Elephant in Living Room: White Supremacists w/ Badges & Guns murdering black men

[99th_Monkey]

FBI’s warning of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement nearly forgotten
by Samuel V. Jones * May 12, 2015 * The Grio

Because of intensifying civil strife over the recent killings of unarmed black men and boys, many Americans are wondering, “What’s wrong with our police?” Remarkably, one of the most compelling but unexplored explanations may rest with a FBI warning of October 2006, which reported that “White supremacist infiltration of law enforcement” represented a significant national threat.

Several key events preceded the report. A federal court found that members of a Los Angeles sheriffs department formed a Neo Nazi gang and habitually terrorized the black community. Later, the Chicago police department fired Jon Burge, a detective with reputed ties to the Ku Klux Klan, after discovering he tortured over 100 black male suspects. Thereafter, the Mayor of Cleveland discovered that many of the city police locker rooms were infested with “White Power” graffiti. Years later, a Texas sheriff department discovered that two of its deputies were recruiters for the Klan.

In near prophetic fashion, after the FBI’s warning, white supremacy extremism in the U.S. increased, exponentially. From 2008 to 2014, the number of white supremacist groups, reportedly, grew from 149 to nearly a thousand, with no apparent abatement in their infiltration of law enforcement.

This year, alone, at least seven San Francisco law enforcement officers were suspended after an investigation revealed they exchanged numerous “White Power” communications laden with remarks about “lynching African-Americans and burning crosses.” Three reputed Klan members that served as correction officers were arrested for conspiring to murder a black inmate. At least four Fort Lauderdale police officers were fired after an investigation found that the officers fantasized about killing black suspects.

MORE: http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-white-supremacists-law-enforcement/

LINK TO FBI SOURCE DOCUMENT "White Supremacists Infiltrating Law Enforcement"
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

[Buzz Clik]

1. Are white supremacists recruiting black cops?

I don't doubt the FBI's analysis, but this is a cop problem, not a white cop problem.

[99th_Monkey]

2. How then do you explain the massively disproportionate killing of black males?

I'm not suggesting that white supremacy is the ONLY problem with cops these daze.

What I AM suggesting is that -- along with Vets w/ PTSD and massive militarization of police -- this
is a HUGE contributing factor, that helps explain the disproportionate singling out of black males for public execution.

[Buzz Clik]

3. It's probably geographic. I doubt the white supremacy is coast-to-coast phenomenon.

A factor, yeah, but it depends on where you are.

Probably not a big thing in Baltimore.

[99th_Monkey]

6. Did you notice how many city's police departments were noted in article?

I live in Portland, and I remember some WSs being exposed here too, too little too late.

[gregcrawford]

14. Sorry, Buzz, but you are terminally delusional

The phenomenon is endemic, and the magnitude of their evil is beyond comprehension.

First, they victimize Blacks, women, and the poor, and simple-minded white trash say, "FUCK, YEAH!"

Until it's their turn. Because fascist psychopaths NEVER stop. I once asked the skinhead son of an acquaintance, "So, if you got rid of all the Blacks, gays, Muslims, and Jews, what would you have left to hate people for?"

His reply: "The color of their eyes!" He went on to mention hair, size, and financial status, basically ragging on anyone that didn't look just like him, but the point is, these mutant wastes of skin live to hate. And giving these malignancies guns and badges has created this firestorm of malice.

Your turn is coming. Hope you're ready for it.

[heaven05]

25. I was going to respond

to the individual you're addressing. Don't have to.

[Buzz Clik]

37. I doubt that he prove his point. Would you care to try?

[heaven05]

39. 1000 white hate groups

further down in the thread is a map concerning the hate groups....that proves the point. Nothing more needs to be proved.

[Buzz Clik]

44. Nope.

[heaven05]

52. yep

[Buzz Clik]

36. When someone calls me "delusional", I expect documentation to prove the point.

"White supremacist" has a very specific meaning and cannot be applied to anyone who has an aversion to "anyone that didn't look just like him."

So, please -- do tell. How do you know that these ultaviolent white cops are white supremacists?

[gregcrawford]

70. The term is not as rigidly defined as you seem to think, Buzz...

... it describes an attitude, not a party membership. Someone doesn't have to be a member of the Klan or Aryan Nation to be a "White Supremacist."

But those cops dumb enough to allow their membership in such organizations to become known have been exposed in nearly every major urban area in the country, though the media don't like to dwell on such unsavory associations. Even if it's only a few, it's still a scary concept, and what has been exposed is only the tip of a very ugly iceberg.

The documentation is all over DU, AlterNet, Daily Kos, and every other news outlet not bought and paid for by the oligarchy. One might as well claim that "the jury's still out" on gravity; the evidence of systemic racism within police departments is overwhelming.

Incidentally, my younger stepson is a cop, and sadly, has married into a tribe of racists. "White Supremacists" are defined by their actions, not necessarily by membership in one of the multitude of diseased social clubs.

[PADemD]

15. SPLC Hate Map

Nationwide listing of hate groups

http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

[Eleanors38]

26. I read research in '64 which showed similar results. CA Man displaces FL Man?

[Buzz Clik]

41. You picked up on the coast-to-coast thing, but out of context.

The context is white supremacists on the police force.

I will note that on your map, there are four hate groups in Baltimore (which I also mentioned):

1. Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ, a Black Separatist group
   
2. Nation of Islam, a Black Separatist group
   
3. Jamaat al-Mullimeen, "General Hate" (but doesn't sound very white separatist"
   
4. Maryland State Skinheads, White Racist

So, it looks like the white haters are outnumbered in Baltimore. On the police force? Who knows.

[heaven05]

57. nope, the context

is also on the number of those groups who are active police officers. Your four, not even close to being relevant to the white hate groups prevalent in in amerikkka..... I bet during the bundy ranch "standoff", plenty of those groups were represented just waiting for the POTUS to make a mistake so they could go on a racist tear. To get you right, you're saying the racist(s)from a lot of these groups, are not on amerikkkan police forces and are not spread over the whole nation. Right? Let me try a little logic on you. If racists mentality and groups are spreading over the whole nation, as it is today 2015, then they couldn't possibly be infesting police forces nationwide? Right?

[Buzz Clik]

58. Do you have any concept what this thread is about?

[heaven05]

60. yeah, the elephant in the room

racist(s) from white supremacist groups and just your garden variety that ARE on amerikkkan police forces, nationwide. You have NO idea, I can see, of the hate faced by POC in amerika from forces that are supposed to 'protect and serve'. More like target and shoot., 2015. Your tired fall back answer is a glaring example of you having no clue. I'm done with you.

[LeftyMom]

62. I read that the Baltimore cops have a demographic split:

the white cops largely live in the outlying suburbs and many have sizable commutes. The black cops tend to live in Baltimore proper.

So noting that there is only one organized white supremacist group in Baltimore proper doesn't mean that white cops in Baltimore aren't racist (most racist people aren't members of organized groups with meetings and a mailing list) or members of organized racist groups.

It's not uncommon for virulent racists to live in less diverse areas and then travel to more diverse areas to cause problems.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Psst:....

http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map#s=MD

[Buzz Clik]

42. Psst...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6681595

We are talking about white supremacists on the police force.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. There has been infiltration NATIONALLY as part of an agenda.

[heaven05]

21. Really?

geez

[Buzz Clik]

43. Nicely played!

I feel totally defeated now.

[heaven05]

53. oh please don't

just because you're wrong.

[sarisataka]

24. Any data

To support the claim vets w/PTSD are a "HUGE" contributing factor?

Or is that one of those things everyone knows is true because they read it on the internet?

[Buzz Clik]

54. There is no data for any of this.

It's all based on conjecture, preconceived notions, and some amazing logic:

A. Some white cops have killed some black unarmed citizens
B. White supremacist groups are on the rise
C. Therefore, the white cops killing black citizens belong to white supremacist groups.

QED

[madville]

48. The statistics are interesting

If you run the DOJ numbers per interaction with the police a white person has a slightly higher statistical probability of being killed.

What waters that down is that black people have a higher rate of interactions with police but twice as many white people than black are killed by the police each year.

[Buzz Clik]

55. That wasn't the question.

[Enthusiast]

32. It's a white cop problem.

You always come up with this SHIT.

[Buzz Clik]

56. There are no black cops killing black unarmed citizens?

Holy flying fuck! Do you think you get to invent shit and not get called on it?

Question: What fraction of the cops indicted in Baltimore in association with Freddie Gray's death were black?
Answer: Half!

Question: What fraction of the hate groups in Baltimore are white supremacist?
Answer: 25%. Half are Black separatist

Using the flawed logic prevalent in this dipshit thread, I could prove conclusively that Freddie Gray's death was the result of infiltration of the Baltimore Police Department by Black Separatists.

[Enthusiast]

59. It's still a white cop problem.

[gollygee]

5. I don't doubt this is happening

But I think the main problem is just regular racism, probably even among people who don't think they're racist.

Even bigger than that, the racist criminal justice system. And other racist systems in the US, like education.

[99th_Monkey]

7. Why then do we see this (from the article linked)

"From 2008 to 2014, the number of white supremacist groups, reportedly, grew from 149 to nearly a thousand, with no apparent abatement in their infiltration of law enforcement."

[gollygee]

20. "Near a thousand" doesn't explain the racism in law enforcement and the criminal justice system

The problem isn't just white supremacists. There are a ton of people, including people in law enforcement, who don't think they're racist and just think African Americans are inherently dangerous, and who simply don't value their lives. And beyond that the whole criminal justice sytem has a history of racism, all the way back to colonial times. No one has ever dismantled the criminal justice system and rebuilt it without racism. And then there are other systems that have racism built into them, like education, that lead to law enforcment problems. This is bigger than just a few bad apples who are white supremacists. This is a racist system in a country that is still racist. It's great to get rid of racist police officers, but if the system is racist, they'll just be replaced with similar police officers, who have the same training, the same regulations, the same practices.

[99th_Monkey]

23. I mostly don't disagree with you.

Last edited Sat May 16, 2015, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)

No one (at least not me) has said it's "ONLY" white supremacists that are the problem with out-of-control cops murdering citizens in the streets. What I AM saying is that white supremacists have proliferated and infiltrated police forces en mass around the nation; and that this fact is mostly being ignored and/or under-reported in the media.

Yes, there are many cops w/latent racist tendencies at work as well, as you point out; who are easily fueled and encouraged by a persistent and increasing presence of flat-out white supremacists in the ranks as their co-workers.

[heaven05]

27. 1000 white supremacist groups

is quite a few, I think. If they were 1000 black groups the cultural/societal racism that is driving this problem would declare war on those 1000 black groups. Otherwise I totally agree with you.

[gollygee]

28. Oh, I thought it said there were 1000 white supremacists in law enforcement

but I guess there's no way they'd know that so that didn't really make sense.

[whereisjustice]

8. This is more of a problem of rich versus poor. Ironically those cops would have no employment

if they didn't take a job hunting down, harassing, beating and killing poor people. I believe it is more of a case of self-hate.

Not too many people with good moral character will take a job that pays you based on how much revenue in arrest fines and fees you can generate by shaking down poor people.

[99th_Monkey]

10. How then do you explain these two facts away?

1) the massively disproportionate incidents of black males being publicly executed in our streets,
and
2) "From 2008 to 2014, the number of white supremacist groups, reportedly, grew from 149 to nearly a thousand, with no apparent abatement in their infiltration of law enforcement."

ON EDIT: I'm not completely disagreeing with you, about rich v. poor being a contributing factor. But I feel THIS contributing factor is being completely ignored. I think THIS contributing factor needs to be named and called out for what it is.

[whereisjustice]

11. I don't explain them away... black unemployment is double that of whites, black wealth in 2013

median of about $11,000. White wealth median of about $141,000.

Money buys civil rights in America. If you beat up a white person for resisting arrest after being pulled over for a non-broken tail light, there is a good chance the white person has the means to fight back in court.

Someone who has no money has no legal defense available except the minimum default available.

Making things worse, the arrest record keeps black families in poverty for generations since they are automatically excluded from the workforce.

So, I believe it is rich versus poor. Wealth = power = civil rights. We are farming the poor like livestock to pay for the rich.

As an example, the rich will always be able to afford an abortion. They'll buy bottled water. They'll breath the filtered air from their mansion, to their limo, to their private jet, to a vacation home in Europe with clean mountain air. And they can afford to buy their way out of their responsibility for the declining state of our nation.

We admire this as the American dream and believe the same opportunity exists equally for all. Therefore, if you are poor, you must be evil and unworthy of American civil protections.

Like it or not, this is a meme promoted 24/7 by our media monopoly and the non-stop brainwashing that the rich are pure and non-rich impure has turned even the Democratic Party to direct object hostility to those without means, wealth and power.

That's what is so horrible about Clinton as a candidate. She's a product of entitlement and wealth and represents the mindset at the root of our disparity and injustice.

People admire her ability to gain wealth even as the policies she defends and promotes continue to stack up families in poverty.

btw - to be sure, I don't dispute there is organized racism in police depts. I also believe it is organized in the military and DoD including NSA, CIA, etc.

However, it is the deliberate political goal of BOTH parties to promote the interests of the wealthy over the interests of the non-wealthy and this fact of deliberate negligence has allowed racism, like a disease, to spread.

[99th_Monkey]

13. You make a good case

I think it's "both/and" .. not to mention 1000s of Iraq Vets w/ PTSD in police departments AND the massive militarization of police. Add all this up, and we get exactly what we have now: a major mess on our hands.

[Eleanors38]

31. Walter Mosely says race is important, but class is overriding in these shootings...

I think also that LEOs are increasingly viewing "confrontations" as life & death, with the drawn gun as weapon of first choice. There may be a militarization factor where the suspect is seen as the enemy; frankly, this white boy doesn't feel comfortable about any interaction with police over the last 20 yrs. Is it worse for blacks? Sure. But there is a malignant "rising tide" that engulfs all boats. A video in the RKBA group shows a Ft. Meyers man attacked by a trio of racists in a Waffle House. He plugged one with a legal concealed-carry (RIP), then phoned the cops and told them about the attack. Notably, he told the police his pistol was on the counter, and when they arrived he would be face down on the floor. He proceeded to do that. No charges filed.

Come to think of it, if that ever happens to me, I'll follow the same procedure!

[spanone]

9. k&r...

[libodem]

12. It is a white on black problem

Until you get to Utah where almost everyone is white and you check out the number of civilians shot by cops.

It's also an authoritarian and submission problem. Not discounting the racism but it goes deeper, I think. It comes down to strict obedience and no resistance even if you know they may beat you to death after you are on the ground.

I was raised in the 50's and it is the same parent child model of obeying without question or be whipped.

[99th_Monkey]

16. Yes, there are a number of underlying causations for "out-of-control" Cops Murdering citizens

returning Iraq Vets with PTSD in police ranks, massive militarization of police, rich v. very poor, etc.

I'm pointing out this one (white supremacist infiltration) because it's being mostly over-looked and under reported by media.

on edit: yes, I was raised in 50s too, so I know what you mean on that one.

[libodem]

34. I'm with you on this

And I hope I didn't sound contrary because it's a horrendous problem for POC. I don't want to take anything away from the focus on it.

I do like calling attention to Utah however because of the similarities and because the problem is largely hidden or ignored. (And I'm out west)

It seems like class warfare and I would like the poor white jokers to know what side they belong to, and who to vote for, to help them. The idiots vote Republican and think rich people care about them.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. Come ON people! Everyone knows if you reported a burning cross in your yard,.....

....it was usually the local sheriff that struck the match.

[99th_Monkey]

19. I think many assume a past-tense on that one

as in "was" .. like you say.

Seems it's more present-tense than most imagined.

[erronis]

22. But let's carry this discussion forward a bit

White supremacists aren't normally known for their quiet demeanor, intelligence and ability to organize - especially when needed to be inserted as hidden agents within an organization. Unless I've lost track of the various Aryan Nations, KKK, Birchers, etc., most of these groups have been able to be exposed through stupidity. What I'm thinking is that there may be other groups that are not stupid, groups that have a cause (national, international) that can have a tremendous influence on the normal life of the country.

What if there is a more nebulous thread of incitement from outside of the police forces that can stroke/stoke those loose cannons without giving away the thread's presence? When people are off-hinged (power, PTSD, drugs, genetics, blackmail, sex, etc.) then it usually doesn't take too big a nudge to get a desired action.

All of the new technologies that the FBI and other agencies are using now can be side-stepped. This is what worries the intelligence groups and gets them to ask for more powers and to try to limit technological means of defeating their surveillance. Again, it's only the stupid ones that are getting caught.

[heaven05]

29. per your first line

all I say to dispute that erroneous assumption is: David Duke and his clones....they are smart, savvy, slick and that mentality is still training hateful whites on how to get rid of and/or strike fear into the heart(s) of the other, usually POC. Not poor whites, POC. So I think your postulation on a "more nebulous thread of incitement" is actually fact. It is a known fact that the Internet has made it possible for those 1000 groups here and the thousands of groups internationally to share notes. Anyone who can reason knows this is going on.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[Quayblue]

33. I agree with you

The internet is a MF'er, simply put.

[heaven05]

40. +

[mountain grammy]

30. Thanks for posting.. wanted to kick this

important post. I have to run, bookmarked for later. Hope this gets hundreds of recs.

It was posted before.

[Enthusiast]

35. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[jtuck004]

38. So the FBI is investigating and routinely bringing cases to the Justice Department? n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

45. Here's what Southern Poverty Law Center has to say about supremacist groups and the military...

"The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) today urged Congress to investigate growing evidence that racial extremists are infiltrating the U.S. military and take steps to ensure that the armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists.

In a letter to committee chairmen with oversight over homeland security and the armed services, the SPLC said it recently found dozens of personal profiles on the neo-Nazi social networking site, NewSaxon.org, which listed “military” as the poster’s occupation. NewSaxon is run by the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement and serves as a sort of racist version of Facebook for “People of European Descent.” These profiles are just the latest in a string of evidence the SPLC has provided since 2006 to the Pentagon of extremist infiltration of the military (for SPLC’s reports, read here, here, and here)."

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/07/10/splc-finds-new-evidence-of-extremists-in-the-military-urges-congress-to-investigate/comment-page-1/

[uponit7771]

46. The KKK raised funds for Wilson ...

[Vattel]

47. I wish there was good data on police killings to provide context here.

Without that, I have no idea what the size of the problem is. So explaining the problem in terms of white supremacists entering the police force is premature. Also, I didn't see any mention of an actual case in which a white supremacist cop killed someone. This is pretty half-baked IMHO.

[certainot]

49. and they're egged on by rw radio racists, where they hear thinly veiled

excuses and rationalizations used to sell voter suppression, enable the growth of the prison industrial complex, and get idiots to vote against their own interests out of fear and hate.

\many of those stations, including at least 267 out of 600 limbaugh stations, depend on 90+ university sports logos for community standing and ad dollars.

even more ironically, those sports teams are dominated by african american athletes.

students at those schools could end a lot a lot of this by insisting their schools honor their own mission statements and look for apolitical alts. the stations couldn't survive, and the KKK radio monopoly would fall apart.

[uponit7771]

66. +1

[sabrina 1]

51. Shameful, but hardly a surprise. Our whole civilian police force needs to be reformed from the top

down.

[jtuck004]

61. White Elephant in the Living Room,

If you know what I mean.

And if not...

"A white elephant is a possession which its owner cannot dispose of and whose cost, particularly that of maintenance, is out of proportion to its usefulness." Wiki.

Now you do.

I wonder if that same sort of expression exists in other cultures besides this one?

[99th_Monkey]

64. +10 ~nt~

[BlancheSplanchnik]

63. :( ^ n/t

[libodem]

65. This was a great OP

[99th_Monkey]

67. Thanks. nt

[Dream Girl]

68. this is something I've wondered about for a long time

It seems intentional, the way they are hunting black men down and they are doing so with impunity. Very sick and very frightening.

[lame54]

69. Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses...

Name that early 90`s tune