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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:01 PM May 2015

That was quick: Senate reaches deal on trade vote after Democratic revolt against Obama

One might also say, done with unusual and unseemly haste. Not unexpected though.

U.S. senators reached a deal on Wednesday to move forward this week with legislation key to the proposed 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact, a day after a Democratic rebellion dealt a blow to the White House's trade agenda.

A compromise between Republicans and Democrats would set up a vote on "fast-track" trade authority with a worker assistance provision, while two other trade bills, a customs bill including rules against currency manipulation and one extending African trade benefits, would be considered separately.

A procedural vote was set for Thursday on the fast-track authority, enabling a full debate next week on the legislation, which would be twinned with the worker assistance program.

"The plan ... will provide our Democratic colleagues with a way forward without killing the bill," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the Senate floor, following 24 hours of furious negotiations over how to break the impasse.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-usa-trade-congress-idUSKBN0NY1TM20150513

By not including the the two other trade bills, they've pretty much assured passage of the TPA. Now the battle moves to the House where opposition is much tougher. Still, it's worth giving your Senators a call before the vote.

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That was quick: Senate reaches deal on trade vote after Democratic revolt against Obama (Original Post) cali May 2015 OP
calling right fucking now! marym625 May 2015 #1
Are the costs of pig lipstick included in the bill? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #2
And don't they have 90 days to review before the final vote? randome May 2015 #3
I think "fast track" means NO review. n/t dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #5
I think they get to review it... TDale313 May 2015 #7
And if someone thinks strongly about one important detail, he/she should vote 'No'. randome May 2015 #11
And no getting to cut out horrible sections. It's all or nothing. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #21
The TPA includes requirements that allows Congress to rescind fast-track if not met. Hoyt May 2015 #26
Another fucking cave in. GoneFishin May 2015 #4
A little too quick. former9thward May 2015 #6
Yeah theater is how I see it but Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #9
Ah yes. Your classic potemkin kabuki ploy. hedda_foil May 2015 #43
And people wonder why there is so much cynicism about our Government n/t n2doc May 2015 #8
all i care about now Robbins May 2015 #10
That sure was illuminating. Autumn May 2015 #12
but not a shock- except for the swiftness of it. cali May 2015 #16
After what Harry said after the vote yesterday I figured it would be fast. Autumn May 2015 #17
that it was. I want to hear what Sanders and Warren have to say cali May 2015 #20
LOL! Segami May 2015 #25
The Kabuki Theater isn't even interesting anymore. bvar22 May 2015 #13
From this thread it looks like some are still buying the sillyness that Democrats actually rhett o rick May 2015 #23
The end-zone dancing over the last 24 hours was very premature. tritsofme May 2015 #14
The separate currency manipulation bill probably won't pass. octoberlib May 2015 #15
no, it won't. I doubt the other will either. cali May 2015 #18
Aw fuck. progressoid May 2015 #19
Revolt against Obama? LOL. JaneyVee May 2015 #22
This whole thing is both predictable and humorous. The "stinging rebuke" to Obama that lasted a Number23 May 2015 #31
If Democrats won't look after JEB May 2015 #24
If the worst manifests itself to be true, then we will see a worker revolt in the future. Rex May 2015 #28
W told us one truth, "money trumps peace". JEB May 2015 #29
SO then it wasn't really a revolt as much as a PR stunt? Rex May 2015 #27
Sherrod Brow who made such passionate arguments, had no problem with the still_one May 2015 #32
Yeah but like you already said, it very much LOOKS like a done deal. Rex May 2015 #33
unfortunately yes I think still_one May 2015 #42
Fast track authority requires a simple majority as I understand it. If that is still_one May 2015 #30
What a predictable, manipulative con game by corporate Democrats. woo me with science May 2015 #34
so, dems return to the craven political cowards they've really been last 25 years KG May 2015 #35
Why the fuck do we even vote anymore? We have had a doc03 May 2015 #36
Shut up and eat your peas Autumn May 2015 #38
We have all of these problems and it will doc03 May 2015 #39
Let's go! Let's really go…. spelunkers! MrMickeysMom May 2015 #37
Thanks for the suggestion--I actually took it up... First Speaker May 2015 #40
Suprised it happened so quick... Thought it would be at least next monday before boston bean May 2015 #41
That celebrating was pretty comical. joshcryer May 2015 #44
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. And don't they have 90 days to review before the final vote?
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

Seems like we'll know all the contents in that time.
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TDale313

(7,820 posts)
7. I think they get to review it...
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:23 PM
May 2015

But no amendments or changes- just an up or down vote. So the only say the get is take it or leave it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. And if someone thinks strongly about one important detail, he/she should vote 'No'.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
May 2015

It's understandable that people see 'fast' in the term 'fast-track' and immediately think 'speed'. But the only 'speedy' nature of it is, like you said, no pesky amendments, abortion riders, protest proposals regarding gay rights, etc.
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. The TPA includes requirements that allows Congress to rescind fast-track if not met.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:05 PM
May 2015

It's really not an up or down vote, any longer.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
10. all i care about now
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
May 2015

Is which dems ins enate vote against it.they are the real dems In senate.The rest have sold out unions and working people and democracy to corporations.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. that it was. I want to hear what Sanders and Warren have to say
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:10 PM
May 2015

and sadly, I don't trust Leahy to vote no this time around. I'll have to call his office again and find out.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. The Kabuki Theater isn't even interesting anymore.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

It is so predictable that it has become expected, like a bad TV Soap Opera.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. From this thread it looks like some are still buying the sillyness that Democrats actually
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

spoke up to the President, stood up for the people. It was Kabuki Theater. The Oligarchs are laughing in their martinis tonight.

tritsofme

(17,399 posts)
14. The end-zone dancing over the last 24 hours was very premature.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:50 PM
May 2015

As you say, the real battle will be fought in the House.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. no, it won't. I doubt the other will either.
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:03 PM
May 2015

yippy. they'll get to keep their child labor loophole.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
31. This whole thing is both predictable and humorous. The "stinging rebuke" to Obama that lasted a
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:14 PM
May 2015

whopping 24 hours (was it even that long?) and now it's business as usual.

I can't make any sense out of this but one thing I know is that I am beyond tired of wishing that the screaming over this would stop and cooler and smarter heads would prevail.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
24. If Democrats won't look after
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:57 PM
May 2015

the interests of American workers, who will? I guess fucking nobody. At least nobody with a scrap of power.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. If the worst manifests itself to be true, then we will see a worker revolt in the future.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:07 PM
May 2015

If nobody cares, then we are mandated to head down that very familiar road of history. IMO.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
29. W told us one truth, "money trumps peace".
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

He forgot to mention it also trumps anything else in its way. Workers are being steam rolled.

still_one

(92,403 posts)
32. Sherrod Brow who made such passionate arguments, had no problem with the
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:16 PM
May 2015

compromise. I have no doubt that Sanders and Warren have a major problem with the fast track vote. In fact there is no way anyone should be for fast tracking

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Yeah but like you already said, it very much LOOKS like a done deal.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:19 PM
May 2015

All that is left, is for it to land on the POTUS's desk. Congress just gave it to him in a majority vote for the TPP. No questions asked and if so are not allowed to be asked in public.

still_one

(92,403 posts)
30. Fast track authority requires a simple majority as I understand it. If that is
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

the case the TPP is a done deal

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
34. What a predictable, manipulative con game by corporate Democrats.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:19 PM
May 2015

How familiar this slimy, dishonest MO is by now.

Note our corrupt corporate Dems took the time to *pretend* they opposed it first. To get the headlines saying that Democrats were standing up against this sack of predatory shit.

*Then* they reversed course, after the public accolades were heard by Americans.


Just like Obama's lying, highly publicized speech pretending that he would rein in military involvement...followed immediately by two new wars in Syria and Iraq, funding carpet-bombing of captive populations in Gaza, and a trillion-dollar escalation in nuclear weapons.

We are ruled by manipulative propagandists and craven corporate criminals who do not hesitate to lie to our faces, pretending to stand for one agenda while pursuing the opposite.

They constantly manipulate what Americans will see and remember, while selling us out to predators.


What a cesspool of deliberate corruption our government has become.

KG

(28,752 posts)
35. so, dems return to the craven political cowards they've really been last 25 years
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:20 PM
May 2015

their wall street masters must 've really dropped the hammer...

doc03

(35,378 posts)
36. Why the fuck do we even vote anymore? We have had a
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:23 PM
May 2015

Democrat in the Whitehouse for 6 years and nothing, zero has been done to correct the SS or Medicare mess. Multi employer
pension plans can now cut our benefits. The funding requirements on Defined Benefit Plans were changed. I just got a notice last week
that under the old rules my plan would be funded at 67.33% and the company would have to make a $31,381,280 contribution. But now under the new rules it is funded at 82.94% and the company gets by with $18,,497,787. The pension liabilities never went down they just changed it so it appears there is more money in it. The PBGC has billions more in liabilities than they can ever pay and absolutely nothing has been done about that. Now we get another job killer trade deal.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
39. We have all of these problems and it will
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:36 PM
May 2015

probably be a Republican making the changes in 2017, heaven help us.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
40. Thanks for the suggestion--I actually took it up...
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:57 PM
May 2015

...gave Senator Blumenthal's office a call about fifteen minutes ago. I have hopes for him on this...he's a damned good man, and the young lady I spoke with told me that the overwhelming percentage of calls and e-mails on this issue were anti-TPP...

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