Senator Sherrod Brown Suggests GENDER Played Into Obama-Warren SPAT

[Segami]

Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, one of the top Democratic opponents of President Barack Obama’s trade agenda, criticized Obama on Tuesday for what the senator saw as “disrespectful” comments toward Sen. Elizabeth Warren and indicated that Warren’s gender may have played a role.

“I think by just calling her ‘another politician’,” Brown told reporters Tuesday when asked how Obama was being disrespectful to Warren. “I’m not going to get into more details. I think referring to her as first name, when he might not have done that for a male senator, perhaps? I’ve said enough.”

Earlier Tuesday afternoon, Brown told reporters at a news conference that he took issue with Obama’s comments toward Warren in their deepening spat over trade.

“I think the president was disrespectful to her by the way he did that,” Brown told reporters during the news conference, which came after nearly all Senate Democrats voted to block trade measures from proceeding on the Senate floor. “I think that the president has made this more personal than he needed to.”

Brown continued: “I know he disagrees. When he said that a number of us — not just Sen. Warren — but don’t know what we’re talking about, we’re fighting the last war, a number of those phrases he used, I assume he wished he hadn’t said them because he shouldn’t have said them.”

cont'

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/sherrod-brown-barack-obama-gender-role-elizabeth-warren-spat-117866.html?hp=rc1_4

[randys1]

1. Obama is a man. All men are capable of being misogynist, all.

Not an excuse, either.

Does he call male senators by their first name?

If not, then he is being a sexist here.

Like I said, he is a man. All men capable of this...

I think the whole issue has become WAY too personal and out of hand.

But, if Obama is not going to relent, then thank goodness for Elizabeth and Bernie and Sherrod and so on.

Obama has performed like Superman sometimes, that is how good he is. But he is not perfect.

[JaneyVee]

38. lolwut? He calls Bernie by his first name, Hillary by her first name, Boehner by his first name,

Etc etc etc.

[roguevalley]

90. He was discussing a serious issue and it wasn't a

casual conversation. He dissed her gender by using her first name instead of according her respect. She is a senator. She deserved in the context of this conversation a formal name by him. Unless you have been diminished by men this way, patronizingly calling you 'girl' in this manner, you might miss the nuances. I didn't. It was an intentional diminishment. Been there, had that done myself.

If you don't get it, then you won't. Its like explaining racism to a racist. Its real.

[Cha]

45. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Sherrod Brown is just making up shit.

[RobertEarl]

2. Like Obama told the 1%

He is standing between them and the pitchforks.

Too bad Obama is of the 1%. We need Bernie!

[MADem]

3. He's calling the guy who signed the Lily Ledbetter Act a sexist?

I think Brown has put a foot wrong with that accusation.

[dsc]

11. the man who desegregated the military was a racist

[MADem]

51. Well, this POTUS lifted the combat exclusion rule for women.

http://www.defense.gov/Releases/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=15784

I'm afraid I don't buy Senator Brown's attempt to smear Obama in this fashion, any more than I buy yours--I think he may have gotten that talking point at home. He should have left it there--it makes him look like a bit of an ass, frankly.

Disagree over policy; don't try to smear someone in your own party with cheap shot, sleazy--and that is what that was-- insinuations like that. It's just not on.

[dsc]

74. I don't necessarily agree with brown

But your reasoning is faulty. One can be sexist and still advance the cause of women

[MADem]

78. And one can purport to speak out on behalf of a weak little woman and be sexist, themselves...

even as they don't realize how their self-serving protestations are coming across.

Brown is trying to enhance HIS reputation by "defending" Warren's. It's a craven device, and he should just step back and let the woman with the loud, clear and very effective voice in the Senate do the piping up--IF she has a mind to do that....and I don't think she does.

If she has differences with Obama, they are in regard to policy, not how he addresses her. They've known each other--well--for a long time, now.

But Brown? He has no national profile. What better way to try to acquire one than by "defending" the Progressive Darling of the Hour, and slaying the dragon bedeviling her?



Sexism--it's on the menu where you'd least expect it!

[dsc]

94. A couple of things

I won't really get into if Obama's attack on Warren is sexist or not because what it demonstrably is, is bad enough. It demonstrably is overly personal, nasty, and something he never did to a Republican even when they were blocking his entire agenda. As to your take on Brown. Brown has been a solid, liberal fighter since the 1970's when Warren was in the GOP for self described economic reasons. In 2012, Brown's race had the most outside funding for his opponent, who was a state office holder, and who Brown beat like a drum. I am mystified why he has less of a national profile than he deserves. I guess when all you do is work your ass off for liberal causes for 4 decades, win every election you have been in save one, and suck up tons of opposition money in a vain attempt to defeat you that isn't important enough for anyone to care.

[MADem]

98. I asked five regular Democratic voters today if they

knew who Sherrod Brown was. They thought I had "Scott's" name wrong. No one knows who this guy is. No one could pick him out of a line-up. I'm not talking about highly interested and highly motivated voters, who, as we know, make up less than ten percent of the voting population, I'm not even talking about fairly well-informed voters, either. I'm talking about "likely" voters, the ones who can be relied upon to get their asses to the polls for every POTUS and Senate race, if not rep/local races.

There are people in MA who don't know who Bernie Sanders is, either. I know this might seem shocking but his profile in the state isn't all that large. Here's the truth about politics, from a big guy from Cambridge named O'Neill: All politics IS local. Even with the world wide web.

As for why Obama is pissed at Warren, you're going to have to ask them. Perhaps she suggested she'd take one tack to him, and then took another, or maybe she blindsided him. It's politics. Elbows are thrown. She hasn't been particularly nice to him, either. I happen to like them both, and I figure they're Big Kids and they'll sort it out. I don't feel like I have to hop on my white horse and ride to the Little Lady's defense. She could probably clock me cold in a fair fight, anyway.

[F4lconF16]

34. One has little to do with another.

Obama is still a privileged man with everything that comes with that. Societal norms affect us all to some extent. You can be a feminist man and still on occasion say, do, or support sexism. So can women, for that matter. The key is recognizing when we do so and addressing it.

[MADem]

52. That is just an absurd comment.

Privileged? He was RAISED by two women. His mother took public assistance for a time--I guess welfare cheese is a privilege nowadays? He was an essentially fatherless, biracial kid and one of the few with African heritage at his school (where he attended on a scholarship). He lived in an APARTMENT. He worked at Baskin Robbins after school. He was always singled out as being different/OTHER, neither this nor that. He was an object of curiosity and sometimes scorn. He wasn't "privileged." Where do people even get this shit?

I think these kinds of accusations are frankly, LOW. Making that kind of charge, or cheerleading it, isn't something anyone should be proud about doing. Brown needs to check himself--he fucked up with that remark. It reflects on him--and poorly.

[F4lconF16]

63. Did I say I agreed with the OP?

I personally don't think it's my place to decide, nor is it Senator Brown's.

And yes, privileged. All men are privileged by their status in a patriarchal society. None of this:

He was RAISED by two women. His mother took public assistance for a time--I guess welfare cheese is a privilege nowadays? He was an essentially fatherless, biracial kid and one of the few with African heritage at his school (where he attended on a scholarship). He lived in an APARTMENT. He worked at Baskin Robbins after school. He was always singled out as being different/OTHER, neither this nor that. He was an object of curiosity and sometimes scorn.

has anything to do with his being a man, and all the assorted advantages that come with that.

[MADem]

65. You didn't say you didn't agree with it.

I'm sure Trayvon Martin was grooving on his male privilege right up until George Zimmerman deprived him of it.

SMH.

[F4lconF16]

66. Yes, I did not say I didn't agree with it.

I don't like typing extra on my phone when I'm eating. Excuse my thoughtless actions.

Care to explain what you mean by that? I'd like to understand the implications of what you're trying to say, because I'm afraid I don't understand.

[sheshe2]

69. I posted this....

When I entered Ms. Hefty’s fifth-grade class at Punahou School in the fall of 1971, I was just a kid with a funny name in a new school, feeling a little out of place, hoping to fit in like anyone else.

The first time she called on me, I wished she hadn’t. In fact, I wished I were just about anywhere else but at that desk, in that room of children staring at me.

But over the course of that year, Ms. Hefty taught me that I had something to say — not in spite of my differences, but because of them. She made every single student in that class feel special.

And she reinforced that essential value of empathy that my mother and my grandparents had taught me. That is something that I carry with me every day as President.

https://medium.com/bright/my-fifth-grade-teacher-fedc4a20191d?awesm=ofa.bo_q52T

He is my President.

Love that posters 'Privileged' remark. Yep black men are soooooo privileged. We see it everyday when the police are murdering them in cold blood at an alarming rate. They are privileged to be single out for being , well, black.

I agree MADem, Brown just stepped in it.

[MADem]

73. Yeah, they're so privileged they get the privilege of double the unemployment rate of their white

pals! What lucky ducks!

Some people just don't get it. They never will.

[sheshe2]

77. Lest we forget

The incarceration rates.

Oh, and the disrespect shown to our President. He was privileged to disrespected at SOTU

Joe Wilson. "YOU LIE"

[Cha]

46. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

[MADem]

56. I guess when ya got no substance, ya gotta start flinging it.

It's shameful. And speaking of "it," Brown stepped in "it" with that remark. Just a shitty, divisive thing to say. The Weekly Standard will have a field day with this "liberal catfight" I'm sure....

Bet Michelle Howard doesn't think he's sexist.

[giftedgirl77]

4. Jesus Fuckin Christ this is just getting stupid.

[Cha]

47. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Ya think?!

[giftedgirl77]

92. Hey Cha...

I can't believe they are actually acting like this & people are jumping on this bandwagon. But I guess anything to get a bash in on the Pres these days.

[Cha]

100. Oh yeah, the sharks think they smell blood in the water and are so obviously despicably

piling on. Have fun sniffing snarks.

[Raine1967]

5. It's awful nice for Senator Brown to speak on behalf of Senator Warren.

Anyone else see the irony here?

[Mnpaul]

36. Not really

Warren is often very diplomatic. She will argue facts but not personalities. Brown is more of an attack dog. He will speak out if he has a problem with it.

[Raine1967]

37. Perhaps you missed my point.

I am more than sure she would be diplomatic enough to say if it was sexist.

[Mnpaul]

42. You are sure?

Based on what?

Warren, at the same event, took a shot at those Democrats who have “floated along with the idea that economic growth is in direct opposition to strengthening the wellbeing of America’s working families… That claim is flatly wrong.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/populist-democrats-hand-obama-a-stinging-defeat-on-tpp/2015/05/12/aec9be02-f8e7-11e4-a13c-193b1241d51a_story.html?wprss=rss_blogsandcolumns

as usual, she attacks the statement and not those making it.

[Raine1967]

43. Yes, I am pretty sure.

A woman does't need a man to decide what is sexist or not.


That was my point. I like Brown, but tossing this part into the discussion was really, really stupid.

[Mnpaul]

58. and still nothing to back this claim

of course Warren doesn't need someone to do it for her. That doesn't mean that she would. She more than likely would concentrate on rebutting the subject at hand. All you have to do is look at her past comments.

[Raine1967]

64. I still think you are missing my point.

There are others that have not. This is not about the comments that Warren has made.

I don't need anything to back my statement up. My statement was clear as a crystal. I still believe you are missing my point.

let me ask you this:

Do you really think Senator Warren needs Senator Brown to defend her against his perception of possible sexism?

You see, that is the issue I have.

[one_voice]

55. +1

[KMOD]

62. I caught the irony, too.

It's so ingrained in our society thought, that I doubt that many would catch it.

[F4lconF16]

67. +1 nt

[MADem]

68. Mmmm. Very "chivalrous" of him.

If anyone can defend herself, I'd say Senator Warren can manage just find without any "help" from pot-stirrers.

[BeyondGeography]

6. What's the issue again?

Economic justice or tender feewings?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Feelings

[octoberlib]

7. I support Sen. Warren's stance on the TPP but I don't think there's anything to this.

He's referred to male politicians by their first names. He called Cameron "David" in an interview. This is getting stupid.

[Chemisse]

8. It demeans women and their place in politics to have accusations of sexism tossed out there,

With virtually no evidence to support it.

How does this senator know that Obama would not do and say exactly the same things to a man who was an active foe on an issue he is trying to push through?

Do men have to be extra gentle to women politicians so as not to be accused of being sexist? If so, it is a step backward for women who want to be taken seriously as candidates.

[Segami]

13. I want to try something to see how it sounds....

Ive' taken a quote from a Elizabeth Warren interview with The Plum Line. I replaced the word 'The President' with 'Barack'.

SENATOR WARREN: Barack said in his Nike speech that he’s confident that when people read the agreement for themselves, that they’ll see it’s a great deal. But Barack won’t actually let people read the agreement for themselves. It’s classified.

SENATOR WARREN: Barack has committed only to letting the public see this deal after Congress votes to authorize fast track. At that point it will be impossible for us to amend the agreement or to block any part of it without tanking the whole TPP. The TPP is basically done. If Barack is so confident it’s a good deal, he should declassify the text and let people see it before asking Congress to tie its hands on fixing it.

[Chemisse]

14. Clearly the use of her first name in a political dialogue is demeaning.

What is not clear is if it is the result of sexism. Does he do that with other Democratic senators, who are men, and who are nipping at his heels?

[MannyGoldstein]

15. !!!

[JaneyVee]

39. "PresObama at SOTU:

"I love Bernie!"

Clearly sexism at play.

[Snow Leopard]

19. bingo! nt.

[Thrill]

9. WOW Really? Jeesh

If Democrats were this tough in Elections against Reppublicans maybe they wouldn't be dropping races to some of these wackos.

They've always fought each other harder than they do the Republicans.

[Cha]

48. Good point.. they don't even need to make up shit about republicons.

[OilemFirchen]

10. I'm embarassed for my fine Senator.

Now then... suddenly mononyms are an issue here?

[Cha]

49. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Really!

[OKNancy]

12. I like Brown... but he is so off base with this

ridiculous speculation

[Cha]

50. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

[CharlotteVale]

16. I love Sherrod Brown.

[AtomicKitten]

17. I don't think it's because of gender. I think it's because Elizabeth's criticism BURNS!

The truth usually does!

[BrotherIvan]

18. That's how you marginalize someone

[AtomicKitten]

25. It's not working. He's just pissing me off by going after Elizabeth hammer and tongs.

[BrotherIvan]

27. The one thing I have noticed, the only time Obama fights back is when he is personally challenged

He won't fight for any kind of policy or agenda, but he will hit back if it's about him. I think that's what this is about.

[nashville_brook]

29. it could be said that the only fights he makes personal are on behalf of business

he says in the interview with matt bay that he'll circle back to worker protections. that's a separate issue. he's got legislation he's been trying to push on that for years (yeah right).

and, this is rich -- he says he'll "stand next to unions" on the right to organize. the last time he invoked putting his body near unions it "putting on his comfortable shoes" as if to march. we saw how that went. now he's even dialing back his imaginary support. "eh, i'll stand there."

[BrotherIvan]

31. Fool me once...can't fool me again

[JaneyVee]

40. He's not running again.

[BrotherIvan]

41. That's what they call in some parts a non sequitor

[MADem]

99. No, that's the opposite of a non-sequitUr....it's right on point.

He's not running again, and he doesn't have to adjust his commentary to suit potential allies who would help him gain a third term. He can now afford to be blunt.

[Segami]

30. +1

TPP is his last hurrah and the junior senator from Massachusetts was standing in his way so he decided to lean on her as president and make an example of her by publicly flogging her with his marginalization and criticism. She is a fellow Democrat and respected leader in her own right deserving of a much more cordial exchange.

[MADem]

70. By leaping up to defend "the little woman," as if she can't defend herself?

That most certainly is marginalizing someone. I'll bet more people know who Elizabeth Warren is than know who Sherrod Brown is. But his "chivalry" will get him a few shreds of attention...for all the wrong reasons. I think if Warren had a view about this matter, she'd have no trouble piping up.

I think the one being marginalized is the one who is placing Warren in a position where she either has to say "I let 'Sherrod' fight my battles for me because I'm just a girl, and he's the big strong guy who has to deliver this particular message for me" ( ) or "I've known the POTUS for awhile now, and he calls me Elizabeth the same way he calls Biden 'Joe'--it ain't what you think it is."

See, he's doing it to himself--it just takes awhile to stand back and see what's what, here.

[BrotherIvan]

86. Well, I guess "Elizabeth" didn't want to play

[MADem]

88. I don't think she had a problem with the way she was addressed.

I'm guessing if she did, she wouldn't be coy about mentioning it. I also don't think she needs anyone to fight her battles for her, least of all someone who is looking for a higher profile.

She and POTUS certainly have some policy differences, but they've also got a lot of points of agreement as well.

[winter is coming]

20. That... doesn't really sound like something Brown would say.

[hifiguy]

22. I think you are on the wrong track, Senator Brown

and I am usually a solid supporter of yours. This was plain old plutocratic condescension.

[MADem]

76. Most people have no idea who the hell he is--you say Brown, and they think the nitwit Warren beat in

the Senate race. Only here in this obscure corner that is DU, and in his home state, does "Sherrod" have any name recognition. Unlike Warren, he has no NATIONAL profile.

He does have higher aspirations, though. And what he is doing, by playing this "Here I Come To Save The Day" Mighty Mouse routine, is USING WARREN as a stepping stone to increase HIS profile.

Who's Sherrod Brown? Why, he's the one who LEAPT to weak little Elizabeth Warren's defense and "stood up to " Obama on her behalf. Oh, yeah...THAT guy.

Yeah. Whatever. I smell something a bit self-serving in all this. He aquits himself poorly. He's trying to acquire a bit of Warren's patina for himself.

Warren ain't shy. If she thinks she's being treated in sexist fashion, she doesn't need some guy who is no where near as well known as she is to bellow it out FOR her. If anyone can take care of herself, she can.

Since she's known Obama well for some time, and probably knows him way better than Sherrod Brown does, I should think if she has a problem with him, she can let him know all by herself. In fact, I'll bet she's got a phone number that will reach him....and I'll bet Brown doesn't.

[Duppers]

23. ehhhh.

[KittyWampus]

24. who plucked Warren from relative academic obscurity by nominating her for the new Consumer Bureau?

[Liberalynn]

82. So she owes him allegiance for life?

Even when she thinks he is trying to get a trade agreement that not just she but others who have actually read it feel could hurt the best interests of this country, passed with little or no input from the Senate, despite their constitutional right to advise and consent?

Plus he may have nominated her, but his colleague, Larry Summers torpedoed that nomination!

[hrmjustin]

26. Ridiculous!

[nashville_brook]

28. using her first name in the condescending tone, as if she's a child, was really beneath him.

[Liberalynn]

32. Glad Senator Brown voiced this!

I felt the same way! When I saw and heard the comments I thought he should be calling her Senator Warren and his tone was very dismissive. The Senator is doing what the smart people of Massachusetts elected her to do. She has a right to ask questions and do everything in her power to ensure their best interests are being served.

The job of a Senator is not to blindly trust any President even one from their own party.

All she asked was that the public be allowed to read it before Fast Track approval was granted. Didn't warrant the public scolding the President gave her!

[sheshe2]

75. Well first of all she most certainly does not need a man to speak for her,

she is not a damsel in distress. That Brown presumes to speak for is in fact misogynist.

The Senator is doing what the smart people of Massachusetts elected her to do.

Well, I for one, as a supporter that voted for, I have to say she does not speak for me here...see below.

It’s the idea that Pres. Obama would cavalierly undo one of his signature achievements—setting up rules so that 2008 didn’t happen again, rules which he plucked an obscure academic named Elizabeth Warren to help implement—to coddle the same Wall Street is ludicrous on its face.

Of course, it’s not ludicrous if one thinks that “Obama was always going to betray us.” The sense of perpetual disappointment—both on the Left and the Right—drives much of the country’s political culture. This is due, in large part, because of the apparent lack of legitimacy of many government institutions, stoked by a right-wing drive to paint all government as useless, and a concomitant view on the left that the government is a subsidiary of corporate America.

But people who should know better are now feeding the fires of disillusion.

Sen. Warren’s main gripe is that “the public isn’t seeing the bill”. Oddly, as this interview with Greg Sargent illustrates, she keeps moving the goal posts. She, of course, can see the negotiating text in full. It then becomes: “Fast track won’t allow Congress to make changes to the deal”. The problem is that fast track can be revoked if the deal doesn’t meet its stated aims in Congress’ opinion. Then she goes through some more of Pres. Obama’s “hypotheticals”—all hypotheticals that require GOP control of the White House and Congress after 2016. Which would be a good reason to focus energy on winning 2016, rather than shivving the party’s sitting President in the back.


Please Read the Rest http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/11/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-mau-mauing-barack-obama/#more-202424


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026657951

[Liberalynn]

79. First of all

Senator Brown was not speaking for anyone but himself. He was giving his own view of events that transpired which by the way he has a right to do! I am sure Senator Brown and most people by now fully understand Senator Warren is more than capable of defending herself. I don't think he meant it so much as a defense of his colleague but more as an expression of disappointment in the way the President chose to handle the situation.


On the Trade Agreement itself, unlike you or I, Senator Warren, Senator Brown, Senator Sanders, Senator Schumer, Senator Ried, etc have all read it and apparently despite the President's assurances still feel there is significant enough reason to take this rather unusual step of breaking step with him. The forefathers put in Constitutional checks and balances for a reason. Treaties are meant to be advised and consented on by the Senate! So I again repeat Senator Warren and the others are doing their job!

[sheshe2]

80. Good to know that you have read the final agreement.

Oh wait, you haven't. You read things that were leaked. I am sure the Senators have a more up to date version. Are you a Senator as well?

[Liberalynn]

85. If you will kindly read what I wrote

I stated "UNLIKE YOU OR I" which means at least where I went to school that I am acknowledging that I hadn't read it but the Senators had! So no I am not claiming to be anything more than a member of "We the People!"

And the very fact that "We the People" haven't been allowed to read it, is one of the main objections Senator Warren has. She wants us to know what is actually in the document and not just expecting us to take her word on anything. That's how a representational government is supposed to work.

But if misrepresenting and mocking my opinion, which I am entitled to as a citizen by the way, makes you feel better, feel free! I'm done reading and am going to bed.

[Cha]

89. "..transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many

times."

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
27 27 Retweets

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Senator Brown is wrong on this.

[Liberalynn]

93. That makes me feel a little better about it then!

I get equally mad by the way when people don't use the President's title either, especially in the news media. I always think it's disrespectful not too use titles in professional situations but maybe that's the Catholic school training in me coming out.

It doesn't change my mind though about the Fast Tracking issues, I still think Senator Warren and the others have not only the right but the duty to speak out about their Fast Track issues and to vote as they did because of it. As I pointed out in earlier post they have been allowed to read it, if not the final agreement what must constitute a good portion of it and they have problems with it.

I'd rather they address those and work with the administration to fix them now, if they can before it gets it's way paved to easy passage.

I don't believe the Senate Democrats meant it as a personal slight to the President, but are just doing their due diligence over what they consider to be a flawed document.

[Cha]

101. I hear ya, LL.. I don't think they made it as a "snub" against the Prez, either.. in fact..

Comment on TOD.. This person's perspective..

EricFive

May 13, 2015 at 11:20 am

"This procedural vote for the trade deal that was voted down yesterday is a primer class in how the GOP’s propaganda arm, otherwise known as the MSM (left, right and center) operates to propogate an anti-PBO narrative. They know damn well that the Dems voted en mass to defeat the measure because two provisions involving African-trade and currency manipulation were excluded by Mitch McConnell. They know that these measures have nothing to do with the Warrenites complaints, and they know that once these two issues are resolved there is enough Dem support to pass the fast track authority bill. They know that the Warrenites do not have the numbers to stop the trade deal. But instead of just relaying these rather simple FACTS, the MSM decided to purposefully confuse the public by calling this a “stinging rebuke” of PBO and furthered a “Dems in disarray” narrative that is the MSM’s specialty. It was handy that the feud between Elizabeth and PBO had been in the press during the preceding weeks, so this vote could be twisted into some kind of victory for her. This is how propaganda works. It is telling that every MSM outlet parrotted the same deceitful spin, as if reading from the same GOP approved script."

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/13/early-bird-rise-and-shine-47/

I googled it yesterday and all I got from so many M$M sites.. was how the President was being "snubbed" and every other verb they could use to put the President in a very bad light.

[geek tragedy]

33. Brown is way out of line, and in left field,

on this one.

I am more sympathetic to his take on the TPP, but he wrong for this.

[JaneyVee]

35. Nuts!

[Cha]

44. I call bullshite on Brown.. that should be beneath him but sadly it is not. Of course those that

have their pitchforks out for the President will jump into this .. "now Obama is a sexist" mob because he said so.

Ask AG Loretta Lynch if the President is sexist. Ask SCJ Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, too.

Ben White
✔ ?@morningmoneyben
Contra @SenSherrodBrown, transcripts show Obama has referred to male senators by their first names (including Brown) many times.

12:33 PM - 12 May 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United States
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/05/12/the-presidents-day-51/

Sherrod Brown is just making up shit.

[ucrdem]

59. Seriously.

Dunno what else I can say without an instant hide

[libdem4life]

53. You don't have to be a misogynist to speak down to the little lady...or to call her by her first

name. He's really pissed at her for trying to block his TTP...he leaned heavily toward the paternal "She's wrong." which sounded personal...because he seems to be taking it personally.

That's what different, IMO. He's always fairly aloof and above it all...and that's usually part of his power and sometime criticism. On this, he's clearly down in the trenches and she's not giving in and has gotten under his skin. It sounds a bit sexist in tone, but that's a cultural thing.

We'll see how he handles Bernie...haven't heard much about that, and Bernie's farther left than Elizabeth, in some ways.

[MFrohike]

54. Interesting

Ron Suskind reported a problem along these lines in Confidence Men a few years ago.

[ucrdem]

57. Groan. Brown is claiming the President disrespected Warren?

Because he said she was wrong?

[WestSideStory]

60. They used to accuse black men of being disrespectful to women before lynching them

Just saying.

[ucrdem]

61. Bingo.

Welcome !

[brentspeak]

72. So we can for the record

That ucrdem agrees that Sen. Brown should be compared to a KKK member.

Got it for the record.

[TheSarcastinator]

96. absolutely disconnected from reality

on every level. What utter horsecrap.

[brentspeak]

71. Actually, they accused them of raping/murdering them before lynching them

But try your bull$hit over at freerepublic.

[one_voice]

81. So now that I've read this thread..

and seen all the clapping hands and nodding of head for Mr. Brown; I have to wonder where these people were when the president referred to HRC as Hillary? What? No sexism there? That was ok? She's not worthy of being called by her title?

No? hmmmm....

This allegation is bullshit, complete and utter bullshit.

[MADem]

83. +1.

[brentspeak]

97. Actually, Obama saying "Hillary" supports Brown's contention

Even if it isn't true that Obama's intention is sexist (and I'm not saying it is), this is at least the second time Obama has done this (i.e. publicly referring to a prominent female member of his own party by their first name). There's a pattern there of Obama's own doing.

At the very least, by calling them "dishonest", Obama has talked down to Warren and other Democratic TPP critics as though they were children and not members of Congress.

[blue neen]

84. Oh, brother.

[Jamaal510]

87. I like Brown and Warren, but this is silly.

Not only is it dishonest, but this is child's play on their part. Pres. O's agenda has been very woman-friendly throughout his presidency, and EW isn't the only person who Pres. O refers to by her first name, anyway. It's one thing to disagree with him on the subject at hand and argue on the merits, but THIS? This is the type of mud-slinging I got used to seeing from RWers, but apparently is not unique to their side. How would they like it if they got accused of being racist for disagreeing with O? Probably not one bit.
At this point, all it looks like is them just shouting shit and slinging red meat, and it's frustrating to watch as a political junkie.

[BluegrassDem]

91. The white man defends the white woman from the disrespectful black man

that's the only reason I see.

[TheSarcastinator]

95. yes, Sen. Sherrod Brown is OBVIOUSLY a racist

Jeesus H. Keerist, what nonsense.