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L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:51 PM May 2015

A "Pillar" of the Clinton Campaign Won't Get the Job Done

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-wertheimer/a-pillar-of-the-clinton-c_b_7259588.html

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined the Super PAC circus last week when she met with top donors to Priorities USA to help raise huge contributions for the individual-candidate Super PAC supporting her presidential campaign.

In doing so, she joined Jeb Bush and the other presidential candidates who are raising unlimited contributions for the Super PACs they plan to operate as soft money arms of their campaigns.

Individual-candidate Super PACs exist to allow candidates and their donors to circumvent the candidate contribution limits enacted to prevent corruption. They are the most dangerous entities in our political system today.

<snip>If Clinton wants her reform commitment to be taken seriously as a top priority, she will have to do much more to convince citizens that it will actually become a top priority if she is elected. Candidate Clinton needs to spell out the specific campaign finance reforms she will advocate and the specific steps she will take to make reform a "pillar" of a Clinton administration.

Oh dear ...more at link

Nice list of what she will have to do. My guess is she won't ...too busy bombing Iran.
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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. It would not be real smart for Hillary to take
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:56 PM
May 2015

a knife to a gun fight.
If we want to win in 2016 it will take all the cash we can get.
Cash is the main reason Bernie can't win we should not handicap Hillary in the same way.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. Oh yes, buy the gun, carry the gun, love the gun.....
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:00 PM
May 2015

claim you could leave the gun anytime you want.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. So, to win in a fight with the Devil
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
May 2015

you must become the Devil and summon your own demonic legions.

Yeah, that'll turn out well.

brooklynite

(93,355 posts)
13. This is a waste of time, but I'll ask you anyway...
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:20 PM
May 2015

If you want Sanders to forego SuperPAC support AND you want him to win (I assume that's true), you either need to raise $1 B through other means or create a campaign that doesn't cost anything. How does he pull it off?

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
12. You are damn right
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
May 2015

It will be real funny to read these purity posts next year when the right is about to ruin your life for real.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
9. Only if you can't think outside of the box
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:14 PM
May 2015

With a paradigm of mobilization of as many people as you can, and a message that resonates among all, money may be the knife brought to the gun fight.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. "I know she's not perfect to me, but she's all I have." "I'm standing by her."
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

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"I don't want to be alone"

"Maybe she'll change if I prove how much I love her"

"It's not her fault, it's our fault"

"I don't want to live in a world without her"

The preceding comments are indicative of an individual involved in a threatening relationship.


I've seen this sort of dynamic in personal relationships, usually abusive relationships.

The outcome is rarely a good one, and the only reliably successful treatment is cessation of the relationship.

I never had the relationship, so I'm not at risk of abuse.

ancianita

(35,616 posts)
15. This is the first time I've ever done this. I hate what you wrote because we're better than this.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:29 PM
May 2015

I support Bernie all the way through the primaries and beyond, hopefully, but I'd never use this pathologizing of a whole group of political supporters. It's not fair or right.

I'm #2.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=1860527

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. I can't see the contents of your inbox.
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

But that's OK.

I think you're right, we are better than this.

And we're also better than to be hoodwinked by the lies and the schemes of a person with a terrible record of supporting the rights of ordinary working class people.

Like most good democrats, she's pro-choice and on the right side of the easy issues.

But for job security and high pay and good benefits, she is totally with the Walmart owners and their ilk.

I'm sorry to offend her supporters, but my livelihood and my security that the future of this country is at stake.

Those things are more important than having to be sensitive to the feelings of her supporters.

People need to be aware of what they are supporting, what they are doing, and when they support someone who will hurt them over someone who will help them, it's a problem.

When they act out of fear, it's not a good thing.

ancianita

(35,616 posts)
17. I read your posts and links on Hillary elsewhere.The truth hurts.Yet, the public's realization about
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

media's corporatization, journalistic ethics lapses, propaganda and blackouts since before 9/11 have created a period of confusion, hurt and cynicism in the body politic that's had a deeper effect than that of hoodwinking.

In all healthy humanity, goodness is assumed; from the local neighbor to the nation's leaders, it is the default position. Our suffering as a country goes deeper than economics and is not all of our own making. We are coming to feel the weight of the 'sins of the fathers' as much as have other countries' peoples.

I myself am not looking forward to any Democratic administration. About your comment on fear. Fear instructs. This country's large enough that millions can run from it, but we need to trust fear more than protection racket rhetoric of the promise of a better tomorrow for the vote today.

Sorry you couldn't see that the jury voted 4- 3 to LEAVE IT on your post above. (Not sure why my copy/paste isn't working.) My argument to LEAVE IT was: "Fight this logic! Slam the bad parallels! Don't just censor! Help others develop the mental skills to detach their own vulnerability regarding these false analogies. Remember, this is just the beginning of all the unfair strategies that will be used against an controversial Democratic woman candidate. Get the elevator pitches and comebacks ready. Don't just censor!"

(Depressed and drinking over the TPP right now, silly me, so I'm not confident in my post quality right now.)

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. I appreciate your reply and willingness to articulate your position so well.
Wed May 13, 2015, 06:59 PM
May 2015

And for the leave vote.

It's true that we can be better than we are being on this board and in the open public.

Political discourse does not seem to be maturing over the decades and centuries that we've been engaged in it.

It's an interesting thing to watch, the ways in which changing technologies impact messaging strategies, and the way that Madison Avenue marketing techniques become more sophisticated and are employed equally well by campaigns.

I saw a truck on the highway yesterday with this slogan: "Jafra, freedom to be you"

Well this, I thought, is just typical ad crap, they increasingly lie. Not only do they lie, they now call black white, soft is hard, peace is war.

Jafra, like most cosmetic supplies, offer neither freedom nor "you"ness. The industry preys on customer fears that they can't be natural, it's not really ok to be "you" without their product. You can't be "free" until you're a consumer slave to them.

Like the peacekeeper missile, I guess.

I saw a lot of this in Bill Clinton's campaigns (he executed a lobotomy patient to win an election) and in Hillary's campaigns. Free to be you.



Thanks for the friendly exchange.

And to copy and past jury results, you need to select all of the text with your cursor, hit "copy" and then paste into a reply.

ancianita

(35,616 posts)
21. Thanks. On lots of levels.
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
May 2015

Re your tip: I repost all kinds of pics, vids, etc., using "Control C/Control V," but when that weirdly, occasionally stops (glitches happen? ), I just reboot, this time in the middle of written text it just wouldn't let me save.

Hang tough. Love your posts. Keep giving Hillary hell.

boston bean

(36,168 posts)
20. She has no control over what the system is at this time. The SCOTUS
Wed May 13, 2015, 07:09 PM
May 2015

and members of congress are who you should be upset with at this time.

She's got to play by the rules that are there and not hamstring her campaign.

Most thinking people would agree.

She is against citizens united... But she aint stupid... You play with the hands that are dealt if you want a chance to win.

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