Bernie Sanders: I CAN BEAT Hillary Clinton

[Segami]

Bernie Sanders, Vermont's independent senator and a self-proclaimed Democratic socialist, says he can beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination in 2016. On CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, Sanders said he thinks he can oust the former secretary of state because, "there is, in my view, massive dissatisfaction in this country today with corporate establishment and the greed of corporate America and the incredibly unequal distribution of wealth and income, which currently exists." And Sanders said his record on that issue over the past 25 years shows that he has led the way in standing up for working families and taking on "the billionaire class," Wall Street, private insurance companies and drug companies. Sanders is hesitant to criticize Clinton, saying that he respects and admires her. But pressed on the question of why he would make a better Democratic nominee, he points to three things: his opposition to the Trans Pacific Partnership, a massive Asia-Pacific trade agreement being negotiated, his vote against the war in Iraq and leadership fighting against it, and the work he has done opposing the Keystone XL pipeline.


"I'm not quite sure Hillary Clinton has come out with a position on that," he said. In a separate interview on "Face the Nation," Democratic strategist Stephanie Cutter said it is still "pretty likely" Clinton will be the Democratic nominee, but that Sanders "has a role to play" in the debate. "I think that there's nobody in the race right now who presents a real challenge to her in terms of taking the nomination away. But it's important to remember and we've been through this process many times, that we are many, many months away from the nomination, never mind the election," she said.


cont'

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-i-can-beat-hillary-clinton/

[JaneyVee]

1. What is he supposed to say?

Of course he has to say that. May the best candidate win.

[yeoman6987]

69. My thoughts exactly

He can't say well my chances are slim but we will see how it plays out. That would be a horrible strategy.

[totodeinhere]

96. Bernie is one of the few genuine and honest politicians out there.

If he says he can beat HRC he means it.

[lewebley3]

194. Bernie, has had and no experience or Responsibilities concerning the country!

He has no accomplishments, he has not lead, he works for a state
that has only liberals and a population of 600,0000.

And, I am sorry to be the one to tell you he is a politician too!

[totodeinhere]

201. Considering what a mess the so-called experienced politicians have made of things

perhaps we need to try something else.

[lewebley3]

216. Bernie is an experienced politician, but not an effective one!

He has sat congress for years doing nothing!

[Helen Borg]

103. If she goes down with a deadly scandal then...

he may have a good chance...

[winter is coming]

106. I don't see her going down with a scandal.

I think it's more likely she'll make some equivalent of a "47%" remark, something that goes viral and exposes her as being out of touch with voters.

[Helen Borg]

163. Yup, if she makes a major mistake than Bernie has a chance...

[treestar]

171. I agree the right has squeezed all the scandal they can get out of her

[Spitfire of ATJ]

145. You mean like Benghazi?

[Helen Borg]

164. Does not need to be based on reality...

[still_one]

126. I know, This is supposed to be news? Our media and the questions they post are a bunch of clowns.

If we had more people like Jon Stewart asking the questions, we might actually get into the real issues

[cyberswede]

183. Why are you here?

Doesn't seem like you're a Democrat.

[cyberswede]

186. We all know Jim Robinson is an asshole.

[RiverNoord]

189. lol...

So it's somehow notable that a candidate for the Presidency claims he can win, some... 17 months before the election?

In other news, the planet earth continues to exist...

[RB TexLa]

2. Let's see him put his money where his mouth is

33 to 1, if he believes it he should lay some money on it.


http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=482040

[Thinkingabout]

5. Lots of money.

[leftofcool]

57. +1

[daleanime]

79. How much money do you think he has?

[BrotherIvan]

8. So now we're picking candidates by who has the best odds?

[RB TexLa]

10. No just saying if he thinks he will win, it's there for him to take

[BrotherIvan]

13. It's not a horse race, though to some will be rooting for the horse they put the most money on

Bernie was right when he said our current situation requires serious discussions about serious issues. Nyah, nyah you can't raise enough money you loser! is not quite what he was talking about.

[imthevicar]

41. or who can raise the most money!

[BrotherIvan]

61. Guess the "we're no better than the other guys" sort of applies

[imthevicar]

136. No Sir, Don't lump me in with that crew.

I support Mr. Sanders and if he Falls out of the race than I stay home The lesser of two evils is still evil.

[randys1]

203. Even if one of the lesser will push for Women dying in back alleys?

Even if one of the lesser pushes to stop protecting voting rights?

Even if one of the lesser works to eliminate the EPA, public schools, regulations of polluters?

Even if one of the lesser works to encourage discrimination and hatred of Gay folks?

I could go on, but somehow I suspect most who take your position arent effected by this stuff.

[A Simple Game]

22. You seem to have made a mistake, Bernie's not the one in this to get rich,

that would be the other candidate. You know, the one that was broke when she and her husband left the White House, and 5 speeches later was a millionaire.

[L0oniX]

178. +1

[RoccoR5955]

43. Cheeses rice!

Why do people think elections are gambling events?
This really ticks me off to no end!

The economy is so bad that now people want to bet on freakin' elections.
When will the garbage end? Probably not until I am dead!

[BrotherIvan]

62. If you're going to sell out, sell out all the way

[Oilwellian]

70. Indeed

Sell out is what it is.

[L0oniX]

131. Souls for sale.

[RoccoR5955]

166. My shoes are getting worn out.

Do you have any soles for them?

[RB TexLa]

73. People have bet on politics forever

Of course there's wagering

[zeemike]

74. Well we have been sold the idea that money is what elects them.

And have forgot that in the end it is votes.

The garbage will end when we end it by not playing that game...a game that is rigged and we can never win.

[raindaddy]

51. As opposed to Hillary, who puts her mouth where her money isn't

And makes her decisions where her money is.

[840high]

138. Wheee! +10

[hootinholler]

63. I'd take that bet.

For 100. But the US is outside their terms of service.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Let the fella have his day./NT

[frylock]

75. he's put his money where his mouth is by entering the race..

dafuq is this shit?

[totodeinhere]

97. Maybe he's not a gambler.

n/t

[Helen Borg]

104. Warren 16/1???

But she is not even running...

[RB TexLa]

113. There are lot's of people who are not running you can bet on

Even people not on that list.

You were able to place a bet on either Clinton or Sanders before they announced. And you would have gotten much higher odds too.

[cui bono]

124. Um... he's running a race against her. He IS putting his 'money' where his mouth is.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

146. ...

[True Blue Door]

3. Minor style quibble: Too many words. Reduces the impact of the statement.

He can work on it.

[blm]

4. I think he's handling himself well in every appearance.

Exactly who he is.

Saying exactly what more people need to hear in a voice that resonates with everyday Americans.

[Thinkingabout]

7. He is a politician, even Rove said Romney was going to win but had to accept reality.

[RoccoR5955]

45. Romborg, and a lot of folks' messages have changed over the years

Bernie's has not!
He has remained consistent, and he is honest. I know many people. RepubliCON people, who, even though they disagree with many of Bernie's ideas, would vote for him just for his consistency and honesty!

[Thinkingabout]

46. Then Bernie may have to accept the fact his message is not going to win him the presidency.

[RoccoR5955]

48. Oh? Why not?

Because people want corporations to continue to get huge tax breaks?
Because people want income inequality?
Because people want to pay the most in the world for healthcare?
Because people want to be in debt for forty years or so for student loans?
Because people want corporations to keep their overseas tax havens?
Because people want more war?
Because people want global climate change?

I believe that you are quite mistaken.

He keeps telling the same thing, and it keeps winning him elections. The last time he ran, he got 71% of the vote. I believe that he can do at least that good, because people want honesty, consistency, and someone who speaks for WE THE PEOPLE, not them, the corporations.

[brooklynite]

59. 71% in Vermont?

A bellweather State for the national electorate?

[RoccoR5955]

115. I take it you have no experience in dealing with people in Vermont.

There is a good mix of people there. The neighboring state, New Hampshire is often a bellwether state when it comes to national elections. Why not Vermont?

[brooklynite]

123. New Hampshire skews much more conservative in its Republicans...

[RoccoR5955]

135. Oh, I take it that you have been there then?

Is this how you know?

[Rex]

142. LOL!

Goodluck!

[brooklynite]

143. I travel there regularly for Presidential Primaries...

[RoccoR5955]

167. So you know the people in the state

because you have been to presidential primaries?

[brooklynite]

176. I also know the US Senator and what her campaigns are like...

Doe that help?

[RoccoR5955]

188. Doe has nothing to do with it.

Doe a deer, a female deer
Re, a drop of golden sun.
Mi, a name, I call my self
Fa, a long long way to run....

But it does help in that I know that you have a certain bias, because you personally know a US Senator.
Thank you for that information.

[brooklynite]

191. Apparently you don't know me well; I know many Senators...

...and because of that I do tons of research about their electoral prospects and the political landscape in their States.

I'll also direct you to Gallup's analysis of States by Liberalism - Conservativism.

Vermont: 32.4% Liberal 59.2% non-Liberal
New Hampshire: 25% Liberal 72.5% non-Liberal

[RoccoR5955]

192. define non-liberal

without using the term conservative please.

[brooklynite]

196. The polling is self-defined. This is the addition of identified moderates and identificonservatives

[RoccoR5955]

193. I don't know you from a hole in the wall.

I have been involved with LOCAL stuff here in Ulster County. I moved up from Brooklyn 35 years ago. So I know Brooklyn, and I know the people there, as well as their attitudes. I am a Brooklynite by birth. Born and raised there, just like Bernie! (only my family was poorer. We lived in E. 71st and Ave. X for a long time, then lived in the projects on E. 108th St and Flatlands.)
I have lived in Flatbush, Midwood, Bensonhurst, Canarsie, Coney Island, Sheepshead Bay and Bay Ridge when I moved out of my parents place. I had to. I used to use my bicycle to get around when I lived there.
Now in the Hudson Valley, I have been active with the organizations who want to make sure that our Hudson River remains clean, and accessible to all. I have worked with Clearwater, Riverkeeper, and Scenic Hudson. I have been an active member in my town Democratic Party for 20 years, and a member of the Ulster County Democratic Woman for about 10 years (even though I am not a woman). I have met senators, congress critters, as well as many local politicos.

I know that these mainstream media outlets like Gallop have polls that come out the way that they expect them, because they engineer the questions to do so, so I do not believe any of them. As far as I am concerned, people are people. We all have pretty much the same needs. We all pretty much have the same goals.

I have met both Mrs. Clinton when she was running for Senate in NY, and Senator Sanders at a function that a cousin invited me to in Vermont. I have to say that Bernie is a more personal, and genuine individual. That is just what I see. Maybe it's because we both came from the same place at roughly the same time, maybe it's not. Sometimes you just get a feeling when you meet a person.

[brooklynite]

197. I've met with both of them as well, and I would agree that Bernie is more "personal"...

...but a national election campaign doesn't allow most voters to meet each candidate personally. Outside of early days in New Hampshire or Iowa, retail campaigning is virtually impossible. That leaves debates (which have a limited audience outside political junkies) and paid advertising as the primary ways to convey a message. And I don't see how Sanders is able to afford a national campaign team and paid media given his likely limitations in fundraising.

In any event, this discussion started with the assertion that Sanders' 71% vote share in Vermont was in some way reflective of his performance elsewhere. Given the higher conservative (self-identified) share of voters in NH AND given the fact that Clinton won against an arguably more liberal Obama in 2008, I'm not seeing a path forward for him.

[RoccoR5955]

199. Again I disagree

Most people will find out about Bernie on social media and by word of mouth. Like I have previously said elsewhere, people do not watch tv any more. People engage in social media and with each other. With enough volunteers, small donations, continued exposure in social media, I do not see that the old paradigm of lots of money for huge paid staff, and a lot of mainstream media advertising holds true in this case.
You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but you must realize that there are changes happening in society today, and the old ways may not be as valid as they have nice were.

[Pyrzqxgl]

205. Dough Has Everything to do with it.

[RoccoR5955]

210. Dough was not mentioned, doe was.

I guess that English must be your second language, so here's an explaination.
Dough is slang for money, or what ends up being baked in the oven to become bread. (Note: "Bread" is sometimes used for a slang for money)
Doe is a female deer. Do, re, mi, is a song to help beginners learn musical scales, which is what my poem was.

I hope this helps you learn the English language.

[OilemFirchen]

190. This is fun!

I've lived in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Florida. Ever been to any of those states?

[brooklynite]

198. Funny you should ask...

I've worked on Presidential and Congressional campaigns in Ohio and Florida; and I know the head of the ODP.

[OilemFirchen]

206. And yet,

according to your interlocutor Vermont is a bellwether state.

[brooklynite]

207. You apparently missed the question mark...

[OilemFirchen]

208. No, and I'm agreeing with you.

To your interlocutor: Though I've never been there, I can say with certainty that Vermont is utterly irrelevant in the context of national elections. Dayton, Ohio - the country's test market, the Crossroads of America - an industrial wasteland with a roughly 50/50 split between whites and minorities - is a bellwether.

Have you ever been here?

[RoccoR5955]

211. I have passed through Dayton

I do not know the people there though.
I do feel that Bernie's message will resonate with these people there, whose industry picked up and moved overseas, due to the good work of Mrs. Clinton's husband.
Those polls of the past do not work too well today either.

[OilemFirchen]

212. Friend, those industries - Frigidaire and GM - left town in the 70s.

The last two remaining Fortune 500 headquarters burnt rubber recently - NCR to Atlanta in 2009 and Mead to Richmond, VA in 2006. Sadly, you can't blame "Mrs. Clinton's husband" for any of that.

The largest employer in the county is Wright Patterson AFB.

No. Sander's message will not resonate here. And we're still a pretty solidly Democratic city.

[RoccoR5955]

215. I guess if the Military Industrial Complex is the largest employer

It will not.

[Thinkingabout]

85. He has to sell himself, his qualifications, his record and his ability to handle all aspects of

Being president. Hillary and Bernie are in the same position on many issues, I really doubt Bernie willingness to handle national security issues.

[RoccoR5955]

114. Please

I think that the two candidates differ a lot on things like trade and finance.
These are big issues.
As far as Bernie's willingness and ability to handle national security issues I have great faith. He does have the experience, as well as the qualifications to be our next president. If people see what he is really made of, he shall be.

[winter is coming]

107. No. He has the right message for the current climate, and the history to prove

that it's not just something he focus-grouped before jumping into the race. His biggest weakness is being a comparative unknown.

[Thinkingabout]

110. His message is not the right for many others, he will have to sell himself and the one with the

Most votes wins. Bernie is not anointed to the nomination, he will have to win.

[winter is coming]

111. ?? I never claimed he was "annointed", only that populism is the right message for the current

climate in America. As Hillary knows, else she wouldn't be "reintroducing" herself to us as a populist.

[RoccoR5955]

117. I couldn't agree more. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

118. She has been for minimum wage increases for many years, wanted to tie wage increases to Congress

Getting raises. She has been an advocate for children for years, early education, women's issues, this could go on for a while. She does not need to reintroduce herself as a populist except for those who listens to talking points that are not factual.

With those who cry Hillary has name recognition means she is already introduced, looks like Bernie is the one who will have to introduce himself.

[RoccoR5955]

116. And once people find out who he is

and his record they SHALL nominate him!

[Thinkingabout]

119. I have been looking at his record and he has some positions I do not like.

[RoccoR5955]

158. Like what? n/t

[Thinkingabout]

160. For one which I have given several times is national security.

[RoccoR5955]

165. Oh, so may I presume

that you would exchange freedom for security?
Isn't the environment national security?
Isn't having jobs in the US national security?
Isn't having good quality air, and water national security?

You do know that there is no Plan(et) B when it comes to the Earth, don't you?

[Thinkingabout]

169. If we are living under threats in which we are, yes security is more important. Do you lock

your doors at home, do you attempt to secure your personal assets? Why are you giving up your freedom to just walk into your residence without having to use a key? Do you depend on the local law enforcement to respond when you call, you know you are giving up freedoms in driving as fast as you want, etc. Yes we give up freedoms for security. Do I want our children to go to school and feel safe? Yes I do and hopefully there will never be another Sandy Hook.

[stonecutter357]

156. And once people find out who he is.

Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains.

Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership.

Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers.

Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

[RoccoR5955]

157. So you are against him for ONE issue?

That's nice.

[stonecutter357]

159. i love Bernie

i am not against him never will be despite his fans best effort.

[treestar]

173. that could show rigid thinking

all those years and something has to have changed or you're not thinking.

No R will vote for what they consider a communist because they are "honest."

The right wing is just as confident that if only people heard the message, they would realize it was right. That's when we get so tied to our own opinion, we think we are so right that other people will just go along.

[KingCharlemagne]

29. Sanders' delivery reminds me most of Harry S. Truman: plain-spoken, non-condescending and

above all, honest. Truman was a bit conservative for his time, especially on foreign policy, but Sanders and he would probably see eye to eye on the main issues of the day.

[djean111]

6. I truly believe that some here actually believe the primaries should go like this:

Hillary - I want to be president

Bernie, O'Malley, et al. - Oh! Okay!

[BrotherIvan]

11. And every member runs out and votes for her - OR ELSE!

[rock]

40. A meme which has been beat to death

by every anti-Hillary poster but is purely mythic.

[winter is coming]

108. The attitude is there, and so, occasionally, are the words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6638157

"I'd rather Clinton spend time and money speaking out against Republican policy, not fighting off pests in the party."

[cui bono]

121. Wow. That is astounding.

That poster really believes we should not have a primary.

Democracy be damned!

[winter is coming]

122. Yeah, that left me kind of whomperjawed. n/t

[morningfog]

140. There are a few Hillary supporters who have chips on their

shoulders and are just plain jerks. Thankfully, there are only a few here on DU. Most are supportive of Hilary and respectful of the process and other candidate. The jerks could learn something from them.

[L0oniX]

132. "pests in the party" Yeah ...how dare they not be useful serfs.

[Hiraeth]

9. Yes, he can.

[boston bean]

12. I heard the word yes, not the phrase "I can beat Hillary Clinton".

maybe it slipped by me.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. "Do you think you can beat Hillary Clinton...?" "The answer is yes..." 2:15 into the clip.

How'd that slip by you? Selective hearing, or just fingers in ears going lalalalalalala?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. The media wants him to trash Hillary instead of talking about the issues.

[LuvLoogie]

25. I think O'Malley will be happy to do them the favor

If he ever make's up his mind

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. I half expect some "democrats" to show up on FOX "News" to trash her.

[blm]

33. And Bernie wants to talk about the issues instead of trashing Hillary.

I have trashed Clintons here at DU since DU's first primary cycle (2002-2004). I am with Bernie - you can discuss the issues going on today without trashing Clinton to do it.

In fact, I think some of our more recent members here at DU can benefit from the warning - Do NOT allow corpmedia to control the narrative. Even when you THINK there is something there - research further and apply CONTEXT.

Corpmedia is NOT to be trusted.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

49. Bernie is smart enough to use his face time on TV to talk to America instead of the media.

[RoccoR5955]

47. Exactly...

Only Bernie has never had a negative campaign, and shall not bash Mrs. Clinton. Instead he will talk up his points, as he always has.
THIS is something that people are glad to see. This shall get him independent as well as RepubliCON votes.

And I also see him stating that he is a democratic socialist, and not a socialist. This early on, the media is trying to trash even him, but Bernie just keeps explaining what he means by democratic socialism, and his views for WE THE PEOPLE. Always consistent, always honest, because he votes the way he speaks. People love this, even if they disagree with his politics. With Bernie, what you see, is what you get.

[treestar]

172. Which will take focus away from his message

which is what his supporters rely on.

[Geronimoe]

15. Of course he can win against Wall Street darling Hillary

Hillary is just Romney in a pant suit driving around in a Scooby Doo van.

[OilemFirchen]

213. And those cankles!

Amiright?

[Gregorian]

16. He calls himself a democratic socialist, not an independent socialist, you numbnut old man.

Sorry, that was a bit harsh.

[eloydude]

20. Because he is a Democratic socialist

I am one too. A proud member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

www.dsausa.org

[KingCharlemagne]

32. Truth in advertising: Sanders is actually a 'Social Democrat' and NOT a

'Democratic Socialist.' The former believes capitalism can work with tweaks and regulations; the latter believe the means of production should be publicly owned and operated.

[yeoman6987]

71. Doesn't matter

He respectfully asked us to call him a Democratic Socialist and we should do so. His wishes trump all.

[cantbeserious]

17. I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[Initech]

19. [phone]

[SoapBox]

24. ^^^This!^^^

[madokie]

27. I'm ready for Bernie

[Cali_Democrat]

88. You think Hillary is evil? nt

[ladyVet]

90. For the first time in more than thirty years, I won't have to hold my nose when I vote.

I will finally be able to cast my ballot for someone I believe in. This makes me one very happy old lady! I'd pretty much made up my mind to skip the election, if all I had was Hillary and some guys I never heard of.

[pocoloco]

18. Can't help remembering this dailykos cartoon!

?1429127468

somebody got nose up elephant's ass

[BeyondGeography]

21. Very good appearance by Bernie

Sometimes he can come off a little hot/angry instead of cool/reasonable. Maybe he's getting some advice (and taking it) because it's clearly the latter here.

[JoePhilly]

23. He has to prove that he WILL WIN in the General Election.

And he has to prove that to many many democrats that already believe that Hillary WILL WIN the General Election over any Republican.

Bernie and his supporters have to realize this, or he has no chance to win the nomination..

[RoccoR5955]

53. Bernie SHALL win the general election because

People want someone with consistency, honesty, and walks the walk as well as talks the talk.
I know of many RepubliCON voters who say, for these reasons alone, even though they disagree with much of Bernie's platform, would vote for him.

[totodeinhere]

98. I think he has a good chance but nobody can prove they can win.

HRC can't prove she can win either.

[JoePhilly]

152. Many already believe she will win.

Go talk to run of the mill Democrats. Not just the DU bubble.

Your average Democrat does not, under any circumstances, want to let the GOP win.

[totodeinhere]

162. Belief and proof are two different things. You said he had to prove

he could win.

I don't want the GOP to win either. That's why I'm supporting Bernie because he has a good chance of winning.

[JoePhilly]

168. You are not listening.

Bernie currently has a relatively small base of followers who, like you, believe is has a "good chance of winning". Great.

Meanwhile, Hillary already has a large group of people who believe that she WILL beat any GOP challenger.

You need those people to SWITCH to Bernie.

And telling them that you dislike Hillary, or you dislike Bill, or you think they are stupid, or DINOs, or 3rd Way hacks, won't help strengthen Bernie's position in their eyes.

The first three primary states are critical. If Bernie wins a few of those, he's got a shot.

[totodeinhere]

200. Some people may, but I never speak ill of another Democrat.

And that's one of the rules at the Bernie group. We sing the praises of Bernie but we don't tear down other Democrats.

[JoePhilly]

204. Sounds good to me ...

... but on DU outside the Bernie group ... that's not quite how its working.

[totodeinhere]

209. Well I can only speak for myself. Actually I like Hillary Clinton and I could

enthusiastically vote for her if she gets the nomination. And I think it's high time we broke the glass ceiling and elected a woman president.

But in this case I have decided to endorse Bernie Sanders mainly because he is not accepting large donations from millionaires and billionaires and he will not be using a PAC. That is a welcome breath of fresh air in this era of Citizens United and long overdue. Call me naive if you want to but I think it's time somebody took a stand and I'm glad Bernie did it.

Regarding others outside the Bernie group, most I'm sure are good people but some of the most negative stuff could be coming from disruptors with their own agenda. There is always going to be a certain amount of that.

[winter is coming]

109. Every nominee has to prove that. At this point in an election cycle, "will win" is determined

by name recognition. We were told Hillary "would win" in 2007 and she couldn't even manage the nomination.

[JoePhilly]

150. Then beating Hillary should be easy.

btw ... in 2008 Hillary took the caucus states for granted ... think she'll do that again?

[L0oniX]

133. Hillary has already proven she can lose.

[JoePhilly]

149. You aren't listening.

[joshcryer]

144. Anyone with the Democratic nod can win against the clown car.

[JoePhilly]

148. Then Bernie should have no problem beating Hillary.

[joshcryer]

151. The US primary is not (yet) a clown car.

Nor should it become one.

But Sanders has a shot. No one should count him out.

Even if I agree with others that it's a long shot, it's still non-zero, and I have little respect for those saying it's a zero chance.

[JoePhilly]

153. Where did I count him out?

re-Read my post and find where I said he can't win.

If Bernie and his supporters don't convince average Dems that he would definitely win, he won't beat her in the primary.

That's the only reason Obama beat her in 2008. He was able to cross that threshold. And he did not do it by attacking Hillary, or her supporters.

[HassleCat]

28. Under Certain Conditions

If the debates are conducted seriously, with actual discussion of the issues, and not so much emphasis on personalities, and TV talking heads comments about "gravitas" and "electability" and those other mysterious qualities only TV talking heads seem qualified to judge. Bernie Sanders represents someone who is more direct, more honest, less subject to spinning and parsing than... ahem... some of the other candidates. So he has a chance to present himself as a "breath of fresh air." The problem is the media, and their love of soundbytes and soundbyte candidates. They like candidates who play to their tune, and they tend to marginalize candidates who attempt any sort of in-depth discussion. They also like it when candidates smear each other, and... ahem... one of the other candidates has a powerful campaign organization just itching to explore the possibilities of the label "socialist." I guess we can hope Sanders gets a fair shot, even though it seems unrealistic to expect he will be treated fairly.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

30. This gives the lie to all the people claiming Sanders is 100% honest. N.T.

[KingCharlemagne]

34. Care to elaborate on your 'this'? - nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

36. The claim that he can beat Clinton.

I think there are people on DU detached enough from reality that they genuinely believe that.

But Sanders is nowhere near that dumb. He knows damn well that he can't beat Clinton but, like all politicians, he knows that he has to claim he can win, or no-one will vote for him.

As lies go, it's a white one, but the DUers claiming he doesn't tell even those have annoyed me slightly.

[KingCharlemagne]

39. Two months ago, Sanders was polling at (give-or-take) 1%. Now in the

latest Quinnipiac polling, he's polling at 18%, far ahead of Biden's 5% and O'Malley's 2%. During the same time frame, Hillary's support has actually declined a couple percentage points.

If we're talking little white lies, I think this statement might qualify:

"I have known Hillary Clinton for twenty five years. I respect and admire her."

Every Socialist I know despises Hillary.

[Segami]

67. Lets hope...

nothing new surfaces with Hillary because if the public impression is that she's covering up or hiding dirt on anything, or she has a 'Mitt Romney 47% moment', those percentage numbers will begin to tank.


Lets see what she's polling in a month.

[Logical]

44. LOL, Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008. Bet you thought the same thing then. nt

[RoccoR5955]

50. +1 n/t

[pocoloco]

94. I think there are people on DU detached enough from reality that they genuinely believe that

Hillary could win a Presidential election!

Ever wonder why so many repugs are throwing their hats in the ring to get
the chance to run against her??

[Donald Ian Rankin]

99. I think the odds are against Clinton, but she has a chance.

I think the odds are so heavily against Sanders that "he can't win" is a fair summary.

I think that the number of republicans seeking the nomination is no more evidence that Clinton is a weaker candidate than usual than the level of rainfall in Ohio in the last 10 weeks is.

[L0oniX]

134. She lost to Obama ...that is reality.

[morningfog]

141. They are chomping at the bit for Hillary to be the nominee.

Repubs want it to be Hillary so badly. She will motivate the republican voters like no one else could. Money will flow to the repub nominee and I am not at all convinced Hillary would win.

[Metric System]

202. So many Rethugs are throwing in their hats because there's no clear front runner in their party, and

there hasn't been the last few election cycles. It's more realistic to believe Hillary could win a Presidential election than Bernie, based on polling alone. If we're detached from reality, Sanders supporters are off in space.

[totodeinhere]

100. You have it backward. Bernie is one of the few honest and genuine politicians and if he

says he can win he means it.

[hootinholler]

55. Good one!

Got another?

[treestar]

174. True.

It's kind of funny too how it's the same people who were so "disappointed" in Obama. And weren't able to trust any politician again.

[Vinca]

31. Bernie will have a tough time beating Hillary in the primary, but I think it's possible.

If he is the Democratic nominee I think he wins the election.

[imnew]

35. How anyone that calls them selves a Democrat would vote for Clinton instead of this man

is a disgrace to the term Democrat .

That's FACT

[Donald Ian Rankin]

37. Some people have this irrational attachment to winning elections...

[imnew]

82. If Clinton wins this primary we will lose

[Donald Ian Rankin]

83. Probably, but not certainly.

Since WWII, there has only been one period (1980 - 1992) where one party held the presidency for more than 8 years; incumbency is a serious millstone to overcome, whoever the Democrats select.

However, if Sanders wins the primary, the Republicans are certain to win.

[sunnystarr]

179. Nice to see there's still a voice of reason on DU

I sure hope there are others who will speak out.

[CentralMass]

72. Bernie is the first real democrat that we have had running

in a long time. He has my support

[imnew]

81. It's amazing to me the support some DU members are giving Clinton

Is it because they feel she's entitled to it after losing to Obama her first try..

Is it because she's a female???

Without me stepping over the line as a new member
which I don't want to do but tome Clinton is closer to a moderate republican
than a Democrat in many of her views .

I don't get this devotion to her by some DU members

[Historic NY]

112. Hint is Democratic Underground.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

One person is a Democrat and the other is Johnnie come Lately.....you tell me.

[imnew]

127. So progressive views be damned as long as someone claims a D in front

of her name.

I guess that's the way it is here..

[brooklynite]

217. There's no value in progressive views if you don't get elected to implement them...

I crunch a lot of data on the prospects of political candidates I'm thinking of supporting, and I see a strong prospect that Clinton beats any likely Republican. Give me an explanation of how Sanders assembles 270 Electoral Votes.

[treestar]

175. Because she's a Democrat and he's not?

[KingCharlemagne]

38. I especially like the way Sanders pivoted off Schieffer's bumbling

nonsense about 'socialist' to clarify that he's really touting 'Social Democracy' of the Scandinavian countries (at the 0:43 mark).

Progress for us Socialists comes in small steps, but come it does! Better red than dead!

[RoccoR5955]

54. He does that like a champ.

This will win him the election as well. No negativity, but pivot on the question, and talk up his platform.

[hootinholler]

42. I hope you don't mind me cross posting this to the Bernie group

Thanks for posting the video I missed it this morning!

[brooklynite]

56. "Face The Nation"?

another example of the media ignoring Sanders?

[hootinholler]

77. Seems like it's getting harder to ignore him

I think that's a good thing.

[Jefferson23]

58. K&R

[AJH032]

60. I like that both of our candidates (so far) are being respectful to each other

to both Bernie and Hillary, I hope it continues.

[libdem4life]

68. Will be even more fun when the Clown Car Candidates start their backstabbing for votes. n/t

[lobodons]

64. Not concerned about Bernie beating Hillary.

I am more concerned about Bernie beating the GOP candidate. They will hit him and hit him and hit him some more about being a Socialist and the GOP has the messaging thing down so it will work. Bernie will not get the Independents or GOP cross overs needed to win General. AND then we will be stuck with the GOP picking the next 2 SCOTUS. 6-3 or 7-2 Conservative SCOTUS for next 30 years. NO THANKS!!!!!

[dgibby]

84. I'm an Indy and so are many of my friends.

We, and many of my Dem friends, are supporting Bernie in the Primary. If he doesn't win, I'll support the Dem in the general election. I'm 69 years old, and Bernie is that rare breed-an honest man. I just wish we had more like him.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

65. One thing I really like about him.

He's not afraid of the language.

[Enthusiast]

76. I liked the way Bernie handled that. He seemed to get a dry mouth there for a minute.

He needs to keep his own water source because you cannot trust the Fascists that surround us to play fair.

[99Forever]

78. Bernie Sanders WILL beat Hillary Clinton.

Then stomp whichever psycho the Teapublicans have driving the clown car in the general.

[navarth]

80. Good test for Bernie going up against Scheiffer The Clueless

I thought Bernie showed class all the way.

Scheiffer....I still get pissed off when I remember what he did to Ned LaMont. Scheiffer phones it in, every time.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

102. "Scheiffer The Clueless"

No shit.

"Nationalize the railroads"???

Hasn't he ever heard of "Amtrak"?

[hrmjustin]

86. And he will have the opportunity to prove that.

[kentuck]

87. Bernie is running against the system more than he is running against Hillary.

More for the corporations or more for the people?

[Flying Squirrel]

89. "He has a role to play"

Unintentional truth? The entire nomination process is a play put on for us.

[DCBob]

91. Every candidate says they can win.

Some are more believable than others.

[totodeinhere]

101. I agree with that. And when it comes to believable Bernie comes out on top.

Contrast him with another candidate who is in the race.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

93. As crappy as Schiefer is,

and thank God he's retiring soon, at least he didn't interrupt. His questions got a bit swarmy, but Bernie did a fine job. I see more TV interviews like this with thoughtful people, more volunteer sign-ups, more cash and HOUSE PARTIES would carry Bernie to the finish line in the primaries. If he wins the primaries, he wins the White House. Yeah!

[yellowwoodII]

95. He Voted Against the Iraq War

That's enough for me. He's got my vote.

By the way, in case anyone forgot, Hillary voted for it.

[Ron Green]

105. I gave him $100 last week. How about you?

And you?


And you?

[99Forever]

125. I gave what I could afford and there will be more.

But thanks to neoliberals and neocons, it wasn't nearly as much as I would have liked.

And I have volunteered my time to his campaign. How about you? Are you volunteering your time to work for OUR movement?

[cui bono]

120. Hell yes you can!!! The people agree with Bernie on just about every one of his positions.

[woo me with science]

128. K&R

[L0oniX]

129. K & R

[SmittynMo]

130. It's pretty simple.

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This guy has a lot of Ross Perot in him. Kinda looks like him too.

There are a lot of issues that our corporate bought politicians will never discuss. These politicians are not for the "majority of people" in this country. They are bought and paid for the 1%ers. So guess what the politicians will support? Yep, the 1%. Not everyone else. What Bernie is doing is as noble as anyone can do. He's trying to save this country. I personally feel this may be our last time to fix all the corruptness that has transpired in Washington, and you can start with Citizens United. He is the only one that has the balls to speak out and act upon all the things wrong with the store bought politicians. I know this next year and 1/2 will very interesting, since he thinks he can win. I personally think it is a monumental task, going against all that money.

As with every election, "We the people" have to get off our asses and get the word out. This man is the ONLY person looking out for us. No one, and I mean no one else, will ever support the lower and middle class like this guy. This is the message he has to portray to win. He's certainly got my vote. My job is now to convince my wife, that he's better than Hilliary. Wish me luck. I will survive!!!

Go Bernie Go!!!!

[cstanleytech]

137. The problem isnt beating Hillary the problem is winning the election.

If I think he can do that come election time then I will vote for him and if I dont think he can then I will support someone else and vote for them and if thats Hillary then so be it.

[quaker bill]

147. it actually goes the other way

If Bernie becomes large enough to beat Hillary, he will coast through the general. As in 2008, Hillary is the bigger contest.

[cstanleytech]

181. Your welcome to that opinion but for me I will support whatever democrat is chosen.

Not because I think they will be the best president ever but because the republican candidates are all so far to bat shit insane to be entrusted with the office.

[quaker bill]

214. we agree on that

[whereisjustice]

139. Hillary's world view has led to the problems we face today, Wall Street gives her $300,000+ per

speech, in return she tells Wall Street that it's not their fault, forgives their fraud and sends more jobs to Asia.

[Alkene]

154. !!!

[B Calm]

155. When Bernie's poll numbers rise as high as Hillary's, I'll believe him.

[RoccoR5955]

195. They shall get there...

Just give it time.

[Orsino]

161. No, he can't.

But if we pull together in a good direction, we can start beating on our problems instead of each other.

Bernie's got the best answers to the big questions. It just comes down to how many of us agree.

[treestar]

170. No he can't

And he would lose the general election in McGovern numbers.

[Marrah_G]

177. Yes he can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cyberswede]

184. Your'e a racist and you don't belong here.

tick tock

[d_legendary1]

187. You're sick dude

Get help.