This Upcoming Democratic Campaign

[mylye2222]

Will be a DLC/Third Way decided, set up one.
I really do begin to think the "primary votes" results are already there and this is an overhelming HRC victory.

Sanders becomes more and more popular yet polls keep saying HRC is ultra winner.
Both Clintons are under money -related controversies yet they are still unaffected by it.
Why?
Because all that matter is name recognition, no matter what you have to offer.
And more over it is the networks. And Hillary Clinton has the best network a politician can have. Her network controls Dem powerstructure. Her network knows the biggest donors. I even di wonder if some Clinton people are behind some ultra favorable polls that might be "staged"
I am really afraid Bernie and O'Malley or others are just here, in a kind of "figuratives" roles.

[fredamae]

1. Please don't rely upon "polling"

Corporations are scared of Bernie. The status quo are scared of Bernie. If we, by majority VOTE For Bernie across the country....then what will the polls say? Will corporate media continue to ignore the obvious you stated
"Sanders becomes more and more popular yet polls keep saying HRC is ultra winner."?
What you said is way more reflective of "us" than the poll(s) you refer to
Polls are only as reliable as the person/group who commissions and pays for them is honest.

[MineralMan]

13. No, they're not afraid of Bernie.

Not at all. If it looked like he could win, they might be, but they don't think he will. They're sure he won't, in fact. Are they wrong? I doubt it, unfortunately.

[fredamae]

14. I understand the skepticism

However I believe Bernie is electable. Losing in the primary so many years ago did not mean HRC was unelectable. I believe Bernie can win on the merits of his platform and with the support of those on the other side who also care about the "meat and potato" issues.

All I know for certain is that I, my family & friends...are All voting for and donating to Bernie. And at least at this juncture.......That isn't a shrinking market...it's expanding.

It may be that Bernie loses the primary...but that doesn't mean he's "unelectable".
At the end of the day..no one will know for certain until the day after the primary.

[cascadiance]

2. Polls are polls... Reality has shown often to be different as happened last time...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. She has a fifty point lead this time

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary



I have seen football and basketball teams cough upm twenty point leads but never fifty point leads and I have been watching sports for damn near forty years, same with politicians in nat'l races.

[cascadiance]

7. But that doesn't mean it's any more right than earlier polls did...

Obama in fact gave a big speech that was talked a lot about at the Democratic Party convention that was almost "annointing" him as a candidate of the future before that election, that Bernie Sanders hasn't had the benefit of having, especially not being member of the Democratic Party.

And look at your own poll and look at which candidate has moved the most upward towards the end of it... Ask yourself what might happen if that trend continues. And look at how fast Obama took the lead from Hilary in 2008 too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Barack Obama was sui generis...

There really isn't a need for me to elaborate...His amazing political career speaks for itself...

[cascadiance]

10. And some would say that Bernie Sanders as the only Democratic Socialist independent senator...

... also can be described as "sui generis" as well!

In fact as far as being a politician and not his personal physical qualities, I would say he's more "sui generis" than Obama was.

Barack Obama's less political "sui generis" and emphasis on that term in other areas is likely why his corporate buddies are counting on him to use that distraction to pass TPP, which is anything BUT "sui generis" in today's corporatist dominated government that we have now. Obama's just going with the crowd there, not challenging it the way Americans who care about each other want to have happen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I was speaking to his political talent...

He was telegenic, charismatic, vibrant, and had a young family...There were folks who would have walked over hot coals to vote for him. He was evocative of John Kennedy sans the war hero status. He also raised a ton of money and matched Hillary dollar for dollar.

....


What if he really believes the TPP is in America's interest ? I find it hard to believe in his heart and mind he wants to screw us.

[cascadiance]

12. If he really believes in TPP honestly, then why doesn't he HONESTLY want to keep it secret from us!

... and have legislation to get it passed without what founders wanted for us to follow in terms of procedures to get collective support for such a TREATY that Fast Track tries to bypass?

And WHY do you just want to "trust" him without having anything to know whether you should really trust him or not.

Do you think we should have "trusted" him more to arrest and prosecute banksters more than Reagan did with the Savings and Loan crisis? Answer? NO in my book, because he HASN'T done so, and has an administration that stands in the way of prosecuting the 1% instead of putting them in prison to join the world record numbers of inmates we have for the rest of our population.

He's given me a history to not trust everything he does. He gives us some "meat" to chew on for issues that his backers don't care about, like LGBT rights, etc., but nothing that reverses the fundamental issues of what has destroyed our economy and the middle class.

He's provided us Obamacare which helps give health care to those who can't afford it. I'll give him that and am thankful for that, but didn't even TRY to put forth a public option or single payer to help bring down the cost of this, which ultimately the right will go after to try and reverse that legislation, instead of taking the parasitic leeches of health insurance companies out of the system, that he doesn't seem to want to do, and is probably told he shouldn't do to protect his existence the same way others are "telling" him what to do on the TPP.

[LWolf]

4. I don't participate in,

nor support, DLC/Third way/neo-liberal campaigns. Campaigns looking to me for support should bear that in mind.

[onehandle]

5. Fear! Fear! Fear!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. ...

[Electric Monk]

9. Wa wa waaaa....

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. I remember when Republicans did not like the poll results and created their own

that projected a win by Romney.

Last I saw, all that pooh poohing of polls by Republicans was just so much wishful thinking.

I see polls as being the same as a snapshot of the view through the open window of a car on the highway. The picture early in the drive may be very different from that at the end. Taken together, scientific polls provide an accurate portrayal of trends over time.

Right now, a snapshot at the careening election bus shows Secretary of State Clinton ahead. I look forward to future polls to see where the trend leads.

One other thing. We should not confuse Senator Sander's popularity here at DU with the current reality.