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Democratic Congressman Peter DeFazio denounced a provision discretely hidden in pending trade legislation that would allow governments or corporations to sue countries or states over laws that mandate the labelling of genetically modified foods.
If approved by Congress, the legislation called Trade Promotion Authority, also known as fast track, would not allow Congress to amend or filibuster free trade agreements negotiated by the president and would require and up or down vote within 90 days. Call it the smoking gun, said Oregon Congressman Peter DeFazio. Proof that fast track and massive free trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership are written by and for multinational corporations such as agriculture giant Monsanto. Instead of using trade deals as an opportunity to protect and strengthen consumer rights by joining the countries which require genetically engineered food to be labeled, this administration wants to benefit wealthy corporations at the expense of the public.
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The Monsanto provision included in the bill requires that U.S. negotiators fight for rules in trade agreements that eliminate so-called barriers to markets, such as the labeling of GMOs. Biotechnology companies consider that such information is unnecessary for the consumers and would have a deterrent effect on their profits, because of the numerous concerns over health and/or environment risks that people believe genetically engineered crops and foods. Currently 64 countries require genetically engineered food to be labeled, including Japan, China, Brazil, and the countries of the European Union.
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djean111
(14,255 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And Wyden was running in the primary against DeFazio for his first senate term.
Unfortunately I supported the wrong guy.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)seriously perplexed. Give away the store for a promise that this trade agreement will different.
cali
(114,904 posts)is bullshit.
Segami
(14,923 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)are pro-tpp in some kind of meaningful way. I've not been terribly successful
randr
(12,412 posts)I hope he chooses the high road and invites critics to an open discussion of issues in a public format.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)as described in the OP.
Some more groups fabricating things to increase membership.
cali
(114,904 posts)many aspects of all future trade agreements.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)thus my several posts in this very fucking thread, hoyty, explaining that. duh.
However, I am not having any luck finding the TPA on THOMAS.
now goodbye, hoyt.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)All you know is what a bunch of organizations and sites trying to increase membership and readership tell gullible readers.
Keep looking. Find it or admit you are wrong abot this too.
They_Live
(3,232 posts)to the text?
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)The few members of Congress "qualified" to read it must read it under supervision in an undisclosed location. No joke. They cannot make copies, or even take notes. They are forbidden to discuss the contents with anyone. The Obama administration is trying VERY hard to track down whoever leaked what little info is available. The business about suing sovereign nations is dead-nuts accurate.
They_Live
(3,232 posts)Just wanted Hoyt to corroborate his post, which I knew that he would be unable to do.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Just wondering...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The TPP isn't either if you take some time and look.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I've read every bit of the negotiating documents, goals on the USTR site, Obama's cooments, Duval Patrick, etc. What have you read other than unsubstantiated crud like the OP?
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/trans-pacific-partnership-promises-more-than-prosperity/
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I thought not...
I have a hard time listening to Obama, but I do read what he says...
I read AJ, Guardian UK...among other outlets who have exposed the horrors of TPP...
but to you, they would only print "crud"...
Why would I read the Seattle Times? Especially the opinion pages...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)from the TPA. They spread a lot of junk, but no citations.
pa28
(6,145 posts)(ii) unjustified trade restrictions or
commercial requirements, such as labeling,
that affect new technologies, including
bio-technology;
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)(3) TRADE IN AGRICULTURE.The principal negotiating objective of the United States with re-spect to agriculture is to obtain competitive opportunities for United States exports of agricultural commodities in foreign markets substantially equivalent to the competitive opportunities afforded foreign exports in United States markets and to achieve fairer and more open conditions of trade in bulk, specialty crop, and value added commodities by
. . . . . .(I) developing, strengthening, and clarifying rules to eliminate practices that unfairly decrease United States market access opportunities or distort agricultural markets to the detriment of the United States, and ensuring that such rules are subject to efficient, timely, and effective dispute settlement, including
. . . . . . . . . . .(i) unfair or trade distorting activities of state trading enterprises and other administrative mechanisms, with emphasis on requiring price transparency in the operation of state trading enterprises and such other mechanisms in order to end cross subsidization, price discrimination, and price undercutting;
. . . . . . . . . . .(ii) unjustified trade restrictions or commercial requirements, such as labeling, that affect new technologies, including bio-technology;
. . . . . . .. . . . (iii) unjustified sanitary or phytosanitary restrictions, including restrictions not based on scientific principles
in contravention of obligations in the Uruguay Round Agreements or bilateral or regional trade agreements;
. . . . . . . . . .(iv) other unjustified technical barriers to trade; and
. . . . . . . . . .(v) restrictive rules in the administration of tariff rate quotas;. . . . . . .
http://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/TPA%20bill%20text.pdf
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And remember, all these TPA "negotiating objectives" mean -- even if you interpret that clause as in the OP -- is that if the objectives aren't met in the actual TPP, Congress could withdraw Fast-Track Authority.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Could you please just read the bill next time before asserting a false argument like that? It's fairly short.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)labeling. It does not.
Actually, the language you cited goes back a few years where some countries require weird country of origin labeling. But, in any case, the TPA does not include any language allowing a company to sue over GMO labeling. Of course, anyone can attempt a suit even if there is no trade agreement.
As an aside, while GMOs don't concern me, I see no problem with requiring labeling.
Novara
(5,841 posts)<snip>
They are NOT harmless (especially not to the environment) and rushing headlong into allowing Monsanto to dominate our food supply more than they already do - and make that worldwide - would be a grave mistake.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)That is, when they wrote, in the Bill of Rights:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tenth+Amendment
... did they really mean to say:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF "TRADE" DEALS, in which case not only will all federal laws (including health, safety, labor, environmental, and labeling) previously passed by Congress that now conflicts with the trade deal will be overridden by the terms of the "trade" deal, but any law or regulation by any state, local government, or previously legal action by the people, which conflicts with the "trade" deal will be immediately overridden by the terms of the "trade" deal.
Moreover, if the "trade" deal is submitted to the Congress of these United States under "Fast Track", then the members of Congress shall vote on the entire "trade" bill, including provisions which effect patent law, copyright law, labor law, environmental law, health law, safety law, and product labeling, up or down, without amendment, and without delay."
? ? ?
Is that what Madison had in mind?
Did the framers envision a Monsanto Provision invalidating state and local laws, including food safety and food labeling, on the basis of a "trade" deal arranged by negotiators who viewed state and local food safety and/or food labeling laws a "trade" barrier?
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)wonderful...there you go, presenting FACTS and stuff like that...
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)of the proposed agreements.
and if you hate the monsanto agreement, corporations wrote the rules, I believe there is a lot more in there like that.
Corporations are not just people, they are people how have the power over us.
edited to correct typos.
cali
(114,904 posts)not the tpp. There is nothing secretive about the tpa.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I suggest going to wiki for an overview and typing in trade promotion authority and subsequently typing trans-pacific partnership
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Scientific study may not have found anything terribly wrong with GMO's yet, but that doesn't mean the bill should require our government to fight against anti-gmo opinions and regulations on behalf of these corporations.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)If consumers don't want GMO foods - for whatever reason some people may deem cockamamie - they should have that information available to them so they can make an informed choice. Lots of people buy gluten-free foods even though they don't have celiac disease. There's no reason GMO foods shouldn't be similarly labeled.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Even if by itself it's not really a big deal, it's dangerous in the long term to indulge such movements.
cali
(114,904 posts)my concerns are more environmental: damage to small (particularly organic) farms, insect life, etc. some gmos may be great, others damaging. they are not all the same.
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/the-environmental-impact-of-gmos/
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)There are rational concerns about specific applications of GMO technology, but nothing that rationally justifies labeling anything that utilizes the technology at all.
cali
(114,904 posts)that scientists started speaking out on the hazards of DDT. It wasn't until after the publication of Silent Spring that they reached a consensus.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)It's a form of puritanism, not wanting "holy nature" to be "despoiled" by technological artifices.
cali
(114,904 posts)funny how you have the habit of only addressing the things you think you have a ready answer for.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Forcing companies to label them as GMO provides no meaningful information. It would be like forcing them to say what astrological sign was in the ascendent when the fruit was picked.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)reason to label GMOs is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the matter is best left to sovereign states without concern for punishment should they decide to label them.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)There are volumes of peer-reviewed papers documenting the exact opposite of your misinformed assertion.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)Also:
Over the years, as peer-reviewed scientific studies on GMOs have piled up, scientific organizations ranging from the National Academy of Sciences to the World Health Organization have analyzed them and reached similar conclusions: GMOs on the market today are no riskier for your health than their non-GMO equivalents.
cali
(114,904 posts)should foreign (to those nations) corporations be allowed to bring against against those nations?
Big Blue Marble
(5,075 posts)If there is nothing wrong with GMO's why not let consumers decide what they put in their bodies?
The reason Monsanto and other food producers are fighting against what the majority of consumers
want is not based on science; it is motivated by profits.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)may have something to do with him not fulfilling much that we expected of him...
His signature "Obamacare" is nothing more than a sop to insurance companies...who still control American health care...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Come on people, produce it or admit you are gullible.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)What You Are Looking For Does Not Exist - All We Have Is Lies And Innuendo From Administration Corporate Apologists.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Seriously, you should learn the difference before posting.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eon
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If the ISDS is so bad, why is just about every country in the world well ng to accept it?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)These tribunals have been around since 1959, and Nation States have signed over 2500 trade agreements with the provision.