DP for the Boston Bomber.

[TheCowsCameHome]

Results are coming in now......

[closeupready]

1. Punishing a murderer by murdering him.

Setting a good example.

[still_one]

29. He was more than a murderer, he was a terrorist, who tried to mass kill a lot of people

[closeupready]

34. So terrorizing terrorists in order to stop terrorism. Happy now?

[yeoman6987]

30. I just heard we only put 3 murderers to death since 1988

on the federal level so it's not like we are using it liberally.

[closeupready]

36. I guess you have to hold sour views of humanity in order

to relinquish the idea that people can change for the better. Because it you DO subscribe to the view that there is always that possibility, then you really can't ever be in favor of the death penalty here in the US and ALSO hold yourself out as someone who is brave - brave enough to oppose the DP even in the very worst cases. YMMV.

[yeoman6987]

49. I guess. I don't care one way or the other.

I don't think bravery has any baring at all. It is silly to get emotionally in something that is so incredibly rare. I thought it was something far more used but 3 times in 27 years? Shouldn't even be a blimp in our radar. Millions of thing more important.

[closeupready]

54. Staking out an unpopular view in America most definitely requires

courage and inner strength. It's easy, after considering the crimes this person committed, to say, "you know what? I don't know this guy, don't care about him, fuck him, go ahead and fry him." That's the easy path to take.

But to say, "I know nothing about this guy, don't care about him, but I still think he should be spared the DP, and further, I don't even think Supermax is ethical; solitary confinement as a permanent state of punishment is cruel," when people even on DU are calling for blood...?

That's bold.

And it's important. Life is important, our justice system's integrity is important. That's why there will be hundreds of threads here discussing it, thousands of posts this weekend, involving hundreds of DU members; we care.

[NotoriousRBG]

37. Murder is, by definition, unlawful. This case will culminate in a lawful execution.

The word murder does not fit.

[F4lconF16]

41. The black men killed by police was lawful.

Fuck that, it's murder. Plain and simple.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

53. Good point. Death penalty is like guns, belief in god, evolution eventually resolves

our immaturity.

[Rex]

2. No surprise here. nt

nt

[shenmue]

3. Lethal injection

says the AP bulletin.

[LittleBlue]

4. Meh

Not that he doesn't deserve it, but the practice is still barbaric. However there is no doubt of his guilt so I won't be sad for him

[earthside]

13. Less barbaric than 50+ years in prison?

Frankly, considering the age of this murderer ... he's lucky for this penalty.

He gets a single death; more than he deserves really.

[LittleBlue]

17. True

50 years in a Supermax would break a person's mind. If I were him, I wouldn't bother appealing

[SoCalMusicLover]

27. His Lawyers Will Appeal

That's what they do.

Won't cost him anything, so why not use the U.S. system he hates so much.

[Throd]

5. I'm OK with this.

[pintobean]

8. Me too. /nt

[840high]

55. same here

[Logical]

11. Lol, yes, so progressive of you! We all know all the progressive countries....

Have the death penalty! Canada, the UK, France,......err wait.

[Throd]

12. Nope. Still don't give a shit.

[Logical]

16. I am Sure you dont! Exposes you which is good! Nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

20. Exposes....how? In what way? What do you mean? Please explain. Thank you. nt

[SoCalMusicLover]

33. Democrats Must Be In Lockstep Like repubs

If you favor the DP, you are not progressive nor should you consider yourself a Liberal.

Because everybody knows, there are NO Liberals who support the DP. NONE, not a single one.

I suppose someone should tell that to the folks on this site who favor guns. That is not a Progressive position, and you expose yourself by supporting gun ownership.

<sarcasm> in case it's needed.

[Logical]

35. No countries i admire does, maybe many countries that you admire......

Executes people. Name a few. Thanks!

[KittyWampus]

40. I don't base my core beliefs on what other people do. So while I do oppose the DP

it has zero to do with other countries.

[Logical]

42. good to know, i will alert the media! nt

[KittyWampus]

44. and you might want to rebut DP debates w/o talking about other countries.

At least not in such facile terms as "I like country X and they don't have it".

[Logical]

47. Nope, i love countries with universal health care, etc, it is good....

To see where we match up to other progressive countries.

[yeoman6987]

50. Nonsense and you don't decide one way of the other.

[LanternWaste]

21. The dogmatic mind is a curious thing, indeed...

I am often bemused by the singular individual who pretends to have absolute knowledge of all things progressive, using that pretense to trivialize opinions different than he himself may hold. The dogmatic mind is a curious thing, indeed...

[Logical]

28. At least you didnt repeat your subject line......

And name a country you admire that executes people!

Afraid you are wrong on this issue!

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Woohoo! We're imposing Saudi Arabian values!!

Let's go the full monty and go all North Korean on him!

[Logical]

14. No shit, look at countries who have the DP! Terrible! nt

[yeoman6987]

23. He's 19. If he had life in prison, that would be worse.

Can you imagine sitting in a cell for maybe 70 years? I'd take DP myself. A dose that makes me fall asleep and die. I've heard of innocent people who die a horrid death.

[backscatter712]

57. Say what you will about using an anti-aircraft gun,

At least it's quick.

BOOM! SPLAT!

[AgingAmerican]

7. Regressive and barbaric IMHO

nt

[FLPanhandle]

9. I hope he didn't want it.

If he wanted Life in Prison, I was hoping he would get Death.

If he wanted Death, I was hoping he got Life in Prison.

[BeyondGeography]

39. He is that kind of guy

I get it.

Tom Waits (The Fall of Troy) is worth citing here:

It's the same with men
As with horses and dogs
Nothing wants to die

[Hoyt]

10. I am surprised. As I understand it, it had to be unanimous. I thought sure a few would

be against death penalty.

[jeff47]

15. If you mean against the death penalty in general

that's usually grounds to exclude someone from the jury.

If you mean in this particular case, no idea.

[catnhatnh]

18. Part of empaneling the Jury was asking if they could support a death penalty...

...a "no" would mean dismissal.

[Chan790]

19. I'm still hoping it gets commuted to life.

As an anti-DP activist, I cannot pick and choose who I want to fight to spare capital punishment...even the scum of the Earth like Tsarnaev.

[brooklynite]

26. I don't think even Bernie Sanders would commute this sentence...

[Chan790]

32. Conceded.

That doesn't mean we don't fight for it or hope a court does it for us on appeal.

[octoberlib]

22. ....

John Fugelsang ?@JohnFugelsang 8m8 minutes ago
The state killing #Tsarnaev for the crime of killing will prove once and for all that killing is wrong.

[frylock]

58. this

[yellowcanine]

24. I am sure Tim McVeigh's name came up in that jury deliberation.

Proponents of DP would argue that if McVeigh got the DP it is hard to withhold it here.
I think that is bogus argument but I do think that card was played.

[lapislzi]

25. So he gets his martyrdom after all

And this serves justice exactly... how?

[whatthehey]

31. In general I am ok with the DP, but possibly not here.

The one objective utilitarian argument for the DP (which opponents almost always ignore) is that it is the ONLY, bar-none, punishment which guarantees no recidivism. LWP, solitary, Supermax, all have had people kill again. But that's for the MacDuffs and Gacys of the world. I am fairly sure prisons can prevent people from reoffending in regard to public event bombings.

Gi

[xfundy]

38. Much more cruel to have him sit in prison

for the rest of his life. His every move subject to scrutiny and directed by screamed demands from his captors. That in itself is torture, and the little bastard will 'get away with it' if he gets to die.

Wonder if he'll still get his 72 raisins in the afterlife.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

[F4lconF16]

46. This is NOT okay!

People are fucking sadistic.

[beam me up scottie]

56. I think I need to stay out of GD for a few days.

Ugh.

[F4lconF16]

59. Yeah...

It may be time for a break again for me as well.

I saw the news, and immediately knew this was not going to be a fun place for a while.

Take care.

[beam me up scottie]

60. You too.

[Logical]

48. You are on the wrong forum i assume! nt

[KamaAina]

51. In a state that doesn't have it.

I'm sure we'll be hearing from the states' rights crowd any minute now.

[odd_duck]

52. What has been....

the response from the "pro-lifers"????