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[mmonk]

1. Nope.

Solidified mine and my son's.

[applegrove]

2. I think it is 53% of people who are for gay marriage. It will get the kids out.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. If his team thought it would --

they wouldn't have allowed him to say it.

[Sarcasticus]

5. I agree.

Obama's a smart pol.

[HockeyMom]

4. Massachusetts was the first state to legalize Gay Marriage

and Romney was Governor. Repukes you have a big problem with this, and many others.

[dmallind]

6. How many people that much opposed to it would consider him in the first place? nt

[hifiguy]

7. Nope. The fence-sitters don't have this anywhere near

the top of their issue checklist. The polls I've seen show a fairly strong measure of support for marriage equality among independents. The people his statement offends were never going to vote for him anyway.

[jp11]

8. It is a risk but there are so many variables I don't think it alone will

be the single thing that costs him the election.

It would have been better to 'evolve' on this earlier when it could've been 'accepted' by more people who maybe aren't there yet or to have it have less of an 'impact' on people who might take issue with it.

The presidency and the fate of the house/senate are the democrat's to lose. They have so many instances of the republican's ignoring American's concerns, being completely bought, out of touch, etc failing to rally all those who share the same beliefs (again as in 2008) is purely on the democratic party.

[RZM]

9. Of course not

This isn't going to be a social issues election, which is perhaps one reason he felt he could make his announcement today.

It's going to be an economy and jobs election.

[bigwillq]

10. No (nt)

[longship]

11. Nope, this will be some Obama 'Rope-A-Dope'

The Republicans are going to jump the shark over today's pronouncements. They are already foaming at the mouth even about women rights to vote. This is going to send them spiraling out of control.

The teabaggers will never shut up about this. It gives President Obama the perfect setup to take the knockout punch.

I sincerely hope that this is what will happen. I can't wait for Axelrod to chime in.

This is going to be a plus for the President... a huge plus.

[Bruce Wayne]

33. Rope a dope? What, he's in favor of legalizing dope too?

Wow, talk about evolution!

[badtoworse]

12. It's hard to say.

I think it will certainly cost him votes. Whether it costs him enough votes to tip the election the other way is a tough call.

[Fresh_Start]

13. I don't know but its still the right thing to do. nt

nt

[AtomicKitten]

14. It's possible.

Before coming to DU today to read the reactions here, I would have said no way.

However, since reading some people here minimizing and downright mocking his statement today, I just don't know. What was confirmed to me today was the fact that there is literally nothing this president could say or do that wouldn't be pissed on by some here. Ugh.

[Liberal_in_LA]

20. +1000

[Bruce Wayne]

32. - 1. You shouldn't base perceptions of reality on DU comments

Squeaky wheels and all that.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. No. The yahoos who oppose it weren't going to

vote for him in the first place.

[maddezmom]

28. +1000

[BoWanZi]

40. +another 1000

[Warren DeMontague]

16. No.

Otoh, I think his harassment of pot smoking cancer grannies will cost him votes, unless he evolves on that inane stance as well.

[pipoman]

19. Yep..

couldn't have said it better..

[pipoman]

17. No...

it will be interesting to see if his 'support' equals action, or if it is just support...what ever that means..

[Bolo Boffin]

18. It will always be the economy. n/t

[etherealtruth]

30. +1

[AsahinaKimi]

21. I can't wait to hear

the bigoted shit coming from FOX NEWS... and the Right wingers hate him anyway...this will just put new fuel on their fire, however, no mater what they say, they are DEAD wrong.. and he has said the right thing at this time.

The conservative bible thumping Right Wingers will all throw a fit.. but who cares..if they are mad about it, I am glad...cause we all know most of them are asses.

[Rex]

22. Why did you leave off the fact that it might HELP

him get elected again? I hate push polling.

[Chorophyll]

23. No.

I actually think it will help him.

[Sheepshank]

24. I don't think the statement of personal beliefs, in and of itself is a tipping factor

I think if there was a factor, it has already played itself out in removal of DADT and failure to defend DOMA.

[GoCubsGo]

26. It depends.

There are a lot of other issues that will be taken under consideration that people will consider far more important, such as the economy, taxes, student loan itnerest, Afghanistan, and immigration. If things go bad with some of these issues, it could become a tipping point/tie-breaker. I don't know who is this office that is supposedly "way smarter than YOU" , but I'm not convinced they're way smarter than anyone.

[LeftishBrit]

27. My guess is that anyone who wouldn't vote for him for this reason would not vote for him anyway

There are some nutcases here who have been trying to get people to vote against anyone who supports gay marriage (even in the local elections, as if local councillors had any say in the matter!) But, as the leaders of all three of the main parties support gay marriage - one of the very few good things about Cameron - this is not likely to work.

In America, I would guess that most right-wingers are against gay marriage; but right-wingers wouldn't be voting for President Obama in any case.

[Scuba]

29. No. He may lose a few, but will gain many.

[YoungDemCA]

31. If anything, it may be the thing that unites Independents and Democrats against the theocrats...

..of the GOP.

[Bruce Wayne]

34. Too early. The right side of history can be the wrong side of politics.

I'd like to say "no" but this is a risky move, no matter how inevitable marriage equality is in the long run. Elections are not won in the long run. I think it's high time a president did this. It's about ten years sooner than I expected. I'm happy.

But that said, this endorsement of civil equality will put votes at risk in a number of swing states--particularly North Carolina, Ohio, New Mexico, and Colorado. Shit, maybe Michigan too. Like ordering Osama bin Laden killed, this was a big ballsy call on the president's part. It will define his legacy, whether it's a 4-year or 8-year one.

Gonna change my sigline now.

[underpants]

36. No he is playing the Republicans and winning the middle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002666694

[slackmaster]

37. It may cost him a swing state or three, but not the election

[Honeycombe8]

38. It will cost him some votes. But I don't think it will cost him the election. nt

[BoWanZi]

39. No way, its going to solidify the liberal base to get out and vote for him. WTG Barack!

What it won't do is sway voters over but it will make liberals much more apt to get out and vote instead of just staying at home.

[99Forever]

41. Kudos to Obama for taking the only Moral stand.

This raises my opinion of him.

[Ohio Joe]

42. No

Anyone opposed will not vote for him regardless of anything he might do. He can only end up on the right side of history by doing the right thing... Now he need to see that the rights of everyone not hetero are given to them and guarded.