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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:41 PM May 2015

Schumer Plants His Contemptible Lies To Assassinate Alan Grayson's Good Name




Several weeks ago, a highly placed source within Patrick Murphy's campaign bragged that Chuck Schumer would drive Alan Grayson out of the Florida Senate primary by unleashing a barrage of opposition research about his business dealings. Schumer, easily the sleaziest Democrat in the Senate-- who is desperate to please Wall Street banksters by delivering the open Florida seat to Murphy-- twisted a perfectly innocent SEC filing into a smoking gun of corruption. He then hired Queen Helena's p.r. assistant to find a pathetic "journalist" willing to run it up the flag pole and get the tongues wagging. Schumer did well in planting his bullshit bombshell with lazy would-be muck-raker Adam Smith from the Tampa Bay Times, who was eager to make the story about himself.

~snip~

Last night I was watching a PBS showing of Ken Burns' The Roosevelts-- An Intimate History, when J.P. Morgan's ugly mug popped up on the screen. A social parasite who our political elites failed to protect society from, Morgan blurted out, "I owe the public nothing" ... which is pretty much the way Wall Street still feels. Today's Republicans are not Teddy Roosevelt and they are not going to hold to fire to the feet of predators like Morgan. Alas, neither are most Beltway Democrats. Sure, you have a few good guys-- like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown, Jeff Merkley, Brian Schatz in the Senate, and Alan Grayson, Donna Edwards, Raul Grijalva, Mark Pocan, Ted Lieu, Judy Chu, Keith Ellison, Jan Schakowsky in the House. But power in Congress is in the hands of Wall Street-owned shills like Chuck Schumer and Steve Israel who will never take the side of their own constituents over the interests of the big Wall Street banksters.

That helps explain why Schumer hand-picks Wall Street-owned hacks like Patrick Murphy (FL) and Ted Strickland (OH) to run for Senate seats and why Israel is always finding opportunistic Republicans to "switch" parties and run as though they were Democrats (the way Murphy did and they way Michael Derrick is trying to do in New York's North Country). Schumer and Israel are responsible for bringing in cash from the crooked banksters, and the crooked banksters are freaking out over Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders and warning the Beltway power brokers that they're going to cut the DSCC and DCCC off.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2015/05/no-more-teddy-roosevelts-in-gop-and-too.html



Schumer's opposition research isn't focusing on Ron DeSantis, Don Gaetz, Carlos Lopez-Cantera, David Jolly, George LeMieux or any other Republican looking to replace Marco Rubio in the Senate. With Patrick Murphy's deputy chief of staff now the Deputy Political Director of the DSCC, Schumer and his irrelevant handmaiden, Jon Tester, are taking aim against progressive icon Alan Grayson. Adam Smith has been unable to contain himself and has spread their poisonous lies far and wide.

Smith: "The last time I spoke with him, on Wednesday, Congressman Grayson was shouting at me over the phone. 'Are are you some kind of shitting robot?! You go around shitting on people?!' he shouted. This was after I asked about why he had incorporated hedge funds in the Cayman Islands-- the kind of offshore tax havens he has criticized."


Grayson, severely jet-lagged after flying back to Orlando from meetings with Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah, didn't enjoy being threatened by Smith who accused him of setting up an off-shore account to evade taxes. This is pure Schumer hogwash. No taxes have been evaded and no taxes were ever meant to be evaded. Smith is too stupid and lazy to bother finding out how legitimate money managers set up their accounts. The simple fact, as Grayson undoubtedly tried to explain to Smith, is that whenever an investment fund is set up by any competent law firm, it's set up in two sections: one for investors who are taxed under US law, and one for investors who are not. The domestic fund is set up in the United States, and the international fund is set up somewhere else, like the Cayman Islands. Both the SEC and the IRS have approved this setup, because it prevents foreign investors, charities and others who were never intended to be taxed in the United States from inadvertently getting tangled up in IRS bureaucracy, when they don’t owe any taxes under US law. This is not "tax avoidance," as Smith wrongly claimed. In fact, if an English investor wants to invest in an investment fund, that’s the only legal way to do it, and it doesn’t "avoid" or reduce taxes at all-- not the English investor’s, not Grayson’s, not anybody's. Chuck Schumer certainly understands that; his surrogate just neglected to explain it to the oafish Smith for obvious reasons.


But here's the real kicker-- since the domestic and international funds were set up, not a single dollar has been invested in the international fund. In fact, Grayson hasn’t even solicited a single investor into the international fund-- and Grayson didn't just tell me this; he told it to Smith, according to the article. But Smith, who was obviously bent on trying to destroy Grayson’s reputation, went ahead with his hit piece for Murphy and Schumer anyway.





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http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com
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Schumer Plants His Contemptible Lies To Assassinate Alan Grayson's Good Name (Original Post) Segami May 2015 OP
I knew it. As soon as I saw this latest attack on Grayson that it was coming from somewhere sabrina 1 May 2015 #1
Its not just Grayson... Segami May 2015 #6
There is no way I would support Murphy over Grayson. So they can't take Grayson on on the issues, sabrina 1 May 2015 #7
Grayson is doomed naoya6161 May 2015 #13
In your dreams. Sadly I should add, since he is far more progressive than Murphy and Schumer sabrina 1 May 2015 #25
Who do you want to run against Schumer? hrmjustin May 2015 #30
If he wasn't otherwise occupied, I wouldn't mind seeing Grayson return to NY and run against him sabrina 1 May 2015 #32
I would not vote for Grayson in NY but Schumer does get on my nerves. hrmjustin May 2015 #40
No, it would not be a good thing to keep him. He is not popular with his constituents, he is there sabrina 1 May 2015 #46
I want the AG to challenge Cuomo. hrmjustin May 2015 #48
Schumer not popular....you must be joking right... Historic NY May 2015 #98
Schumer as Senate Leader makes me want to vomit. A Turd Way Wall Street Boot Licker. 2banon May 2015 #63
Ok. i am not a fan either but he has a good point or two once in awhile. hrmjustin May 2015 #66
Wouldn't you rather see someone in his position do a lot better than that? 2banon May 2015 #68
Conflicted. i personally would have preferred to see Durbin there but he can bring hrmjustin May 2015 #69
Would be better.. 2banon May 2015 #73
I am not sure he will be challenged by a big name here. hrmjustin May 2015 #76
nope. the system has it pretty rigged for a long long stay. unfortunately. 2banon May 2015 #80
The money needed to run here is horrific. hrmjustin May 2015 #81
"he is better than a Republican" that's the Third Way manipulation. rhett o rick May 2015 #107
I can think for myself you know. hrmjustin May 2015 #111
That would be hilarious. Schumer would destroy him. 7962 May 2015 #79
Ain't that the truth. hrmjustin May 2015 #82
So there is no sense in trying..... daleanime May 2015 #27
Are you from Florida? hrmjustin May 2015 #28
Yes naoya6161 May 2015 #42
I have worries about Grayson comes across. hrmjustin May 2015 #44
Hmm? naoya6161 May 2015 #49
I mean i worry he does not come accross well to the voters. hrmjustin May 2015 #51
Exactly naoya6161 May 2015 #54
Yeah i remember his loss. it was a heartbreaker. hrmjustin May 2015 #57
"What Grayson did here"?!? tkmorris May 2015 #70
Where to begin... naoya6161 May 2015 #74
And... you've said nothing tkmorris May 2015 #99
Is that the best you can do? naoya6161 May 2015 #100
I'm not a Grayson fan at all. 840high May 2015 #86
A "better record of getting stuff done" than Grayson? Hogwash. Scuba May 2015 #109
Murphy voted for Romney in 2012 betterdemsonly May 2015 #102
Schumer sucks madokie May 2015 #110
Btw, this isn't the first time Schumer has has a hand in going after a progressive candidate, in sabrina 1 May 2015 #2
Way to go Chuckie Boy, Wellstone ruled May 2015 #3
This what we are good at - come on DU find the evidence. jwirr May 2015 #8
We now know most Democratic Senators and Congressmen monitor Wellstone ruled May 2015 #15
Oops sorry. J do believe we are monitored and that we make a difference. jwirr May 2015 #16
If these folks can take the heat,get to hell out of Wellstone ruled May 2015 #29
No proof naoya6161 May 2015 #4
Right! hobbit709 May 2015 #5
Well... naoya6161 May 2015 #11
Except Schumer has a reputation for doing this kind of thing when a Progressive is running against sabrina 1 May 2015 #36
Remember, Grayson apparently swore at Tester naoya6161 May 2015 #45
Is Patrick Murphy (FL) a Third Way Choice?... Segami May 2015 #9
Sorry, no. this minimizes what Grayson did. Schumer's ugly oppo research aside cali May 2015 #10
Exactly, Grayson wasn't adverse to going full blown... Historic NY May 2015 #104
This is what primaries are for. hrmjustin May 2015 #12
GOOD! MohRokTah May 2015 #14
If Rubio doesn't get the presidential nomination and runs for re-election he's a shoo-in... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #17
I think Rubio announced he wasn't running again. hrmjustin May 2015 #18
Then I would call it a toss up... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #19
I think Grayson would have a harder time winning the seat than Murphy. hrmjustin May 2015 #20
As do I but neither can beat Rubio... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #22
It is a tough state but with HRC at the top she can pull the Senate nominee over the finish line. hrmjustin May 2015 #23
Hopefully but If Bush lll or Rubio are on the top of the ticket it's going to be painfully close... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #24
here is a cnn story on it from the other day. hrmjustin May 2015 #26
I lived in FL from 70-012, from the time I was a young boy. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #31
Never heard of the Mayor but it woukd be nice if they did some party building in Florida. hrmjustin May 2015 #33
I am biased but I thought he was/is a great mayor DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #37
I wonder is Murphy can win or Grayson. hrmjustin May 2015 #43
Without Rubio it's an open seat in a purple state so it's consequently a toss up.../NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #47
Probably and the gop primary looks to be a mess. hrmjustin May 2015 #50
I would feel better if Murphy wasn't a former Republican DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #52
Fair point. hrmjustin May 2015 #53
It was funny watching his campaign first hand... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #56
West was not able to go off script and I remember he didn't want the Democratic votes counted. hrmjustin May 2015 #58
He also alienated the glbt community, not that they were inclined to support him in the first place. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59
I bet even the log cabin Republicans didn't like him. hrmjustin May 2015 #60
I'm sure they didn't... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #62
Not our type of party. hrmjustin May 2015 #64
Not my kind of party, good God, no... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #67
Horrible they control things. hrmjustin May 2015 #84
Too much of the FL party hierarchy 1939 May 2015 #72
Good point. hrmjustin May 2015 #75
Are the populace of Florida really impressed with the comments from Rubio and Bush? If so, that still_one May 2015 #101
They are trying to "Anthony Weinerize" Alan Grayson. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #21
He's doing it to himself. He's a hypocrite and a phony cali May 2015 #35
All three of them have been outspoken against the ugliness of the 001%, whose bad behavior Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #38
bullpucky. I'll give it to the hapless Grayson that his voting record cali May 2015 #61
Besides Bernie then, cali, who lives up to that standard? Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #65
Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison,Zoe Lofgren, Peter deFazio cali May 2015 #103
An awesome list. I'd like to add Cynthia McKinney, the late Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #106
Hypnotize him into tweeting a picture of his cock to a college girl? Nye Bevan May 2015 #71
Yep. DSCC is after Grayson. They want recently Republican Pat Murphy. DirkGently May 2015 #34
Schumer is dead to me. DWS also. Enthusiast May 2015 #39
You mean shady business dealings... iandhr May 2015 #41
Exactly. Now you'll be scolded for telling the truth. nt 7962 May 2015 #83
...^ that 840high May 2015 #87
Sounds like DU on HRC MaggieD May 2015 #55
So what do you think about the OP? You happy to see Schumer stab Grayson in the back? rhett o rick May 2015 #108
I think it's the same thing DUers do MaggieD May 2015 #113
Well, I will be voting for Grayson, even if I have to write him in. To me, Murphy is not really a djean111 May 2015 #77
He beat David West DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #78
ThanksHa! My mistake - it was Allen West - Murphy was elected to the House of Representatives in djean111 May 2015 #89
lol@me DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #90
Now, that would be impressive! But I still don't like Murphy. djean111 May 2015 #91
My friend's grandmother was in Florida Hospital the same time Shaq's grandmother was... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #92
I never really saw Shaq up close, we had a 1/4 share in season tickets in the upper bowl. djean111 May 2015 #93
I had lower bowl seats for a Magic-Suns game in 09... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #94
Oh my. (fans self). Yes, we are off-topic, but thanks for indulging me, I love basketball. djean111 May 2015 #95
I happily used DSCC postage to send scathing reply to their donation letter today. ancianita May 2015 #85
He like Bernie Sanders offends the corrupt team players it disturbs orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #88
Time to start tossing neoliberal horses asses like Schumer out. 99Forever May 2015 #96
That guy is the worst. He's also guiding TPA/TPP through the Senate with deals and compromises... Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #97
Kick, rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #105
Green light on offshore accounts seveneyes May 2015 #112
Let me guess. You are not a fan of Rep Grayson. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #114
I'm a fan of having money to spend seveneyes May 2015 #115
What makes you think "it's all just peachy now"? If you are trying to implicate Rep rhett o rick May 2015 #116

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. I knew it. As soon as I saw this latest attack on Grayson that it was coming from somewhere
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:49 PM
May 2015

and we would find out before long, just where.

Doesn't surprise me at all to hear Schumer had a hand in it.

That moron needs to go, he is my Senator unfortunately and I am hoping he can be replaced with a Dem who actually represents his/her constituents.

Since he's been in elected office I don't believe he has ever responded to constituents even with a computer generated email.

He isn't fit, voting wise, to even be compared to Grayson.

I would love to see Grayson return to NY and take that seat away from Schumer.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
6. Its not just Grayson...
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:19 PM
May 2015
The DSCC in recent weeks did not hide its preference for Murphy. Will it dissuade Rep. Alan Grayson from entering the Democratic primary?

"Florida Democratic voters choose our party nominee, not out-of-touch party bosses sipping cognac in a smoke-filled room in Washington, DC.," Grayson tells the Tampa Bay Times in an email. "As I said before, I am probably going to run for the Senate."

And here is Susan Smith, president of the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Florida:

"Progressives are the heart and soul of the Democratic Party in Florida and across the nation. We are the volunteers who stuff envelopes, knock on doors, and provide the grassroots energy that powers successful Democratic campaigns.The idea that a senator from Montana and Wall Street Democrats know better than rank-and-file Florida Democrats is both patronizing and unsurprising. Then again, no one knows better than Jon Tester that DSCC support doesn't mean a whole lot.

"Florida Democrats are looking to support a progressive candidate who will lead on big, bold economic populist ideas, not another politician who will do Wall Street's bidding in Washington.

"I wish the DSCC would take a page from the Democratic National Committee's playbook. Last week when Bernie Sanders announced he was joining Hillary Clinton in running for president, the DNC wisely welcomed him to the race because they recognize that spirited primary debates are good for our party and our country."


http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/dscc-endorses-patrick-murphy-for-senate/2228224





sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. There is no way I would support Murphy over Grayson. So they can't take Grayson on on the issues,
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

and are now planning the old personal attack routine.

WE cannot allow that to work anymore. We KNOW this is their MO. I had a feeling there was more to this than met the eye. Wasn't aware of Schumer's involvement and support for Murphy.

Now I will do everything I can to help Grayson.

Because if Schumer wants a Wall St candidate, we KNOW we are better with Grayson.

Thanks for the links. I knew there was something very fishy about that POS article.

Go Grayson, and 'shitting robot' is too mild a term for what passes for our 'news media' these days. I admire his restraint.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
13. Grayson is doomed
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

You know, people are going to take what Grayson did here, along with the various other stunts hes pulled over the past 6 years, and they're not going to like what they see.
And on the issues? Murphy's actually closer to him on the issues than you think he is...and he has a much better record of getting stuff done. So Murphy can still win on this front.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. In your dreams. Sadly I should add, since he is far more progressive than Murphy and Schumer
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:05 PM
May 2015

combined.

People are on to these despicable smear campaigns now and they do not have the effect they used to have, in fact often these days they have the opposite effect.

Go Grayson!

And here in NY we will be working to replace Schumer with a Democrat who works for the people rather than his buddies on Wall ST.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
32. If he wasn't otherwise occupied, I wouldn't mind seeing Grayson return to NY and run against him
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015

here. NYers are pretty savvy, they know when a smear is a smear and their sensibilities are not as easily offended, or pretend offended by someone referring to a member of the Corporate media as a 'shitting robot'. That's more likely to endear Grayson to NYers than anything else.

But since he is running in Florida, we have a few good Dems in Congress in NY. Hinchley eg. He's never shown any inkling that he might run for the Senate, but I would support him over Schumer any day.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
40. I would not vote for Grayson in NY but Schumer does get on my nerves.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

But it might be good to keep him if he is going to be Senate leader.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. No, it would not be a good thing to keep him. He is not popular with his constituents, he is there
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:29 PM
May 2015

because as I said, fear that Repubs might win a NY seat in the Senate. But the times are changing and there is a movement growing to replace all these Corporate Dems with Dems who actually work for the people.

See deBlasio, no one thought he had a chance with his progressive message and years of Giuliani and Bloomberg, but the public is sick of these corporatists, including Schumer. And an unknown candidate seriously challenged Cuomo this time despite all his Corporate funding.

Change is in the air, and it's an exciting time. These corporate dems have been steadily losing their seats over the past number of years.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
48. I want the AG to challenge Cuomo.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:31 PM
May 2015

I like congresswoman Clark of Brooklyn. If she ran against schumer i would vote for her.

Historic NY

(40,006 posts)
98. Schumer not popular....you must be joking right...
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:54 PM
May 2015

U.S. Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand continue to enjoy steady approval ratings.

A majority of voters, 54%, rate the job U.S. Senator Charles Schumer is doing in office has either excellent or good. 41% of New Yorkers disapprove of his job performance including 27% who rate his performance as fair and 14% who rate it as poor. In March, 53% of voters gave him a positive score (Trend).

49% of voters give Kirsten Gillibrand either an excellent, 15%, or good, 34%, score for her work as U.S. Senator. 38% disapprove including 29% who say she is doing a fair job and 9% who rate her performance as poor. In March, her approval rating was 45% (Trend).

- See more at: http://maristpoll.marist.edu/tag/charles-schumer-approval-rating/#sthash.zVK7yoKj.dpuf

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
63. Schumer as Senate Leader makes me want to vomit. A Turd Way Wall Street Boot Licker.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:47 PM
May 2015

as the Senate Leader for Dems is a woefully horrific idea and quite a sham on the rank and file.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
66. Ok. i am not a fan either but he has a good point or two once in awhile.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015

And he is better than a Republican.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
68. Wouldn't you rather see someone in his position do a lot better than that?
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:54 PM
May 2015

I'm dead serious. These Wall Street Butt Lickers need to go! All of them! D's n R's !

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
69. Conflicted. i personally would have preferred to see Durbin there but he can bring
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:56 PM
May 2015

more money back to NY in this position.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
73. Would be better..
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:06 PM
May 2015

I wish Schumer would be replaced by a real Liberal/Progressive as Senator, if wishes were fishes and all that.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
80. nope. the system has it pretty rigged for a long long stay. unfortunately.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
May 2015

and any replacement would be just another wall street butt licker.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
107. "he is better than a Republican" that's the Third Way manipulation.
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:53 AM
May 2015

Run a conservative Democrat and sell them as "better than a republicon." The child poverty rate is climbing yearly and will continue unless people figure out they are being manipulated into accepting it because it could be worse. Just how bad must it get for our children before you decide it's time to stop settling for "better than a republicon."???

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
111. I can think for myself you know.
Sun May 17, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sun May 17, 2015, 01:32 PM - Edit history (1)

The third way did not manipulate me.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
79. That would be hilarious. Schumer would destroy him.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
May 2015

Plus, you know the most dangerous place to be is between Schumer and a camera

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
27. So there is no sense in trying.....
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:09 PM
May 2015

might as well go home now.





just in case it's needed.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
42. Yes
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

To answer your second question...I think Murphy will win the primary. I don't see Grayson as being able to really able to articulate his message all that well after what just happened - he doesn't seem to know how to really conduct himself in front of a statewide crowd. Many Florida Democrats - myself included - believe that Grayson doesn't stand a chance of winning a statewide election, which is why we're going with Murphy, the proven winner.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
51. I mean i worry he does not come accross well to the voters.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:34 PM
May 2015

His message gets buried because his personality is what gets coverage.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
54. Exactly
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

This is the main reason why I believe Grayson will likely fail. This recent episode shows that he's not really used to working outside of his bubble and appealing to everyone across the state. If he can't answer a simple question in a normal matter, he's not ready for prime-time.
In fact, that happened in 2010, where he lost his district by 18 points. Alex Sink, the nominee for governor, lost that same district by only 1 point.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
57. Yeah i remember his loss. it was a heartbreaker.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:40 PM
May 2015

I lost my VA Democratic congressman that year here in NY.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
70. "What Grayson did here"?!?
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:56 PM
May 2015

What do you imagine he did here that anyone should care about? It's becoming fairly clear that you work for the Murphy campaign in some capacity, or are otherwise close to him, so forgive me if I take your posts with a giant block of salt.

BTW in case this gets juried, my belief that naoya is close to the Murphy campaign is based on a simple Google search of the username. Feel free to do the same and draw your own conclusions.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
74. Where to begin...
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:07 PM
May 2015

For one...I admit that I'm pro-Murphy. However, I'm nothing more than a mere supporter.
For two...Grayson was the guy who railed against people who had offshore accounts. Turns out he had them too. Bit of a hypocrite much.
For three...how he reacted to the reply is pretty telling. You don't see Senators swearing at reporters over a simple question. It's not going to go over well with normal voters.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
99. And... you've said nothing
Sun May 17, 2015, 01:17 AM
May 2015

1) I don't really care if you are an ardent Murphy supporter or his campaign manager. Either way, you are clearly biased and unobjective.

2) Grayson railed against people who used offshore accounts TO AVOID PAYING TAXES. Grayson did no such thing. The account was set up for potential foreign investors who would never be subject to US taxes, and in any event was never used.

3) When a reporter clearly intends to publish a hit piece on YOU, it'll be interesting to see how polite you are to them. I wouldn't imagine you'd react any better than Grayson did.

You are attempting to make a nothing into a something in order to promote your candidate. I find that to be contemptible. If your candidate is as superior as you believe the unadulterated truth should be enough. If it isn't, maybe you are backing the wrong guy.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
100. Is that the best you can do?
Sun May 17, 2015, 01:41 AM
May 2015

You know...you're doing the same thing as him right now. Resorting to personal attacks, instead of responding reasonably to my criticisms.

1) Your claims of me having an biased point of view doesn't really matter that much when you yourself have a Grayson bias. If you can't respond to my criticisms without resorting to this, then you lose.
Oh and by the way? The reporter was unaffiliated. So...this will become an issue outside of both political camps. Deny it all you want, but it's the truth.
2) Still doesn't change the fact that it's a offshore account. In fact, Canary Islands is the same tax haven Romney used.
3) Sorry to inform you, but several politicians get asked these kinds of questions every day. They always have an appropriate response for these types of questions...you don't see them swearing.

And it's my regret to inform you that the damage has already been done. This put a big dent in Grayson's credibility and will return to haunt him should he run. There are already people who have abandoned Grayson because of this episode.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
102. Murphy voted for Romney in 2012
Sun May 17, 2015, 02:36 AM
May 2015

He is still very republican. The fact that they try to pass him off as a dem is a joke to anyone sensible, so they are trying to swiftboat Grayson.

Yes those dems that root for Murphy over Grayson are outing themselves as closet Republicans that don't belong in the Democratic party.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
110. Schumer sucks
Sun May 17, 2015, 10:07 AM
May 2015

I remember when it happened but for the life of me can't find a link to it but it was schumer who gave us rupert murdock which led to the fox noize trash.
Prior to this a foreigner could not own a news organization and schumer slipped a rider in a bill that was being voted on the next morning that had nothing to do with citizenship but that gave murdock natural citizenship rights. hence we now have fox noize. I'm not sure I'm stating this correctly as I get pissed when I see schumers name but the info is out there for someone with more better googling skills than me to find

Schumer sucks

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. Btw, this isn't the first time Schumer has has a hand in going after a progressive candidate, in
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:01 PM
May 2015

order to get one of his Wall St stooges elected.

So, THIS is the answer to a question I have been asking for a long time regarding WHO is picking the candidates we are being presented with?


But power in Congress is in the hands of Wall Street-owned shills like Chuck Schumer and Steve Israel who will never take the side of their own constituents over the interests of the big Wall Street banksters.

That helps explain why Schumer hand-picks Wall Street-owned hacks like Patrick Murphy (FL) and Ted Strickland (OH) to run for Senate seats and why Israel is always finding opportunistic Republicans to "switch" parties and run as though they were Democrats (the way Murphy did and they way Michael Derrick is trying to do in New York's North Country). Schumer and Israel are responsible for bringing in cash from the crooked banksters, and the crooked banksters are freaking out over Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders and warning the Beltway power brokers that they're going to cut the DSCC and DCCC off.


I was told that the people chose Hillary eg.

I KNOW the people chose Bernie Sanders, we asked him to run.

It is so true that Schumer will take the side of Wall St Banksters over his constituents any time such a choice arises.



 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Way to go Chuckie Boy,
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:05 PM
May 2015

now we know were the Enemy lies,and it is you Mr. Shumer. Just doing the dirty work for your Bud's on Wall Street. The go to guy for attacking Senator Warren.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. We now know most Democratic Senators and Congressmen monitor
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

DU. Even certain Rethugs follow our comments. We do make a difference as long as we keep up with constructive comments and input suggestions. Remember,there are boiler rooms set up to monitor and troll us 24/7. The Rethugs have been at this for many years.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
29. If these folks can take the heat,get to hell out of
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:12 PM
May 2015

kitchen. Yes,many will blow comments off,but hey,when the voters show them the door,it's a different story. Just ask Russ Fiengold after he tacked to the right during his campaign.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
4. No proof
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:13 PM
May 2015

This all seems like its a desperate attempt to defend Grayson after what happened.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
11. Well...
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

The source of the article itself is very questionable. This is a blog, so anyone can write up whatever story they want. Where's the proof?
And also? There's the matter in which Grayson handled himself - where he flipped out at the reporter - that suggests that he's not ready for prime time.
Ah, there was also a Politico article recently too. If that is to be believed, apparently Grayson compared Murphy "to a piece of excrement" and swore at Tester. Doesn't exactly add credibility to Grayson's side of the story if its true.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Except Schumer has a reputation for doing this kind of thing when a Progressive is running against
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

a Wall St candidate.

Time for Schumer to go, he doesn't care one bit about his constituents, as one of them, I can attest to that.

Met him once, he's one of the few Dems those of us who met him had a visceral reaction to.

Nasty, egotistical, arrogant, and thinks he's above the rest of us.

Didn't like him then, before he was a Senator, but he benefited from the 'fear of Bush' at the time. Not so anymore. I hope his days are numbered in the Senate.

naoya6161

(147 posts)
45. Remember, Grayson apparently swore at Tester
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:29 PM
May 2015

That would fit in with a lot of the nutty behavior Grayson's been doing as of late. And it was after that conference call that Tester decided to support Murphy.
Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometime, it's just people doing their job.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
9. Is Patrick Murphy (FL) a Third Way Choice?...
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
May 2015
In 2012 Murphy moved from Fort Lauderdale to Jupiter and ran for the 18th congressional district.[8] Murphy claims he was so taken aback by some of the things Republican incumbent Representative Allen West was saying in Congress and on television that he felt compelled to run against him.[5] As a result, he took the campaign strategy of selling himself as a West alternative.[9] Murphy was supported by Florida's former Republican Governor Charlie Crist and former Democratic President Bill Clinton, along with Republican Sheriff of Martin County Bob Crowder, who ran against West in the primaries.[10][11] The race was among the most expensive congressional races in 2012,[12] and called one of the ugliest in the 2012 campaign, as well as one of the closest.[13]


Murphy was a member of the Republican Party, donating the maximum individual contribution of $2,300 to Mitt Romney's 2008 presidential campaign and $4,800 to other Republican candidates, until four months prior to announcing his candidacy for Congress, at which time he switched his registration to the Democratic Party and donated $4,000 to a variety of Democratic candidates.[20] He says he switched from being a Republican and a Mitt Romney supporter because of his disgust with the Tea Party movement.[20] Murphy was described in The Huffington Post as a "pro-choice, pro-LGBT rights but 'not ultra-liberal' Democrat who values fiscal responsibility."[5] The top five contributors to Murphy's campaign committee for the 2013-2014 time period were his family's construction company, Deloitte, Suntech Plumbing, Goldman Sachs, and J Street PAC.[21]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Murphy_(Florida_politician)
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. Sorry, no. this minimizes what Grayson did. Schumer's ugly oppo research aside
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
May 2015

there is no reason to set up hedge funds in the Cayman Islands but to limit tax liability and make money by helping other investors limit their tax liabiliity.

The author wasn't there but he claims that Grayson "undoubtedly tried to explain"....? That's piss poor journalism right there.

Grayson repeatedly attacks others for the EXACT same thing he is done. Precisely the same. And this?

"Both the SEC and the IRS have approved this setup, because it prevents foreign investors, charities and others who were never intended to be taxed in the United States from inadvertently getting tangled up in IRS bureaucracy, when they don’t owe any taxes under US law."

What a crock. These are loopholes- loopholes that Grayson advocates closing. And if someone doesn't owe taxes under U.S. law, it's crap to say that they need to shield that income.

What Grayson is doing may not be illegal but it's sleazy as hell. If he didn't intend to solicit any foreign investors why the fuck set this up in the first place?

There's more, but what I want to know is if Grayson is the titular manager of these funds.

I think Grayson is just another John Edwards phony. I was right about JE and got endless shit for it here.

The author of this piece does nothing to make Grayson look any better because there is no way to make these actions look anything but hypocritical and sleazy.

http://www.epi.org/publication/pm120/


Historic NY

(40,006 posts)
104. Exactly, Grayson wasn't adverse to going full blown...
Sun May 17, 2015, 06:15 AM
May 2015

sleazy on his adversary during his campaign.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. This is what primaries are for.
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

I don't like Dems attacking dems and I hope whatever is said is done with fact and not Bull.

But primaries are designed to get this stuff aired out.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
17. If Rubio doesn't get the presidential nomination and runs for re-election he's a shoo-in...
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

He will beat Grayson, Wasserman -Schultz, Murphy, whomever... That's how Florida rolls...

I actually hope Grayson gets the nomination because then we will be spared the diatribes over how so called centrist Democrats lose elections...

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
19. Then I would call it a toss up...
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:54 PM
May 2015

And since it's a presidential year when more people vote that helps us but that seat was Rubio's to lose...

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
22. As do I but neither can beat Rubio...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:00 PM
May 2015

The fact that Bill Nelson is the only elected statewide Democratic officeholder suggests to an unbiased person what type of Democrat does well there ... And the fact that Bob Graham, Bill Nelson, and Lawton Chiles are the only Democrats to be elected to statewide office in the recent past gives a person some idea of the Democratic candidates all of Florida voters will support.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
23. It is a tough state but with HRC at the top she can pull the Senate nominee over the finish line.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:01 PM
May 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
24. Hopefully but If Bush lll or Rubio are on the top of the ticket it's going to be painfully close...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

Maybe we will get Walker, fingers crossed!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
31. I lived in FL from 70-012, from the time I was a young boy.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

I don't understand why Buddy Dyer, the mayor Of Orlando, never aspired to higher office.

Alan Grayson would be a long shot.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
37. I am biased but I thought he was/is a great mayor
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

He also is the the type of Democrat who does well in Florida statewide. Kind of a left of center populist good old boy.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
52. I would feel better if Murphy wasn't a former Republican
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:35 PM
May 2015

I would feel better if Murphy wasn't a former Republican or his conversion wasn't of such recent vintage.

But he deserves a medal for ridding us of Alan West. I lived in Fort Lauderdale the summer of 010 and watched his campaign unfurl. I thought he was a joke.


DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
56. It was funny watching his campaign first hand...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:40 PM
May 2015

His supporters would stand on major intersections waving Israeli and American flags...


I like L A but I miss FL so much...I would commute back and forth between Central and South Florida.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
58. West was not able to go off script and I remember he didn't want the Democratic votes counted.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:41 PM
May 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
59. He also alienated the glbt community, not that they were inclined to support him in the first place.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

Much of his district is Fort Lauderdale and Fort Lauderdale is a fairly liberal city...

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
62. I'm sure they didn't...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:47 PM
May 2015

He is/was very conservative but so is the whole damn party except for the two Maine Republican senators who aren't all that liberal either.


DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
67. Not my kind of party, good God, no...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:53 PM
May 2015

But they are at the apex of their strength from the state houses to the House Of Representatives to the Senate...The executive branch is the only thing keeping the barbarians at the gate...


That's the only thing I don't miss about Florida; Republican domination...

1939

(1,683 posts)
72. Too much of the FL party hierarchy
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:04 PM
May 2015

think that GOTV means sending buses to condos full of retired New Yorkers and schlepping them to the polls.

During the 2004 election, the Broward County Democratic Party HQ and the Kerry campaign HQ were miles apart and never talked.

When I went to vote in 2004, the Republican candidates and their party hierarchy were there at the polls pressing flesh and saying "thank you for coming out to vote". An hour after the polls opened, Michael Moore's twin sister showed up with a 1' x 1" x 48" stick with bumper stickers for the various Democratic candidates stapled to it and sat off to the side waving it.

Gotta get organized!

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
101. Are the populace of Florida really impressed with the comments from Rubio and Bush? If so, that
Sun May 17, 2015, 02:15 AM
May 2015

really says volumes about the state, because those comments indicate that these two are some of the dumbest people around. Rick Perry used to have that title pretty exclusively, but I think we have the new Three Stooges

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
35. He's doing it to himself. He's a hypocrite and a phony
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:21 PM
May 2015

and he can't handle pressure at all. Not to mention that he doesn't have enough self-control to fill a thimble. And Weiner did it to himself.

Grayson reminds me of John Edwards.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
38. All three of them have been outspoken against the ugliness of the 001%, whose bad behavior
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

far far far exceeds anything wrong the three have done combined.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
61. bullpucky. I'll give it to the hapless Grayson that his voting record
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
May 2015

(in general) dovetails with his rhetoric. Edwards' 2004 and 2004 sure didn't match his record- voted for a lot of crap that hurt the poor and middle class.

And if you actually want to help people, you have to have a modicum of self-control. None of these guy did. Bunch of narcissistic, self-promoting phonies.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
106. An awesome list. I'd like to add Cynthia McKinney, the late Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich...
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

They're not representing anymore though.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
71. Hypnotize him into tweeting a picture of his cock to a college girl?
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015

There is no end to their evil.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
34. Yep. DSCC is after Grayson. They want recently Republican Pat Murphy.
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:20 PM
May 2015

That said, Grayson has GOT to stop losing his mind when he gets irritated with people. Granted, "shitting robot" was kind of funny -- not a cliche, at least.

I understand Grayson has agreed to let press people do what they're hired for, and not talk to every tiny water-carrying blogger about everything himself.

Carry on, Congressman. Just uh ... be a little calmer, maybe?

He's still got my vote, whether he stays in the House or tries for the Senate vs. the Powers that Be.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
41. You mean shady business dealings...
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 16, 2015, 07:41 PM - Edit history (2)

... In the Cayman Islands? How we goes after Republicans for all those offshore tax stuff but he is doing the same activities. He goes after Republicans for all those offshore tax stuff but he is doing the same activities. Hypocrisy matters. Even if it's by a friend

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
108. So what do you think about the OP? You happy to see Schumer stab Grayson in the back?
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

The Conservative Wing of the DEmocratic Party don't like progressives and will do anything to smear them.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
77. Well, I will be voting for Grayson, even if I have to write him in. To me, Murphy is not really a
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:09 PM
May 2015

Democrat. Something funny! People were spewing shit about Warren turning Democrat in 1996, almost 20 years ago, saying oh, she is not a REAL Democrat, and other bullshit - but Murphy switched to Democrat in 2010, only because he felt he could beat Cornel West in a heavily GOP district, and now Murphy is touted as a liberal - even though he belongs to that New Democrat Coalition - dedicated to working their third way little hearts out with the GOP.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
78. He beat David West
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:11 PM
May 2015
"only because he felt he could beat Cornel West in a heavily GOP district, and now Murphy is touted as a liberal - even though he belongs to that New Democrat Coalition."



Cornel West is the academic.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
89. ThanksHa! My mistake - it was Allen West - Murphy was elected to the House of Representatives in
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015
2012, defeating Republican incumbent Allen West by 0.8% in the most expensive U.S. House race in history
He switched from GOP to Dem in 2011. And it seems like the same people who question Warren's switch are all okay with Murphy's QUITE recent switch - 4 or 5 years as compared to Warren's almost 20. Strange, huh.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
91. Now, that would be impressive! But I still don't like Murphy.
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:42 PM
May 2015

Sniff. I miss the days when I went to Orlando Magic games and watched Shaq and Penny.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
92. My friend's grandmother was in Florida Hospital the same time Shaq's grandmother was...
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
May 2015

He saw him there a couple of times...


I used to work out at the RDV Sportsplex and saw Marcin Gortat, Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis, and Mickaël Piétrus there...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
93. I never really saw Shaq up close, we had a 1/4 share in season tickets in the upper bowl.
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:01 PM
May 2015

Good seats, really, we could see the game a lot better. Sat in someone's 1st row floor seats for half a game. Could not see the game very well, but damn, what a fine view of the players.

Rode in an elevator down to the parking garage at the Executive House Hotel in Chicago once. Me and my boyfriend, and five or six Chicago Bulls. Quite intimidating.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
94. I had lower bowl seats for a Magic-Suns game in 09...
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:04 PM
May 2015

The seats were in the row right after the seats with the folding chairs. I must have been twenty feet away...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
95. Oh my. (fans self). Yes, we are off-topic, but thanks for indulging me, I love basketball.
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:09 PM
May 2015

ancianita

(43,303 posts)
85. I happily used DSCC postage to send scathing reply to their donation letter today.
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
May 2015

Cowardly Schumer and DSCC lackey, John Tester, had the gall to get Obama to sign a donation request letter from the DSCC to me. Ask ME for money? After all the TPP games? Schumer, Tester and the rest of their 'special-kind-of-stupid' friends in the DSCC and Wall St. can go suck it.

Maybe, after all their running from him, he's helping them out because he's planning to move to New York after his term's up. Ugh.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
88. He like Bernie Sanders offends the corrupt team players it disturbs
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:57 PM
May 2015

the continuity among bipartisan thieves .

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
96. Time to start tossing neoliberal horses asses like Schumer out.
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:16 PM
May 2015

No more phony fucking Democrats allowed.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
97. That guy is the worst. He's also guiding TPA/TPP through the Senate with deals and compromises...
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:45 PM
May 2015

A Wall Street toady all the way.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
115. I'm a fan of having money to spend
Sun May 17, 2015, 01:31 PM
May 2015

If it's all just peachy now to have an offshore account then perhaps we should all have one or more.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
116. What makes you think "it's all just peachy now"? If you are trying to implicate Rep
Sun May 17, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

Grayson you've failed. He hasn't done anything illegal, immoral or even unusual. If he actually avoids paying taxes, then make that case.

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