Sanders is for Universal Health Care. No Clinton is not. She argued for mandated health insurance in 2008. Many voted for Obama who was against the mandated insurance option in 2008 only to reverse his position once elected and go full in on HeritageCare. Check.

3) Yes, Clinton is on record as being for 'full' gun control. And Sanders record is more neutral. He has been consistent for some controls on guns but not 'full' control. He still receives an F rating from the NRA so he is definitely not a full blown 'gun nuter'. Check.

4) I am going to address both Against Big Business and Against Wall Street as they are so intimately intertwined. Sanders has been consistently opposed to the excesses of corporations and Wall Street for decades. Clinton has not. She is on record saying that pitchforks are not support for business. She was involved as SoS with drafting aspects of the TPP. She has been a board member of Walmart, one of the most predatory abusers of corporate welfare in this country. On both of those, yes, that is a big Check.

5) Sanders has consistently been against drug criminalization. Clinton since the 1990's has embraced the war on drugs.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11/clinton-legalization-not-the-answer-to-the-drug-war-150696.html one such example. Sanders began speaking about legalizing marijuana as early as 2001. Again, another Check.

6) Sanders is consistent and completely congruent when it comes to money in politics and overturning Citizens United. He has refused to take corporate money. Clinton at best is incongruent only giving lip service at this time to this by stating she will over-turn it but is still taking the money. I would give this a qualified check but it is still closer to being accurate than not.

7) Sanders is definitely against the NSA surveillance state. Clinton has consistently voted for it and supported Obama's positions on it. Check again.

8) Both are in agreement on climate change. Check.

9) As far as affordable college goes, this one is definitely inaccurate and should be changed. Both Sanders and Clinton have a history of proposing legislation and ideas that would make college more affordable. Now to be fair, his idea is more socialist in nature in that he wants the government to cover it like it is in many European countries. Clinton has on the other hand wanted to engage private sector business leaders in making college education more affordable. I would prefer Sanders way, but I would not say she is against affordable education.

10) I addressed the minimum wage above. Sanders has both words and actions to back up his position. At this point in time, we have a recent tweet in support from Clinton but no specific positions or time-frames. So that one is nuanced but not inaccurate. Check.

11) Concerning the NDAA, the TPP, the Patriot Act, and the Iraq War, this is completely accurate. Sanders has been vocally consistent in his opposition to all four and has voted accordingly. Clinton has been inconsistent on the TPP (in fact rather silent) but worked on provisions during her time at State, fully supports and voted for the Iraq War, fully supports and voted for the Patriot Act renewals, and fully supports the NDAA and voted accordingly. Check, check, check and check.

12) As far as internet censorship goes, Sanders again is completely congruent in language and action including votes against such things as SOPA. Clinton has yet again been very incongruent. She has spoken out against censorship but then fully supports prosecution of Manning, Wikileaks & Asange, Snowden, and was completely behind SOPA and CISPA.
http://www.thewire.com/technology/2011/12/hillary-clinton-hero-and-villain-internet/45975/ I would say that again I would give this one a qualified check because it is still closer to being accurate than not.

13) Finally, on the issue of gay marriage. This is another that I have mixed thoughts on. It is true that Sanders has been a vocal supporter of civil rights for LGBT individuals since the 1990's. He voted against DADT and DOMA. Clinton on the other hand had to evolve and did not come out strongly for gay marriage until 2013/2014. If we are saying today, do they both support it, then yes, this one is also wrong and should be corrected. If we are saying that out of the four as far as history goes, then yes, Sanders has been for these rights as long as he has been in politics, the two GOP'ers are totally against and have been, and Clinton was and is no longer.

So, no this graphic is not a huge lie. There are only two out of the seventeen that are questionable. One needs to be changed because it is completely inaccurate, and one needs to be changed because it is nuanced but not completely inaccurate. All of the rest are dead on accurate and shows the striking differences between these two Democratic candidates. There are more differences between them than there are between Clinton and the two GOP candidates on economic policies, foreign policies, and the surveillance state.

And as I argued above, these are the types of graphics that will sway low information voters who learn about candidates from Tumblr and other social networking sites. With two minor adjustments, this would be fully and completely accurate graphic for such a purpose.

[Agschmid]

37. We agree on most of those.

And you agree the chart is factually inaccurate... yet there it is in GD.

Posted by a Democrat, in support of a politician running in the Democratic primary. The OP may in fact be that low information voter you wish to sway, since apparently they didn't even recognize the factual errors.

[TM99]

41. No please read my entire post again.

It is not factually inaccurate. Only one point is which could be changed. Two are nuanced but not inaccurate. The remaining points are all completely accurate.

Would I go with this one as is? No. But as a start, yes. Correct one, clarify two others, and put it out there. Social media is going to be very important again in this Presidential primary and general election. And yes, there are many low information voters. I would prefer it were otherwise but this is the reality.

[Agschmid]

42. When something is wrong, that is factually inaccurate.

Only one point is which could be changed.

[bettyellen]

66. It is "as accurate as it needs to be", LOL. Which translates to, somewhat accurate and deliberately

skewed hit piece on Hillary. Sanders would be mortified by this kind of idiocy.

[bvar22]

60. Excellent Post!!!

There are those here who will try to invalidate the entire post because of one mistake.
That is a Logical Fallacy called "Poisoning the Well"

I am going to copy your rebuttal for future use.
Thanks!

[BrotherIvan]

75. Rec this post

It is important to understand there is a difference between just words and action.

[Binkie The Clown]

35. Well it's pretty clear who we should all be voting for.

(He's got my support. (And I don't mean the two loony birds on the right.))

[BlueStreak]

38. The key point is that Americans support almoast all of those positions > 65%

When you look at where people really stand on the issuesm as opposed to parties or personalities, Americans are STRONGLY in favor of the progressive positions that Bernie (and only Bernie it seems) strongly supports.

[boston bean]

45. The graphic is ridiculous.

[GoneFishin]

46. That is good.

[L0oniX]

48. K & R ...I am so x-posting this in the Bernie Sanders group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1280

[Renew Deal]

51. There are a few mistakes in there.

[upaloopa]

52. Looks like propaganda to me

Very one sided sort of like the negetive adds Bernie was not going to use

[leftofcool]

55. Looks like hogwash.

[tblue]

57. Is Bernie neutral on gun control?

Did not know.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. No.

He voted against the Brady Bill and a bunch of other gun control legislation. And folks will come 'round and say it's because he's from a "rural state".

[cantbeserious]

58. I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[They_Live]

59. Thanks for the reminder

to donate to his campaign. I finally feel as if there is an actual option for someone who represents people.

[Katashi_itto]

61. K&R!

[bettyellen]

65. wow, inaccurate and strangely missing a lot of issues that might make Hillary look good, LOL.

Looks like a fairly uneducated person wrote it - "truly supports gay marriage". HA HA.
I wish I thought you were kidding that you thought this piece of shit was good. And that you don't realize how embracing this is.
Hope BS like this doesn't backfire on Sanders.

[BainsBane]

67. Don't bother asking Clinton her positions

just invent shit. It seems to me if people had a legitimate case they would be able to make an honest, straight forward argument instead of relying on blatant distortion. It's weak and dishonest. You all seem determined to make Sanders look as bad as possible through these sorts of tactics. It's unfortunate you don't think Sanders or the country deserve better than this.

[bettyellen]

69. I too was wondering if this was designed to make Sanders look bad. It is totally embarrassing.

And the excuse is that Hillary looks down on voters? WTF? Is it because of disappointment Warren isn't running?

[BainsBane]

70. If anyone looks down on voters

It's people on DU who insult anyone who using a vowel or phrase they are suspicious of by calling them corporate sell outs or tools of Goldman Sachs or "turd way". They even treat liberal Democrats they agree with on 95 percent of issues as inferior. The idea that that crowd can accuse anyone else of looking down on people is ridiculous. They think associating with a Republican disqualifies someone from public office. How do you think they could possibly hope to persuade Republican voters to support their candidate when they can't bother to treat other Democrats with respect?

[bettyellen]

71. yeah I am kind of embarrassed by this place- too many would rather snap towels at people here than

have an honest conversation. A juvenile mindset has taken over. The rat fuckers must be thrilled.

[jamzrockz]

77. Fan boys playing around on tumblr again

for one HRC has come out in favor of gay marriage and I think has always been in favor of raising the minimum wage.
Bernie Sanders neutral on gun control? really?
Rand Paul is against the NSA, Patriot act, and in favor of marijuana decriminalization
Cruz knows his Dr Seuss

But any serious analysis of these guys position will need to have links, roll calls on bills they voted for. A picture made by a fan boy with no way to verify the info presented shouldn't be taken seriously by any politico.

Seems like Bernie's fan boys are getting very desperate.

[jamzrockz]

78. Its also funny howc

"opposes citizen united" is missing from the list. Its like someone was looking for a reason not to give a tick to HRC.

Also isn't Cruz and Paul weren't in the senate when authorization was passed but now, all 3 agree the war was a bad idea. Should they get at least a neutral for "Against the Iraq war"?