Voter fraud is mathematically irrelevant

[Panich52]

Voter fraud is mathematically irrelevant

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stupidpartymathvmyth.com - Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times...



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Yet Repubs have successfully convinced their base (and maybe others) that the sanctity of the vote is secured by proper ID. It is forgotten that utility bills and other such docs used in the past were quite sufficient. Bigotry, racism, and xenophobia are used to fire up the base into thinking millions of undocumented immigrants and Af-Ams rush to the polls. And, of course, they vote Democratic.

But the truth us that Repubs' ggerrymandering doesn't satisfy their wholly undemocratic power grab. They fear democracy. And use fear-mongering in an Orwellian travesty of our founding principles.

[Cassidy1]

1. It's tired already

Yes the old way worked and still works fine. People keep looking for all these dumb examples of dead people voting, but never show where that influenced an election. Ever.

Of course, there still has to be a process and some type of verification. The phone, utility, etc. bills and the signature that I've done look good enough for me. I would still discourage any type of voter fraud though, especially in the age of electronics. Voting machines and the process will change, especially with absentee voting. I would impose even harsher penalties if someone tries to exploit this. I think police are also a great deterrent. I have seen where those cardboard cut-outs of police discourage shoplifters. Why not have police at random spots on election day? It would act as a deterrent. Also politics seems to be more contentious nowadays, so it would not hurt to have large, uniformed presence in larger cities at the polls. They are out and about anyway, so it would not matter where they are. It's always best to have potential crowd control with any large crowds though.

[shraby]

2. We had a policeman stationed at the polls one year recently and I was

very uncomfortable with it. It suggests much more than security. People have not known to be disruptive at the polls, except sometimes the observers get out of hand and they can easily be put back into line.
We as a country have a history of peaceful voting. No cops needed.

[Cassidy1]

6. I'm not saying it's been a problem,

but politics can be very divisive. You never know. Not sure why a person would be uncomfortable if that person not doing anything wrong. I'd rather have them there for safety. Better safe than sorry.

[Exilednight]

8. I've had a different experience. When I lived in PA I went to

Vote and there was a group just beyond the perimeter with signs that read things like "show ID! It's the law!" When it clearly wasn't at the time.

It's a form of voter intimidation. If I had it my way, there would be lobbying or campaigning with a mile of a polling station.

[JaneyVee]

3. No one is waiting 3 hours in line to cast one insignificant vote.

And certainly won't find enough to sway an election.

[Gothmog]

4. Voter id laws only stop one form of fraud

Voter id laws only stop one type of voter fraud which is in person voter impersonation which is a type of fraud that is very very rare

[1939]

7. Growing up in Detroit

voting tombstones was normal electioneering.

In Florida, we have more of a problem with people registered here and in another state voting in both states.

[Gothmog]

10. That is absentee ballot fraud which would not be prevented by voter id laws

The GOP will not regulate or restrict absentee ballot fraud because the GOP is good at this time of fraud and due to the fact that significant percentage of the GOP base is old and vote by mail. No one is impersonating a dead person at a ballot place but the deam may vote by absentee ballot.

[MineralMan]

5. Voluntary non-voting is mathematically very relevant.

That has affected many, many elections.

[former9thward]

9. There was voter fraud charged in the recent Chicago election.

Two Democrats running for the 10th ward, Pope and Garza, both charged fraud from the other side. A lawsuit was filed with about 60 specific examples of voters voting who live in Indiana and voters being denied the right to vote. The election was won by 20 votes out of about 11,000. Voter fraud can happen.

[Gothmog]

11. Again, that is not the type of fraud that would be stop by voter id laws

Registration fraud and voting in multiple locations would not not be stopped by voter id law. In Texas when a person votes in two location, that voter usually votes in person at one location and by absentee ballot at the other location. We had a case like this in my county and it was not prosecuted http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014262948

[2banon]

12. Right. It's Election Engineering Fraud that is relevant.

but no one's talking about that anymore.