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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAustralian Labor Party: We've rejected ISDS with the U.S. in the past. Why accept it now?
Labor has called on the federal government to follow the example of the Howard years and oppose the inclusion of a controversial dispute-settlement provision in trade talks with the US.
Shadow trade minister Penny Wong says accepting Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) provisions in the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement could jeopardise domestic policies in areas ranging from healthcare to the environment.
Trade Minister Andrew Robb should explain why he is willing to accept ISDS provisions in the TPP when the Howard Government would not accept them in the Australia-United States free Trade Agreement, Senator Wong said in a statement today.
ISDS provisions in the TPP could allow multinationals to challenge Australian policies designed to protect public welfare in international arbitration tribunals," Ms Wong said.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/reject-tpp-dispute-settlement-alp/story-e6frg90f-1227356065402
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I don't know what the excuse is for left wing American politicians who support that thing.
Here's some more info on ISDS. The bit about Phillip Morris already suing Australia via a trade agreement with Hong Kong is a hint of what will happen:
Philip Morris is suing Australia under an ISDS provision in a Hong Kong-Australia investment agreement. Its just one of 28 agreements Australia has signed that include an ISDS provision. Deals with countries like China, India, Peru, Chile and Singapore contain the provision.
However, when the Howard government signed a free trade agreement with the United States in 2004, both parties agreed to leave ISDS out of it. Now, as trade negotiators draw closer to signing the Trans Pacific Partnership, Australia could be about to sign up for ISDS with the United States for the first time.
That worries critics like ANU Law Professor Thomas Faunce because America is not just Australias largest source of foreign investment, its also the nation whose corporations are the most frequent users of ISDS.
If we create investor state disputes settlement with established democracies and developed countries with very powerful corporations, thats a new thing. Thats what were concerned about, he says.
For his part, the head of trade and international policy at the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Bryan Clark, cant understand what all the fuss is about.
The Australian Government has had ISDS provisions, or very similar ones, in free trade agreements and bilateral investment treaties since the 1950s, he says. They have been in place for a very long time, and they havent created any risk to the Australian economy. I fundamentally dont see why that circumstance would change now.
Faunce insists this is different, however, and people only need to look to Canada to see what an ISDS agreement with the United States could mean for Australia. If you think that all this discussion of ISDS is scare-mongering, just have a look at whats happened to Canada under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with the United States. Its all there ready and waiting to happen to us.
When NAFTA was signed in the 90s, the United States and Canada wanted to include an ISDS provision in the agreement to protect their investors in Mexico, where they considered the justice system suspect. What they didnt anticipate was that the ISDS provision would be used against them.
There have been dozens of ISDS claims launched under NAFTA, many of them against the United States and Canada. The United States has never lost a case, but Canada has been sued nearly 20 times and has lost or settled seven times, paying American corporations at least $US158 million in compensation.
One of the earliest cases, launched in the late 1990s, was about a fuel additive called MMT, which the Canadian government decided to ban after it concluded that it could be a threat to human health and the environment. After being sued by Ethyl, the American corporation that manufactured MMT, the Canadian government settled the case for $US13 million. To settle, it had to agree to overturn the ban and, to add insult to injury, publish a statement declaring MMT to be safe.
There are eight cases pending against Canada, with damages claims totalling almost $6 billion. One of those cases has particular resonance for Australia. Its a claim made by an American resources company against the moratorium on oil and gas exploration in Quebec.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/isds-the-devil-in-the-trade-deal/5734490
cali
(114,904 posts)thanks for the view from your neck of the woods. Btw, left wing dems here in Congress don't support it at all. In fact, the vast majority don't support it. The last count I've heard in the House, is 20 dems have said they'll support it. In the Senate, it's easier going, but I doubt more than 10 will support it.
The worst thing about that PM ISDS case is the chilling effect that it (and the ISDS case by PM against Uruguay) has had on other countries re their proposed similar labeling laws.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I hope more dems wise up to the dangers of the TPP and withdraw their support. I'd like to see Australia reject it, but unfortunately there's no signs of an election happening anytime soon. If the ALP and the Greens had the numbers in Parliament they'd reject it for sure. What I really don't understand is why Obama's so hot for the TPP and why I've seen a few DUers pretending it's a good thing.
The whole PM thing pisses me off. I'm a smoker and I support the plain packaging and the warning labels. If they'd been there when I was younger I'd never have started smoking. Which of course isn't what PM wants. I don't know if you've seen our packaging but I know smokers who buy cigarette cases just so they don't have to look at Dyin' Bryan.
stonecutter357
(12,696 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)you've managed it. you've managed to remove all doubt just with the use of smilies. This is what you post in every thread where you either don't know enough to respond cogently, or where you can't come up with an argument.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I got as far as the first emoticon which I guess translates as: 'Penny Wong has her tinfoil hat on, as those radical far leftist ALP politicians tend to do. If only they were more centrist!' but then didn't understand what the second one is. Is it a smiley scratching its arse trying to think of ways to sell that dud of a TPP to the world?
AllyCat
(16,183 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)One that says: 'Oops! I haven't read anything on ISDS and how it'd affect Australia and it was a bit knee-jerky of me to label the Australian Left as being tin-foil hat types!' That'll be followed by a
They'll be back soon!
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)will have what to say about Minister Wong?